Field Yates: NFL views the 2025 QB class less than 2024

top QB in this class might slot in as ~QB4 against last year's class.

got the Nabers pick right. Naybe2025 doesn't have as dense a talent pool. But there are still some names where the giants can get their guy IMO.

What's the hurry in drafting a QB?

They need to add two QBs to the QB room this spring. That wouldn’t be the case if they signed someone like Jameis to a two year deal.

In comment 16666241 battttles said:

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top QB in this class might slot in as ~QB4 against last year's class.

The first three taken look pretty good so far, so that may not be a bad thing

They may not be ready day 1, but with good coaching and roster building - some will be very successful.

Becuase it doesn't have guys at the level of the three that were already taken before our pick. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. If this class had an elite prospect it would be thought more favorably of, but it wouldn't matter because he wouldn't be available for us. I can guarantee you there is going to be several first round QBs in this draft to be had.

It had 3 elite level prospects that are way better than anyone in 2025.

This is a point that is largely irrelevant to the Giants, who did not have the ability to draft any of those 3 prospects.

You want to say the 3 QBs who were available to the Giants in 24 are better than what will be avaliable in 25? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But the idea of the class being better is irrelevant to everyone outside the top 3 in 2024

Nobody had JJM, Nix or Penix had 1st round grades at this time. Some still had them as 2nd rounders right up to the draft.

The beginning of the year Joe Burrow was a mid round pick.

So much can change between now and draft time. Relax.

Also if we drafted JJM who most people had us taking if we took a QB…and he tore his ACL most of you would be flipping out we passed on Nabers.

In comment 16666261 Jerry in_DC said:

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It had 3 elite level prospects that are way better than anyone in 2025. This is a point that is largely irrelevant to the Giants, who did not have the ability to draft any of those 3 prospects. You want to say the 3 QBs who were available to the Giants in 24 are better than what will be avaliable in 25? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But the idea of the class being better is irrelevant to everyone outside the top 3 in 2024

Bingo!

Don’t tell me Sanders, Ward, Beck, Allar and the rest can’t be better prospects than JJM, Penix or Nix which nobody had them highly rated.

...it's almost like you could see this coming back in April.

Sy's exact words were, "Advance scouting is a real thing."

That's Daniel Jones' music!

Year 7 here we come.

I can name two experts of the top of my head that had McCarthy ranked at or near the top of the 2023 class. I can also name a couple experts that had Maye near the bottom.

The Giants may have viewed it as a three QB class, but the Giants have proven to not know a damn thing about quarterbacks.

In comment 16666267 Go Terps said:

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...it's almost like you could see this coming back in April. Sy's exact words were, "Advance scouting is a real thing."

Right, and when the Giants selected Nabers, they were well aware of the 2025 prospects

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I can name two experts of the top of my head that had McCarthy ranked at or near the top of the 2023 class. I can also name a couple experts that had Maye near the bottom. The Giants may have viewed it as a three QB class, but the Giants have proven to not know a damn thing about quarterbacks.

Well, Schoen and Daboll haven't drafted one, unless you count Josh Allen
Don't be such a pessimist

and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick.

I've stopped listening to "its a great class!".... "soft class!" etc. All it takes is the right guy.

2018 was supposed to be amazing, and until Darnolds resurgence this year...it was the 2 lesser "rated" QBs who had success..Allen & Jackson.

The late first/2nd round picks in 2020, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts, have outperformed the top 10 locks of Tua & Herbert to me...

There's no exact science and there are a TON of misses. But idc about what execs think of the class, somehow...someway....pick the right one.

McCarthy and Daniels were shooting up draft charts unless Ewers, Beck, Aller,Dart,and Milroe blow it up over the last 3 or 4 games and playoffs which is possible, they are not making a case to go top 10.
Honestly that might be the best for the Giants they might have the opportunity to take one of those guys at 8-12.

Williams, Daniels, Maye, Penix went top 10 with McCarthy just there at and too!

That said there’s a large crop here and really good talent still.

You can find your QB you like if there’s enough of a pool to choose from.

Schoen should trade for Anthony Richardson. If it works you prove your ability to scout and coach, all while rostering the most athletic QB of all time. If it doesn't work then you get fired, but that's likely to happen in 2-4 years on the back of a less athletic, middling QB anyway. Swing for the fences and get an actual comp to Josh Allen in ARich.

In comment 16666278 larryflower37 said:

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McCarthy and Daniels were shooting up draft charts unless Ewers, Beck, Aller,Dart,and Milroe blow it up over the last 3 or 4 games and playoffs which is possible, they are not making a case to go top 10. Honestly that might be the best for the Giants they might have the opportunity to take one of those guys at 8-12.

McCarthy didn’t shoot up draft boards until after the combine and several draft experts still had many reservations about him going in the first round.

QB rankings from past years and look to where they’re drafted and how they were graded between then and the draft. Usually it’s completely different after the combine, meetings and pro days.

Last year people who didn't want to draft a QB were saying you can't draft "QB4". That's dumb. QB4 in 2024 might have been QB1 in 2025.

The argument in the OP is equally dumb. Jayden Daniels being good doesn't make it more likely that JJ McCarthy is good.

I wanted a QB last year but it seems very likely that we will have access to similar level prospects in 25 as we did in 24. Which of those prospects will be good? Nobody knows.

Also, a component of the pro-QB argument for 2024 was that we probably won't be drafting this high in 2025. I'm sure I made that argument myself. That piece seems to be OBE at this point.

In comment 16666291 DeVito32 said:

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QB rankings from past years and look to where they’re drafted and how they were graded between then and the draft. Usually it’s completely different after the combine, meetings and pro days.

This is a fact.
It's amazing how much changes in such a short amount of time.

In comment 16666276 Jacobs #27 said:

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and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick.

I must have said a thousand times that I'd have drafted Penix. If we had I think we'd be sitting at 4-4 or better right now, let alone what it would mean for the future.

But I'd have drafted any of Penix, McCarthy, Nix, Latu, Murphy, Verse, Latham, or Fashanu over Nabers.

In comment 16666245 ajr2456 said:

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They need to add two QBs to the QB room this spring. That wouldn’t be the case if they signed someone like Jameis to a two year deal.

Correct. "Don't force the QB pick" a GM gets 4 years to draft one, and they're entering year 4. At least Schoen is. Even if you add a vet this offseason you need to take one.

1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix.

2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot.

3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do.

4) Nix is playing well.

People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

In comment 16666276 Jacobs #27 said:

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and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick.

Any one of McCarthy, Penix or Nix.

Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway".

The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't.

In comment 16666310 Go Terps said:

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Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't.

No offense, but we dont know if it is true or not to take Nabers. If we take a War or Sanders or whoeveer and they become a very good QB and Nabers becomes a stud number 1... we will be in great position.

And we still dont know about the 3 QBs after Nabers. Penix and McCarthy havent played. And I am slowing my roll on Nix. I remember a QB in 2019 having some very good games against shitty defenses and we are seeing how that turned out.

I guess that settles it! Don't draft any position that "isn't as strong as the prior season." NEVER. Just ignore any player because hey, the class isn't as good.

Of course this is an exaggeration. Just because there aren't 4-5 first round QBs with a 80+ grade doesn't mean you can't find a 80+ graded QB in this coming draft. Maybe there are only 2-3. Maybe one of them is even better than the guy you considered drafted last year.

I know I know...brutally hard concept to get behind. Try.

Didn't this place say 1000 times now you should draft a QB every year anyway? So I guess that goes out the window if some guys says the class isn't as deep.

NYG wasn't getting the elite QB last April. They tried. They couldn't. Not even sure I'd love Maye anyway but they tried. Don't tell me this next class can't measure up to the likes of JJM, Nix and even Penix. I don't buy that for one second.

In comment 16666317 djm said:

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I guess that settles it! Don't draft any position that "isn't as strong as the prior season." NEVER. Just ignore any player because hey, the class isn't as good. Of course this is an exaggeration. Just because there aren't 4-5 first round QBs with a 80+ grade doesn't mean you can't find a 80+ graded QB in this coming draft. Maybe there are only 2-3. Maybe one of them is even better than the guy you considered drafted last year. I know I know...brutally hard concept to get behind. Try. Didn't this place say 1000 times now you should draft a QB every year anyway? So I guess that goes out the window if some guys says the class isn't as deep. NYG wasn't getting the elite QB last April. They tried. They couldn't. Not even sure I'd love Maye anyway but they tried. Don't tell me this next class can't measure up to the likes of JJM, Nix and even Penix. I don't buy that for one second.

I just said The Giants should draft TWO QBs in this upcoming draft.

"They tried to trade for Maye" is unbelievably lame.

If the Giants drafted Penix, their record would probably be 1-7 and he'd be making his debut on Sunday. Which would be very exciting.

to get a top-3 pick. There are usually 1 or 2 QBs whose talent is so obvious that they are ‘must picks’. Chances are that we’re not getting those anyhow so having a draft like this (no consensus top QB) isn’t the worst thing. There should be plenty of non-QBs drafted ahead of us and QB talent available in the top half of the draft.

Playing in the northeast we really need to find someone with big hands and a great arm. I’m not sure there will be a Pennix-level option but hopefully someone close. And if we struggle with a rookie there’s a chance we end up in an Arizona situation

In comment 16666303 DeVito32 said:

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1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix. 2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot. 3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do. 4) Nix is playing well. People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

This ^

The top three in 2024 are what is driving this report from Yates. But there was no way any of those top three teams were trading their lottery tickets to the Giants. Penix is in the elite class and was probably the smart pick for the Giants, but his injury history was a reasonable red flag. It may very well turn out to be another massive blunder by Schoen.

But there could be at least four quarterbacks and maybe more coming out in 2025 that will be graded as high or higher than JJM and Nix. The Giants simply have to get one of them on day one. But that isn't sufficient. The quarterback ROOM also needs to be elevated. So Schoen, or preferably his replacement, needs to also sign a quality vet that can win games in the NFL (Garoppolo, Wentz, Winston, etc) and draft a developmental quarterback on day three. And the 2025 cap hit of the entire quarterback room should be less than half of what DJ's is in 2024.

Remember, closing the door on the DJ Era will in itself elevate the entire team and bring a level of pent up hope in that locker room not seen in a decade.

In comment 16666310 Go Terps said:

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Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't.

I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4.

They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ.

If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke.

Nobody knows jack shit how these QBs will perform in the pros. Everybody’s an expert now.

In comment 16666303 DeVito32 said:

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1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix. 2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot. 3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do. 4) Nix is playing well. People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

+1. Some people like to set up arguments months in advance, so they can continue to bitch about the organization.

Nabers is water under the bridge. He's on the team, and should help the QB we draft in March. A QB that will be appropriately graded to where we are drafting. Or we trade up and get our guy.

In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said:

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In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke.

The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones.

They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take.

Took a WR in a QB draft and are going to take a QB in a draft when they may have a shot at an even better WR

Plenty of NFL-caliber talent.

Stop the nonsense comments as if Paintin' Manning isn't sitting there for us to draft.

Find a guy or two with some plus skills and draft him. Enough fkin' already.

In comment 16666343 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said: Quote: In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke. The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones. They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take.

Not having trust in the organization is an extremely valid point. The homer in me (what's left of it) is hoping for the best.

It will be a crime if our QB room doesn't have at least 2 new faces.

In comment 16666285 battttles said:

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Schoen should trade for Anthony Richardson. If it works you prove your ability to scout and coach, all while rostering the most athletic QB of all time. If it doesn't work then you get fired, but that's likely to happen in 2-4 years on the back of a less athletic, middling QB anyway. Swing for the fences and get an actual comp to Josh Allen in ARich.

I agree with that, trade a day 2/3 pick for him and then draft one in 2025.

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...it's almost like you could see this coming back in April. Sy's exact words were, "Advance scouting is a real thing."

April? I was saying it in February/March.

Going back to before this past draft

This isn’t new

And even better news, its just as strong if not better than past years WRs

In comment 16666359 HardTruth said:

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Going back to before this past draft This isn’t new And even better news, its just as strong if not better than past years WRs

Yup. Another thing Sy said back in April.

But are there any DAWGs in this draft?

or anyone else we have at QB. I suspect it won't belong vefore McCarthy and Penix are as well.

I've seen a few themes from Giants fans since the draft.

1) Many completely dismiss Nix, McCarthy and Penix as prospects.

2) Many still view Schoen and Daboll as victims of Daniel Jones rather than the main drivers of his continued presence on this roster.

thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs.

In comment 16666385 JT039 said:

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thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs.

No one said that's the goal. Just illustrates the point though. A rookie 8 games in, and we're still spinning the Jones wheels.

Ok, but they're entering year 4. Take a thousand different roads to get here, you still end up here. Year 4 with no QB's on the roster. If they can't find 1 QB to draft early or late in a 4 year tenure then the Giants don't have the right guys.

Not playing DeVito right now leans into that as well too

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In comment 16666385 JT039 said: Quote: thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs. No one said that's the goal. Just illustrates the point though. A rookie 8 games in, and we're still spinning the Jones wheels.

I would love to have Nix and his future potential on this team right now, but let's pump the brakes a little. Jones had a pretty good rookie year, and there were many on this board (including me) giddy about the future. We all know how that is turning out.

In comment 16666343 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said: Quote: In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke. The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones. They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take.

You continue the faulty logic
They re-signed Daniel Jones, therefore they cannot be trusted to draft and develop a QB
1. The fact Daniel Jones played so well in 2022 is a credit (not reason to criticize) Daboll
2. They picked 25th in the 2023 draft, who should they have taken?
3. The 2025 draft seems to have several guys with "first round talent" that is at least arguably equivalent to JJM, Penix and Nix as prospects

Arch Manning will be available!

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Becuase it doesn't have guys at the level of the three that were already taken before our pick. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. If this class had an elite prospect it would be thought more favorably of, but it wouldn't matter because he wouldn't be available for us. I can guarantee you there is going to be several first round QBs in this draft to be had.

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Interesting way of looking at it. Problem is the Giants will still be looking at someone the caliber of Nix or lower. I’m not yet convinced that Nix is better than Jones. If the 2025 draft class grades out like 2019 draft class, and the Giants are picking 6th, they will be getting the 2nd best QB in the class. How did that work out in 2019?

In comment 16666399 gersh said:

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In comment 16666343 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said: Quote: In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke. The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones. They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take. You continue the faulty logic They re-signed Daniel Jones, therefore they cannot be trusted to draft and develop a QB 1. The fact Daniel Jones played so well in 2022 is a credit (not reason to criticize) Daboll 2. They picked 25th in the 2023 draft, who should they have taken? 3. The 2025 draft seems to have several guys with "first round talent" that is at least arguably equivalent to JJM, Penix and Nix as prospects

That's really the key. How do next year's top guys compare to the guys that were available to the Giants? How they compare to Williams, Daniels, and Maye is kind of irrelevant.

If they grade out similarly or better, then taken as a whole, the two year package of players may ultimately be better (i.e., Nabers + 2025 QB vs. Penix/McCarthy and 2025 Other).

against the two worst teams in the league.

Lets not say how impressive he has been...lol

Against SD after three quarter he had 35 yards and built his stats when the game was essentially over.

Outside the raiders and Panthers game:

171 yards per game
3 TDs (1 Td if you discount his 2 garbage time TDs against LA)
5 INTs
59% completion percentage

Now before anyone gets into these numbers - many of you discounted Jones rookie year totals cause he padded his tats against the worst defenses in the league. So if we did that with Jones, we sure as hell should should do it with Nix.

In comment 16666414 Giantfan in skinland said:

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In comment 16666399 gersh said: Quote: In comment 16666343 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said: Quote: In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke. The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones. They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take. You continue the faulty logic They re-signed Daniel Jones, therefore they cannot be trusted to draft and develop a QB 1. The fact Daniel Jones played so well in 2022 is a credit (not reason to criticize) Daboll 2. They picked 25th in the 2023 draft, who should they have taken? 3. The 2025 draft seems to have several guys with "first round talent" that is at least arguably equivalent to JJM, Penix and Nix as prospects That's really the key. How do next year's top guys compare to the guys that were available to the Giants? How they compare to Williams, Daniels, and Maye is kind of irrelevant. If they grade out similarly or better, then taken as a whole, the two year package of players may ultimately be better (i.e., Nabers + 2025 QB vs. Penix/McCarthy and 2025 Other).

Yes
And shoring up the OL and getting a true #1 WR makes this a good team for a rookie QB to play for

passing again on QB in the draft and bringing jones back next year. It's par for the course at this point.

And you'll hear "we didn't have a high grade on any of the QB's" as the excuse

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against the two worst teams in the league. Lets not say how impressive he has been...lol Against SD after three quarter he had 35 yards and built his stats when the game was essentially over. Outside the raiders and Panthers game: 171 yards per game 3 TDs (1 Td if you discount his 2 garbage time TDs against LA) 5 INTs 59% completion percentage Now before anyone gets into these numbers - many of you discounted Jones rookie year totals cause he padded his tats against the worst defenses in the league. So if we did that with Jones, we sure as hell should should do it with Nix.

Daniel Jones stat padding his rookie year only gets discounted because he’s never done anything close to similar since, and the supporters of Jones always say how good his rookie year was.

We’ll see if Nix can replicate those performances in non stay padding situations. It’s too early to discount Nix’s performances, whether stat padding or not

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thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs.

With this mindset, this is how you trot out Jones for 6 years. So, improving at QB isn't enough - have to wait until you find an all-pro. All while Jones remains the starter.

Better than the 2022 and 2023 classes imv.
We still have 2 more months of games to be played in the college season for the real draft analysts to study game film.
We also don’t know which prospects will stay in school ( Milroe and Nussmeier as examples).
2024 QB class was excellent and deep. 2025 QB class no comparison for sure.

I do believe the Giants will draft a QB and sign a vet FA for the 2025 season.
I see the Giants moving on from Jones after the bye week. I hope !!!
We just need to let this play out and be optimistic

In comment 16666421 JT039 said:

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Now before anyone gets into these numbers - many of you discounted Jones rookie year totals cause he padded his tats against the worst defenses in the league. So if we did that with Jones, we sure as hell should should do it with Nix.

If Bo Nix stays on DJ's career trajectory, he won't be 19% of Denver's cap in his sixth year.

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In comment 16666385 JT039 said: Quote: thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs. With this mindset, this is how you trot out Jones for 6 years. So, improving at QB isn't enough - have to wait until you find an all-pro. All while Jones remains the starter.

"The draft is a crapshoot"

ALSO

"You can only draft a QB if you're certain he's going to win the Super Bowl.

In comment 16666359 HardTruth said:

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Going back to before this past draft This isn’t new And even better news, its just as strong if not better than past years WRs

Are you saying the 2025 WR class is good?

Outside of McMillan, I don't see a deep crop. All of the high value guys are younger. If anything, it's a good draft to need a RB.

In comment 16666409 bluewave said:

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Arch Manning will be available!

Why do we keep saying this?

Three things - 1. Will Arch Manning even turn out to be a Franchise-type guy? He hasnt played enough yet to even figure that out, 2. Where will we even be drafting? What if we bring in a Vet and he wins 9 to 10 games?, 3. Why would we put that much pressure on another Manning, even if we could draft him? How does he live up to his Uncle's success?

In comment 16666436 Sean said:

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In comment 16666385 JT039 said: Quote: thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs. With this mindset, this is how you trot out Jones for 6 years. So, improving at QB isn't enough - have to wait until you find an all-pro. All while Jones remains the starter.

Way to put words into my mouth. Not even close to anything I even remotely said.

In comment 16666297 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666276 Jacobs #27 said: Quote: and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick. I must have said a thousand times that I'd have drafted Penix. If we had I think we'd be sitting at 4-4 or better right now, let alone what it would mean for the future. But I'd have drafted any of Penix, McCarthy, Nix, Latu, Murphy, Verse, Latham, or Fashanu over Nabers.

I wasn't referring to you.....you've made your itntentions well known.

But do you honestly feel that all of those QB's will be better than anyone we might get in this years draft?

In comment 16666444 rsjem1979 said:

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In comment 16666421 JT039 said: Quote: Now before anyone gets into these numbers - many of you discounted Jones rookie year totals cause he padded his tats against the worst defenses in the league. So if we did that with Jones, we sure as hell should should do it with Nix. If Bo Nix stays on DJ's career trajectory, he won't be 19% of Denver's cap in his sixth year.

What does that have to do with comparing how Nix and Jones played their rookie year.

People started threads this week showing how great Nix has been over a months time, and I just showed how faulty that logic could be. Because we used the reasons why Jones rookie season wasnt nearly as good as the stats showed.

In comment 16666434 ajr2456 said:

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Daniel Jones stat padding his rookie year only gets discounted because he’s never done anything close to similar since, and the supporters of Jones always say how good his rookie year was. We’ll see if Nix can replicate those performances in non stay padding situations. It’s too early to discount Nix’s performances, whether stat padding or not

This is correct. I agree with you. Its WAYYYYYYY too early saying that Nix is or was the right pick. Some posters are saying hes already better than Jones cause he had 2 good games against probably the two worst teams in the league. Its way too early to say that.

Williams and Daniels have been difference makers and played well agaisnt good teams. I see a big difference between the 3 of them.

In comment 16666452 JT039 said:

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In comment 16666436 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16666385 JT039 said: Quote: thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs. With this mindset, this is how you trot out Jones for 6 years. So, improving at QB isn't enough - have to wait until you find an all-pro. All while Jones remains the starter. Way to put words into my mouth. Not even close to anything I even remotely said.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. It's just the flaw that comes with that mindset and I don't doubt that's how NYG thinks.

The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale.

There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy".

In comment 16666460 Go Terps said:

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The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale. There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy".

EXACTLY. With the rookie wage scale, QBs should be treated like any other position.

Evan Neal for example. As soon as you realize he's not the guy, you bench him and start trying to find a replacement.

What we should have done with Jones years ago.

Drafting a QB doesn't guarantee success. But sticking with the wrong guy too long will guarantee failure.

In comment 16666460 Go Terps said:

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The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale. There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy".

QB should be viewed as any other position. There are so little truly transcendent QBs that can carry a franchise. People talk like it's easy to find.

Schoen has acquired a new TE each offseason either through draft or trade. Yet with QB, there is this fear with drafting someone.

In comment 16666468 Sean said:

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In comment 16666460 Go Terps said: Quote: The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale. There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy". QB should be viewed as any other position. There are so little truly transcendent QBs that can carry a franchise. People talk like it's easy to find. Schoen has acquired a new TE each offseason either through draft or trade. Yet with QB, there is this fear with drafting someone.

That's because the Giants continue to view the position like it's a US senator.

So I ask for the millionth time: who is the guy in the 2025 class that is going to make their hearts go pitter patter?

The only guy I could see is Allar.

In comment 16666471 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666468 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16666460 Go Terps said: Quote: The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale. There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy". QB should be viewed as any other position. There are so little truly transcendent QBs that can carry a franchise. People talk like it's easy to find. Schoen has acquired a new TE each offseason either through draft or trade. Yet with QB, there is this fear with drafting someone. That's because the Giants continue to view the position like it's a US senator. So I ask for the millionth time: who is the guy in the 2025 class that is going to make their hearts go pitter patter? The only guy I could see is Allar.

"The Giants" is not the same
Schoen and Daboll will get their guy
If this was the same ol Giants they would have drafted Odunze over Nabers

and, by your reasoning, JJM would have been the "safe" pick

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Caleb Williams and Drake Maye were talked about more than any other QB for two years leading up to the draft. Last year with exception of Sanders and a little bit of Carson Beck they were after thoughts. Throw in Jayden Daniels who blew up last year and worked himself into the top 3 picks and it made the top of the draft off the charts. You also had Penix an older SR having a monster year. Nix an older SR having a monster year. Plus JJ McCarthy who won the national title. This class doesn't really have that. You don't have the Penix/Nix 100 year olds putting up monster numbers. We haven't been talking about any of the QBs the last few years because of Caleb and Drake. Plus so much talk when talking about QBs is in Archie Manning who of course can't come out until the year after assuming he doesn't stay for his SR year like both Eli and Peyton did.

My point being is these QBs actually are pretty good, but they don't have the hype of last years class that was built up for YEARS. I mean we talked about 5 star Bo Nix when he was a FR at Auburn in 2004 20 years ago I believe. Don't quote me on the timing on that. They took all the talk and now people are like what do we have? We have a good class in Milroe, Bech, Ward, Sanders, Ewers, etc depending who comes out of course.

In comment 16666458 Sean said:

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In comment 16666452 JT039 said: Quote: In comment 16666436 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16666385 JT039 said: Quote: thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs. With this mindset, this is how you trot out Jones for 6 years. So, improving at QB isn't enough - have to wait until you find an all-pro. All while Jones remains the starter. Way to put words into my mouth. Not even close to anything I even remotely said. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. It's just the flaw that comes with that mindset and I don't doubt that's how NYG thinks.

There’s a clear dinsticntion in saying finding a franchise QBs that helps you win games and finding an all pro.

We need a QB to help us win games - there’s about 12-15 now in the NFL that fall in that category. So drafting one should be doable. They don’t need to be all pros.

We knew this already. But I still think we'll be in a good spot. Provided we target the guy we really want... and I think that's doable. Other than Sanders and Ward, no one is really standing out. And that's good for us. In most drafts, there's always a diamond in the rough no one really sees coming. And after identifying Maye last spring, I trust Schoen and company to scope that guy out (or even pick the right guy who's showing some warts now [like Beck or Ewers], but will shine at the next level).

In comment 16666471 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666468 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16666460 Go Terps said: Quote: The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale. There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy". QB should be viewed as any other position. There are so little truly transcendent QBs that can carry a franchise. People talk like it's easy to find. Schoen has acquired a new TE each offseason either through draft or trade. Yet with QB, there is this fear with drafting someone. That's because the Giants continue to view the position like it's a US senator. So I ask for the millionth time: who is the guy in the 2025 class that is going to make their hearts go pitter patter? The only guy I could see is Allar.

If we still have the current regime (I would probably move on), I think Dabs will love the skill set that Sanders has.

Anyone who watches college football could tell you this.

In comment 16666460 Go Terps said:

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The fundamental flaw in the system is drafting a quarterback and acting like he has to be "the guy". That may have been the case when the #1 overall pick QB instantly became one of the highest paid players in the league on a 6 year contract, but that has been eliminated with the rookie wage scale. There is no requirement that the next QB drafted has to be "the guy".

I agree, but when you have the #6 pick you want to have a pretty good chance of becoming "the guy". If we're talking about pipeline and small bets - definitely keep trying stuff, see if you can get lucky or even just get some decent cheap option. At #6 though, the opportunity cost is high. I'm looking for a 30-40% chance that the guy is "the guy" (ie a top 10-ish QB for multiple years).

In comment 16666241 battttles said:

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top QB in this class might slot in as ~QB4 against last year's class.

What did the NFL think of Brady, and Purdy? For that matter, what did they think of Joe Montana (3rd round #82), Brett Favre (2nd round #33), Drew Brees (2nd round #32), Russell Wilson (3rd round #75), Joe Theismann (Round 4 #99)?

What did the NFL think of JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Sam Bradford, or Mitch Trubisky? All drafted as pick #1 or #2, no Super Bowl wins.

"The NFL" misses more than it hits early in Round 1. This is because to draft that high, you have to have a really bad team, and it's rare that a QB fixes that.

In comment 16666502 IchabodGiant said:

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If we still have the current regime (I would probably move on), I think Dabs will love the skill set that Sanders has.

Daboll isn't making the call on QB. Neither is Schoen.

I'd bet my house that the Giants would not draft Sanders.

In comment 16666506 Jerry in_DC said:

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I agree, but when you have the #6 pick you want to have a pretty good chance of becoming "the guy". If we're talking about pipeline and small bets - definitely keep trying stuff, see if you can get lucky or even just get some decent cheap option. At #6 though, the opportunity cost is high. I'm looking for a 30-40% chance that the guy is "the guy" (ie a top 10-ish QB for multiple years).

Like Brady? Or Bart Starr? Or Joe Montana?

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In comment 16666502 IchabodGiant said: Quote: If we still have the current regime (I would probably move on), I think Dabs will love the skill set that Sanders has. Daboll isn't making the call on QB. Neither is Schoen. I'd bet my house that the Giants would not draft Sanders.

Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll get to find out. I think we’ll have to trade up if we want him.

But there are QBs as good, if not better, than the other 4 QBs taken.

In comment 16666512 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666502 IchabodGiant said: Quote: If we still have the current regime (I would probably move on), I think Dabs will love the skill set that Sanders has. Daboll isn't making the call on QB. Neither is Schoen. I'd bet my house that the Giants would not draft Sanders.

I'm not trying to be patronizing here, but you seem like a pretty bright guy.

But I don't know how anyone could have watched "Hard Knocks" and concluded Schoen is not in the driver's seat for this organization with all personnel.

For example, when Mara is claiming he is having palpitations because Schoen may make a deal to move up to possibly acquire a QB, how is that not a convincing piece of evidence that Schoen is in charge?

And then Mara walks in Brown's office and recounts the same situation in 2004 when Accorsi decided to draft Eli. There was zero indication in that discussion that Mara made that call...

If you can’t get believe that at this point, you are blind or clueless.

Or both.

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Everything I've heard is Mara likes Jones, but Schoen made the call, and Mara is appropriately critical of the outcome.

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top QB in this class might slot in as ~QB4 against last year's class.

Well, QB4 was right there for the taking in 2024. Let's see how things turn out. I doubt we're in position to get QB1 in 2025.

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Everything I've heard is Mara likes Jones, but Schoen made the call, and Mara is appropriately critical of the outcome.

If true, he needs to go. If he can't identify what he's seeing in Jones, why should he be the one to pick the next franchise QB?

that if Schoen had correctly identified Jones as a backup caliber player and told Mara that his highest offer would be 1 year/$12 M, that Mara would've been like "ok cool, no problem. You're running the team."?

In comment 16666643 Jerry in_DC said:

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that if Schoen had correctly identified Jones as a backup caliber player and told Mara that his highest offer would be 1 year/$12 M, that Mara would've been like "ok cool, no problem. You're running the team."?

Schoen should have identified Jones as something close to that.

But in your scenario, I would have hoped Mara should/would have said then why not utilize the transition tag to sort out value. Or Franchise tag if he wanted to force the issue.

In comment 16666643 Jerry in_DC said:

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that if Schoen had correctly identified Jones as a backup caliber player and told Mara that his highest offer would be 1 year/$12 M, that Mara would've been like "ok cool, no problem. You're running the team."?

Well, Schoen convinced Mara to let Barkley, their "most popular" player, walk. And that guy actually put asses in seats and moved merchandise for Mara.

So, yes, per your example, I believe if Schoen had a plan that made sense to replace and transition from Jones, Mara doesn't interfere. But it was never going to get there because Schoen was a sold-on Jones, which is why he offered and signed him to $160M contract. If Mara was really running the show, I believe he would have compelled Schoen in 2022 to pick-up Jones's 5th year option. Why didn't that happen?

Obviously, this is all subjective...

If you know the Giants, no chance in hell they draft Sanders. None. Even if we have the top pick & he's the consensus number one prospect.

to Jones’ neck rehab as to why Mara didn’t overrule passing on the 5th year option.

Even though Daboll said publicly he was good and would be cleared for spring team practicing.

In comment 16666643 Jerry in_DC said:

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that if Schoen had correctly identified Jones as a backup caliber player and told Mara that his highest offer would be 1 year/$12 M, that Mara would've been like "ok cool, no problem. You're running the team."?

Such a scenario runs counter to everything I've observed with this team over many years. It's not how they operate.

Remember who had to be convinced to move on from Phil Simms and Kerry Collins. Those were not GM calls.

QB and head coach are both ownership-level calls. One of the few things Gettleman got right is that the GM of the New York Giants is support staff.

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Everything I've heard is Mara likes Jones, but Schoen made the call, and Mara is appropriately critical of the outcome. If true, he needs to go. If he can't identify what he's seeing in Jones, why should he be the one to pick the next franchise QB?

I don't think he should. Schoen bought milk because he was responsible for the drinks and perceived it was a good deal.

Now he's the guy who brought reasonably priced milk to a dinner party.

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In comment 16666634 christian said: Quote: Everything I've heard is Mara likes Jones, but Schoen made the call, and Mara is appropriately critical of the outcome. If true, he needs to go. If he can't identify what he's seeing in Jones, why should he be the one to pick the next franchise QB?

The decision being scrutinized here is not Schoen's decision to bring back Jones - it's the how and the eventual price tag. Nobody was really pushing back on the decision to at least try to re-sign DJ after the 2022 season. Certainly not given that we were picking in the 20s in the following year's draft.

Even the knowledgeable pundits who saw the holes in Jones's game back then thought that another year under Daboll could potentially elevate him even further.

In comment 16666303 DeVito32 said:

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1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix. 2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot. 3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do. 4) Nix is playing well. People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

There was no scenario they could have paid a kings ransom to trade up for one of the top 3? I bet they could of.

They sent an army of people out to Penix's pro day. We may "know nothing" about Penix, but they sure know plenty about Jones.

This is is why you draft a QB- to find out if they can play. If not, you move on and try to find someone else quickly.

I think Nabers was a mistake at 6, but we will find out.

In comment 16666659 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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If you know the Giants, no chance in hell they draft Sanders. None. Even if we have the top pick & he's the consensus number one prospect.

Agree to disagree. If the situation is as you described above, the Giants would take Sanders. In a heartbeat.

In comment 16666532 IchabodGiant said:

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In comment 16666512 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 16666502 IchabodGiant said: Quote: If we still have the current regime (I would probably move on), I think Dabs will love the skill set that Sanders has. Daboll isn't making the call on QB. Neither is Schoen. I'd bet my house that the Giants would not draft Sanders. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll get to find out. I think we’ll have to trade up if we want him.

I think if we want any of the QBs we'll have to trade up, because we're going to probably win 4 more games.

Re Sanders, I think Daboll wouldn't mind him, but there's no way Mara would allow Sanders to be the "face of the franchise".

If Sanders or whomever provided the team optimism with wins and inspiring play at QB. Was looked upon well by his teammates and the fans, and his jersey started popping up around the NYC metro.

He'd be the face of the franchise.

Stop trying to force feed general disappointment with an owner down some dark path.

Because it was an issue last year, but got no public resolution:

I sure hope Shedeur has put his musical ambitions aside. The last two guys who were into making music did not pan out.

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If Sanders or whomever provided the team optimism with wins and inspiring play at QB. Was looked upon well by his teammates and the fans, and his jersey started popping up around the NYC metro. He'd be the face of the franchise. Stop trying to force feed general disappointment with an owner down some dark path.

What "dark path" are you talking about?

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In comment 16667078 ThomasG said: Quote: If Sanders or whomever provided the team optimism with wins and inspiring play at QB. Was looked upon well by his teammates and the fans, and his jersey started popping up around the NYC metro. He'd be the face of the franchise. Stop trying to force feed general disappointment with an owner down some dark path. What "dark path" are you talking about?

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there's no way Mara would allow Sanders to be the "face of the franchise"

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In comment 16667111 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 16667078 ThomasG said: Quote: If Sanders or whomever provided the team optimism with wins and inspiring play at QB. Was looked upon well by his teammates and the fans, and his jersey started popping up around the NYC metro. He'd be the face of the franchise. Stop trying to force feed general disappointment with an owner down some dark path. What "dark path" are you talking about? Your comment... Quote: there's no way Mara would allow Sanders to be the "face of the franchise"

Yes. That's something several posters in this topic and others have noted, so it's not just my sole observation.

I think Mara would be open to any of the other QB prospects that we've mentioned as possible first rounders as the face of the franchise. But no way would he go for Sanders.

about this is ridiculous and unfounded. I think it's bullshit. IF Sanders was the CONSENSUS number 1 pick, and Giants were in that spot, they would take him. No doubt.

There is ZERO evidence of what is being suggested. Frankly, those that propose it are embarrassing themselves.

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In comment 16667127 ThomasG said: Quote: In comment 16667111 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 16667078 ThomasG said: Quote: If Sanders or whomever provided the team optimism with wins and inspiring play at QB. Was looked upon well by his teammates and the fans, and his jersey started popping up around the NYC metro. He'd be the face of the franchise. Stop trying to force feed general disappointment with an owner down some dark path. What "dark path" are you talking about? Your comment... Quote: there's no way Mara would allow Sanders to be the "face of the franchise" Yes. That's something several posters in this topic and others have noted, so it's not just my sole observation. I think Mara would be open to any of the other QB prospects that we've mentioned as possible first rounders as the face of the franchise. But no way would he go for Sanders.

Well at least you and several other posters think just as badly alike.

And while it may not be your sole observation this take is a really poor soul observation.

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about this is ridiculous and unfounded. I think it's bullshit. IF Sanders was the CONSENSUS number 1 pick, and Giants were in that spot, they would take him. No doubt. There is ZERO evidence of what is being suggested. Frankly, those that propose it are embarrassing themselves.

Anyone whose watched this team, how they draft players, the comments the Maras have made over the last 2 decades or so, and comments people in the know around the league have made, would know that Sanders is just not what Mara would be comfortable with as QB. Not even if he were consensus #1 and we had the #1 overall pick. Mara would want to trade the pick.

So let me spell out exactly why - the circus surrounding him and his Dad, the off field stuff, his behavior (like throwing teammates under the bus, for a more recent example).

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In comment 16667209 IchabodGiant said: Quote: about this is ridiculous and unfounded. I think it's bullshit. IF Sanders was the CONSENSUS number 1 pick, and Giants were in that spot, they would take him. No doubt. There is ZERO evidence of what is being suggested. Frankly, those that propose it are embarrassing themselves. Anyone whose watched this team, how they draft players, the comments the Maras have made over the last 2 decades or so, and comments people in the know around the league have made, would know that Sanders is just not what Mara would be comfortable with as QB. Not even if he were consensus #1 and we had the #1 overall pick. Mara would want to trade the pick. So let me spell out exactly why - the circus surrounding him and his Dad, the off field stuff, his behavior (like throwing teammates under the bus, for a more recent example).

All the stuff you listed above is being overblown a little bit.

But this is irrelevant to what is being hinted at. And I think you know it. Keep up.

that Mara has preferences when it comes to his Face of the Franchise.

I think it's an open question whether he'd permit a Face of the Franchise to be somebody who doesn't align with those preferences.

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that Mara has preferences when it comes to his Face of the Franchise. I think it's an open question whether he'd permit a Face of the Franchise to be somebody who doesn't align with those preferences.

No, what are those specific preferences?

Is this all about Eli and his memorabilia fraud problems and dragging Mara thru that bad look as the Face of his Franchise?

He's the one I want. If we can't get him, then I'd go the veteran route,

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In comment 16667454 Jerry in_DC said: Quote: that Mara has preferences when it comes to his Face of the Franchise. I think it's an open question whether he'd permit a Face of the Franchise to be somebody who doesn't align with those preferences. No, what are those specific preferences? Is this all about Eli and his memorabilia fraud problems and dragging Mara thru that bad look as the Face of his Franchise?

No one cared about that. It received less attention than a player going to a concert on an off day.

Was I too light with the intended sarcasm?

In comment 16667441 IchabodGiant said:

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In comment 16667357 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 16667209 IchabodGiant said: Quote: about this is ridiculous and unfounded. I think it's bullshit. IF Sanders was the CONSENSUS number 1 pick, and Giants were in that spot, they would take him. No doubt. There is ZERO evidence of what is being suggested. Frankly, those that propose it are embarrassing themselves. Anyone whose watched this team, how they draft players, the comments the Maras have made over the last 2 decades or so, and comments people in the know around the league have made, would know that Sanders is just not what Mara would be comfortable with as QB. Not even if he were consensus #1 and we had the #1 overall pick. Mara would want to trade the pick. So let me spell out exactly why - the circus surrounding him and his Dad, the off field stuff, his behavior (like throwing teammates under the bus, for a more recent example). All the stuff you listed above is being overblown a little bit. But this is irrelevant to what is being hinted at. And I think you know it. Keep up.

You state that as if it's a fact but you're wrong. Carry on.