When asked if Eagles were doing anything different in first half, answered “Wasn’t really anything different, watch the target tape, I was open, that was it”
I really wanted to believe in DJ after 2019 and was mostly convinced Judge and Garret were the problem in 2020 and 2021, especially after 2022. After last year though, I wanted JJM in the draft. I’m firmly done, especially after seeing sacks today where the ball could have easily been thrown away.
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Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
Daboll at his press conferences seems defeated and frustrated and sad to say clueless on what direction to take the team. As a fan for decades the state of the Giants is in a very sad position and I fear the powers that be are not the answer to bring this team back to prominence. To compound this disaster I have no idea who can rectify this shitty mess of a team.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
"He proved his draft day haters wrong."
Oh, so you're one of ones calling critics of Jones "haters."
Nice of you to show up finally!
He's a s**t quarterback. Use whatever terminology you want, he hasn't proved those who said he was overdrafted wrong. He's completely vindicated his critics.
Anyway, have a nice retirement, Mr. Gettleman.
I don’t agree. He’s a budding superstar who the front office has to treat with kid gloves. Not some guy worried about his next contract. I want him to be loud and say the truth publicly. This team needs dissension.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
Zach Wilson would have a similar career if the Jets gave him 6+ years and never drafted another QB in any round during that time.
“We gotta give our defense some time to get some breathers, so when they get back out there, they’re still playing at a high level.”
I think we should give Jones at least another year..
Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that.
I think we saw the beginning of that in the second half yesterday.
I am totally over but he is a tough dude hard worker QB talk.
He is also a very limited bad QB.
2024 should be the end of the Jones era.
This will be the most important offseason coming up in decades
Problem is do we trust the current regime to get it right!!!!
Then DJ should make more plays as the QB and keep the offense out of bad down/distances. He should also read the defense pre-snap and figure out where pressure may come from and adjust or be ready to react quickly. How about throw to space where pressure comes from into that vacant area.
Do you see him doing any of these things?
Why? If Schoen and Daboll are too damn stupid to realize their pet QB sucks maybe the players can get through to them. Nothing else has worked
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
No, he'll have killed 3 coaches and 2 gms by the end of this season.
#6 pick to get this?
Should have ended three years ago
Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that.
Wink's handling of that is why he is not in the league.
That and not being able to stop anything.
This is what you don’t draft a “dawg” WR when you have nobody who can throw the ball to them. Nabers is not Larry Fitzgerald or Megatron. He is not going to sit quietly while 10 years go by with no opportunity to win games.
More evidence that this regime doesn’t know what it is doing. You’re putting a mack daddy hot tub on a deck riddled with dry rot.
Welp, on the one hand, I understand exactly where you’re coming from. On the other hand, the disinfectant required to clean up this shit-hole begins with one simple word: Honesty.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
Playing better than other failed 1st rounders is proof that the “haters” were wrong? Sorry, bub, J9nes has sucked his entire career. His best season comprised of a whopping 15 TD passes. The only reason he was more “successful” is because this loser organization insisted on trotting him out there for 6 years.
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was also asking him about if he wanted a run game too and his response was “that’s not my job. My job is to run routes, get open and catch the ball”. And he’s right.
Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that.
Wink's handling of that is why he is not in the league.
That and not being able to stop anything.
And Daboll can't carry his jockstrap as an NFL football coach.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
No 6 pick shouldn’t be a backup. Are you serious with this? I
Player mutinies and publicly calling out the stupidity of this franchise may be the only way out of this self-inflicted death spiral. Malik Nabers quietly discussing his concerns with Brian Daboll isn't changing anything.
I hope more players come out and challenge this coach, GM and owner. It can only help. There is nothing worth saving.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
Welcome to the NY Giants.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.
* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.
I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.
Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.
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They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.
* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.
I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.
Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.
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Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today?
It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.
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They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.
* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.
I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.
Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.
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Indeed, and of course now Shefter is hinting that Jones will be benched because of the injury guarantee, which is such a joke if they go this way. It's the right decision, but just reflects the reactionary approach this team has after a season doing everything they can to prioritize Jones. It's the "give the greenlight the bench Eli but then hit full reverse when it backfires" move yet again.
We need someone running this who's priority it to build a better team, even if that upsets our current unproductive QB.
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They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.
* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.
I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.
Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.
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Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today?
It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.
How would it be possible to be 4-3 with a completely incompetent GM and coach? Every personnel move has sucked, every coaching move has sucked. I guess we are just assuming that Penix (who i do like) is an immediate top 5 QB?
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They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.
* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.
I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.
Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.
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Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today?
It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.
Yep. And even assuming they love Jones as much as they say they do, to not bring in a quality alternative just based on his injury history tells us all we need to know about their priorities. And their priority was to make Danny not feel threatened and to also make sure that if Danny were to get injured again the back up would be dreadful enough to make themselves and some fans feel better about Jones.
“See! Jones went out and the back up was worse so we were right! Jones was the guy!”. It’s absolutely mind boggling how they’ve handled this position
And to be fair, I do believe if Schoen and Daboll went to him and said "Jones doesn't give us the best chance to win he would get on board with a benching. I just don't see that happening until the Giants are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
Yep.
Watching the bad QB play in 2020 & 2021 seasons and yearning for DJ to play better like he did in just a few isolated games from his rookie season of 2019 was a joke.
And similarly this regime doing the same in 2023 and 2024 and yearning back to a few isolated 2022 games.
But let's keep doing the same thing...bring in no serious competition, don't use any draft picks on QBs and just keep giving starts to Jones until he is hurt or the team is eliminated from playoff race.
Unbelievable waste of time.
I'm far from a DJ defender in any sense, but he didn't set the franchise back at all. The franchise set themselves back - DJ is merely representative of a broken organization that can't differentiate problems from solutions and appears to value the wrong traits in players. It's not just DJ and never has been. But he has been emblematic of this franchise's recent mediocrity.
Trust me, I hate Daniel Jones. People say "nobody hates Daniel Jones." BS - i fing hate Daniel Jones.
My view is that these 2 years were dead as soon as the Minnesota game ended. There is no GM, no coach that would move on from Jones in 2022 while John Mara was drooling all over an unrestricted free agent ahead of a negotiating period.
Having seen Nabers, we got a really good and really valuable player. This is not Barkley. Will Penix be good? Maybe, maybe not. If he's good, then passing on him was a big mistake. If not, then having Nabers instead of a mediocre QB is a big win. I'd have been very happy to draft Penix and for sure this year would be a lot more exciting. But bigger picture and through the lens of the Giants actually being good, I'm not sure it was a massive mistake.
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(which it would be really hard to be as bad as Daniel Jones has been) you'd still have hope for the future. You could accept losses or imperfect games if there is growth. Jones is who is he is at this point, which has made the last several years that much harder.
Trust me, I hate Daniel Jones. People say "nobody hates Daniel Jones." BS - i fing hate Daniel Jones.
My view is that these 2 years were dead as soon as the Minnesota game ended. There is no GM, no coach that would move on from Jones in 2022 while John Mara was drooling all over an unrestricted free agent ahead of a negotiating period.
Having seen Nabers, we got a really good and really valuable player. This is not Barkley. Will Penix be good? Maybe, maybe not. If he's good, then passing on him was a big mistake. If not, then having Nabers instead of a mediocre QB is a big win. I'd have been very happy to draft Penix and for sure this year would be a lot more exciting. But bigger picture and through the lens of the Giants actually being good, I'm not sure it was a massive mistake.
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was also asking him about if he wanted a run game too and his response was “that’s not my job. My job is to run routes, get open and catch the ball”. And he’s right.
Most Giants fans bash Wink but I’m a little more understanding of his viewpoint. Going rogue in your boss is never good, but he couldn’t stand Daboll and there’s a reason for that.
Wink's handling of that is why he is not in the league.
That and not being able to stop anything.
And Daboll can't carry his jockstrap as an NFL football coach.
Whose? Wink's?
If Wink was anything other than the most overrated DC in the NFL, he would have gotten a job last offseason. He barely even got interviews.
Wink sucks, regardless of where you stand on Daboll.
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They told Russell Wilson on league-minimum salary to get lost.
Is Nabers mad? They'll throw him under a bus. Slayton still loves Jones, Barkley got mad at the Giants fans for booing him yesterday. He still has backers in the org and I'll believe they are done with him when I see it. Right now, I'm seeing the "Jones isn't the only problem" song and dance rear its head.
This team spent much of this offseason making decisions based upon Daniel Jones and his feelings.
* They drafted a WR for him to get him more weapons
* They warned him ahead of the draft that they may pick a QB, like his feelings on that should matter at all. Did they talk to Slayton and Robinson about the possibility of picking a WR?
* They didn't want Wilson in the building unless he swore loyalty and fealty to Jones
* They brought in Drew Lock and immediately put him in front of the media to swear loyalty and fealty to Daniel Jones as his humble sidekick.
I am not far from where Terps is on this. This team has the QB it wanted and deserves in Daniel Jones. It is hard to imagine how this regime could have handled the most important position on the field worse than they did they past few years.
Mara, Schoen and Daboll are getting the results on the field commensurate with the job they are doing. They have failed this franchise.
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Imagine we're sitting at 4-3/3-4 with Penix/McCarthy /Nix/Flacco/Darnold at QB...how are we feeling today?
It was so obvious what they needed to do this offseason. So obvious.
All those names are good except Flacco. The guy is 40 years old, and that's reward? Getting us a .500 team and middle of the 1st round pick for his replacement?
At least the other guys can be considered building blocks.
And to be fair, I do believe if Schoen and Daboll went to him and said "Jones doesn't give us the best chance to win he would get on board with a benching. I just don't see that happening until the Giants are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
To still be in the league leaders in turnovers despite that is incredible.
He got black-listed by the NFL for his behavior here, it is what it is. But he is a better football coach than Brian Daboll and the results here support that.
My view is that these 2 years were dead as soon as the Minnesota game ended. There is no GM, no coach that would move on from Jones in 2022 while John Mara was drooling all over an unrestricted free agent ahead of a negotiating period.
Having seen Nabers, we got a really good and really valuable player. This is not Barkley. Will Penix be good? Maybe, maybe not. If he's good, then passing on him was a big mistake. If not, then having Nabers instead of a mediocre QB is a big win. I'd have been very happy to draft Penix and for sure this year would be a lot more exciting. But bigger picture and through the lens of the Giants actually being good, I'm not sure it was a massive mistake.
The beauty of it is we'll find out really soon. If the QB we draft in 2025 is good, we'll forget about the 2024 decision regardless of how Penix (or JJM or Nix) turns out. I will eat crow if that happens. I just think it's a rare opportunity to draft someone with superior arm talent without being a top 3 pick. We're not quite bad enough to be picking there.
RE: moving on from a QB after playoff year. I'll say that is definitely the case for the Giants. But historically we've seen it on other teams. The Ravens moved on from Dilfer right after they won a Super Bowl. Because everyone with eyes knew he was a bottleneck for the offense.
To still be in the league leaders in turnovers despite that is incredible.
He got black-listed by the NFL for his behavior here, it is what it is. But he is a better football coach than Brian Daboll and the results here support that.
Surely such a fantastic DC should be able to dominate the collegiate level with such a schematic advantage, right?
How's that going for him? How's it going for Michigan?
It's almost like turnovers are a wildly volatile stat in year-to-year terms and have very little to do with who the defensive coordinator is.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
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(which it would be really hard to be as bad as Daniel Jones has been) you'd still have hope for the future. You could accept losses or imperfect games if there is growth. Jones is who is he is at this point, which has made the last several years that much harder.
Trust me, I hate Daniel Jones. People say "nobody hates Daniel Jones." BS - i fing hate Daniel Jones.
Yeah I have no problem admitting I don't like him. Who cares how good of a person he is; I don't hang out with him. I only watch his bad football play, which only got worse after he strong-armed the FO into paying him $40 million a year.
I don't know any of these guys and I don't need to. Not sure why you would dislike a player who wasn't very good unless he was just a POS person also.
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If the decision was made solely on performance, it would have been made by the Giants long ago.
To the OP, I doubt Nabers feels like he was covered during any play and I wouldn't construe the parsed quote too far out of context of the entire quote. That's just me....
I'm pretty sure Tom Glavine is a cool guy who i would like to play golf with, but i dislike him from his time with the Braves and getting absolutely shelled to cap off the Mets 2007 collapse. We've never said, "I'm sure Michael Rosival is a good guy but..." or "Victor Zambrano is probably a great dad" or "Ray Handley was really great with charitable causes".
Until Jones, we just said we didn't like the guys, even (gasp) that we hated them.
I don't know any of these guys and I don't need to. Not sure why you would dislike a player who wasn't very good unless he was just a POS person also.
I don't know, he's just a teacher's pet/coache's son type of player that puts all the signifiers of being good except on the field.
He also wanted to put the screws to the Giants in the 2023 offseason (hiring a new harder-edged agent) for declining his option, and while I blame Schoen for giving in, he has some balls asking for that money and then going out and playing like trash in his second contract.
How would it be possible to be 4-3 with a completely incompetent GM and coach? Every personnel move has sucked, every coaching move has sucked. I guess we are just assuming that Penix (who i do like) is an immediate top 5 QB?
I haven't said every personnel move sucked. I am saying, and have since this spring, that the team build is completely out of whack.
The timing is all off. This is built to win with Jones. I'm the NFL you don't just "build the roster and then get the QB" because by the time you get the QB the roster you built has come apart.
By the time the team is ready to have someone like Nabers contribute to a meaningful season, we're going to be talking about his impending free agency status and whether it's worth paying him.
I know WRs are getting paid, but look around the league and tell me if that is good policy.
Wide receivers are finishing pieces. If I'm running a team the prime resources are all going to QB/OL/DL, and figure the rest out later. There were several non-QBs I would have picked ahead of Nabers in this draft (Alt, Latu, and Verse off the top of my head to name some).
Nabers is a really, really good player that's played great this year. And his impact has been zero because the team he went to wasn't ready for him, and odds are they won't be again next year.
Now if I asked you "Who has shown more skill in building football teams, Schoen/Daboll or Jim Harbaugh", what's the answer?
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but why would you dislike the guy? I am sure he is trying his best and probably believes every series he is about the turn the corner. He frustrates the shit out of me, but that is because of the idiots that can't evaluate his skills and take the ball out of his hands. He shouldn't ask to get benched.
I don't know any of these guys and I don't need to. Not sure why you would dislike a player who wasn't very good unless he was just a POS person also.
I don't know, he's just a teacher's pet/coache's son type of player that puts all the signifiers of being good except on the field.
He also wanted to put the screws to the Giants in the 2023 offseason (hiring a new harder-edged agent) for declining his option, and while I blame Schoen for giving in, he has some balls asking for that money and then going out and playing like trash in his second contract.
I get the resentment because he is on a scholarship he didn't earn for all of the wrong reasons, but I don't hold it against anyone for trying to get all the money they can.
Jones did the Giants a favor by playing hardball, which should have made it even easier to move on from him. But when the owner of the team is slobbering all over you, why wouldn't you play hardball?
Jones wasn't the problem there. Mara and Schoen were.
Now if I asked you "Who has shown more skill in building football teams, Schoen/Daboll or Jim Harbaugh", what's the answer?
The answer to that question depends on who you are asking. If you asked Schoen and Daboll, they would have told you they had their QB, they had their LT, they just added to both the OL and DL through free agency and trade respectively.
I don't think it was team building philosophy. It was a failure to evaluate that they didn't have a QB. The same mistake they made in 2023 they just made again in 2024.
The more relevant question now is "Has Joe Schoen caught up to Eightshamrocks on his QB evaluation skills?"
I was there yesterday. Nabers was open all of the time. Yes, the OL was pathetic and he often had little time, but DJ is a single read and dump off quarterback. He is a "dumb terminal robot" executing a precise Daboll algorithm. Nothing more.
Naber's brute honesty could not be more refreshing in the midst of the gaslighting nonsense coming from the front office and coaching staff.
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I was there yesterday. Nabers was open all of the time. Yes, the OL was pathetic and he often had little time, but DJ is a single read and dump off quarterback. He is a "dumb terminal robot" executing a precise Daboll algorithm. Nothing more.
Naber's brute honesty could not be more refreshing in the midst of the gaslighting nonsense coming from the front office and coaching staff.
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I was there yesterday. Nabers was open all of the time. Yes, the OL was pathetic and he often had little time, but DJ is a single read and dump off quarterback. He is a "dumb terminal robot" executing a precise Daboll algorithm. Nothing more.
Naber's brute honesty could not be more refreshing in the midst of the gaslighting nonsense coming from the front office and coaching staff.
Mark Sanchez was really laying into the "Jones is not the problem" narrative yesterday by repeatedly saying nobody was open. He even did it on a replay where Nabers clearly found an open spot in the zone.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
"He proved his draft day haters wrong."
Oh, so you're one of ones calling critics of Jones "haters."
Nice of you to show up finally!
He's a s**t quarterback. Use whatever terminology you want, he hasn't proved those who said he was overdrafted wrong. He's completely vindicated his critics.
Anyway, have a nice retirement, Mr. Gettleman.
I have to clarify - I hated the Jones pick. I thought it was a reach and I was ready to move on from him by year 3. I was a hater. However, in my view, he proved me wrong in 2022. I'm just saying to BestFeature, not feel bad for DJ.
He's been a way better pick than Josh Rosen, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, etc.
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Right Nabers - ( New Window )
I was there yesterday. Nabers was open all of the time. Yes, the OL was pathetic and he often had little time, but DJ is a single read and dump off quarterback. He is a "dumb terminal robot" executing a precise Daboll algorithm. Nothing more.
Naber's brute honesty could not be more refreshing in the midst of the gaslighting nonsense coming from the front office and coaching staff.
. Another of Jones’ deficiencies is his slow wind up speed. When he senses the pressure, he can’t flick it out fast enough to negate the pass rush. I think. that’s one scouting lesson that needs to be learned from this debacle. Look for the Rogers-like flick.
It's not like we didn't know this shit when he was drafted. For a long while we've heard that Jones "can make all the throws" but it takes him forever to release the ball because he's got to wind up and crow hop into everything like he's trying to throw out a runner at 3rd from the right field corner.
Has he?
I assume we can all agree that the best outcome from a premium QB draft selection is that you land an elite franchise QB who elevates your franchise for a decade or more. Would anyone dispute that?
Here's the more controversial take - the next best outcome (IMO) from a premium QB draft selection is to fail so quickly and so loudly that there's no disputing that the pick is a bust.
The worst outcome (IMO) is to draft a QB who repeatedly shows just enough to allow those who really, really, really want to believe in that QB to have sufficient glimpses of what could be with a tweak here or an upgrade there, and keep talking themselves into that QB for years.
If we had taken any of the three QBs you listed, I feel pretty confident that the Giants would have at least drafted some other QB since then. If you can't win big, you're better off failing fast (and badly) rather than bleeding out over a decade by way of a thousand papercuts.
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I will still say that the draft day uproar over the pick at the time was so over the top. I wanted him to prove his haters wrong and for a long time thought it was Judge and Garrett too. The last two seasons and especially this season shows if there is a preponderance of evidence that you suck over years, then you probably suck.
Jones has been more successful than many 1st round qb picks. He landed a huge 2nd contract, won a playoff game and has played 6 years in the league. His career isn’t over, he’ll be a backup (or maybe starter) somewhere else. He proved his draft day haters wrong.
"He proved his draft day haters wrong."
Oh, so you're one of ones calling critics of Jones "haters."
Nice of you to show up finally!
He's a s**t quarterback. Use whatever terminology you want, he hasn't proved those who said he was overdrafted wrong. He's completely vindicated his critics.
Anyway, have a nice retirement, Mr. Gettleman.
I have to clarify - I hated the Jones pick. I thought it was a reach and I was ready to move on from him by year 3. I was a hater. However, in my view, he proved me wrong in 2022. I'm just saying to BestFeature, not feel bad for DJ.
He's been a way better pick than Josh Rosen, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, etc.
I don't want to be in the defending Jones business, but that tweet doesn't prove the point.
On the first clip, it's close, but it looks like Slayton is his read. It seems that the actual Jones' mistake was not throwing with anticipation to Slayton.
On the second clip, WDR was clearly his first read and it was in fact open.
On the third clip, Jones is hit about 4 yards before Nabers reaches. Maybe Jones could have read the safety a little better and thrown with anticipation
To still be in the league leaders in turnovers despite that is incredible.
He got black-listed by the NFL for his behavior here, it is what it is. But he is a better football coach than Brian Daboll and the results here support that.
At first I thought Wink was at fault, but as things have developed, I'm not sure anymore. I know this:
- Daboll convinced Kafka to hang on, then undercut him by taking playcalling away.
- Daboll's demeanor, for whatever reason, has drastically changed this season.
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He's been a way better pick than Josh Rosen, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, etc.
Has he?
I assume we can all agree that the best outcome from a premium QB draft selection is that you land an elite franchise QB who elevates your franchise for a decade or more. Would anyone dispute that?
Here's the more controversial take - the next best outcome (IMO) from a premium QB draft selection is to fail so quickly and so loudly that there's no disputing that the pick is a bust.
The worst outcome (IMO) is to draft a QB who repeatedly shows just enough to allow those who really, really, really want to believe in that QB to have sufficient glimpses of what could be with a tweak here or an upgrade there, and keep talking themselves into that QB for years.
If we had taken any of the three QBs you listed, I feel pretty confident that the Giants would have at least drafted some other QB since then. If you can't win big, you're better off failing fast (and badly) rather than bleeding out over a decade by way of a thousand papercuts.
This is not controversial
He's been a way better pick than Josh Rosen, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, etc.
Sure, but those are disaster picks. If he was those players, he would have been gone 3 years ago. It's worse that he lives on the line of mediocre because that's what's been giving him six years of excuses. He's just good enough that you think you can coach him to success.
That's what gets coaches fire.
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He's been a way better pick than Josh Rosen, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, etc.
Has he?
I assume we can all agree that the best outcome from a premium QB draft selection is that you land an elite franchise QB who elevates your franchise for a decade or more. Would anyone dispute that?
Here's the more controversial take - the next best outcome (IMO) from a premium QB draft selection is to fail so quickly and so loudly that there's no disputing that the pick is a bust.
The worst outcome (IMO) is to draft a QB who repeatedly shows just enough to allow those who really, really, really want to believe in that QB to have sufficient glimpses of what could be with a tweak here or an upgrade there, and keep talking themselves into that QB for years.
If we had taken any of the three QBs you listed, I feel pretty confident that the Giants would have at least drafted some other QB since then. If you can't win big, you're better off failing fast (and badly) rather than bleeding out over a decade by way of a thousand papercuts.
This is not controversial
It probably is to the poster who thinks the current DJ scenario is somehow a better outcome than any of the outright busts he listed instead.