It's probably time for Brian Daboll to go. While I like Daboll and believe he has more potential than our previous head coaches—though that’s not a high bar—he hasn’t shown enough to warrant more than one year. With a new quarterback likely coming in 2025, I don’t see a good reason to trust Daboll with developing a rookie QB. If we have another bad season, we can't keep giving him more chances to fix things. Rewarding losing is no way to build a winning culture. One of our biggest issues with Daniel Jones was the misalignment between the QB and the head coach. We stuck with Jones far too long because of poor decisions on that front. Firing Shurmur to hire Judge was a mistake. Shurmur wasn’t great, but he probably got the most out of Jones. If Jones was going to fail, it should’ve happened under Shurmur, so the transition would’ve been cleaner. Instead, Mara locked himself into a bad situation by pairing Jones with an incompetent coaching staff (Judge and Garrett), and Daboll’s success in 2022 might have ended up doing more harm than good.
I’m willing to give Joe Schoen more of a pass, though, since he’s been overhauling the entire scouting and infrastructure of the front office. We’re already starting to see some results, with the 2024 draft looking strong. We’ve made solid free agent signings, like Bobby Okereke and Jermaine Eluemunor, and smart waiver claims, like Jason Pinnock. Plus, we’re in excellent cap shape moving into 2025-2026, with a core foundation of players and a clear upgrade in talent since 2022.
Given Schoen’s internal restructuring, it would be a mistake to tear everything down now. Yes, he’s had some misses, but I think things will only improve. He clearly works hard, is always on the road scouting, and, unlike Gettleman, isn’t a clown.
The smart move would be to part ways with Daboll at the end of this season. I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in someone like Mike Vrabel or Bill Belichick and shifting toward building a defensive-first team. The Giants currently lead the NFL in sacks, and that’s without being in games where opponents are forced to drop back 30-50 times to catch up. That’s impressive. If we keep adding pass rushers and Dexter Lawrence continues playing at a Defensive Player of the Year level, we could have a top 5 defense as early as next season.
What do you think?
Im almost out on Daboll..
100% agree, although I strongly prefer both go:
1. Schoen's drafting record has been terrible if we're being objective.
2. We have an opportunity to align GM-Coach-Quarterback on the same timeline.
Letting these two select our next quarterback only to get shit canned a year or two later probably kicks off another Daniel Jones-esque GM/HC death spiral
This is my $0.02
Give Schoen more time, hire a new HC and QB.
I said after the Minny game Daboll was a larger problem, even larger than the QB. Now he won't bench the QB.....that's an issue. He costs the team with disregard to details.
I'm not saying Lock would come in and do that much better - but you could see the difference in quick release and arm strength just in the fourth quarter.
Going to Lock at 2-5 seems the easy decision.
He threw away 2 picks to move up one spot so he could get Dontae Banks. Moves like that are the kind winning teams make, not teams like the Giants. If Jax took Banks in that spot, move on to the next CB on the board. I wanted Joey Porter Jr, who right now is a better player. Either way, it's not a smart use of resources.
Schoen's record is as least as spotty as Daboll's, he shouldn't get more of a pass.
It’s going on game 8, season 6 and Jones is still going to be our QB….that’s my problem with our GM and coach. Mistake made a year ago however they’re still trying to make it work. Admit it was wrong and move the f on from Jones.
If he gets hurt we are really going to be screwed beyond repair.
Why? Because Daboll coached the team to the playoffs in 2022 with a roster largely assembled of Gettleman's players. And those were key players that led that march.
In other words, Daboll has done his job a helluva lot better than Schoen has done is. It's not even close.
That’s only because the got enough clout to pull that off. What first time HC has that pull?
The fact that he thought he could win with an improved OL and Nabers for Daniel Jones proves that he should go at seasons end.
With Mike Vrabel available or an impressive coordinator like Ben Johnson sounds good right about now.
Why rip up a process that might be working, just because the coach is shitting the bed.
Yes, Schoen fucked up the Jones contract, and Evan Neal's failures have compounded issues, and the Waller trade was a dud, but it was only a 3rd round pick.
I just would hate to have to re-start that process again.
The coach, on the other hand, they always say every seaso is a new season. Players are new every year, that's something that can be recreated faster, especially with a seasoned head coach like Vrabal or BB.
I think those are justifications for Schoen. There is no justifications for linking Daboll with a new QB. Because you can't keep Daboll for more than 1 season, and if the new QB's rookie season is a dud, you're restarting the clock again.
Jones shouldn't play another snap. This needs to be a mandate from the top and it needs to be publicly stated and then anyone that feels opposite should resign.
I don't care who he hired or what he built. In three years on the job this team's roster is not appreciably better than when he got here. I'm not keeping him despite all that because he managed to find Tyrone Tracey.
He's a very good QB coach who need his own guy to develop
Let him do what he's best at
He's a very good QB coach who need his own guy to develop
Let him do what he's best at
Let him be a QB coach for another team then.
He just got outcoached for like the umpteenth time by Nick Sirianni. Let that sink in.
Such a funny reference. Young Schoen definitely got it...
Im almost out on Daboll..
What has Schoen done that you liked?
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They inherited Jones and somehow Daboll got him playing well in 2022.
He's a very good QB coach who need his own guy to develop
Let him do what he's best at
Let him be a QB coach for another team then.
He just got outcoached for like the umpteenth time by Nick Sirianni. Let that sink in.
How I feel about it.
Kevin O'Connell said the team wasn't prepared in Week 1. I'm sure Daboll is a good X's and O's guy, but he hasn't proven to be a good HC otherwise.
Look at this draft, comparatively.
I just think it's too soon to cut bait on the man. Rookie GMs are rookies. I don't think he's been awful.
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They inherited Jones and somehow Daboll got him playing well in 2022.
He's a very good QB coach who need his own guy to develop
Let him do what he's best at
Let him be a QB coach for another team then.
He just got outcoached for like the umpteenth time by Nick Sirianni. Let that sink in.
How I feel about it.
Kevin O'Connell said the team wasn't prepared in Week 1. I'm sure Daboll is a good X's and O's guy, but he hasn't proven to be a good HC otherwise.
Except winning coach of the Year in 2022
Did he upgrade the team with better starters and backups?Then where are the results? It's not translating into better performance on the field nor the standings. We have played everybody in the division at this point...how'd we do?
Having good drafts isn't enough. He has to be able to transform the team and have drafts better than our competition. Otherwise it feels like we are standing still.
Sometimes GMs change out the QB because they have the most impact on the game/roster. But they don't seem to want to do that here.
Look at this draft, comparatively.
I just think it's too soon to cut bait on the man. Rookie GMs are rookies. I don't think he's been awful.
Schoen said himself he had already done a great deal of work on player evals before coming in place for that first draft.
1. You start COMPLETELY from scratch, again! Not one player on the team can be used to build around.
2. considering the track record, John is most likely to blow the GM hire- again! Which will mean the HC stinks as well.
Round and round we go.
I see NO solution!
1. You start COMPLETELY from scratch, again! Not one player on the team can be used to build around.
2. considering the track record, John is most likely to blow the GM hire- again! Which will mean the HC stinks as well.
Round and round we go.
I see NO solution!
What are you afraid of? Throwing out the baby with the bath water?
There is no baby here. It's all bath water.
HC is the more critical piece. Someone who places a high priority on a top run game (with RB's) and great D on the other side. Very strong OL/front 7 play as the foundation.
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They both stay or both go. No split tickets .
100% agree, although I strongly prefer both go:
1. Schoen's drafting record has been terrible if we're being objective.
2. We have an opportunity to align GM-Coach-Quarterback on the same timeline.
Letting these two select our next quarterback only to get shit canned a year or two later probably kicks off another Daniel Jones-esque GM/HC death spiral
The 2022 and 2023 drafts look pretty bad, but the 2024 draft looks like one of those *really* good ones. 2007 level.
HC is the more critical piece. Someone who places a high priority on a top run game (with RB's) and great D on the other side. Very strong OL/front 7 play as the foundation.
Vince Lombardi?
Just get a new QB.
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is that he's not a program builder. Can you imagine Parcells or Coughlin accepting Daniel Jones at quarterback? They would push back or they would walk regardless of where they appear in the org chart.
That’s only because the got enough clout to pull that off. What first time HC has that pull?
Plenty of first time HCs have the clout to bench or remove a useless QB.
Daniel Jones is just protected for some unknown reason as if he's accomplished things for this franchise.
Agree 100%
They both need to go.
Look at this draft, comparatively.
I just think it's too soon to cut bait on the man. Rookie GMs are rookies. I don't think he's been awful.
“Not awful”- what the Giants now strive for.
1. You start COMPLETELY from scratch, again! Not one player on the team can be used to build around.
2. considering the track record, John is most likely to blow the GM hire- again! Which will mean the HC stinks as well.
Round and round we go.
I see NO solution!
So, don’t fire the people who are bad at their job because there’s a chance the next people will also be bad? Bold strategy.