The offense has talent and is not as bad from a talent stand point as the results they are putting up. Daboll is not a good offensive coach and was a bad hire. His system is the problem.
Schoen has put together some good drafts and should have a longer lease at this point I would fire Daboll and put Bowen as interim and let Kafka run the complete offense.
I am not confident Daboll can do anything to make this team competitive.
Next closest thing would be Eluemunor? Then Runyan? Slayton?
It’s a bad unit personel-wise. And while Dabolls scheme has sucked just as much, the offensive roster is also an indictment on Daboll since many of these guys (Wandale, Hyatt, Singletary) were handpicked for his scheme, and I’m sure he has had input and a hand in the QB situation as well..,
Sarcasm…….. I hope
We have 3 good WRs at minimum and middle of the NFL, you could make the case the RBs are at minimum an average NFL group I am not a fan of Jones/Lock/Devito but they can all be game managers at best.
This does translate to the worst offensive in the league which they currently are especially with a Coach brought in here because he was supposed to be a hell of a offensive coordinator.
That happens when the QB can’t execute the plays or hit open receivers!
The 3 non qb runs in the 1st half is absolute trash. The constant curl routes are awful.
Anything else is simply a good old fashioned deflection.
He seems to me like a good over seer, manager of players and his staff but not good at being the OC/play caller while coaching the whole team.
I thought to start the year it might be a good idea to have him call plays and see if that helps, but it seems more like it’s hurting and he’s taken on too much.
Back to Kafka?
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Dabol's offense is completely unimaginative, highly conservative, and easy to diagnose for competent DCs.
That happens when the QB can’t execute the plays or hit open receivers!
Are you going to say that on 3 and 4 the whole NFL world did not think that it was a one read, 5 yd curl to Robinson?
That's Daboll's offense in a nut shell.
Anything else is simply a good old fashioned deflection.
No WR or RB screens?
He went in with a game plan to try and go deep and had no back up plan.
Want to emphasize here that I’m not saying they would be doing better with Kafka calling the plays . This is Daboll’s offense . It’s obvious that without Josh Allen , Daboll is not a significant football mind in this league . But the end product is even worse .
Look for Mara to fire Daboll soon. Brian won’t last the season. Mara broke the seal for making impetuous decisions when he forced Coughlin to fire his coordinators . And he will be wearing the bullseye as Mara will demand that Schoen be humiliated for not giving Barkley the contract. The Maras have always been vindictive pricks who hide behind this laquered veneer of probity and manners, doing things “the right way.”
But the QB leaves so many plays on the field while also not giving guys a chance to make a play. It’s impossible to get an accurate assessment of the playcaller in a situation like this. That was also true when Kafka was calling plays.
He just locks on to 1 guy no matter what
He just likes to throw 5 yd slants and curls
So the defense just attacks the LOS, run blitzing and covering the short routes. We have seen in many games this season that the offense had players running around open, but Jones just checks down. DJ is the problem.
Anything else is simply a good old fashioned deflection.
This... Why is anything else considered. A great coach can't turn shit into a diamond. You're continuing to put lipstick on a 🐷🐷🐖🐖🐷🐷
Hurts or Tua?
No WR or RB screens?
He went in with a game plan to try and go deep and had no back up plan.
He's 100% not helping the offense, but Jones was their problem before Davoli took over the offense.
What does Dabol do well as a coach and play caller? I am not looking to change coaches.
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It might eventually prove to be Davoli too, but he’s calling games with a massive handicap out there.
What does Dabol do well as a coach and play caller? I am not looking to change coaches.
Watch the all 22. Most of the time reads 2, 3 and 4 are available, but Jones locks in on read 1 (usually Nabers/Slayton or Robinson) and there’s 3 defenders there waiting. This guy needs to go.
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It might eventually prove to be Davoli too, but he’s calling games with a massive handicap out there.
What does Dabol do well as a coach and play caller? I am not looking to change coaches.
Watch the all 22. Most of the time reads 2, 3 and 4 are available, but Jones locks in on read 1 (usually Nabers/Slayton or Robinson) and there’s 3 defenders there waiting. This guy needs to go.
So what has the coach done about that?
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
Actually I read this as the same people making excuses for DJ, just now the excuse is Dabolls playcalling. Its never the person who has the ball all the time, it must be someone else.
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
Well, this is one key fact we know.
In 2022, Daboll made a one-year only, custom set of training wheels for Jones. And stitched together an offense to get to the playoffs and win a game.
Alas, that was a one in a lifetime football miracle.
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and now they are making excuses for Daboll.
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
Actually I read this as the same people making excuses for DJ, just now the excuse is Dabolls playcalling. Its never the person who has the ball all the time, it must be someone else.
Don’t worry. 6 or 7 more regime changes and turn the roster over 8 more times and we may finally be able to see the unleashed version of Danny Dimes. Let’s show some patience here, huh?
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and now they are making excuses for Daboll.
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
Well, this is one key fact we know.
In 2022, Daboll made a one-year only, custom set of training wheels for Jones. And stitched together an offense to get to the playoffs and win a game.
Alas, that was a one in a lifetime football miracle.
Well at least we ran the zone read successfully that season which made the offense some what competent. We have given up on the zone read maybe because of the fear of hurting Jones or the knee injury?
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and now they are making excuses for Daboll.
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
Well, this is one key fact we know.
In 2022, Daboll made a one-year only, custom set of training wheels for Jones. And stitched together an offense to get to the playoffs and win a game.
Alas, that was a one in a lifetime football miracle.
To be fair, it only lasted for 7 games. That team limped/backed into the playoffs and just happened to play a bigger fraud in the first round.
1. Pay Jones
2. Not draft a QB in 3 drafts
3. Back him up with QBs that wouldn't pose a challenge
Jones sucks. Schoen and Daboll either failed to convince Mara of that or they don't think Jones sucks. Either way, they're part of the problem and have to go. Staple these three guys together and throw them into the Hackensack River.
They had their chance.
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It might eventually prove to be Davoli too, but he’s calling games with a massive handicap out there.
What does Dabol do well as a coach and play caller? I am not looking to change coaches.
Watch the all 22. Most of the time reads 2, 3 and 4 are available, but Jones locks in on read 1 (usually Nabers/Slayton or Robinson) and there’s 3 defenders there waiting. This guy needs to go.
So what has the coach done about that?
I’m not absolving Daboll of hitching his wagon to Jones, but for this specific point… What do you want him to do? Control Jones's eyes and reflexes?
But I bet those plays just don't work anymore. I mean, obviously we have a comparable talent to Josh Allen at QB, so it clearly must be that his offense just stinks 4 years later.
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and now they are making excuses for Daboll.
It is possible they both stink.
So we draft a qb and then the excuse will be Daboll has to develop the drafted qb and that will take 2-3 years!!!
Well, this is one key fact we know.
In 2022, Daboll made a one-year only, custom set of training wheels for Jones. And stitched together an offense to get to the playoffs and win a game.
Alas, that was a one in a lifetime football miracle.
Well at least we ran the zone read successfully that season which made the offense some what competent. We have given up on the zone read maybe because of the fear of hurting Jones or the knee injury?
It's almost as if the zone read was a lot more effective when you had Saquon back there.
I remember posting this, when Saquon leaves you watch and see how less effective DJ is on those.
1. Pay Jones
2. Not draft a QB in 3 drafts
3. Back him up with QBs that wouldn't pose a challenge
Jones sucks. Schoen and Daboll either failed to convince Mara of that or they don't think Jones sucks. Either way, they're part of the problem and have to go. Staple these three guys together and throw them into the Hackensack River.
I’ll preface this by saying you’ve been way more right than wrong and this regime not distancing themselves from this block head is the definition of insanity. But, both were first time in their roles and we knew Mara had a weird obsession with Jones, so I’m not dismissing that they were nudged into this marriage. I’m not surprised newbie’s didn’t have the voice to tell a legacy owner to fuck off, he sucks.
Where Schoen/Daboll are signing their pink slip is the lack of competition at the position. I agree with you in that, QB should be treated like every other position. Cluster draft until you have the guy, and even then, take guys as value matches.
1. Pay Jones
2. Not draft a QB in 3 drafts
3. Back him up with QBs that wouldn't pose a challenge
Jones sucks. Schoen and Daboll either failed to convince Mara of that or they don't think Jones sucks. Either way, they're part of the problem and have to go. Staple these three guys together and throw them into the Hackensack River.
GT, you always want to just keep churning. Everyone sucks. No, Jones sucks. This team needs continuity with a regime. I trust them to draft and develop a QB. For all the hand-wringing about Daboll, he won coach of the year and made the playoffs with DJ at QB. That alone should buy him the opportunity to try and make it work with a drafted QB prospect.
Not in his previous stops, and not now. But he was among the group of HC candidates they were realistically able to choose from.
This regime is not the right people.
They had their chance.
Can’t trust them at all. I have no idea how they entered this season with Daniel Jones as QB1.
Time to clean house.
I know that's the current NFL style and thinking but at some point you know he cannot do that. So either you change the offense to not do those things and run the ball 30+ times a game
Or you change the QB.
Daboll has failed at both.
I know that's the current NFL style and thinking but at some point you know he cannot do that. So either you change the offense to not do those things and run the ball 30+ times a game
Or you change the QB.
Daboll has failed at both.
What do you think would happen if the Giants ran the ball 30 times a game?
Why do you believe this is something that cant be defended?
Foundation was a very good OL for both teams. Hard to consistently win in this game if you can’t do both. Especially when it comes to the playoffs.
One big issue of the Daboll scheme is it struggles to consistently get RB production. That’s a big problem and for me it’s a JS/BD issue with their vision.
Foundation was a very good OL for both teams. Hard to consistently win in this game if you can’t do both. Especially when it comes to the playoffs.
One big issue of the Daboll scheme is it struggles to consistently get RB production. That’s a big problem and for me it’s a JS/BD issue with their vision.
While I agree with you in that it may be a product of the nature of the offensive scheme, the reality is with competent QB play, defenses would back off and allow for the run to have some gains.
If you cannot pass, defending the run is easy. If you dont have to worry about throws past 10 yards, defending the run is simple.
There isnt a simple "just do this instead" answer for 2024.
What do you think would happen if the Giants ran the ball 30 times a game?
Why do you believe this is something that cant be defended?
Exactly. How many times has it been discussed - and proven - that teams, especially during the Barkley era, designed their defenses to stop the run/Barkley to invite Jones to beat them with his arm?
Teams would love if the Giants ran the ball 30X+.