Will people on here jump back on the bandwagon, or will this place still be crickets? That is the question. I find this site incredibly depressing. I get being down on Jones and the team if they are losing. But if they can win the next two weeks they get to .500, and then they are facing Jayden Daniels at home. If people ARE still negative all the time at that point, then I just think that is really unfortunate. I mean truly. This is not a strong division. It is right there for the taking and the Giants have the best defense in the division. Worry about the QB position after the season. Just win baby. If more people on here had that philosophy, I'm telling you that you would feel much better.
And for another, I don't think that result would change the outlook for this season or the franchise in general.
I'm not getting on a rickety-wheeled bandwagon to try and feel better, the Giants don't affect my mood about anything other than the Giants - and right now the Giants are a bottom tier NFL franchise.
But I'm sure that no matter what happens, you'll find fault everywhere but one position on the field.
What is the prize if Jones throws a touchdown at home?
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I guess that's a no. I chose to not be miserable and focus on the fact the Giants have an excellent defense and a #1 receiver for the 1st time in forever. But go ahead.
Imagine the cognitive dissonance required to simultaneously support DJ with full-throated enthusiasm, and then try to claim "I chose [sic] to not be miserable."
Sweetie, I hate to break it to you, but you're absolutely choosing to be miserable.
LOL, I needn't have asked, but I guess I appreciate the answer.
You can keep referring to yourself as some sort of positive, upbeat guy surrounded by a bunch of grumpy Debbie Downers, but all you are doing is showing everyone that you don't understand what you are seeing because you see with your heart, not your head.
I hope it's a bit. The alternative is much sadder.
No matter the outcome, there will be a mix of fans who are positive, negative, and somewhere else on the spectrum of feelings.
Maybe a good question to ask, does it matter how people feel? Does that amswer preclude meaningful debate about football?
And then we can top things off and run it back again with Daniel Jones by giving him another 4 year $160M deal.
The icing on the cake will be Eric on li giving this deal another A-grade because there were no other better QB options.
Or last year.
At least not to a Giant. He's got a few TD passes to the other team.
1) No matter what we are moving off Jones after this season. I truly believe that.
2) I am still eager for this team to win games and compete for and in the playoffs.
3) I don't see Jones as the reason we would be 4-4 but even if is the QB for us at 4-4 I still expect that he will not be able to play well and win consistently- period.
I want the Giants to move off the Jones is QB stance as it is so over and done here...
1) No matter what we are moving off Jones after this season. I truly believe that.
2) I am still eager for this team to win games and compete for and in the playoffs.
3) I don't see Jones as the reason we would be 4-4 but even if is the QB for us at 4-4 I still expect that he will not be able to play well and win consistently- period.
I want the Giants to move off the Jones is QB stance as it is so over and done here...
I agree with you. The only way we don't move on from Jones is if he magically transforms into the good and consistent QB that he's never been; not gonna happen.
The bar is set at "relevant games in December".
Root for losses, man. Huge losses.
1) No matter what we are moving off Jones after this season. I truly believe that.
2) I am still eager for this team to win games and compete for and in the playoffs.
3) I don't see Jones as the reason we would be 4-4 but even if is the QB for us at 4-4 I still expect that he will not be able to play well and win consistently- period.
I want the Giants to move off the Jones is QB stance as it is so over and done here...
If you guaranteed #1, I'd feel a lot better, but I don't agree at all. If the Giants go into Philly in the last week of the season with any chance of making the playoffs, win or lose Jones is going to be back in 2025.
I'd be my next mortgage payment on it. The same "good times around the bend" vibe that shows up every time the Giants win a game around here is present in the owner's box at MetLife.
Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am I would gladly give you my next mortgage payment right now for the certainty of scenario #1 playing out, but I don't see it.
I'd rather watch the Giants start over with a new coaching staff than keep this staff with Daniel Jones at QB.
Daniel Jones is one of the 5 worst starting QBs in the NFL. No other team in the NFL would play him as their #1 QB with his current contract. With the exception of Watson in Cleveland no fan base would want their team to trade their starting QB for Daniel Jones.
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Were you one of the people saying the Giants had no chance in Seattle? Just wondering
You were one of the people saying we would beat Seattle. Where will you be when we are 2-6?
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
The Giants are likely to start Ezeudu at either LT or RT. If that is the case, Daniel Jones chances of being on the injured list just shot up dramatically.
Sure, Lock may be lightning in a bottle for a bit, but even if by a miracle the Giants win the division, they will get an even worst beating in the playoffs than the one Philly gave us in 2022.
Reality is going to hit when the Eagles come to the Meadowlands at 1pm this Sunday. Yes, the Eagles aren't a good team, but the likelyhood is that Mr. "I can't score a TD at home even with Andrew Thomas protecting my blind side" is going to take a horrific beating.
And since we know how putrid Jones is in those games, it makes the premise of the OP laughable.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
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Were you one of the people saying the Giants had no chance in Seattle? Just wondering
Shamrocks you're the embodiment of the broken clock - right at least twice a day. You've picked the Giants to win every game so of course you'll crow loudly about being right occasionally. Since the Giants are 2-4 and so are you, you're as good a prognosticator as the Giants are a football team. The last thing this team needs is a couple of fluky 2022 wins to mask the true issues and John Mara embarrassing himself by loudly proclaiming "We're back" again.
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That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
You, are a fucking asshole. And quite a few others here behind you. Have a nice night.
I would give back all three Devito wins last year and the warm and fuzzies of that story for Jayden Daniels. Who here would disagree?
If we didn’t win those games last year we would have Daniels and be 5-1 / 4-2 like Washington and super excited about the next 15 years and what we can accomplish. You know what’s keeping most of us miserable right now or taking uppers like Shamrock? Those three fucking games last year.
As JonC says, “sugar high”. It’s rotting a lot of peoples brains.
Plus older,plus injury.
Things go better with coke.
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I guess that's a no. I chose to not be miserable and focus on the fact the Giants have an excellent defense and a #1 receiver for the 1st time in forever. But go ahead.
I’d be excited and hope they win against Washington.
Agree completely.
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That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
The bar is set at "relevant games in December".
Root for losses, man. Huge losses.
Just stop. Jones is gone next year. Sometimes I think u hope Jones stays just so you can complain
A free Pepsi to wash it down.
Shoot the current QB...now, there's an idea.
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That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Oh, and pro football has little to do with the ra-ra life lessons imparted in HS.
These guys are the genetic freaks that have to learn that they won't be able to run around everyone at the next level.
That argument goes both ways. Since none of our attitudes affects anything on the field why not root and look for the positives? Why continually dwell on the negatives, it makes no difference.
The reality is going to be whatever team suits up each Sunday and nothing more or less. Everyone is disappointed when they lose but there is nothing wrong with a fan that chooses to continue to enthusiastically root for his team. That’s what millions of fans do of their teams in all sports across the globe. It’s not really some head scratcher
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Cool story. Are you coaching the Giants? If not, your presence on the bandwagon is irrelevant.
Saying that some people choose to be miserable is a criticism.
Further, observing that the bandwagon is being driven off the cliff isn't being miserable. It's just observing reality.
I'll grow up when you get off your high horse and stop telling other people how to be fans.
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That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Cool story. I coaches my kids' soccer team to an undefeated season. I've also won the Super Bowl in Madden. Those achievements are as relevant to the Giants as yours.
Saying that some people choose to be miserable is a criticism. Further, observing that the bandwagon is being driven off the cliff isn't being miserable. It's just observing reality.
I'll grow up when you get off your high horse and stop telling other people how to be fans.
I think the general nastiness of some old timers was a much more pernicious contribution to this site than the consistent negativity expressed for a team that is pacing to have the fewest wins in the conference over the last 10 seasons.
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I guess that's a no. I chose to not be miserable and focus on the fact the Giants have an excellent defense and a #1 receiver for the 1st time in forever. But go ahead.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Cool story. I coaches my kids' soccer team to an undefeated season. I've also won the Super Bowl in Madden. Those achievements are as relevant to the Giants as yours.
Saying that some people choose to be miserable is a criticism. Further, observing that the bandwagon is being driven off the cliff isn't being miserable. It's just observing reality.
I'll grow up when you get off your high horse and stop telling other people how to be fans.
No noting that some people choose misery is just an observation not a criticism.
I'm not telling anyone how to be a fan I'm supporting the guy who said he's still is one.
It's not a high horse it's just my horse.
I want DJ replaced.
I wanted McCarthy in the draft.
That didn't happen.
Whining about it is not going to reverse history.
When the team I like takes the field I root for them.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
2) Get to 3-4 first. This team has yet to win at home in 3 tries.
3) I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself and I think most would agree. We are bursting at the seams to have something to cheer about. It's not like everyone jumped off a bandwagon. We are still here. But, we have endured more than a decade of almost all losing football. How would expect fans to act?
but that's about it
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
my positive spin is not for morale... I simply love the game and root for my team.
That's blind admiration.
Acknowledging the team's faults is the first step to looking at this with clear eyes.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
my positive spin is not for morale... I simply love the game and root for my team.
That's blind admiration.
Acknowledging the team's faults is the first step to looking at this with clear eyes.
Whining about them is pretending that your opinion matters to the outcome.
"Blind admiration," that's cute.
Nothing we say ON A MESSAGE BOARD has a direct effect on the Giants' outcome in games, positive OR negative.
Sounds like your issue is really more about the existential question of a fan message board's purpose.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
my positive spin is not for morale... I simply love the game and root for my team.
That's blind admiration.
Acknowledging the team's faults is the first step to looking at this with clear eyes.
No, acknowledging the team's faults is looking at it with clear eyes.
Whining about them is pretending that your opinion matters to the outcome.
"Blind admiration," that's cute.
You repeated my sentence to make a point?
And then questioned this very venture.
You just convinced me that you're not keeping up.
but that's about it
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but that's about it
Thay wasn't my intention. It's just expressing my opinion. I don't believe that Jones is this terrible QB that most here think he is. He certainly has faults, but most QB's have faults in the modern NFL. I think Jones would be more successful in a traditional I-formation offense with RPO's and play action passing. If that offense isn't in the cards for the Giants then it is time to move on from him.
"Traditional I-formation?" What teams right now run a traditional I-formation at all?
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if you are posting to draw attention to yourself you have succeeded
but that's about it
Thay wasn't my intention. It's just expressing my opinion. I don't believe that Jones is this terrible QB that most here think he is. He certainly has faults, but most QB's have faults in the modern NFL. I think Jones would be more successful in a traditional I-formation offense with RPO's and play action passing. If that offense isn't in the cards for the Giants then it is time to move on from him.
"Traditional I-formation?" What teams right now run a traditional I-formation at all?
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if you are posting to draw attention to yourself you have succeeded
but that's about it
Thay wasn't my intention. It's just expressing my opinion. I don't believe that Jones is this terrible QB that most here think he is. He certainly has faults, but most QB's have faults in the modern NFL. I think Jones would be more successful in a traditional I-formation offense with RPO's and play action passing. If that offense isn't in the cards for the Giants then it is time to move on from him.
"Traditional I-formation?" What teams right now run a traditional I-formation at all?
I’d love to know how an RPO would work out of the I formation.
Anyway this is just an attempt to change the conversation. Earlier this week he said Daboll should go back to running the 2022 offense.
When it was pointed out that’s what’s happening, the new tact is to blame the modern NFL offense in general. The fact that Jones has never run the kind of offense he’s now proposing doesn’t seem to matter.
Jones cannot fail, in this particular poster’s mind.
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if you are posting to draw attention to yourself you have succeeded
but that's about it
Thay wasn't my intention. It's just expressing my opinion. I don't believe that Jones is this terrible QB that most here think he is. He certainly has faults, but most QB's have faults in the modern NFL. I think Jones would be more successful in a traditional I-formation offense with RPO's and play action passing. If that offense isn't in the cards for the Giants then it is time to move on from him.
"Traditional I-formation?" What teams right now run a traditional I-formation at all?
The Ravens, Steelers and Lions do not run I-formations, but there offensive's are certainly predicated on establishing the run.
So why are you advocating using a formation that the teams you like DO NOT use?
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Whining about them is pretending that your opinion matters to the outcome.
Nothing we say ON A MESSAGE BOARD has a direct effect on the Giants' outcome in games, positive OR negative.
Sounds like your issue is really more about the existential question of a fan message board's purpose.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
my positive spin is not for morale... I simply love the game and root for my team.
That's blind admiration.
Acknowledging the team's faults is the first step to looking at this with clear eyes.
No, acknowledging the team's faults is looking at it with clear eyes.
Whining about them is pretending that your opinion matters to the outcome.
"Blind admiration," that's cute.
You repeated my sentence to make a point?
And then questioned this very venture.
You just convinced me that you're not keeping up.
You're not making any sense.
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but that's about it
Thay wasn't my intention. It's just expressing my opinion. I don't believe that Jones is this terrible QB that most here think he is. He certainly has faults, but most QB's have faults in the modern NFL. I think Jones would be more successful in a traditional I-formation offense with RPO's and play action passing. If that offense isn't in the cards for the Giants then it is time to move on from him.
bullshit
I formations are not the future of football, unless you just want more in the box, or you have a superlative FB.
He's cooked, man.
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... I'm not jumping off.
That likely won't change my expectations, but I ride this bandwagon never season all the way until the end.
Some people do choose to be miserable.
Cool.
Some people choose to be dumb, and then double down by criticizing the people that choose not to be dumb.
I'm dumb because I'm a Giants fan?
Did I criticize?
Grow up.
I have coached undefeated state champions and I have coached teams that struggled to win two games.
I don't jump off of bandwagons.
I may not be Ted Lasso, but I support my guys and I work my ass off to find the good in every season.
Have a nice weekend.
Being an observer is not being a participant.
Your pov is more myopic -next week's opponent- when you coach. You have control over some things. Be positive about what you can't.
We control nothing. Observing means seeing things from an outside perspective, and realizing DJ doesn't have what it takes, instead of putting a positive spin on things for team morale.
My attitude is not going to determine the outcome of any play Sunday.
my positive spin is not for morale... I simply love the game and root for my team.
That's blind admiration.
Acknowledging the team's faults is the first step to looking at this with clear eyes.
No, acknowledging the team's faults is looking at it with clear eyes.
Whining about them is pretending that your opinion matters to the outcome.
"Blind admiration," that's cute.
You repeated my sentence to make a point?
And then questioned this very venture.
You just convinced me that you're not keeping up.
I did not repeat your sentence.
You're not making any sense.
Look at the transcript. Acknowledging.
Repeated sentences.