List what pisses you off the most about this team

1. The love affair with Daniel Jones
2. The missed draft picks, especially in premium picks
3. The lack of care for the fans
4. The HORRENDOUSLY bland offense
5. That they're consistently the bitches of the Eagles and Cowboys
6. The blind loyalty to certain players and personnel
7. Taking Daniel Jones 6th overall
8. That we rarely play competitive football

This team did not pursue any of Bill Belichick, Mike Vrabel, or Jim Harbaugh so they could stick with Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen.

And toleration of losing demonstrated most completely by the avoidance of competition at the QB position

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1. After 3 years, our 2 best players are still Gettleman picks.
2. Letting a mediocre QB fire perhaps 4 HCs and 2 GMs.
3. Jettisoning a D coordinator who forced opponents into turnovers.
4. Lack of WRs who can make contested catches, when every other team has at least 2.
5. Running a YAC based passing game but never having any receivers who are good at that.
6. Absolute abandonment regarding use of the TE position.
7. Only 3 defenders on the roster who can be considered as above average run stoppers.
8. Injuries destroy us every year.
9. Slow starts every game and season.
10. Most of all, I hate watching other NFL games because it looks like a different sport than we play in terms of physicality and intensity.

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In comment 16655362 cpgiants said:

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1. After 3 years, our 2 best players are still Gettleman picks. 2. Letting a mediocre QB fire perhaps 4 HCs and 2 GMs. 3. Jettisoning a D coordinator who forced opponents into turnovers. 4. Lack of WRs who can make contested catches, when every other team has at least 2. 5. Running a YAC based passing game but never having any receivers who are good at that. 6. Absolute abandonment regarding use of the TE position. 7. Only 3 defenders on the roster who can be considered as above average run stoppers. 8. Injuries destroy us every year. 9. Slow starts every game and season. 10. Most of all, I hate watching other NFL games because it looks like a different sport than we play in terms of physicality and intensity.

sorry Wink was trash

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But some very easy ones:

1) This team is soft- soft tacklers, soft mentally, soft results and soft fortitude!

2) We have become a joke, a national joke to the point where our last SB victory seems so long ago, so forgotten.

3) The fact that we have been underdogs for 23 consecutive games is actually less surprising than the fact that we have come up even smaller than the low expectations most have for this team.

4) Daniel Jones- still starting for this team even after his first three years and then leading into 2022 not looking like he was going to be here long and then his best year (15 td passes) turns into a 160 million dollar albatross. Now, 6 home games later ( 2 last year and 4 this year) Jones has 0 TD passes and averages 5.8 pts per game..

5) We are fucking boring, boring. This team is the excitement equivalent of the Pro Bowl but lacking the physical, competitive play of the Pro Bowl.

6) Hard Knocks opened the door to some behind the scenes stuff that still leaves one wondering what were we missing- who really signed off on Jones deal, how much of this is Mara's doing and is Daboll closer to the guy Wink hinted at or is it being saddled to Jones???

7) What is the answer for now to have the way to the future? Right now I see NOTHING that says the Giants ownership and management have any clue what they are doing to right this ship overall. Just pushing Jones back out there week after week is embarrassing- even if he is better than the other two because I have seen nothing from Jones that says he should be out there. In fact, his losing play, his loser feeling and persona has seemed so deeply into this organization that every day he is still playing is a week or month more to the grime that will need to be cleaned away here..

8) I am tired of losing to teams who aren't that great- Philly wasn't anything special today, Dallas is not good, the Bengals were bottom of the league defensively, Washington couldn't score a TD and yet we lost to each one of these teams. We are now to the point where even I think winning is actually going to be counter productive. That is not good!!!

So much more I could say but Fuck It, this team sucks so badly right now..

Bob Papa, Carl Banks, Management, JetLife, the field, the logo on the field, the uniforms, Medium Pepsis, Pepsi products over Coke, Ernie Accorsi, Smart, Tough, Dependable, QBs who get six years to prove themselves, going back to look at the tape, working hard, being a good teammate, the Giants Way, etc.

winning meaningless games because that creates momentum that will carry over to the following year.

Do you know what would make me really happy in the short run? No fans showing up for home games.

Instead of Penix or McCarthy. He has had zero impact and both those QB's would top next years draft . This is exactly the team I pictured they would be rolling another year with No TD Jones. There is nothing to root for .

In comment 16655387 jvm52106 said:

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5) We are fucking boring, boring. This team is the excitement equivalent of the Pro Bowl but lacking the physical, competitive play of the Pro Bowl.

This is so true, especially when you look around the league and you see teams with talented players doing exciting things and winning.

Throw away your Melatonin. If you are having problems sleeping, watch replays of our games.

Play offense. Daniel Jones is hard to watch.

... What more does it freakin take?!? The Giants have the 2nd lowest points per game in the whole league. Only the Tua-less Dolphins are worse.

It's that they've sucked for so long and there's no hope in sight.

New coach, new qb, new GM, same old shit.

but the coaches change, the Game change but yet this team is still stuck in 1995 thinking you can field goal everyone to death. It's not that league anymore where you can expect to win 10 games with a final score of 15-10.

Eli is gone. They still suck. OBJ is gone. They still suck. McAdoo is gone. They still suck. Judge is gone. They still suck. Barkley is gone. They still suck. Engram is gone. They still suck.

They're all different players, but it all looks like the same lump of garbage every single game. I feel as if I've been watching the same game every week for the past 12 years.

When the fuck is this going to END?

Too many years of irrelevant football at the end of the season. I fucking HATE irrelevant loser garbage games at the end of the season. Fuck off with that shit.

Away fans in the stadium dancing the day away at MetLife. So pathetic.

1. Nepotistic ownership
2. Stupid idiotic fans (yes I count myself) that show up to these games
3. Dick sucking media that never ask tough questions
4. The Mara’s
5. Oh did mention the Fans?

They seem hopeless.

By that I specifically mean that such little long term progress has been made. I feel the Giants are actually more likely to devolve soon than improve if players like Lawrence decide they've had enough of playing on a joke of a team.

It feels like it's going to take so many years to turn this team around.

rings hollow doesn’t it?

31 other teams trying to draft and sign good players to try and win football games, but the Giants want guys who are smart, tough and dependable? Whoa, we really cracked the code!

And as a footnote, well into season 3 of this regime, and I don’t see anything smart, tough or dependable about this team and org

Not having the ability to fix this rotten team for a dozen years.

Sure we have had coaching issues, the QB situation, the OL, etc. However, it is always something with this team and in my opinion, it stems from the very top.

Accepting losing and using "seeing improvement" as the compensating factor and reason for believeing it will be different next year.

Just step back and away from the Jones situation. He is the result and not the problem.

And I was far from the only one on this site. The articles and stories about the Cutcliffe connection was beaten to death. Ownership and the FO convinced themselves that Jones had the “makings of a Manning” thanks to even Eli himself probably vouching for Jones due to the Cutcliffe connection.

They drafted him 6th overall when the discussion throughout the entire process was “is this borderline 1st rounder worth the 17th pick?”, pretty much all the draft gurus including our very own Sy didn’t think he was a Top 20 type prospect let alone near Top 5.

I hated then how I could see Jones as a Giant coming from a mile away. I said this is what upset me the most on the post-pick thread then. It was so predictable and “Giants-like” in my mind even then. They made their decision a long time prior to the draft despite the significant majority of people disagreeing with their thinking.

- Won 1 playoff game in 6 years
- In 66 starts, a 24-41-1 record
- 81 total TDs and 68 Turnovers in career (INTs + Lost Fumbles)
- 18th/31st/31st/15th/30th/31st in points scored each year
- Bad offenses despite 4 different OCs and different casts

And yet despite all this evidence showing how thoroughly mediocre at best he is, the FO has decided that 1 playoff win makes up for all of this to the tune of a $160M contract. We also have Daboll saying “we’re sticking with him” despite risking a $25M injury guarantee by playing him despite him proving to be injury prone and us losing the best OLineman we have on this team by 10 miles.

It’s an embarrassment that this team can’t admit they were wrong on Jones. They weren’t just wrong on giving him a massive 2nd contract. They weren’t just wrong on drafting him 6th when most thought he was a borderline 1st rounder. They were wrong ever since they fell in love with him through the Cutcliffe connection over a year before he was drafted.

The team has a lot of issues but all the excuses made in order to try to “prove” that they were smart/right about Jones shows how inmature and emotional this ownership is.

Jones is a likable guy. I respect his professionalism and personality. But until we have a new QB, this team won’t go anywhere.

In comment 16655449 DefenseWins said:

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Not having the ability to fix this rotten team for a dozen years. Sure we have had coaching issues, the QB situation, the OL, etc. However, it is always something with this team and in my opinion, it stems from the very top. Accepting losing and using "seeing improvement" as the compensating factor and reason for believeing it will be different next year. Just step back and away from the Jones situation. He is the result and not the problem.

Yup Mara virtually parachuting onto an aircraft carrier and declaring mission accomplished after one wild card win 2 years ago looks pretty sad in hindsight.

We compete for a wild card once every few years. Yay!

Mara's incompetence. The Jones scholarship. Season's being over before Halloween, if not earlier. The team not even being fun to watch. The Papas, Banks', Dottinos of the world telling us not to believe our eyes.

Daniel Jones should not be the QB anymore.
Daboll, I can't listen to him anymore. He has got to go.

In comment 16655451 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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And I was far from the only one on this site. The articles and stories about the Cutcliffe connection was beaten to death. Ownership and the FO convinced themselves that Jones had the “makings of a Manning” thanks to even Eli himself probably vouching for Jones due to the Cutcliffe connection. They drafted him 6th overall when the discussion throughout the entire process was “is this borderline 1st rounder worth the 17th pick?”, pretty much all the draft gurus including our very own Sy didn’t think he was a Top 20 type prospect let alone near Top 5. I hated then how I could see Jones as a Giant coming from a mile away. I said this is what upset me the most on the post-pick thread then. It was so predictable and “Giants-like” in my mind even then. They made their decision a long time prior to the draft despite the significant majority of people disagreeing with their thinking. - Won 1 playoff game in 6 years - In 66 starts, a 24-41-1 record - 81 total TDs and 68 Turnovers in career (INTs + Lost Fumbles) - 18th/31st/31st/15th/30th/31st in points scored each year - Bad offenses despite 4 different OCs and different casts And yet despite all this evidence showing how thoroughly mediocre at best he is, the FO has decided that 1 playoff win makes up for all of this to the tune of a $160M contract. We also have Daboll saying “we’re sticking with him” despite risking a $25M injury guarantee by playing him despite him proving to be injury prone and us losing the best OLineman we have on this team by 10 miles. It’s an embarrassment that this team can’t admit they were wrong on Jones. They weren’t just wrong on giving him a massive 2nd contract. They weren’t just wrong on drafting him 6th when most thought he was a borderline 1st rounder. They were wrong ever since they fell in love with him through the Cutcliffe connection over a year before he was drafted. The team has a lot of issues but all the excuses made in order to try to “prove” that they were smart/right about Jones shows how inmature and emotional this ownership is. Jones is a likable guy. I respect his professionalism and personality. But until we have a new QB, this team won’t go anywhere.

So incredibly well said. And it's why the deck needs to be wiped clean. Schoen, Daboll & Jones need to all go.

every instinct they have in football has been wrong, why they just don't do the opposite?

the great destruction of the LoS that started over a decade ago. Plenty of other problems outside of that including the QB and imv the HC but the LoS issue remains.

That they can’t stop sucking

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Nobody is telling you to watch.

The Giants are a a place where decent coaches go to die. Who, in their right mind, would come here to coach, especially since they are seemingly wedded to a coach killing QB? Total insanity.

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+1. That says it all.

and so often that the numbness has really taken over, and there is a irrelevance to being a fan of the team.

With seemingly no end in sight either.

Going nowhere.

and Thomas done for the season.

In comment 16655482 varco said:

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The Giants are a a place where decent coaches go to die. Who, in their right mind, would come here to coach, especially since they are seemingly wedded to a coach killing QB? Total insanity.

I agree, and the coaching issues go beyond the revolving door of head coaching failures IMO. It stood out to me with both Shurmur and Judge. We know Shurmur was a fall back option, we were later in the game that hiring cycle, and he didn’t really have a bunch of high quality loyalists ready to join his staff. He essentially hired a bunch of guys at random

Then Judge talked a big game and hired a bunch of college coaches under the guise of teaching, next thing you know he’s brawling with his OL coach in the hallway

Even with Daboll, who I’ve always liked - 2 years into his tenure his DC is leaving under weird circumstances and stabbing everyone he can in the back through the media

I mean, what the fuck is going on internally?

spend money on the team or watch on TV and provide ratings. The only way things will change is if Mara's bottom line is hurting.

Good post. What about that Drew Lock press conference set up so he could publicly admit he wasn’t competing for the starting job? Who came up with that idea? How in the name of holy heck was it then approved?

Jones should've been gone three years ago.

2024 Giants play low IQ football, repeating dumb mistakes, zero attention to detail, etc.

Bad football teams attract more bad luck.

Too many chefs in the football ops soup, including too many Mara family members.
HK confirmed many of the pessimist crowd fears.

it all starts with Mara. He had this belief that if DJ was surrounded by an average OL and a #1 WR the team would be a playoff contender.

the 2022 playoff win, set this team back 3-4 years.

Also Barkley's agent seriously misjudged the RB market. It would have been great to sign Barkley and tag Jones.

Schoen is and was under no illusions about the state of the team, and the QB. It looks like Daboll will be thrown under the bus at the end of the season.

Being overly loyal to players/coaches/GMs etc...

If it's not Gettleman, it's Daniel Jones. If it's not Jones, it's something else. Shitty GMs, shitty coaches, awful rosters for years on end.

Oh, and the single worst stadium in US pro sports.

and his minister of propaganda Pat Hanlon.

In comment 16655515 cosmicj said:

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Good post. What about that Drew Lock press conference set up so he could publicly admit he wasn’t competing for the starting job? Who came up with that idea? How in the name of holy heck was it then approved?

Well said. As some of the more vocal posters have said here multiple times, we all know Jones wasn’t cuttable this past offseason, with something like a $60 million dead cap hit

But not bringing in real competition at QB was criminal

In comment 16655687 mfsd said:

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In comment 16655515 cosmicj said: Quote: Good post. What about that Drew Lock press conference set up so he could publicly admit he wasn’t competing for the starting job? Who came up with that idea? How in the name of holy heck was it then approved? Well said. As some of the more vocal posters have said here multiple times, we all know Jones wasn’t cuttable this past offseason, with something like a $60 million dead cap hit But not bringing in real competition at QB was criminal

I need an explanation for going into this season with a depth chart of Jones-Lock-DeVito. Some reporter has to press Schoen on this at his midseason presser.

2. DJ
3. DJ
4+. DJ

I am now in the new club of believing that if we get a "legitimate NFL QB" this team could turn around rather quickly, like Wash, Buff, and numerous other examples. If your QB sucks you are going no where

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It starts with the head coach.

One minute he's a player's coach and he's calling things aggressively.

Next thing you know he's offering coach-speak and making CYA decisions (appearances of that) and kicking a meaningless FG on third down with 9 seconds left - plenty of time to take one shot in the end zone.

Seattle game the Giants actually looked halfway decent. And they've looked so putrid most other weeks.

Also, and tied to the inconsistency, the Giants win the game against the juggernaut <<<eyeroll>>> Commanders because there was no backup plan when the kicker was injured. Not that THAT is the main thing ... just an indicator of underlying issues in this coaching regime.

... was texting with my son watching the end of the Lions/Vikings and we agreed we really like Dan Campbell. My angst about Brian Daboll at this point is that I THOUGHT he had that Campbell (dog) in him, but while it's clearly just the way Campbell rolls, it seems that Daboll is trying to fit into that mold, and it just cannot be pulled off 100% of the time, so we get those pre-game, post-game, mid-week, whenever comments from our HC that aren't those of a leader but more of someone who's at the end of the tail being wagged by ownership.

attachment to Daniel Jones that permeates everything.

So many personnel decisions and signings have been made to "help" DJ or give him a "fair" shake. Screw that, an adage is that a good quarterback makes those around him better, we have gone totally ass-backwards about this and organizationally rationalized that we need to have other players make the QB better.

In comment 16655436 Gforce11 said:

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1. Nepotistic ownership 2. Stupid idiotic fans (yes I count myself) that show up to these games 3. Dick sucking media that never ask tough questions 4. The Mara’s 5. Oh did mention the Fans?

You are 100% about the idiotic fan part. I went to this game and totally forgot we have some annoying weirdos in our fan base.

In comment 16655434 Route 9 said:

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but the coaches change, the Game change but yet this team is still stuck in 1995 thinking you can field goal everyone to death. It's not that league anymore where you can expect to win 10 games with a final score of 15-10. Eli is gone. They still suck. OBJ is gone. They still suck. McAdoo is gone. They still suck. Judge is gone. They still suck. Barkley is gone. They still suck. Engram is gone. They still suck. They're all different players, but it all looks like the same lump of garbage every single game. I feel as if I've been watching the same game every week for the past 12 years. When the fuck is this going to END? Too many years of irrelevant football at the end of the season. I fucking HATE irrelevant loser garbage games at the end of the season. Fuck off with that shit. Away fans in the stadium dancing the day away at MetLife. So pathetic.

ALL of this.

Randy Moss, Tunstil, Warren Sapp, all could have been Giants

on the team right now.

with a QB room of Jones, Lock and DeVito. Simply inexcusable. Even if they felt that Jones could be productive, his injury history required they bring in a quality backup.

What is the constant over the last decade? Not the GM, Not the coaches not the players. The billionaire owners!!! Horrible! Until they sell this team is toasr