Either chronic injuries or mental. He's pretty bad and a draft bust. But being completely completely off the radar in the current environment can't be a talent thing. It has to be something else.
RE: There is definitely something happening with Neal
Either chronic injuries or mental. He's pretty bad and a draft bust. But being completely completely off the radar in the current environment can't be a talent thing. It has to be something else.
be stunned if they trade Neal. We'd get almost nothing for him. He hasn't played this year, and not doing so given our current OL woes is frankly damning. But trading Neal would be Schoen admitting that he made a colossal mistake by drafting him at #7. Better to try and convert him to guard in the offseason, something they should have done this past offseason.
Job w this last draft. Because his first two drafts are looking like total shit. Bringing in Hubbard to me is a total indictment of The GM. That Daboll was able to do anything w the line is an amazing job.
Either chronic injuries or mental. He's pretty bad and a draft bust. But being completely completely off the radar in the current environment can't be a talent thing. It has to be something else.
I think Neal is a case of a very talented player peaking in college. And his best days are behind him at Tuscaloosa.
Either chronic injuries or mental. He's pretty bad and a draft bust. But being completely completely off the radar in the current environment can't be a talent thing. It has to be something else.
I think Neal is a case of a very talented player peaking in college. And his best days are behind him at Tuscaloosa.
That's been a consistent criticism of Bama players for a decade plus.
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
is posters tend to think that their beliefs and hopes are what the Giants, obviously, should be doing.
The reality is that Neal hasn't got the feet for LT. Most of the same people that want him at LT were the same ones pointing out that he isn't nimble enough to be a OT or should be a guard.
I am quite certain that when Bricillo says he is ready, he will be in the game. Also remember, Eluemunor has a groin going and probably why he struggled a bit Monday.
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
I don't assume he can be plugged in anywhere. I said as much as the reason for simply not just putting him at RG. What I have a problem with is that they have not practiced him at LT at all in the last 2 weeks. Forget about before. With a healthy OL, he wasn't playing there. But, with Thomas out, they are desperate. Ezeudu was horrible. They brought in a vet off the street who hadn't played LT to replace him. The results were expected. They still aren't practicing Neal at LT. To me, that's ridiculous. IF he looks terrible there, don't play him. But, this notion they have to build him up at RT right now is moronic. They have a solid RT who can fit into their plans for the next few years.
It's just a disgusting situation. And if they are that deadset that he can't play anywhere, including RT, then he should just be cut at this point.
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
I get he has more experience. But he was not on the team a week ago and hardly some ex pro bowl guy. This is more about the Giants not having another LT and being that desperate than about Hubbard. It's not like they went through 2 or 3 other players.
The goal isn’t to make Neal a RT, it’s to make the Giants as good as they can be, and if he’s not starting, he should be working at multiple positions in case they need a fill in. And they do, but they haven’t gotten him ready to fill in.
Another genius move by the coaching staff. The idea that he sucks at T but everyone here just KNOWS he can’t play G is funny. He can. But for whatever reason, he isn’t.
In comment 16666099Another genius move by the coaching staff. The idea that he sucks at T but everyone here just KNOWS he can’t play G is funny. He can. But for whatever reason, he isn’t.[/quote]
He could literally line up at guard, that is within the realm of possibilities. Is he capable of playing at above-disaster level?
Seems like you're entering just KNOWS territory yourself.
It is shocking that he can't seem to get himself onto the field.
ended with the "burger flipper" and "boo me louder" comments. there was no chance he would ever recover from that because it revealed his true self.
bottom line, lots of teams may have had the guy high on their draft board, but the Giants interviewed him and failed to spot the personality red flags in the draft process. full stop.
the guy is a bust, a complete waste of roster space, and if we can't get anything meaningful for him in a trade, then we should throw him out with the trash where he belongs.
we continue to dwell in the cellar. You can't miss on #7 picks (or #6 for that matter) and expect to be successful for very long. What a shame on both picks. Total failure.
then that’s where they think he fits best. That said, I think they have to get him in there sometime this year and move Eluemenor back to RG or perhaps LT. They need to see what Neal can do at RT before making any decisions about moving him to Guard next year. Obviously if they see no improvement, it’ll make their decision easier.
He's not a liability and I saw him shove TJ Watt pissed off, i friggin loved it. I hope they sign him long term.
If I have a hope for Neal is that he can become a dominant OG. Replace GVR and just punish in the run game. We'll see if his immature self can handle a position change.
RE: It is shocking that he can't seem to get himself onto the field.
While we sign players and overnight they become fill-in starters on the OL, last year and this year.
Bust may be too nice...he's basically worthless to Daboll & Co.
Between Felicino and Zeitler being starters on two of the best teams in the NFL we dumped a Washington getting some run out of Erik Flowers I have ZERO faith in anyone related to the Giants opinion on an OL. That certainly doesn’t mean Neal isn’t a bust. But not having a backup LT on this team is enough for me to say this entitle franchise is run by morons from Mara Tisch down.
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to every home game this year and Neal is constantly warming up, usually with his helmet on, ready to go. He's pumping up his fellow linemen when they come off. I can't imagine it's an attitude issue. He must just be really really bad in practice if they are starting Hubbard instead of moving Jermaine to LT and Neal to RT.
While we sign players and overnight they become fill-in starters on the OL, last year and this year.
Bust may be too nice...he's basically worthless to Daboll & Co.
Between Felicino and Zeitler being starters on two of the best teams in the NFL we dumped a Washington getting some run out of Erik Flowers I have ZERO faith in anyone related to the Giants opinion on an OL. That certainly doesn’t mean Neal isn’t a bust. But not having a backup LT on this team is enough for me to say this entitle franchise is run by morons from Mara Tisch down.
From midway through Reese til now these guys regarding the OL ateneaikybienof the worst talent and coaching crew in the history of the NFL. 15 years they drafted one above average OL. ONE
It is ridiculous to be that bad at drafting/developing a position.
He hasn't touched LT in the NFL, and has struggled playing RT.
There's a gap in your thinking and expectations of him at this point.
He doesn't have the feet to play LT or RT in the NFL IMO. Playing guard is his only chance of remaining in the league, but his ability to do so certainly isn't a given.
Neal absolutely had/has the ability to play Tackle in the NFL.
But it's really up to him to take it seriously and get his head out of his ass.
He also unfortunately was drafted by a team where Offensive Linemen don't historically develop/play to expectations. Doesn't matter if draft high or low, expensive or cheap free agent.
Neal was an All American LT the year he got drafted. Was a top
LT prospect just 3 years ago.
Hubbard is 33 and coming off injury and signed last week. He has NEVER PLAYED LT in the pros.
Ezeudu was not a LT prospect in college and drafted as a G.
Eluemunor has iirc 6 starts in his career at LT.
For the Giants not even trying to have Neal take Reps at LT is absolutely ridiculous. He can’t be worse than Hubbard and Ezeudu. And not even moving Eluemunor to LT and Neal to RT is just as bad.
If you’re telling me he’s that bad at OT, then move him to OG now.
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
How does "just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT" not also apply to Neal? Was Hubbard an All-American LT in the SEC?
Over the past four years (one of which Evan Neal was still in college), Neal has played 40% more NFL games than Chris Hubbard. Does recency of that game-changing experience matter at all?
You've had a lot of silly pollyanna excuses for this team lately, but this one might be the silliest.
It seems obvious he is just not a good RT. He is big and strong, but apparantly either is just can't move his feet quick enough or can't react quick enough. Tackle requies more athleticism thant G, so why not see if he could better utilize his tlents at G??
that the Giants would have to decide to pickup his 5th year option?
Yeah. If I was Neal I'd pray they don't. He may suck but they had him play on a broken ankle and he certainly does t seem to gotten much help from the coaching staff. No way he gets a tender.
In comment 16666099Another genius move by the coaching staff. The idea that he sucks at T but everyone here just KNOWS he can’t play G is funny. He can. But for whatever reason, he isn’t.
He could literally line up at guard, that is within the realm of possibilities. Is he capable of playing at above-disaster level?
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No, I'm entering into the as a backup, he needs to rep G/T or both T sides. My opinion is he'd be a better G than T, and I don't think it's all that controversial given the limitations he's shown working in space.
How are we still using college resume as an argument?
I think reality indicates positional flexibility is more of a desire than a reality for most lineman in the NFL.
Normally I wouldn't assume the staff knows better (they don't have a great record at this stuff), but I'd err on the side more tilted to *can't* with all things Neal.
Last time he suited up, he looked like a guy on scholarship barely hanging on to a roster spot.
When Neal was playing many were saying they never wanted to see him
has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
The only thing that is laughable is you ok w no LT on the roster other than Thomas. We had the 5th and 7th pick in that draft and neither guy will be offered a 2nd deal or a 5th year option. What do you want. An extension for him. Just inexplicable
Didn’t they say Hubbard has never played LT either?
Yes, that was literally his only play of the game...must of been fun for him...but not as fun as flipping burgers in 10 years
They both should be guards.
The only reason they are at tackle is because Daboll said they had enough guards.
One of the dumbest things I ever heard a HC say. And we wonder why we stink. Daboll needs to go.
I think Neal is a case of a very talented player peaking in college. And his best days are behind him at Tuscaloosa.
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Either chronic injuries or mental. He's pretty bad and a draft bust. But being completely completely off the radar in the current environment can't be a talent thing. It has to be something else.
I think Neal is a case of a very talented player peaking in college. And his best days are behind him at Tuscaloosa.
That's been a consistent criticism of Bama players for a decade plus.
Why is he on the roster ?
The reality is that Neal hasn't got the feet for LT. Most of the same people that want him at LT were the same ones pointing out that he isn't nimble enough to be a OT or should be a guard.
I am quite certain that when Bricillo says he is ready, he will be in the game. Also remember, Eluemunor has a groin going and probably why he struggled a bit Monday.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
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has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
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And clearly doesn't have the confidence of the coaches, even if he had.
Didn’t they say Hubbard has never played LT either?
It's just a disgusting situation. And if they are that deadset that he can't play anywhere, including RT, then he should just be cut at this point.
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has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
I get he has more experience. But he was not on the team a week ago and hardly some ex pro bowl guy. This is more about the Giants not having another LT and being that desperate than about Hubbard. It's not like they went through 2 or 3 other players.
Generally the backup OLs can flex (T/G or LT/RT).
It is rare to see a RT only backup.
The goal isn’t to make Neal a RT, it’s to make the Giants as good as they can be, and if he’s not starting, he should be working at multiple positions in case they need a fill in. And they do, but they haven’t gotten him ready to fill in.
Another genius move by the coaching staff. The idea that he sucks at T but everyone here just KNOWS he can’t play G is funny. He can. But for whatever reason, he isn’t.
He could literally line up at guard, that is within the realm of possibilities. Is he capable of playing at above-disaster level?
Seems like you're entering just KNOWS territory yourself.
Bust may be too nice...he's basically worthless to Daboll & Co.
More stupid decisions by management.
I dont think he wants to be out there because he will be exposed.
bottom line, lots of teams may have had the guy high on their draft board, but the Giants interviewed him and failed to spot the personality red flags in the draft process. full stop.
the guy is a bust, a complete waste of roster space, and if we can't get anything meaningful for him in a trade, then we should throw him out with the trash where he belongs.
If I have a hope for Neal is that he can become a dominant OG. Replace GVR and just punish in the run game. We'll see if his immature self can handle a position change.
Bust may be too nice...he's basically worthless to Daboll & Co.
Between Felicino and Zeitler being starters on two of the best teams in the NFL we dumped a Washington getting some run out of Erik Flowers I have ZERO faith in anyone related to the Giants opinion on an OL. That certainly doesn’t mean Neal isn’t a bust. But not having a backup LT on this team is enough for me to say this entitle franchise is run by morons from Mara Tisch down.
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Neal also played right tackle at Alabama, and played well there, how did that turn out?
"You don't give up on talent dahlin'"
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While we sign players and overnight they become fill-in starters on the OL, last year and this year.
Bust may be too nice...he's basically worthless to Daboll & Co.
Between Felicino and Zeitler being starters on two of the best teams in the NFL we dumped a Washington getting some run out of Erik Flowers I have ZERO faith in anyone related to the Giants opinion on an OL. That certainly doesn’t mean Neal isn’t a bust. But not having a backup LT on this team is enough for me to say this entitle franchise is run by morons from Mara Tisch down.
From midway through Reese til now these guys regarding the OL ateneaikybienof the worst talent and coaching crew in the history of the NFL. 15 years they drafted one above average OL. ONE
It is ridiculous to be that bad at drafting/developing a position.
Almost impossible, really.
There's a gap in your thinking and expectations of him at this point.
There's a gap in your thinking and expectations of him at this point.
He doesn't have the feet to play LT or RT in the NFL IMO. Playing guard is his only chance of remaining in the league, but his ability to do so certainly isn't a given.
He also unfortunately was drafted by a team where Offensive Linemen don't historically develop/play to expectations. Doesn't matter if draft high or low, expensive or cheap free agent.
Why...I wish we all knew.
LT prospect just 3 years ago.
Hubbard is 33 and coming off injury and signed last week. He has NEVER PLAYED LT in the pros.
Ezeudu was not a LT prospect in college and drafted as a G.
Eluemunor has iirc 6 starts in his career at LT.
For the Giants not even trying to have Neal take Reps at LT is absolutely ridiculous. He can’t be worse than Hubbard and Ezeudu. And not even moving Eluemunor to LT and Neal to RT is just as bad.
If you’re telling me he’s that bad at OT, then move him to OG now.
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has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
How does "just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT" not also apply to Neal? Was Hubbard an All-American LT in the SEC?
Over the past four years (one of which Evan Neal was still in college), Neal has played 40% more NFL games than Chris Hubbard. Does recency of that game-changing experience matter at all?
You've had a lot of silly pollyanna excuses for this team lately, but this one might be the silliest.
Yeah. If I was Neal I'd pray they don't. He may suck but they had him play on a broken ankle and he certainly does t seem to gotten much help from the coaching staff. No way he gets a tender.
He could literally line up at guard, that is within the realm of possibilities. Is he capable of playing at above-disaster level?
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No, I'm entering into the as a backup, he needs to rep G/T or both T sides. My opinion is he'd be a better G than T, and I don't think it's all that controversial given the limitations he's shown working in space.
OG requires pulling and hitting moving targets, including 5+ yards downfield. Does that sound like Neal?
OG requires pulling and hitting moving targets, including 5+ yards downfield. Does that sound like Neal?
Maybe some still hold on to the ancient vision of two road graders to the right of the C and the LG being the mover.
Normally I wouldn't assume the staff knows better (they don't have a great record at this stuff), but I'd err on the side more tilted to *can't* with all things Neal.
Last time he suited up, he looked like a guy on scholarship barely hanging on to a roster spot.
Maybe he just isn't ready after his injury. Do you really think they would march Eze or a FA out there if Neal was able to do better?
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has been practicing exclusively at RT since he got healthy. Anyone who thinks he can just be plugged in on the opposite side of the line and it would be a fair test of his ability is fairly deluded, IMO. He hasn't played at that spot since 2021.
As deluded as bringing in a guy who was on Another team's PS who also isn't a LT and starting him? The whole situation is good enough reason to fire your GM
The other guy has a longish NFL career. Huge difference. Experience is a game changer. Just because Hubbard played RT, doesn't mean he cannot play LT. David Diehl was a guard that was ok at RT and barely survived at LT. In fact he wasn't very good at LT, I won't say awful but....
So yeah, let's fire the GM. Laughable.
The only thing that is laughable is you ok w no LT on the roster other than Thomas. We had the 5th and 7th pick in that draft and neither guy will be offered a 2nd deal or a 5th year option. What do you want. An extension for him. Just inexplicable