Really comes down to whether or not we are resigning them. If we can resign them to a reasonable deal now than so be it. But if we can’t and they going to be gone next year anyways than trade them and get what you can
Yeah, for some reason, I'm not surprised anymore. BUT, it's going to look awful if the Commandos beat us on Sunday. It'll be second-guessed to death. I'd try to amass draft capital right now, if I had my choice. But we're not that forward-thinking. Never have been... never will be, as long as John Mara co-owns the team.
Really comes down to whether or not we are resigning them. If we can resign them to a reasonable deal now than so be it. But if we can’t and they going to be gone next year anyways than trade them and get what you can
This. If the contracts are good value and both can be retained, they're not bad pieces to have. That said, if there's no vision of retaining them beyond this year then they need to be traded for whatever they can get.
As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
But re-sign them then and do it soon before they hit the open market and their value goes up.
We're going to be buyers in FA, we won't get comp picks for them if they walk after this season, don't lose out on needed assets to get 9 more meaningless games out of them.
As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
Slayton and Ojulari are not McKinney and Barkley
1- This may just be a negotiating tactic not to tell reporters anxious to move them
2- The comp formula is a consideration vs trading (as is re-signing them.
But their owners came in, decided to trade 2 legitimately good players. This helped them to lose meaningless games. And look where they are now.
The Giants, from the top, actually value these games. To the point where decisons about the GM and HC could come down to the outcome of games against the Panthers, Saints, and Colts.
but I would like to see Slayton brought back. Look at the WR free agent pool this coming offseason. They're not going to spend big bucks on a guy like Higgins, Diggs, Cooper, Godwin. I think he's done enough here to warrant sticking around if he wanted to sign here. Nabers is the clear cut #1 going forward, if we let Slayton walk, are we using a round 1-3 pick on a WR that will contribute next year? Are we going with a Hodgins or relying on Hyatt to develop? I think Slayton is a dependable player, and don't think we will get more than a 4th or maybe 5th for him. I don't think you're getting a player as good as Slayton in the 4th or 5th round (albeit, you will be getting a cheaper one). Azeez I'm indifferent on, sack numbers inflate salary, I think he's going to price himself out. I'm sure the Giants can get Slayton back for a reasonable cost.
As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
How does any of that negate the point they they got nothing for them leaving? They should have been traded, but weren't. The fact that McKinney and Saquon got big deals shows that they are valued by the league, and probably would have delivered a solid return in a trade.
But re-sign them then and do it soon before they hit the open market and their value goes up.
We're going to be buyers in FA, we won't get comp picks for them if they walk after this season, don't lose out on needed assets to get 9 more meaningless games out of them.
Totally agree
if they were that enamored with slayton they should have
Slayton can be frustrating with his drops, but all things equal, he has a respectable catch rate every year under Daboll. He makes up for lapses with contested catches. Imagine if he played with a QB who put the ball on the money most of the time. Nabers and Slayton are the receivers to build on.
But re-sign them then and do it soon before they hit the open market and their value goes up.
We're going to be buyers in FA, we won't get comp picks for them if they walk after this season, don't lose out on needed assets to get 9 more meaningless games out of them.
Why in the world would you sign them to a multi year deal.
Ojulari has durability concerns, and the Giants have two premium players in front of him. They can get cheaper, younger, and hopefully more durability through the draft.
I think he's a bad target for an extension. He's the player to trade.
There are alot of players on the Giants i would get rid of before Slayton and Ojulari.
Neal. Ezudo, Gray. Hyatt, Robinson, lock. Jones. Van Rotten
I can't help but notice that the list of players you and others on this thread are willing to part with are all Schoen imports.... Should tell us something.
Look, Schoen has made better personnel decisions this year compared to the last few, so perhaps he only needs experience and seasoning, but wow has he been incredibly bad up to this point. I can't imagine trying to stock pile picks for this guy to waste them next year in the draft....
Really comes down to whether or not we are resigning them. If we can resign them to a reasonable deal now than so be it. But if we can’t and they going to be gone next year anyways than trade them and get what you can
This. If the contracts are good value and both can be retained, they're not bad pieces to have. That said, if there's no vision of retaining them beyond this year then they need to be traded for whatever they can get.
ok, then extend them now, so if their demands are not reasonable you can off them and get something back. Instead, we will wait until the offseason, then decide their demands are not reasonable or get outbid and they will go elsewhere and we will get nothing.
That they know they won’t be active in free agency and know they’ve got lowball offers and think the comp picks will be better than the offers out there
But it’s more likely that the franchise is owned and possibly run by idiots
Slayton might get something, but he's also the only one likely to be brought back.
I know BBI considers the season over, and doesn't care if the Losses pile up, but coaches/management do. Don't give anyone away, but at least pick up the phone.
And remember, it takes two to tango. They may be unlikely to be traded because no one wants to buy at a price worth selling.
If we don't trade them and they sign as FAs with another team in the off season do we get any comp picks? and if so would they be much different than what we get by trading them?
We’ve seen the return for Uche and Diontae Johnson. They have no leverage and are better off trying to either retain each player or at least receive comp picks.
The panthers got to move up 10 picks in the 6th round for Johnson.
To me this screams Mara. He'd rather keep guys in the 'once a giant, always a giant' mantra instead of getting any value to help with maneuvering in the draft.
It'll be a case of two guys walking for nothing instead of getting anything.
what some of the WR went for recently, i cannot see us getting better than a 6th for Slayton. If that's the case there no reason not to keep him a 6th is not saving our roster nor assisting much in a move up for a QB.
If we can get a 3/4th for Azeez he'd be gone but again i don't see us getting that and a 5/6th against isn't going to make a difference.
So keep them and try to resign them, if we can't so be it, we aren't losing out on much draft capital.
When was the last time the Giants sold at the deadline?
To me this screams Mara. He'd rather keep guys in the 'once a giant, always a giant' mantra instead of getting any value to help with maneuvering in the draft.
It'll be a case of two guys walking for nothing instead of getting anything.
I contend this is Mara. A sell-off signals the season is done, and that could lead to fewer asses in seats. And Mara doesn't want that. NFW.
So, "mathematically alive" is just as important at 1925 Giants Way as "Smart, Tough, and Dependable"...
RE: if they were that enamored with slayton they should have
I think they were hoping Hyatt could step up. But, Slayton has very good YAC and is great on the open field contested ball especially while running at top speed.
And he rarely gets hurt. Fucking DJ almost killed him last night.
Slayton is pretty loyal to the team but maybe he(personally) needs a change of scenery
As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
what does that have to do with the fact that they should have been traded instead of just leaving and giants getting nothing?
Before they get approval to make any trades, particularly players on offense. If Mara thinks there is any chance of Daniel making the playoffs, he will cling to it.
Eventually he will allow Daniel to be benched, but it might be after the deadline.
have traded for Diontae Johnson.
I won't pretend to know the guy, but stats from this article say he's had a couple of 800 yd years, and an 1100 yd year.
OTC shows his salary at a mil, and he looks like he's a FA after this year.
the price tag? Panthers get a 5th rounder, Ravens get a 6th rounder.
If he and Slayton are anywhere in the near ballpark, that whopping haul is why Slayton is unlikely to be traded trade - ( New Window )
RE: When was the last time the Giants sold at the deadline?
The giants sell when it’s worth it. You ain’t getting shit for Slayton. He’s a decent player but that won’t fetch much. Same with Ojulari. And maybe they want to bring either guy back.
This isn’t Monte sweat or Leonard Williams. This has nothing to do with mathematically alive even if they said it did. But keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.
Is other teams throughout the NFL, and within the NFCE will be making deals to enhance their competitive rosters.
What the Giants will do is stand pat because the owner expects this collection of underachievers to bid for a wild card while being led by a QB who shouldn't even be in the NFL. John Mara is still hyping the 100 year anniversary of the New York Football Giants, the team his family has been a part of for 100 years. The problem they've dealt with under his watch has been almost entirely abysmal, yet he still thinks they can compete.
They can't.
They won't.
And they are getting worse week after week.
As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
Getting paid $11M is losing out on money?
Maybe it would be easier to ask you exactly what you think the Giants are getting wrong, since you seem to defend every move they make, but they keep sucking at football.
Sooner or later, you might want to consider the possibility - however remote it might seem to you - that the Giants are inflicting this upon themselves by making roster and coaching errors. I know it probably feels unlikely to you, but just give it a shot.
The Giants should be negotiating an extension with Slayton and shopping Ojulari.
+1. Ojulari continues to be a major injury risk. Slayton’s one of our better offensive players.
During Mondays game bill was singing slayton’s praises, saying he is dangerous and you have to watch out for him. He was also critical of the edge setting of Olujari
It won't happen, but I'd be much more open to trading KT, Hyatt, Robinson, Bellinger, Pinnock, Neal, and any DT besides Lawrence.
Yeah, for some reason, I'm not surprised anymore. BUT, it's going to look awful if the Commandos beat us on Sunday. It'll be second-guessed to death. I'd try to amass draft capital right now, if I had my choice. But we're not that forward-thinking. Never have been... never will be, as long as John Mara co-owns the team.
+1
This. If the contracts are good value and both can be retained, they're not bad pieces to have. That said, if there's no vision of retaining them beyond this year then they need to be traded for whatever they can get.
Is it? Trying to keep players that can actual perform is incompetence? Do you keep swirling around the drain, or do you finally keep decent players?
Personally, for a decent return, yes I would trade them, but to say someone is incompetent for not doing what YOU want them to do is pathetic.
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
We're going to be buyers in FA, we won't get comp picks for them if they walk after this season, don't lose out on needed assets to get 9 more meaningless games out of them.
Slayton and Ojulari are not McKinney and Barkley
1- This may just be a negotiating tactic not to tell reporters anxious to move them
2- The comp formula is a consideration vs trading (as is re-signing them.
The Giants, from the top, actually value these games. To the point where decisons about the GM and HC could come down to the outcome of games against the Panthers, Saints, and Colts.
Yes, you beat me to it with a much less wordy way of saying the same thing lol
+1. Ojulari continues to be a major injury risk. Slayton’s one of our better offensive players.
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As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
How does any of that negate the point they they got nothing for them leaving? They should have been traded, but weren't. The fact that McKinney and Saquon got big deals shows that they are valued by the league, and probably would have delivered a solid return in a trade.
We're going to be buyers in FA, we won't get comp picks for them if they walk after this season, don't lose out on needed assets to get 9 more meaningless games out of them.
We're going to be buyers in FA, we won't get comp picks for them if they walk after this season, don't lose out on needed assets to get 9 more meaningless games out of them.
Why in the world would you sign them to a multi year deal.
I think he's a bad target for an extension. He's the player to trade.
Neal. Ezudo, Gray. Hyatt, Robinson, lock. Jones. Van Rotten
1.) Their rookie year
2.) Their contract year
And they suck or are injured in between.
Anyone else notice this troubling trend?
Neal. Ezudo, Gray. Hyatt, Robinson, lock. Jones. Van Rotten
I can't help but notice that the list of players you and others on this thread are willing to part with are all Schoen imports.... Should tell us something.
Look, Schoen has made better personnel decisions this year compared to the last few, so perhaps he only needs experience and seasoning, but wow has he been incredibly bad up to this point. I can't imagine trying to stock pile picks for this guy to waste them next year in the draft....
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Really comes down to whether or not we are resigning them. If we can resign them to a reasonable deal now than so be it. But if we can’t and they going to be gone next year anyways than trade them and get what you can
This. If the contracts are good value and both can be retained, they're not bad pieces to have. That said, if there's no vision of retaining them beyond this year then they need to be traded for whatever they can get.
And some of you guys want Schoen back?
But it’s more likely that the franchise is owned and possibly run by idiots
A 5th round pick instead of a 6th or 7th?
Slayton might get something, but he's also the only one likely to be brought back.
I know BBI considers the season over, and doesn't care if the Losses pile up, but coaches/management do. Don't give anyone away, but at least pick up the phone.
And remember, it takes two to tango. They may be unlikely to be traded because no one wants to buy at a price worth selling.
The panthers got to move up 10 picks in the 6th round for Johnson.
It'll be a case of two guys walking for nothing instead of getting anything.
If we can get a 3/4th for Azeez he'd be gone but again i don't see us getting that and a 5/6th against isn't going to make a difference.
So keep them and try to resign them, if we can't so be it, we aren't losing out on much draft capital.
Williams, Toney. Gettleman sold some guys early on too.
It'll be a case of two guys walking for nothing instead of getting anything.
I contend this is Mara. A sell-off signals the season is done, and that could lead to fewer asses in seats. And Mara doesn't want that. NFW.
So, "mathematically alive" is just as important at 1925 Giants Way as "Smart, Tough, and Dependable"...
And he rarely gets hurt. Fucking DJ almost killed him last night.
Slayton is pretty loyal to the team but maybe he(personally) needs a change of scenery
In comment 16665129 Eric on Li said:
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As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
Eventually he will allow Daniel to be benched, but it might be after the deadline.
I won't pretend to know the guy, but stats from this article say he's had a couple of 800 yd years, and an 1100 yd year.
OTC shows his salary at a mil, and he looks like he's a FA after this year.
the price tag? Panthers get a 5th rounder, Ravens get a 6th rounder.
If he and Slayton are anywhere in the near ballpark, that whopping haul is why Slayton is unlikely to be traded
trade - ( New Window )
Yes. A mere 12 months ago.
The giants sell when it’s worth it. You ain’t getting shit for Slayton. He’s a decent player but that won’t fetch much. Same with Ojulari. And maybe they want to bring either guy back.
This isn’t Monte sweat or Leonard Williams. This has nothing to do with mathematically alive even if they said it did. But keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.
Says me a season tic holder.
What the Giants will do is stand pat because the owner expects this collection of underachievers to bid for a wild card while being led by a QB who shouldn't even be in the NFL. John Mara is still hyping the 100 year anniversary of the New York Football Giants, the team his family has been a part of for 100 years. The problem they've dealt with under his watch has been almost entirely abysmal, yet he still thinks they can compete.
They can't.
They won't.
And they are getting worse week after week.
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As of today, the NFL's Interception leader (McKinney) and number 2 in rushing yards (Barkley) are players the Giants let go last season for nothing, even though their season was DOA
As reminder, one is getting $17 mill per and the other turned down a better contract from the Giants the previous year - so lost out on money for over a year.
Getting paid $11M is losing out on money?
Maybe it would be easier to ask you exactly what you think the Giants are getting wrong, since you seem to defend every move they make, but they keep sucking at football.
Sooner or later, you might want to consider the possibility - however remote it might seem to you - that the Giants are inflicting this upon themselves by making roster and coaching errors. I know it probably feels unlikely to you, but just give it a shot.
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The Giants should be negotiating an extension with Slayton and shopping Ojulari.
+1. Ojulari continues to be a major injury risk. Slayton’s one of our better offensive players.
During Mondays game bill was singing slayton’s praises, saying he is dangerous and you have to watch out for him. He was also critical of the edge setting of Olujari