Why not start Cutlets

we can't let Daniel Jones in because we are not winning first and secondly he should be injury free at the end of season

we can't play DeVito because we may win some games and we need to lose out... sorry (see Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels)

we can play Lock but he can give us a chance to win but since I'm not feeling it with him, he is the best choice for OUR future

And given how this team has operated, avoiding hurting DJ's feelings is the most important thing

1-New England (possible trade up partner?)
2-Carolina (will seek a new QB)
3- Cleveland (will seek a new QB)
4-Tennessee (will seek a new QB)
5-NY jets (will seek a new QB)
6- New Orleans (will seek a new QB)
7- Jacksonville (will draft OL or OFF to help Trevor)
8- Las Vegas (will see a new QB)
9- NY Giants (right now, our position is awful...)

Mark November 12th down on your calendar as the day of reckoning.

In comment 16656014 charles355 said:

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1-New England (possible trade up partner?) 2-Carolina (will seek a new QB) 3- Cleveland (will seek a new QB) 4-Tennessee (will seek a new QB) 5-NY jets (will seek a new QB) 6- New Orleans (will seek a new QB) 7- Jacksonville (will draft OL or OFF to help Trevor) 8- Las Vegas (will see a new QB) 9- NY Giants (right now, our position is awful...)

We will vault into the top 3-4 over the next month+. Then win enough meaningless games at the end of the season to knock us out of qb contention

yep...

but why not just trade Dexter Lawrence for a haul of 2 number 1's with Detroit (their 2025 and 2026 #1's). Or trade Ojuilari with him to Detroit and leverage in a 3rd rd pick for 2026 with the haul. You guys who want to tank don't really want to lose. You just want to improve the team specifically at QB and soon, even though we have needs on the DL next to Dex, at CB1 and more OL help along with strengthening other parts of the roster. Look it sucks and it will be hard to get a QB in the draft when we are picking 9th. And more losses makes it more likely to pick higher than 9th. But there are other ways to find QB help without tanking which I think is a lousy idea. To find a middle of the road or better QB, something that clearly Jones has proven he is not, you can trade with teams for their aging QB (Stafford, Cousins), you can try a failed former high rd pick like Darnold, Derek Carr, Mayfield type, you can hire a decent enough bridge guy while drafting a developmental QB in the second or third round...or you can tank and pray the losses are enough to be worse than others using a strategy of trying to lose to get the best QB of this upcoming drafts prospects. I hate the later strategy frankly and would not do it. You must keep looking for the top QB's out there and you must draft them more frequently than we have since we drafted Jones. But you dont have to push all the losses so we can make the next draft be the end all be all. Who knows if there is a cant miss guy in this upcoming QB group. You are better off strengthening the team while always being on the hunt for a QB prospect you love in the draft while ensuring you have at least adequate QB play while you are on the hunt

I assume based on his #3 depth chart status, the NYG view him as a backup not franchise talent. Td’s 3 wins last year arguably hurt the NYG more than it helped. TD wins in 2024 would likely have the same result.

are prejudiced against Italians. Imagine that, in this day and age, prejudiced against Italians.

He is not a good QB and has no business being in an NFL game

In comment 16656047 MojoEd said:

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I assume based on his #3 depth chart status, the NYG view him as a backup not franchise talent. Td’s 3 wins last year arguably hurt the NYG more than it helped. TD wins in 2024 would likely have the same result.

Perhaps. But I have a feeling starting TD this year will have a ripple effect and most of the team will be quiet quitting

In comment 16656063 larryflower37 said:

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He is not a good QB and has no business being in an NFL game

If his name was John Smith and he was from Nebraska, no one here would give a shit about him. The minute Tyrod was hale and hearty last season, DeVito sat and Tyrod is a journeyman backup. Granted, Devito is a better passer than Jones, so is Drew Lock for that matter, but that is a pretty low bar.

Let's assume, Schoen and Daboll are still here come draft time. What do they give away for a pick high enough to get a qb? Do they tried and pull a Minnesota and give a day 2 or 3 pick for someone's failed former #1, like Wilson in Denver? Sign a free agent like Fields, Darnold or Wilson?

In comment 16656063 larryflower37 said:

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He is not a good QB and has no business being in an NFL game

Exactly. It’s in the Giants’ best interest to not win another game this year (and keep Jones healthy). Believe me, it hurts to feel this way. Last season, I was happy when the Giants went on that mini-run and even beat Philly in the finale. I brooded over the losses to the Jets and Rams.
In retrospect, I realize it would have been much better to be in position to draft Daniels or Maye. We’ve already seen Daniels take off. Maye sure looked very promising despite the loss yesterday. He made some sick throws we haven’t seen from JD since his rookie year debut against Tampa. Even in DJ’s good performance against Minny in that wildcard game win, he didn’t make the impressive deep throws Maye did yesterday.
We missed the boat in the last draft and who knows if there’s a worthy QB in the next one. But if not, I’d prefer the Giants be in the best possible position to fill one of several important needs.

In comment 16656063 larryflower37 said:

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He is not a good QB and has no business being in an NFL game

Probably true.

We have reached the point where TDV might be the lesser of two evils. DJ is going to get hurt and then the Giants will be on the hook for his salary for 2025. It is imperative they part ways with DJ, which means he has to be on the bench. I assume Lock is first off the bench but I think TDV can get on the field, sure, why not.

In comment 16656014 charles355 said:

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1-New England (possible trade up partner?) 2-Carolina (will seek a new QB) 3- Cleveland (will seek a new QB) 4-Tennessee (will seek a new QB) 5-NY jets (will seek a new QB) 6- New Orleans (will seek a new QB) 7- Jacksonville (will draft OL or OFF to help Trevor) 8- Las Vegas (will see a new QB) 9- NY Giants (right now, our position is awful...)

We couldn't go from #6 to #3 this year with the current braintrust at the helm. So coming up from #9 will be near impossible.

so what is the point?

In comment 16656070 PepperJ52 said:

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In comment 16656047 MojoEd said: Quote: I assume based on his #3 depth chart status, the NYG view him as a backup not franchise talent. Td’s 3 wins last year arguably hurt the NYG more than it helped. TD wins in 2024 would likely have the same result. Perhaps. But I have a feeling starting TD this year will have a ripple effect and most of the team will be quiet quitting

I'd argue the opposite. Jones inspires no one. Maybe a few players might play if there's a change at QB.