Been reading here for years and haven’t had a handle in a while. I wanted to see if anyone knows where to find All 22 tape for games this season? Just curious to watch objectively to see where the problem truly lies. Especially, with Jones and the offense. I saw several open receivers under thrown or not seen in the Dallas game, but I seem to be seeing this mentioned in every game more often than I am seeing it. Then I hear about Daboll purposely trotting Jones out to “expose his weaknesses”. However, I don’t see deep route combinations coming open or the time still (especially with Thomas out now) to look past the first read or develop deep plays.
Just want to see for myself that this is repeatedly happening. Daboll doesn’t seem to have an answer calling plays or coaching the team. We cannot score and he seems to be uninvolved during games with players like Banks loafing and Singletary fumbling. They just get put right back out there. Coughlin would never do that, even with star players. Schoen’s draft picks have almost all flopped so far except for the promise Nabers has shown and the jury being out on the other rookies.
I want to win (hence the handle) and don’t know at this point if Jones will be here next year, but does he deserve so much blame when Schoen and Daboll seem incompetent? I just want to watch these receivers of ours sprinting open and going unseen when they are also second in the league in drops. I am being objective with the losing and offensive ineptitude, though I have been a Jones supporter longer than most here. Nabers says he was open all game last week. I want to see this for myself.
I personally am sick of Schoen and Daboll. They should get no credit for Josh Allen coming of age when he is known for breaking out of sacks and converting on broken plays. I want to see if Jones is actually incapable of running the deep passing game, or if we don’t have one due to coaching and personnel. If someone can post clips or a link to the All 22 for fans who are not at the games to see the whole field, it would be greatly appreciated!
Give it an honest watch.
You'll what I mean regarding Jones locking onto his first read and throwing regardless.
And open targets further downfield.
But, If you've been a Jones supporter this long, you may not see it.
Give it an honest watch.
You'll what I mean regarding Jones locking onto his first read and throwing regardless.
And open targets further downfield.
But, If you've been a Jones supporter this long, you may not see it.
Obviously not, if I’m asking where to find the tape from this season. The only Bengals All 22 I can find is from Talkin’ Giants from 2020. No need to insult. I’ve seen the good and the bad. Eli had his moments as well and is a hero in NY. I’m wanting to see it objectively to formulate an opinion instead of making Jones the scapegoat every single time. Some people have decided to be a critic and hated him from the moment he was drafted, which isn’t rational either for a Giants fan. I was giving my point of view, but also asking a simple question as to where I can find this tape. I guess saying that I’ve tried to stand behind our QB makes me a scapegoat too. Do you want Schoen and Daboll to pick another QB after giving Jones the bag? Let’s be real here. The contract isn’t Jones fault either.
Wow. They really have a monopoly on everything for watching the game. I’m not going to pay for that. I figured the people saying these things every week one here had watched it and would be eager to show the glaring proof of this since you can’t really see the whole field on TV. Maybe someone has some clips. Unless the NFL won’t allow it to be shown anywhere else like they do with games.
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Give it an honest watch.
You'll what I mean regarding Jones locking onto his first read and throwing regardless.
And open targets further downfield.
But, If you've been a Jones supporter this long, you may not see it.
Obviously not, if I’m asking where to find the tape from this season. The only Bengals All 22 I can find is from Talkin’ Giants from 2020. No need to insult. I’ve seen the good and the bad. Eli had his moments as well and is a hero in NY. I’m wanting to see it objectively to formulate an opinion instead of making Jones the scapegoat every single time. Some people have decided to be a critic and hated him from the moment he was drafted, which isn’t rational either for a Giants fan. I was giving my point of view, but also asking a simple question as to where I can find this tape. I guess saying that I’ve tried to stand behind our QB makes me a scapegoat too. Do you want Schoen and Daboll to pick another QB after giving Jones the bag? Let’s be real here. The contract isn’t Jones fault either.
Nothing personal against you or Jones.
However you seem to have your mind made up already.
And I don't blame Jones for getting paid. However him and his contract is hurting this team.
I'm not in full bloom love with either Schoen or Daboll. However it's difficult to Judge Daboll with Jones at the helm IMO. He's far from perfect, but he's working with a NFL strike scrub fill-in for a QB.
Thank you. I did watch this, but they mostly talked and only looked at about 7-8 plays. In those plays, I saw no time and no one open, which is why I wanted to see the bigger picture.
Thank you. I did watch this, but they mostly talked and only looked at about 7-8 plays. In those plays, I saw no time and no one open, which is why I wanted to see the bigger picture.
Thank you. I did watch this, but they mostly talked and only looked at about 7-8 plays. In those plays, I saw no time and no one open, which is why I wanted to see the bigger picture.
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Give it an honest watch.
You'll what I mean regarding Jones locking onto his first read and throwing regardless.
And open targets further downfield.
But, If you've been a Jones supporter this long, you may not see it.
Obviously not, if I’m asking where to find the tape from this season. The only Bengals All 22 I can find is from Talkin’ Giants from 2020. No need to insult. I’ve seen the good and the bad. Eli had his moments as well and is a hero in NY. I’m wanting to see it objectively to formulate an opinion instead of making Jones the scapegoat every single time. Some people have decided to be a critic and hated him from the moment he was drafted, which isn’t rational either for a Giants fan. I was giving my point of view, but also asking a simple question as to where I can find this tape. I guess saying that I’ve tried to stand behind our QB makes me a scapegoat too. Do you want Schoen and Daboll to pick another QB after giving Jones the bag? Let’s be real here. The contract isn’t Jones fault either.
Nothing personal against you or Jones.
However you seem to have your mind made up already.
And I don't blame Jones for getting paid. However him and his contract is hurting this team.
I'm not in full bloom love with either Schoen or Daboll. However it's difficult to Judge Daboll with Jones at the helm IMO. He's far from perfect, but he's working with a NFL strike scrub fill-in for a QB.
I’m literally trying to convince myself Jones is not the guy because of the losing, but I’m not seeing many opportunities for him in this offense and think personnel and coaching are just as bad if not worse than the QB play.
I’m literally trying to convince myself Jones is not the guy because of the losing, but I’m not seeing many opportunities for him in this offense and think personnel and coaching are just as bad if not worse than the QB play.
Questions:
1) Why are you insisting on proving that Jones isn't the guy rather than proving that he is?
2) What evidence led you to the conclusion you already have reached that personnel and coaching are to blame?
3) What qualifies you to break down All-22 footage to arrive at any conclusion?
Do they have any methods for customers to pay in shamrocks?
Attica! Attica!
Watch other QBs play and the differences should be apparent.
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I’m literally trying to convince myself Jones is not the guy because of the losing, but I’m not seeing many opportunities for him in this offense and think personnel and coaching are just as bad if not worse than the QB play.
Questions:
1) Why are you insisting on proving that Jones isn't the guy rather than proving that he is?
2) What evidence led you to the conclusion you already have reached that personnel and coaching are to blame?
3) What qualifies you to break down All-22 footage to arrive at any conclusion?
I have nothing to prove to you. I’ve read this site for a long time and haven’t posted in about 5 years due to the vitriol and bickering amongst many posters here. I wanted to see if there was a free way to watch this to formulate my own opinion based on the things being said here that cannot be seen on TV. I also gave my current opinion on the state of things. Like I said, I have been a Jones supporter, but have seen that everyone deserves some blame. It would be unwarranted to say that Jones is missing out on big plays down field 10 times a game when I can’t see it for myself. There is nothing you have to gain from questioning me either as if you are qualified. Are you a scout? Our current scouts aren’t doing so hot, so who knows? Maybe you should write a letter and compete for a job at 1925 Giants Way.
To answer your questions:
1) Jones has had terrible teams and coaches and I want him to be the guy out scouts thought he was. But we are losing currently for many reasons.
2) Look at Schoen’s drafts along with off-season cuts and trades. Most have sucked. Daboll is not conducting the offense well or the team in general.
3) Please see above.
And I haven't checked how far back you can go, but previous seasons are available as well.
But for just Giants all-22 yeah that could be too much $.
Are you OP’s proxy or did you forget which handle you were logged into?
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I’m literally trying to convince myself Jones is not the guy because of the losing, but I’m not seeing many opportunities for him in this offense and think personnel and coaching are just as bad if not worse than the QB play.
Questions:
1) Why are you insisting on proving that Jones isn't the guy rather than proving that he is?
2) What evidence led you to the conclusion you already have reached that personnel and coaching are to blame?
3) What qualifies you to break down All-22 footage to arrive at any conclusion?
I have nothing to prove to you. I’ve read this site for a long time and haven’t posted in about 5 years due to the vitriol and bickering amongst many posters here. I wanted to see if there was a free way to watch this to formulate my own opinion based on the things being said here that cannot be seen on TV. I also gave my current opinion on the state of things. Like I said, I have been a Jones supporter, but have seen that everyone deserves some blame. It would be unwarranted to say that Jones is missing out on big plays down field 10 times a game when I can’t see it for myself. There is nothing you have to gain from questioning me either as if you are qualified. Are you a scout? Our current scouts aren’t doing so hot, so who knows? Maybe you should write a letter and compete for a job at 1925 Giants Way.
To answer your questions:
1) Jones has had terrible teams and coaches and I want him to be the guy out scouts thought he was. But we are losing currently for many reasons.
2) Look at Schoen’s drafts along with off-season cuts and trades. Most have sucked. Daboll is not conducting the offense well or the team in general.
3) Please see above.
So more excuses for Jones. Keep on keeping on man. You’ll never be convinced either way.
And I haven't checked how far back you can go, but previous seasons are available as well.
But for just Giants all-22 yeah that could be too much $.
Good to know. I may do it. Not that bad, but I thought there may be another way. Knowing that now, I’ll look into it. I just wanted to know and other people to know if they were wondering where to find it. Thank you.
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I’m literally trying to convince myself Jones is not the guy because of the losing, but I’m not seeing many opportunities for him in this offense and think personnel and coaching are just as bad if not worse than the QB play.
Questions:
1) Why are you insisting on proving that Jones isn't the guy rather than proving that he is?
2) What evidence led you to the conclusion you already have reached that personnel and coaching are to blame?
3) What qualifies you to break down All-22 footage to arrive at any conclusion?
I have nothing to prove to you. I’ve read this site for a long time and haven’t posted in about 5 years due to the vitriol and bickering amongst many posters here. I wanted to see if there was a free way to watch this to formulate my own opinion based on the things being said here that cannot be seen on TV. I also gave my current opinion on the state of things. Like I said, I have been a Jones supporter, but have seen that everyone deserves some blame. It would be unwarranted to say that Jones is missing out on big plays down field 10 times a game when I can’t see it for myself. There is nothing you have to gain from questioning me either as if you are qualified. Are you a scout? Our current scouts aren’t doing so hot, so who knows? Maybe you should write a letter and compete for a job at 1925 Giants Way.
To answer your questions:
1) Jones has had terrible teams and coaches and I want him to be the guy out scouts thought he was. But we are losing currently for many reasons.
2) Look at Schoen’s drafts along with off-season cuts and trades. Most have sucked. Daboll is not conducting the offense well or the team in general.
3) Please see above.
So more excuses for Jones. Keep on keeping on man. You’ll never be convinced either way.
Whatever. Thanks for the thoughtful responses. This wasn’t another bash or support Jones thread. It’s very objective. Just wanted a different angle of the offense. It’s not up to you or me. Support the coach and GM who thought he was worth the money. It’s a lose, lose. Just wanted to know if fans could view this and open a discussion. Now I know. Thank you.
Watch other QBs play and the differences should be apparent.
A lot of “franchise QBs” have not had great numbers this year. Defenses are playing more Cover 2 and it is up to coaches to strategize. I believe our problems are a mix of many things. Just wanted to see this angle of film. May pay for it now that I know it’s available. We will likely move on anyway so GM and coach can save their jobs and have a fresh start. They signed him though. So there it’s hard to support anyone involved if you feel he’s that bad. Maybe we’ll tear it all down. But what do we know anyway? Appreciate the comment.
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Getting defensive because someone wants to view a tape . Asking if someone is qualified? Really.
Are you OP’s proxy or did you forget which handle you were logged into?
Hahahaha they all out themselves eventually - it's just not usually this quick.
So more excuses for Jones. Keep on keeping on man. You’ll never be convinced either way.
Whatever. Thanks for the thoughtful responses. This wasn’t another bash or support Jones thread. It’s very objective. Just wanted a different angle of the offense. It’s not up to you or me. Support the coach and GM who thought he was worth the money. It’s a lose, lose. Just wanted to know if fans could view this and open a discussion. Now I know. Thank you.
Schoen and Daboll can head right on out the door with Jones as far as I’m concerned.
We’ve had this discussion about Jones every week for six years, quite often supported by video of people breaking down film. Sy, for one, along with Big Blue Banter, JT O’Sullivan, Kurt Warner, etc.
There’s nothing stopping you from plunking down $20 for a month of NFL+ and doing the video study yourself to reach whatever conclusion you want to reach. If you want a buck to get you started let me know.
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Getting defensive because someone wants to view a tape . Asking if someone is qualified? Really.
Are you OP’s proxy or did you forget which handle you were logged into?
Hahahaha they all out themselves eventually - it's just not usually this quick.
Duperrific
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All 22 as part of its Permiere+ package - $14.99/mo or $99.99/yr.
Do they have any methods for customers to pay in shamrocks?
Sure, but only in eights!
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Jones often goes first read, and often misses open receivers downfield or makes an inaccurate throw. Why are DBs constantly able to crash down on where the pass is thrown? Because they can read his eyes and pickup on tendencies in film study, it's not rocket science. They're sitting back in zone, Jones picks targets often ten yards or less within the LOS, he throws it to them and they get walloped. His accuracy at 15 yards or more has been really poor, he's virtually no threat vertically. To top it off, he's not the same runner yet that he was before the ACL, and his low confidence mode is sinking lower each week.
Watch other QBs play and the differences should be apparent.
A lot of “franchise QBs” have not had great numbers this year. Defenses are playing more Cover 2 and it is up to coaches to strategize. I believe our problems are a mix of many things. Just wanted to see this angle of film. May pay for it now that I know it’s available. We will likely move on anyway so GM and coach can save their jobs and have a fresh start. They signed him though. So there it’s hard to support anyone involved if you feel he’s that bad. Maybe we’ll tear it all down. But what do we know anyway? Appreciate the comment.
Jones has NEVER had great numbers. Teams don’t play cover 2 against the Giants because teams know Jones won’t throw deep. You don’t need all 22 to see that. JonC was 100% correct, teams play zone, keep the WR’s in front of them, and crash down hard as soon as Jones starts his windup. He’s a failed experiment, it is time to move on.
OK, this is pretty funny. Nice try dupe.
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Getting defensive because someone wants to view a tape . Asking if someone is qualified? Really.
OK, this is pretty funny. Nice try dupe.
I had legitimate points. I have been reading on this site for over 15 years. This is my only account. You are being trolled and fooling yourselves. Anyway, if anyone has watched the open receivers live or on the All 22, please provide some insight. Paying for the All 22 would be easier than fending off you people. Thank you.
They do but you have to get NFL+ premium and not standard NFL+
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of their video subscription, but I haven't been able to find it the past 2 years, so I don't know if they still offer it.
They do but you have to get NFL+ premium and not standard NFL+
As I said previously in another reply… Monopoly!!! NFL Sunday Ticket too with YouTube TV. Oh well. Just wanted to state an objective point of view on the team and see if this was available. I appreciate everyone with valuable input and information. Thank you.
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Give it an honest watch.
You'll what I mean regarding Jones locking onto his first read and throwing regardless.
And open targets further downfield.
But, If you've been a Jones supporter this long, you may not see it.
Obviously not, if I’m asking where to find the tape from this season. The only Bengals All 22 I can find is from Talkin’ Giants from 2020. No need to insult. I’ve seen the good and the bad. Eli had his moments as well and is a hero in NY. I’m wanting to see it objectively to formulate an opinion instead of making Jones the scapegoat every single time. Some people have decided to be a critic and hated him from the moment he was drafted, which isn’t rational either for a Giants fan. I was giving my point of view, but also asking a simple question as to where I can find this tape. I guess saying that I’ve tried to stand behind our QB makes me a scapegoat too. Do you want Schoen and Daboll to pick another QB after giving Jones the bag? Let’s be real here. The contract isn’t Jones fault either.
Your so full of crap. Give it a rest.
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of their video subscription, but I haven't been able to find it the past 2 years, so I don't know if they still offer it.
They do but you have to get NFL+ premium and not standard NFL+
As I said previously in another reply… Monopoly!!! NFL Sunday Ticket too with YouTube TV. Oh well. Just wanted to state an objective point of view on the team and see if this was available. I appreciate everyone with valuable input and information. Thank you.
LMAO "Objectvie opinion." Who do you think you're kidding with this crap Mrs Jones?
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Getting defensive because someone wants to view a tape . Asking if someone is qualified? Really.
OK, this is pretty funny. Nice try dupe.
I had legitimate points. I have been reading on this site for over 15 years. This is my only account. You are being trolled and fooling yourselves. Anyway, if anyone has watched the open receivers live or on the All 22, please provide some insight. Paying for the All 22 would be easier than fending off you people. Thank you.
From your own OP:
That sure doesn't sound like "this is [your] only account."
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Getting defensive because someone wants to view a tape . Asking if someone is qualified? Really.
OK, this is pretty funny. Nice try dupe.
I had legitimate points. I have been reading on this site for over 15 years. This is my only account. You are being trolled and fooling yourselves. Anyway, if anyone has watched the open receivers live or on the All 22, please provide some insight. Paying for the All 22 would be easier than fending off you people. Thank you.
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I haven't had a handle in a while.
That sure doesn't sound like "this is [your] only account."
Eric said accounts not used for 18 months are automatically purged, so I had to make a new one. Not sure what you are trying to prove. The only thing you are proving is why people leave this site. How do I know you’re not every person disagreeing with me? Sounds crazy, right? Just give it up. One person backed me up and you all have a “theory”. I have nothing else to say on this thread.
I have this exact thought every time I watch an NFL game. Start with the side on view, but then as the line gets set, move to the behind the Oline wide view. Can zoom in with the replays after the down. They do a great job with that aspect actually.