I Think They Are Two Cycles Away

There is a zero percent chance Schoen resigns. If he's gone, it's because he got fired

If Mara fires Daboll from under him, and hires Belichick above him, I think they put him in a situation that effectively forces him to quit.

to hire 73 year old, crappy "GM" BB, he deserves what he gets.

In comment 16656008 christian said:

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If Mara fires Daboll from under him, and hires Belichick above him, I think they put him in a situation that effectively forces him to quit.

Is there any precedent for a GM resigning when it wasn't just a way to save face from being fired (ie Coughlin)?

soak and spin?

Either Cowden or Brown are promoted to GM. Bowen retained as DC.

he's just AN option with head coaching experience, that is available AND has ties to management (Cowden).
With the issues in this organization, he will fail also.

BBI folks in the same camp as I am when it comes to lil Bill.

I'm out on him. I don't know how effective he would be at this point as an NFL coach, nor do I know how great he would be minus TB12.

I just can't buy into him being the savior for this franchise.

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anyone. They give Schoen/Daboll more time, dump Jones, and have another draft. I continue to believe the talent level on this team is much better than 2 years ago, especially on D, and a legitimate NFL QB would make a dramatic change to the offense. Our WR corp are getting open, and the OL is better, it is Jones holding them back.

i think our next one will be belichick or vrabel and there's a lot more reason to believe in either of them >>>>> than anyone else they've hired since Coughlin.

Probably.

Gives the giants the best chance to draft Arch Manning, cause Jones is very capable of going 0-17 in ‘25. And Daboll is very capable of watching 17 more game tapes like he did today….maybe create an animatronic Daboll to handle all his pressers with pre recorded sayings….with “We have to do better” as every answer.

I don't think they fire both Schoen and Daboll this offseason. I think Daboll could be in trouble.

I think this organization needs a veteran head coach that can hopefully establish a culture that makes sense in the northeast in the winter and in a league where the passing game is starting to recede: size and power on the lines, good kicking game, and intelligent play from the quarterback.

However, the coach had to be someone that can work within the antiquated structure the Maras have in place. That's going to eliminate Belichick and Vrabel, and it's going to really in some unsexy candidates that are going to piss fans off.

Names to look out for of the top of my head: Kevin Stefanski (if fired from Cleveland), Mike McCarthy (if fired from Dallas), Arthur Smith, Vic Fangio, Jim Schwartz.

I don't want to see Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik, or any other first time sexy name. This is not the organization to go to to learn how to become a head coach.

In comment 16656407 Go Terps said:

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I don't think they fire both Schoen and Daboll this offseason. I think Daboll could be in trouble. I think this organization needs a veteran head coach that can hopefully establish a culture that makes sense in the northeast in the winter and in a league where the passing game is starting to recede: size and power on the lines, good kicking game, and intelligent play from the quarterback. However, the coach had to be someone that can work within the antiquated structure the Maras have in place. That's going to eliminate Belichick and Vrabel, and it's going to really in some unsexy candidates that are going to piss fans off. Names to look out for of the top of my head: Kevin Stefanski (if fired from Cleveland), Mike McCarthy (if fired from Dallas), Arthur Smith, Vic Fangio, Jim Schwartz. I don't want to see Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik, or any other first time sexy name. This is not the organization to go to to learn how to become a head coach.

I don't think the Giants want McCarthy. Vrabel I could see taking it as he and Cowden got along in Tennessee and one of the fights that caused his departure is that he wanted Cowden to remain the GM rather than the team looking outside of the organization. I do not mind Ben Johnson as I was high on Dan Campbell when he became available.

Belichick, the needle ain't moving. The game has passed him by. If they're making a change, then I'd rather go with Vrabel.

and he is clearly one of the 2 or 3 best coaches of all time. But, I think it would be insane to hire him now. He is old, for one. More importantly, he wants total control and his track record as a GM is not good. I would pass.

In comment 16656497 Matt M. said:

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and he is clearly one of the 2 or 3 best coaches of all time. But, I think it would be insane to hire him now. He is old, for one. More importantly, he wants total control and his track record as a GM is not good. I would pass.

+1
In reference to Bill's track record as a GM, "not good" is being very kind.

No chance.

In comment 16656414 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 16656407 Go Terps said: Quote: I don't think they fire both Schoen and Daboll this offseason. I think Daboll could be in trouble. I think this organization needs a veteran head coach that can hopefully establish a culture that makes sense in the northeast in the winter and in a league where the passing game is starting to recede: size and power on the lines, good kicking game, and intelligent play from the quarterback. However, the coach had to be someone that can work within the antiquated structure the Maras have in place. That's going to eliminate Belichick and Vrabel, and it's going to really in some unsexy candidates that are going to piss fans off. Names to look out for of the top of my head: Kevin Stefanski (if fired from Cleveland), Mike McCarthy (if fired from Dallas), Arthur Smith, Vic Fangio, Jim Schwartz. I don't want to see Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik, or any other first time sexy name. This is not the organization to go to to learn how to become a head coach. I don't think the Giants want McCarthy. Vrabel I could see taking it as he and Cowden got along in Tennessee and one of the fights that caused his departure is that he wanted Cowden to remain the GM rather than the team looking outside of the organization. I do not mind Ben Johnson as I was high on Dan Campbell when he became available.

I feel Johnson is appealing too but I do agree that the Giants may not be the right team to learn how to be a head coach.

If he comes here, that will probably happen during his 4th season. Maybe 5th, if things don't go well.

He turned jobs down last year. This is right near the bottom when it comes to NFL jobs.

I think if the Giants were to fire Daboll, and then install an executive above him, Schoen and the Giants would negotiate an exit.

But I could see Mara wanting to try and make things work with Schoen.

Hope one of them is the guy.