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Does Tish

mitch300 : 10/20/2024 5:28 pm
Have any say about the team. He owns half the team.that may be the only way changes get done.
he already stepped in to fire judge  
bigbluewillrise : 10/20/2024 5:29 pm : link


he needs to be invovled in the hiring process.
much more.

Why?  
HomerJones45 : 10/20/2024 5:29 pm : link
He’s just as bad.
WGAF about Tisch?  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 5:33 pm : link
He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?
Diehard Fans are losing (or lost) interest  
US1 Giants : 10/20/2024 5:37 pm : link
maybe that will get his attention.
RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
mitch300 : 10/20/2024 5:42 pm : link
In comment 16654769 Bill in UT said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?

He might not know about football. But, he sees what is on the field is not working.
RE: RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 5:44 pm : link
In comment 16654795 mitch300 said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?


He might not know about football. But, he sees what is on the field is not working.


Of course he sees it. He just doesn't have any level of competence to fix it, assuming that it keeps him up at night.
It always cracks me up when people somehow  
JCin332 : 10/20/2024 5:45 pm : link
think Tisch is gonna ride in on his horse and save the day...
He was very involved  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/20/2024 5:45 pm : link
in this current regime being hired and seems pretty active since then. He pushed TC out.

He is part of the problem imv.
RE: It always cracks me up when people somehow  
mitch300 : 10/20/2024 5:47 pm : link
In comment 16654805 JCin332 said:
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think Tisch is gonna ride in on his horse and save the day...

I’m grasping at straws here. We need changes and getting rid of the coach and G.M. Isn’t going to change much.
The Giants are advertising for season ticket sales  
Hammer : 10/20/2024 5:47 pm : link
you better believe that Tish is going to get involved if they stop selling out the stadium.
RE: Diehard Fans are losing (or lost) interest  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16654781 US1 Giants said:
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maybe that will get his attention.


The only thing that will get his attention is the Golden Goose dying, and the way the NFL is set up there's a next to zero chance of that happening. Regardless, his only solution is changing the people he hires. The real solution is getting rid of him and his family, which is not a step he'll take. The Giants' franchise has come down an incompetent Mara shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I assume he gives zero fucks  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/20/2024 5:51 pm : link
...Even with they Giants shit performance for almost a generation now, the value of the team appreciates more than the stock market by a significant amount. Why bother caring?
RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
56goat : 10/20/2024 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16654769 Bill in UT said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?


Neither does Mara but that never stops him.
RE: RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16654847 56goat said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?



Neither does Mara but that never stops him.


yeah, but Mara doesn't know that he doesn't know anything. He's got 3 generations of "football people" that let him think otherwise.
RE: I assume he gives zero fucks  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 6:02 pm : link
In comment 16654824 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...Even with they Giants shit performance for almost a generation now, the value of the team appreciates more than the stock market by a significant amount. Why bother caring?


Mara cares a great deal about the team. He just continues to think that he's the solution rather than the problem.
RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
Jerry in_DC : 10/20/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16654769 Bill in UT said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?


That's fine. That's exactly how business works. Guys like Tisch buy stuff and they hire qualified people to run them. I just took a quick look at his holdings and it looks like he hired an energy guy to run the energy business he bought.

Hire a qualified CEO. John Mara is the CEO because it's a hereditary position. Not because he's qualified. The Giants could actually have a proper CEO. Other teams do this. Sustained massive failure starts at the top. John Mara owns less than 5% of the Giants. He does not have any legal right to be the CEO. It's just the way the Giants like to do things. Turns out that the way the Giants like to do things results in massive sustained failure
Even the worst NFL franchises print money  
larryflower37 : 10/20/2024 6:11 pm : link
That side of the organization careless about the football operations. They bought in to make money are they continue to make money.
RE: Why?  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16654761 HomerJones45 said:
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He’s just as bad.


This. He’s an another nepo baby. He and the Mara’s have one quality that has helped them. Won a D A lottery. I wouldn’t let either run a lemonade stand
RE: RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16654879 Jerry in_DC said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?



That's fine. That's exactly how business works. Guys like Tisch buy stuff and they hire qualified people to run them. I just took a quick look at his holdings and it looks like he hired an energy guy to run the energy business he bought.

Hire a qualified CEO. John Mara is the CEO because it's a hereditary position. Not because he's qualified. The Giants could actually have a proper CEO. Other teams do this. Sustained massive failure starts at the top. John Mara owns less than 5% of the Giants. He does not have any legal right to be the CEO. It's just the way the Giants like to do things. Turns out that the way the Giants like to do things results in massive sustained failure


It doesn't matter that John Mara owns 5%. What matters is that the Mara family owns 51%
RE: RE: RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
FStubbs : 10/20/2024 7:10 pm : link
In comment 16654963 Bill in UT said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?



That's fine. That's exactly how business works. Guys like Tisch buy stuff and they hire qualified people to run them. I just took a quick look at his holdings and it looks like he hired an energy guy to run the energy business he bought.

Hire a qualified CEO. John Mara is the CEO because it's a hereditary position. Not because he's qualified. The Giants could actually have a proper CEO. Other teams do this. Sustained massive failure starts at the top. John Mara owns less than 5% of the Giants. He does not have any legal right to be the CEO. It's just the way the Giants like to do things. Turns out that the way the Giants like to do things results in massive sustained failure



It doesn't matter that John Mara owns 5%. What matters is that the Mara family owns 51%


They own 50%, not 51%. That means theoretically, the hope behind this topic is that Tisch tells the Maras to get out of personnel.
RE: RE: RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/20/2024 8:28 pm : link
In comment 16654963 Bill in UT said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?



That's fine. That's exactly how business works. Guys like Tisch buy stuff and they hire qualified people to run them. I just took a quick look at his holdings and it looks like he hired an energy guy to run the energy business he bought.

Hire a qualified CEO. John Mara is the CEO because it's a hereditary position. Not because he's qualified. The Giants could actually have a proper CEO. Other teams do this. Sustained massive failure starts at the top. John Mara owns less than 5% of the Giants. He does not have any legal right to be the CEO. It's just the way the Giants like to do things. Turns out that the way the Giants like to do things results in massive sustained failure



It doesn't matter that John Mara owns 5%. What matters is that the Mara family owns 51%


The Mara's don't own 51%. They own 50%.
The Maras do have some rights to over power the Tisch  
Jerry in_DC : 10/20/2024 8:34 pm : link
But not every negotiation comes down to the terms of the contract. There are plenty of things that Tisch could do, if he wanted to, that would influence how the franchise is run.
RE: RE: RE: RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
Bill in UT : 10/20/2024 8:51 pm : link
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?



That's fine. That's exactly how business works. Guys like Tisch buy stuff and they hire qualified people to run them. I just took a quick look at his holdings and it looks like he hired an energy guy to run the energy business he bought.

Hire a qualified CEO. John Mara is the CEO because it's a hereditary position. Not because he's qualified. The Giants could actually have a proper CEO. Other teams do this. Sustained massive failure starts at the top. John Mara owns less than 5% of the Giants. He does not have any legal right to be the CEO. It's just the way the Giants like to do things. Turns out that the way the Giants like to do things results in massive sustained failure



It doesn't matter that John Mara owns 5%. What matters is that the Mara family owns 51%



They own 50%, not 51%. That means theoretically, the hope behind this topic is that Tisch tells the Maras to get out of personnel.


My bad about the %'s, but I still don't know that Tisch has the power or the desire to keep John from running the team
RE: WGAF about Tisch?  
Section331 : 10/20/2024 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16654769 Bill in UT said:
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He doesn't know football, he probably doesn't care about football. He's in it for the money and the social perks. And he makes as much money whether the team wins or loses. But as far as him stepping in, go back to 'he doesn't know football" so why would anyone be hopeful of him making a meaningful contribution?


Are we sure Mara knows anything about football? Tisch should put his foot down and demand real changes this offseason. Force the Mara’s to hire an executive with final say on all personnel matters. Let the Mara’s handle business and marketing ops.
You know  
Gman11 : 10/21/2024 12:21 am : link
it's gotten bad when people bitch about the silent partner.
They just changed  
Fifty Six : 10/21/2024 4:17 am : link
just about everything. Outside GM, outside coach. It takes a few years to build a team unless you spend bigly on overpaid FA's. The team is young, and the drafts under Shoen have been mediocre at best. Plus bad luck with injuries.

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