Are there any young, expensive QBs you'd be interested in?

we need to do a show soon to look across the QB landscape, college, FA and possible trade market for 2025.

can't get Murray or Lawrence.

it's boarder line impossible with DJ on the books for at least another year.

I have my eyes on is Sam Darnold but only if he finishes the season strong.

Lawrence has been underwhelming, is insanely expensive on contract, cap hit, cost to acquire and Jags are going to give it another go with a coaching staff.

The others are not good enough and just as much a gamble as drafting a QB.

I think he could be a good “change of scenery” prospect. He has to be better than he’s played over the last year+. I don’t think Jax is ready to move on from him, or what it would cost if they were, but if Daboll is the QB whisperer his reputation says he is, TL would be a great litmus test for him.

I’m not sold on Murray, given his size and inconsistency.

Aren't worth throwing big money at. If Carolina offers us a pick swap of 6th and 7th rounders, I'll take a chance on Bryce Young.

Lawrence's career arc is tremendously similar to Jones so he's a hard no for any type of decent cost and Murray isn't the locker room presence I want.

In comment 16650964 Jay on the Island said:

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I have my eyes on is Sam Darnold but only if he finishes the season strong.

Why? If he finishes strong he will get a large contract. Why would we assume he can handle NY and take on that risk? Shouldn’t we have learned our lesson on having 1 plus year of production vs several poor years of a track record?

I think Daboll could do good things with Trevor Lawrence. Maybe turn him into the star he was expected to be.
Not sure if there is a reasonable path to trading for him but he’s the only one I feel good about the risk/ reward possibility.

1998 into 1999 to be exact. Third or fourth year head coach coming off a younger QB that struggled and was eventually released or jettisoned. 99 they signed Kerry Collins.

And instead go the vet QB route via either trade or free agency.

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And instead go the vet QB route via either trade or free agency.

I actually think vet is more likely. The perfect comp is Kerry Collins. I think that's the thought process.

Anybody any good is not going to be available. Jacoby Brissett - lol - watch the tape this season with Pats - it's ugly. Joe Flacco at 40?

There's a really good chance if Darnold holds up, the Vikes just tag him for one year.

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Anybody any good is not going to be available. Jacoby Brissett - lol - watch the tape this season with Pats - it's ugly. Joe Flacco at 40? There's a really good chance if Darnold holds up, the Vikes just tag him for one year.

Cousins & Stafford could be available and viewed as a 2-3 year solution via trade.

but WHY ?? He has been awful. He plays more like a UDFA than a number one overall .

is not going to get a slow-walk 5 year window while they struggle to find another QB and maybe struggle to 7 or 8 wins multiple years.

They're taking a QB this year whether it's in Round 1 or 2.

I would be interested in. Both those guys have talent and have flashed ability to play at a high level. There is something in there with both of them. Not guaranteed, not even close, but a chance.

Young is a camp arm until proven otherwise. I know the Panthers aren't on a lot of big TV windows, but I'd suggest people take a look at his "highlights" - the guy looks like a little kid crying to play QB in the NFL. Legit one of the worst QBs I've ever seen in the league.

In comment 16650987 Sean said:

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In comment 16650985 Sammo85 said: Quote: Anybody any good is not going to be available. Jacoby Brissett - lol - watch the tape this season with Pats - it's ugly. Joe Flacco at 40? There's a really good chance if Darnold holds up, the Vikes just tag him for one year. Cousins & Stafford could be available and viewed as a 2-3 year solution via trade.

We'd have to trade assets (we need in picks) for these guys and absorb massive short term salary hits. Stafford is close to retiring (there's rumors he's already mulling it). Cousins is immobile and knows he needs warm weather/indoor games to play on a fast track.

in the NFL. So, no interest in Murray or Young (especially Young). I still think Lawrence might be good and he could get saved by Belichick or Vrabel. He's going nowhere.

Let's hit the draft.

or make a move for Darnold.

The young bucks with huge contracts have been super disappointing, and we're already living there.

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can't get Murray or Lawrence. it's boarder line impossible with DJ on the books for at least another year.

Lawrence's salary for next year is $2M, Murray is $18M, it would be extremely easy to make those work.

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And instead go the vet QB route via either trade or free agency.

I think this is highly likely. Especially since we seem to have a "win now" roster, outside of QB

will be available at this point. I would look into Young. I think a lot of it depends on who the HC is which is a TBD imv.

It seems teams are moving on from QB's faster today and it will be interesting seeing how many find success elsewhere.

or maybe even Mac Jones on this roster over DJ and Lock. Heck, Flacco would be a huge upgrade.

But I’m concerned that if we can’t land a top qb in the draft, we’re going to trot out the likes of Russell Wilson.

and if the Jags wanted to get out of his contract taking on DJs would save them money over the long-term because they can cut DJ at the end of this year whereas Lawerence's contract as an out in 2029 where he can be cut with zero cap hit. He's then scheduled to earn 50 million in 2029 and 53 million in 2030.

I never wrote a post because I concluded instead of taking on Lawerence's contract that gets more and more expensive as the decade moves on, the Giants could just cut Jones after this season for way less of a commitment.

Murray would be intriguing. Sort of reminds me of Fran Tarkenton...keeping you in the game, making things exciting. Think he has an "it" factor. In that respect, we made a blunder not picking up Baker Mayfield a few years ago -- another guy with "it", though mistake prone (which could be coached out). Other names I would explore would be backups on teams with a young, expensive starter. Cooper Rush? Browning in Cincy? This should not preclude us from drafting a QB and letting them grow into the job. I would shy away from the Flacco's, Dalton's and the like. They have had their time. While arm strength and mobility are right up there, I value "smarts" and a "feel" for what the defences are doing as top attributes, as well.

Because the last six years have been a barren landscape of crap, crap, crap and more crap at the position.

But who knows what JS will do regarding a QB. If he was picking WR he should have signed Wilson with an open competition to start. If he was picking QB he should have picked Penix or McCarthy. Both would easily be at the top of next years draft .

A QB round 1 or 2 is if the vet is a Cousins to Minnesota caliber player. Otherwise you’re just wasting time.

Too much talent he showed at college level not to have some value at NFL level. He needs a change of venue.

sought after, and for good reason.

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sought after, and for good reason.

It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play.

Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.

is a great concept... until the draft rolls around, and the pickings are forecast to be slim, a reach, or a flier.

Going after a vet could look enticing the day after game 17.

As for the OP question, just say no to any expensive contracts that involve significant risk on payoff.

A step behind on the position as per usual going back to 2017.

Lawrence's cap hits aren't actually that bad, you just are committed to him for 3 seasons from 2025-2027. He seems like a good scenery change reclaimation candidate.

Murray could also be workable. For 2025, you'd be looking at 45 million plus the 22 million dead cap for Jones. Ironically, Gettleman's failures in 2021 draft means the Giants don't really have any urgent re-signing needs this offseason unless they wanted keep Ojulari, so maybe they could absorb that hit? Aftert 2025, there's an out in Murray's contract.

But like BW said, I don't love Murray, he's got an entirely different set of limitations compared to Jones and his record isn't great.

buying in to Sam Darnold suddenly being "good". The Vikings are firing on all cylinders but this is Sam Darnold's 4th team and 6th head coach. Come on guys...

With how many gaps we have, why on earth would we want to spend a lot of money on an average QB? I am so sick of these conversations. DJ is a bust and overpaid. We are stuck until he is off the team. Then what? You want to sign a journeyman QB for 20mil a year and bounce between QB's for 10 years?

You have to build from the draft and hit on a QB. With the low salary and cap hit, you can build the rest of your team during their rookie contract and continue building depth and getting better. It's really that simple.

In comment 16651052 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16651038 barens said: Quote: sought after, and for good reason. It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play. Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.

I'm not sure why, he was on some really shitty teams early in his career, and clearly, with some stability around him, he's showing he's more than a stop gap QB.

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Too much talent he showed at college level not to have some value at NFL level. He needs a change of venue.

Too much risk. I conclude he peaked at Bama.

In comment 16651065 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16651027 ThomasG said: Quote: Too much talent he showed at college level not to have some value at NFL level. He needs a change of venue. Too much risk. I conclude he peaked at Bama.

Unlikely imv he can't play well at the NFL level.

And have no idea how ANY change at QB is too risky for this franchise. They are going nowhere without a change, and assume some risks will need to be taken.

Other than they need 6 years assessing Young.

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but WHY ?? He has been awful. He plays more like a UDFA than a number one overall .

All true, but he has had a disastrous situation in Carolina. I'd only consider it for a late pick, so it probably wouldn't happen, but I don't think it's the craziest idea.

The only way to take on an expensive QB is if he is a proven asset. Why would they move on from 1 expensive failure to one of 2 guys who are more expensive and loaded with their own questions.

Yes, drafting a QB is a risk. But, at least you are re-setting with a cheap and long deal. That is one of the benefits of the young, talented QBs. There is less financial risk if it doesn't work out.

In comment 16651099 Matt M. said:

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The only way to take on an expensive QB is if he is a proven asset. Why would they move on from 1 expensive failure to one of 2 guys who are more expensive and loaded with their own questions. Yes, drafting a QB is a risk. But, at least you are re-setting with a cheap and long deal. That is one of the benefits of the young, talented QBs. There is less financial risk if it doesn't work out.

Less financial risk...UNLESS you are dumb enough to re-sign your mediocre to bad QB to a lucrative contract placing him in the top 10 at the time.

Too small. Young has been awful, Murray has been bad since his initial spurt. I watch him a lot and he just has issues due to his size, but he's a good runner

Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow.

In comment 16651052 bw in dc said:

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In comment 16651038 barens said: Quote: sought after, and for good reason. It's one year - assuming he continues his steady/good play. Could the light finally be going on? Sure. But it's hard to trust that - IMV.

Agreed, I have no interest in Darnold, and even less in Murray. Darnold is playing for one of the best offensive minds in the game, who has shown repeatedly that he knows how to use his QB's strengths. Even then, are defenses catching on to Darnold? He was AWFUL v NYJ last week. Granted, that could be due to trying to hard to show up his former team, but I'll be interested to see how the rest of the season plays out.

Murray has talent, but he's small, is owed a ton of money, and his own team tried to write into his contract requirements that he do his homework. Why would we want to take that on?

Lawrence is the only guy mentioned who I would consider taking a big swing on. He has a ton of talent, is a tough dude, and has a good rep as a hard worker. Something is rotten in Jax, and I suspect it goes deeper than Pederson, so I think he would benefit from a change of scenery. I just don't see Jax giving up on him UNLESS their season continues to go off the rails and they fall in love with one of the college QB's.

But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB.

If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks.

He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.

In comment 16651120 Go Terps said:

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But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB. If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks. He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.

I wouldn't necessarily advocate this move, but I think this makes more sense than Lawrence or Murray. Is Winston as talented as them? Nope. But, he will cost a Hell of a lot less and would not come with the same high expectations placed on him by fans, media, or himself.

In comment 16651168 Matt M. said:

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In comment 16651120 Go Terps said: Quote: But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB. If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks. He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him. I wouldn't necessarily advocate this move, but I think this makes more sense than Lawrence or Murray. Is Winston as talented as them? Nope. But, he will cost a Hell of a lot less and would not come with the same high expectations placed on him by fans, media, or himself.

But, also, as you say, this would be for a short term solution and assumes we are also bringing in a rookie. I like this route rather than trying a reclamation project.

But no, not interested in Young or Levis

But I’d take a swing on a reclamation project with Zack Wilson. Especially after seeing what Darnold became after getting out of that crappy organization.

Wilson has had a similar path. Like Darnold with Shanahan, he will have spent a year learning from one of the best in Sean Peyton.

Realistically, the best landing spot for Wilson is probably somewhere like Tenneseee and not in NY again.

It's not even 1 year. It's 4 games. Then a stinker. He still has a ton to prove if a team were to take a chance on him as a long term starter. Moving on from Jones to him would make very little sense at this point, in my opinion.

Dont trust Darnold at all.
Lawrence contract is ridiculous....

The team needs to rebuild around a young quarterback. The model is Houston, SF and Washington. So draft two quarterbacks in April - the elite guy on day one and a development guy on day three. And sign a solid backup who can win games in the NFL, but at minimal cost. Guys like Winston, Wentz, Keenum, Flacco, etc who will be free agents in 2025 can win games and cost no more than two percent of the cap. Their primary role is to mentor the two young guys and win some games if necessary.

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The team needs to rebuild around a young quarterback. The model is Houston, SF and Washington. So draft two quarterbacks in April - the elite guy on day one and a development guy on day three. And sign a solid backup who can win games in the NFL, but at minimal cost. Guys like Winston, Wentz, Keenum, Flacco, etc who will be free agents in 2025 can win games and cost no more than two percent of the cap. Their primary role is to mentor the two young guys and win some games if necessary.

This times 1000.

In comment 16650976 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16650964 Jay on the Island said: Quote: I have my eyes on is Sam Darnold but only if he finishes the season strong. Why? If he finishes strong he will get a large contract. Why would we assume he can handle NY and take on that risk? Shouldn’t we have learned our lesson on having 1 plus year of production vs several poor years of a track record?

Jones never really had a "plus" year of production of the type Darnold is on pace to post if his play continues. It really is possible that Darnold has finally blossomed after a career spent in abysmal franchises.

I think free agent QBs who haven't lived up to their promise should spend some time at elite or well-coached teams as a backup like Darnold did.

what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick.

Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?

isnt that worse then? If Jones’ not plus year in 2022 netted him $160m then why would a better Darnold year not net him a big contract and wild expectations?

I simply don’t trust Darnold back in the NY market at the cost it will take to bring him here. If somehow we can get him for a year at $10m than sure.

He took it easy this last offseason watching YouTube and playing video games rather than work on his craft. No thanks

In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said:

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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick. Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?

I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with an potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.

Get me Mahommes or Burrow.

Thanks so much!

No way would I sign with a NY team. After the press ran him out of here, I would take a hard pass if I were in his position and would take great pleasure in beating NY teams in the future.

current prices? No way. They are already overpaying a mediocre (at his best) QB. I wouldn't mind trying a reclamation project for cheap, Lawrence might be the next Darnold or Baker needing a change of scenery and better coaching, but I get Jones vibes from him.

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what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick. Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him?

No problem with a 2nd or 3rd for Young.

This franchise should be on a hard-target search to acquire any young QB that has shown plus skills.

In fact, acquire several and let them all compete for the starting job the old-fashioned way...by earning it.

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The team needs to rebuild around a young quarterback. The model is Houston, SF and Washington. So draft two quarterbacks in April - the elite guy on day one and a development guy on day three. And sign a solid backup who can win games in the NFL, but at minimal cost. Guys like Winston, Wentz, Keenum, Flacco, etc who will be free agents in 2025 can win games and cost no more than two percent of the cap. Their primary role is to mentor the two young guys and win some games if necessary.

I like this approach, especially drafting two QBs.

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In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said: Quote: what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick. Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him? I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with a potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it.

I think that’s an unrealistic expectation for a 3 year cost controlled QB that has barely a season of experience (within the worst offense in the league) and no major injuries.

Just ask yourself, would you sell him for a day 3 pick if you were the Panthers and if so, why?

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I like this approach, especially drafting two QBs.

I think they could draft two AND sign a vet. Don't need any of the current guys back next year.

I don't really watch the Jags, why do you think Lawrence has been so disappointing? He seemed like a true "can't miss" superstar QB. The next Peyton, or at least a "Luck". Seems like usually the extremely high pick QB's who bust usually have some significant red flags.

but only if he is holding the job for a rookie. He can throw the ball down the field, and we all know that throwing a pick will not make him gun shy.

He is not a long term answer because he comes with the same problem Jones does - he makes really poor decisions. But he can also make enough plays to sometimes offset many of those mistakes.

The only one of the three QBs on this roster who should even be a mild consideration to come to camp next year is DeVito.

Get him on a rookie contract and build around him to help him succeed right out of the gate. Get him another quality WR and TE. Move Neal to G or sign another vet in their prime and get a better swing tackle. Have everything around him in place.

Lawrence isn’t getting traded after just signing a long term deal. The only vet that makes sense is Darnold but if he finishes strong and the Vikings win a game or 2 in the playoffs they will def resign him or if they decide to go with JJM, Darnold is going to get a big contract.

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sought after, and for good reason.

what is that reason?

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Murray would be intriguing. Sort of reminds me of Fran Tarkenton...keeping you in the game, making things exciting. Think he has an "it" factor. In that respect, we made a blunder not picking up Baker Mayfield a few years ago -- another guy with "it", though mistake prone (which could be coached out). Other names I would explore would be backups on teams with a young, expensive starter. Cooper Rush? Browning in Cincy? This should not preclude us from drafting a QB and letting them grow into the job. I would shy away from the Flacco's, Dalton's and the like. They have had their time. While arm strength and mobility are right up there, I value "smarts" and a "feel" for what the defences are doing as top attributes, as well.

Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team?

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Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team?

The Cardinals have one of the worst defenses in the league and have played one of the hardest schedules.

Murray is on track for 3400/23TD/6INT and 740 rush yards. That's the type of year that got Jones paid, no?

Sounds like a plan. The problem is there are only so many elites and their are quite a few other teams with similar needs.

The Giants need to start taking shots @ the position. The organization seems WAY too gun shy about taking a QB. Yeah, we might take someone & they don't pan out...that's alright. It happens. Just recognize it & cut bait instead of doubling & tripling down. This is why I think we're in year six of this QB we got. As GT says, the Giants need to be 'full bloom in love' to take a QB. What a ridiculous mindset.

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But assuming they move on from Jones (still a major assumption), they're going to need more than one QB. If they want to go the "Kerry Collins" route, I think the obvious name is Jameis Winston. He'd present the opposite problem from Jones - he'll throw the ball downfield (career 7.7 yards/attempt), but he will turn it over more. It's interesting he's only started 10 games since his wild 2019 season (33/30, 5109 yards, 8.2 Y/A). That Tampa team scored 28.6 PPG. For that production I might live with 30 picks. He's still only 30 years old. You could reasonably expect to get 3 or 4 years out of him.

I agree. He’s not young but Jameis is a lightly used pocket passer who should have a few healthy years on the cheap with some real upside with our WRs/coach.

Draft a high potential QB between rounds 2 and 5 to develop and let the cards fall where they may.

In comment 16651275 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16651250 Section331 said: Quote: In comment 16651236 UConn4523 said: Quote: what’s your max cost to pay vs what he would go far? He’s cost controlled for 3 more seasons plus the tag, which is his largest selling point - so you aren’t getting him for a day 3 and maybe even not a day 2 pick. Are we really considering a 2nd and then some for him? I don't think his market would be anywhere near a day 2 pick, no less day 1. I'd offer a 6th with a potion to go to 5 if he plays a certain number of games. Take it or leave it. I think that’s an unrealistic expectation for a 3 year cost controlled QB that has barely a season of experience (within the worst offense in the league) and no major injuries. Just ask yourself, would you sell him for a day 3 pick if you were the Panthers and if so, why?

Nobody, but NOBODY is giving anything up of value. Right now, even on a rookie contract, he’s overpaid. If Carolina is drafting their next QB in April (they will), they may decide they don’t want their former top pick around. If they want a day 1 or 2 pick, good luck.

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In comment 16651464 Jack Stroud said: Quote: Murray, other than Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, may be the worst qb in the league! Which one of the qb's you mentioned could win on this current team? The Cardinals have one of the worst defenses in the league and have played one of the hardest schedules. Murray is on track for 3400/23TD/6INT and 740 rush yards. That's the type of year that got Jones paid, no?

Jones has never had a year close to that. Don’t tell Jack Stroud, he still thinks Jones is as good as Mahomes.

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You've got a $20M cap hit from releasing Jones. Then you have to pay big bucks for an underachieving QB. I would rather take my chances with a rookie.