1) He's an idiot.
2) He genuinely believes that Jones is the best QB on this roster-quite an indictment on Mr. Schoen-& he's desperate for wins to save his ass.
3) He's waiting until the bye to make a change, giving Lock or DeVito more time to get up to speed.
4) He's been told-directly or indirectly-that John doesn't want Jones benched while the team is technically still in the playoff hunt, even though we all know this season is DOA.
5) Something else, like Daboll not wanting to hurt eightshamrocks feelings. But even yesterday broke eightshamrocks so that's no longer an excuse.
Perhaps it's a combination of all five. Or something I didn't list. I just find it so odd/frustrating that Daboll is insistent on Jones remaining the starter. I just don't get it. The offense is broken, we're averaging like 15 PPG, & we all know that Jones sucks. To quote Lombardi in that famous NFL Films clip, 'What the hell's going on out here?' To keep trotting Jones out there & to hope against hope things change...it's insanity.
Guys, you have to be kidding me by now?...
To some, it spells the more we lose with this HC further cements to us we need a better HC.
But, he didn't speak up when the QB room was brought up by Schoen during HK. He just nodded and said nothing.
But, he didn't speak up when the QB room was brought up by Schoen during HK. He just nodded and said nothing.
I can't believe that the essential conversations regarding Jones were had in front of the cameras on Hard Knocks.
I do think that both GM and Coach will get to pick their quarterback in the spring and make a go of it.
In the mean time, Daboll is operating under the directions coming from on high.
Sucks because I thought he was "that hero"
This situation feels like #4 with Mara roaming the halls of 1925 Giants Way stressing the importance of still being mathematically alive.
He still believes in the magic carpet ride and that there is always a chance the season turns into one...
Obviously you're not familiar with the Mara's body of work over the last several decades.
I do think another stinker by Jones and he will be fed up and put Lock in.
The reality is that once you decide to bench Jones, you can't really go back on that decision. You have to be committed to never going back to him as the presumed starter - which may not be smart because there isn't a QB on the roster who is worth committing to beyond this season.
But I do think ownership has a strong opinion about Jones, and Daboll and Schoen may have been signaled that they would not be "penalized" for sticking with Jones.
If he was that guy Barkley would still be a Giant the Daboll hive wants to blame everything on Mara.
That was because of the fan backlash. Benching Jones would be applauded, unlike the Eli situation
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And I think he did this already - when he chose Eli over winning. McAdoo, for all of his flaws as a head coach, did correctly recognize that we needed to try something different and gave Geno Smith a shot. Both the head coach and GM lost their jobs immediately just for daring to shake things up at the QB position.
That was because of the fan backlash. Benching Jones would be applauded, unlike the Eli situation
Also because he was benched for Geno Smith, which at the time seemed useless and pointless. If it had been for David Webb no one would've complained.
So it makes no sense.
And if Mara had half a brain he would tell Daboll to sit Jones the rest of the year¹
We can lose just as easily with Lock or DeVito at qb as we can with Jones
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And I think he did this already - when he chose Eli over winning. McAdoo, for all of his flaws as a head coach, did correctly recognize that we needed to try something different and gave Geno Smith a shot. Both the head coach and GM lost their jobs immediately just for daring to shake things up at the QB position.
That was because of the fan backlash. Benching Jones would be applauded, unlike the Eli situation
Also because he was benched for Geno Smith, which at the time seemed useless and pointless. If it had been for David Webb no one would've complained.
Regardless of what his exact reasoning was, the point is that the coach and GM were trying to find a way to win more games immediately, and Mara responded by firing them. I don't believe he always puts winning first as suggested.
Hypnosis?
Spite?
They all make as much sense as performance.
More and more, Jones reminds me of the choir boy coach's kid who did all the things right at training and practice but couldn't do it at full speed in a game, yet was firmly entrenched due to org structure.
I'm thinking along these lines as well. Mara has to be shown how bad Jones is, and for justification to both bench him and then cut ties with him after the season.
But at least adding Nabers sets up the next QB.
Lock couldn't have looked much worse when his number got called. Gotta be ready. But with 3 more losses you make a move after the bye regardless.
You're waving the white flag with Jones. There's a reason the whole team looked better with devito last year because he brings some energy.
How can Lock or DeVito be a bigger white flag than Jones?
But at least adding Nabers sets up the next QB.
Lock couldn't have looked much worse when his number got called. Gotta be ready. But with 3 more losses you make a move after the bye regardless.
Drake Maye wasn't the only QB available in the offseason, and trading for that pick was always the longest of long shots with the Patriots also desperately in need of a QB.
I'm tired of hearing people saying they tried to trade for Maye. That had the same chance of success as if I asked Alexandra Daddario to rub her tits in my face.
Their QB acquisition last year was Drew Lock. Not JJM, Penix or Nix. Not a developmental project QB like Pratt, Milton, Rattler, etc. Not a potential reclamation like Sam Darnold. Not Russell Wilson for basically nothing. Not one other goddamn QB.
They may not be married to Jones but they've sure as shit been loyal to him.
I do not fault Daboll for playing Jones. I do fault him for questionable play calling and game planning
I do not fault Daboll for playing Jones. I do fault him for questionable play calling and game planning
No, but they also don't have a clause in their contract that will negatively impact the future. Jones does.
There is no benefit to continue starting Daniel Jones
I'm tired of hearing people saying they tried to trade for Maye. That had the same chance of success as if I asked Alexandra Daddario to rub her tits in my face.
Me, too. There are many degrees of trying. And I think Schoen was only interested if he could pull the wool over Eliot Wolf's eyes to get a favorable deal.
If you really want a QB in the draft, you figure it out.
Alas, too many fans, especially on this board, give Schoen credit for trying. He was window shopping - at best.