Is This Eli's 1st Hip-Hop Shout-Out?

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wayne says "I'm manning up like Eli"

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actually had the first I can think of.

beautiful

...than MVP.

Eli must be soooo proud~

that people who dislike rap are particularly obnoxious and self righteous about it?

I think in Ballin it went something like "Osi do the sackin/Eli do the passin"

Poetry.

I am very much into linguistics and there are some amazing word artists out there.

Game also mentions him in the song "Through My Eyes"

talent is poor right now.

but there's still some talented artists out there. I think the perception is blurred because most of the stuff that gets played on the radio (Plies, T Pain, etc.) is really just awful.

are in the toilet right now...

a steaming pile of monkey crap that is. rap music has gone wayyyy downhill.

" Artists ?"

it's entertaining as a novelty for anyone under 12...

Yes, there are some artists in the hip-hop realm. Not many.

Listen to some "Immortal Technique," and tell me that guy's not an artist. Then tell me that his target demographic is 12 and under.

"My hole family carry arms like eli manning"

"flow sicker than tiki in front of his tv watchin e fleet and throw the game winning t.d to p.b"

i was trying to figure out that budden line from the addiciton freestyle. What is E fleet supposed to mean?

What is your genre of choice?

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hip-hop in quite a few years, I just think it's cool (and funny) that Eli is getting credit in hip-hop songs.

The Game > Skip Bayless

more specifically Roger Waters...

Immortal Technique is crazy ill and his lyrics speak about things that really matter...totally agree!

I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.

Very true. But I think you'll agree that his lyrics are not about things that matter to a 12 year old.

no

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Then take back what you said about rap. Unless you're the kinda guy who would speak of that which he does not know.

"crazy ill" should not be allowed in public...

and communicates in a different way. I am sure there are plenty of things that you say or expressions that you use that others in the country might find strange.

Some anonymous person on the internet said "crazy ill." That's a perfectly good reason to ignore something that you judge. Well done!

they might not even matter to a 21 year old in some cases lol

it was an attempted revolt by the people not cool enough to understand rock n roll and it died just like disco...

Stop showing yer ignorance. Change the subject. Talk about something that you know.

When yer kid is in her early teens, if she has any spunk at all, she'll educate you on this subject. Until then, just STFU.

past the age of 8, they'll be looking for a new place to live...

They will listen to that crap, and you will learn about it. Whether you ever learn to appreciate it is another question. But guaranteed they'll be listening to it. I taught my kids about Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin, and received an education about Immortal Technique and Busta Rhymes. You will too. (Although the rap artists will have changed.)

arguing with people that think 2nd grade ghetto rhymes are "art", and the POS gansta wannabes are "artists". Art is in the eye (ear ) of the beholder. I left some art in my toilet this morning that made me feel much better than any rap song I ever heard. But thats just me. To each his own.

I listened on purpose. But there is some hip-hop out there that definitely qualifies as art. You can make a broad, sweeping generalization if you'd like, but it would be wise to consider that there may be things of which you are unaware.

I will have to agrre with you.

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Precisely. There are good and bad in all things.

To anybody who thinks that rocknroll is uniformly great I have three words for you: Flock of Seagulls. (Or, if you want to go back further, the BeeGees.) Duran Duran. We can play that game.

and some Miles Davis...

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Check out Immortal Technique. He will blow your fucking mind! He's like Dostoyevsky meets Dirty Harry with a tinfoil hat.

...the BeeGees sucked?

Holy cow.

like this
Link - ( New Window )

Yes they sucked. I wouldn't have said this a month ago, but I had the misfortune of listening to a "retrospective" on the band on the radio a couple of weeks back. All the songs brought back instant memories. And the production values (and harmonies) were flawless. But ultimately, they sucked. They never sang about anything that mattered to somneone older than 12, imo.

on your recommendation I will, and when I do I'll let you know what I think. For the record, I own over 900 cds,and 1000 lps, covering classical, jazz , counry ,rock, blues, reggae, bluegrass, you name it. I have just never "gotten " the rap thing. Im also a beleiver in the fact that if the music moves you, than its good. Nothing is more personal than music.

post rap lyrics. Motown might call you racist.

Wow.

Bwahahahahaha

Thanks for that! With hip-hop, the lyrics are everything. It's not actually really lyrical music. A more accurate description would be poetry to beats. A rap artist needs to have his or her words understood. I was talking above about the BeeGees never singing about whatever. Then I thought about it. I have no idea what the BeeGees sang about at all. I can't understand any of their lyrics. This was fine for the Stones, who were rocking out and the lyrics were irrelevant. But the BeeGees? No.

That in Daddy's car, we rock out, in Mommy's car, we get funky.. She likes more hip-hop, I like more rock & roll..

Our genre's will cross every now and then and one of us will find an album that the other loves more. I'm glad the boy appreciates both those styles, along with others and just likes music, period.

is not deep at all.

Listen to some Jedi Mind Tricks or Army of the Pharoahs if you want some really amazing rap.

To love somebody..

Hmmmmmm. NTTAWWT

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"..in Daddy's car, we rock out, in Mommy's car, we get funky"

My love of what? Or was that just a generic putdown? What are you talking about? My love of music? Of my kids? You are a judgemental jerk, aren't you? You love to talk about shit that you don't know about. You've tried for years to insult me, and have universally failed. But now you're talking about my love. What the fuck do you know about my love? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Jerk.

1. very fucking deep

and 2, brillantly rapped, especially the second verse by Rugged Man
Uncommon Valor (A Vietnam Story) - ( New Window )

Not feeling the love from the 'bears' this week.

And those are his words!

...your explanation is relevant...how?

I'm a little bit rock and roll...

Relevant to what?

Last year in light of legistlation outlawing dodgeball, I wrote and recorded a satrical rap song that dismissed the legal intervention and defending the sport that was so sacred to the gym classes of my youth. The line went as follows:


It's only a game and I mean no harm
But I must be Eli Manning with my laser rocket arm.



FWIW, I used the instrumental from Nuthin' but G Thang

Her tits and ass are so baby.

I was plagiarized by The Game.

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..it's definately deep. Interesting, but good music?

no~

...not political poetry.

Your criticism of the Bee Gee's music makes no sense.

Note where I said that hip hop is better defined as poetry to beats. Maybe the problem is mismatched definitions. This thread is about hip hop. Part of the problem is that in one sense, hip hop is closer to poetry than music. If nothing else, it's the intersection of the two on a different level than lyrical music. Or, you can think of rocknroll and rap as being on the same continuum, but rocknroll being closer to music and rap being closer to poetry.

rocknroll is music that just happens to (sometimes) have lyrics added to it. Hip hop is poetry that just happens to (sometimes) have music added to it.

thanks for ripping into me to expose your ignorance on yet another subject.

It's a tragedy. When the feelings gone and you can't go on. Tragedy.

You don't have to "get" my dislike of the BeeGees. It's not like we're talking about mutual funds here.

Fuck you. Smell my farts.

Judgment Night Soundtrack

Quit the act. We know.

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fatman: mudbear : 12:44 pm My love of what? Or was that just a generic putdown? What are you talking about? My love of music? Of my kids? You are a judgemental jerk, aren't you? You love to talk about shit that you don't know about. You've tried for years to insult me, and have universally failed. But now you're talking about my love. What the fuck do you know about my love? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Jerk.

I love it. This should be reserved for a padded room though.

I'm a judgemental jerk because of a comment made about the Bee Gees. You really are bat shit crazy, aren't you?

which act should I quit? The one where I post Bee Gees lyrics that get misinterpreted by the clinically insane or the one where I make jokes, or the one where I get you to flip out needlessly.

You need to tell me so I can gut that part of my material.

Cut the bullshit. It don't play no more. Not around me.

Just STFU around me. I am poison to you. Quit drinking it.

you fool around w/ mudbear and you may get smoked, fool.

My love of what is shallow? I'm pretty sure that the word "mudbear" wasn't in the liner jacket.

Hold on. Hold to that sanity..

Three dog night had this by a mile.

Very true. I'll forgive you your love of the BeeGees for your observation of the obvious. I'm batshit crazy. What the fuck is that fool fucking around with me for?

What sanity are you referring to? Mine? Yeah right.

I'm going to change my handle to mudbat.

I just don't think they suck, you know, winning all those awards spanning like 3 decades, and producing all that music for so many famous people.

But I do agree w/ the rest of that statement.

is the don of LA hip hop. He has had on-going beefs with New York rappers, mostly because they laugh at him for his faux tough guy act.

WC hip hop is a joke right now and this is just another example of The Game's NY wannabe.

I think you should go with it... Start spitting fire!

RAP BATTLE!!!!!!!!!

you are going crazy while everyone else here knew exactly what "love" I was talking about.

I'm sorry it isn't deep enough. But I really mean to learn.

it's 'cause we're living in a world of fools, breaking us down, when they all should let us be....

sittin' on his chair writin' bullshit 'bout me. What he don't know is that I'm really crazy. He starts talkin' shit about crap he don't know. I'll fuck him up. He'll be wishin' I won't go. He can talk all that horseshit he don't know about me. He done fucked up when he talked about my family. My love is deep. So deep he don't know. I'll fuck him up. He'll be wishin' I won't go.

(I know. I know. It sux. Just because I appreciate some hip hop doesn't mean I'm a practitioner of said art...)

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did I talk about??

By the way, your tirade has me rolling over here. Absolutely rolling.

simply awesome.

You're sittin' there telling me about everyone else knowing what you were talking about. You used my name. Were you not talking to me? If you were, then who the fuck cares what other people know. If you weren't, then don't use my name, motherfucker.

in at least a week.

You said my love wasn't deep. What the fuck do you know about my love? You think I don't love my family? You are fucked up. Here is a psyber middle finger.

shit is flying out of my nose.

I'm still rolling in laughter. Rolling.

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you're living in a world of fools... Breaking you down....

They should all just let you be.

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You snotty nosed shit. Don't answer my question. Clean up your keyboard. And STFU.

You may not think that I care for you, when you know down inside that I really do.

And it's me you need to show. How deep is your love.

Quick, what rhymes with "You crazy water boy.."

be talkin' all that Jive
watch out fatman
you need to be stayin alive...

"They?" "Let me be?" Really?

how deep IS your love mudbear?

already. It's ridiculous.

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with which to further confound this ursine nutcase.

all those fools trying to break you down, when they should all just let you be (leave you alone).

to send this shit to Chappelle or somebody.

I'm absolutely fucking dying. People are wondering why I'm laughing my ass off for the past 20 minutes.

at my desk so my students can't see how hard I'm laughing.

Is mudbear for real?

He can't be, right?

There's gonna be a showdown.

Riiigghhhttt. I get it. They should all leave me alone! You hear that, fat fuck?

this world belongs to you and me....

Da da da daaaaa da, da da da daaaaaa da da daaaaa da da....

He questioned the depth of my love. Fucker! He spoke about shit which he doesn't know. I'll fuck him up.

you're a holiday. Such a holiday, man.

since Muddy's 1:17 post.

"You said my love wasn't deep. What the fuck do you know about my love?"

just wow

how deep your love was.

What part of that question talks about your family?

If you think I was talking about your family, I want to at least earn it with some good insults.

It's a tragedy. It really is.

Fuck you. Don't talk about my love. And you can take your fucking BeeGees lyrics and stick them where the sun don't shine.

Open up the heaven in your heart and let me be
The things you are to me and not some puppet on a string

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the fatal blow. better call this one now bro.

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he's a crazy man with a mind like toast.

you brighten up my day...

in case I get that Night Fever.

that had the whole site laughing.

so angry?

can turn out to be, so wrong ,

oh my mudbear

Who's with me?

I think they should all just let him be....

I've never had a problem with you but you seriously misinterpretted fatman's post and the meltdown ensued, what I'm trying to say is you can't blame fatman, blame it all



On the nights on Broadway
singin them sweet sounds
to that crazy, crazy town...

Are you lying, or confused? You didn't ask about my love. You made a definitive statement about it. You thought you were just being glib and funny. Ha ha! But you questioned the depth of my love. You can question my sanity. You can question my love of the Giants. You can question my patriotism. All of these things are secondary. But don't question my love, you piece of shit. You don't even fucking know. How dare you! Failed attempt at a Beegees pun or not, the words were spoken. You finally hurled an insult that meant something to me. Fuck you and the glib, dry, erudite, superior boat that you rowed in on.

act liking grown a$$ men for real for real

and nobody gets too much heaven no more.

Its much harder to come by

I'm waiting in line

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Andy Glib!

How the hell do all you guys know these lyrics? You must be googling them. I could never understand a word that those guys sang.

in mudbear's last ditch attempt to get Thread of the Year honors?

C'mon you guys can tell me.

Mudbear, your rant is absolutely killing me. You sir, are such a clueless fuckwad you don't even know it. Hope the old blood pressure wasn't high to begin with.

This is why I've always thought FatMan was a prick. He's what I call a Blue Oyster Cunt.

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You're having delusions of grandeur. My blood pressure only goes up when someone worthy of more than a few idly-typed internet chatboard words comes along. You ain't that. (Asshole.)

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a guy who completely dreamt up an insult towards him says "I" have delusions of grandeur.

Shit, there goes another keyboard.

a) has a closet full of keyboards,
b) works at a company that sells keyboards
c) is a god damn liar!

on this glibness thing. Does that make me more like Matt Lauer or Tom Cruise??

I really don't want to be a closeted gay Scientologist, so please say Lauer.

You finally hurled an insult that meant something to me. Fuck you and the glib, dry, erudite, superior boat that you rowed in on.


My blood pressure only goes up when someone worthy of more than a few idly-typed internet chatboard words comes along. You ain't that. (Asshole.)

mudbear's love...
FatMan in Charlotte : 12:41 pm
is not deep at all.

You don't fuck with a man's love. Of what, I have no idea.

I'm assuming you think that those two statements are mutually exclusive. How so? Just because the fat fuck doesn't even comprehend how old his fat fuck act has worn with me doesn't mean that I'm bent out of shape over this. He's a piece of shit. What else is new?

Is palpable..

America?

That's "nonworkedupedness."

at the quote and I'm still failing to see the outrage.

Maybe I was saying your love of me isn't deep. That really seems to be the case. Maybe you have no love for Deer Park. Maybe your love of sanity isn't there.

All I know is that I'm going to love when SNL does a skit on this. And ,no, I'm not splitting the profits.

You called me a mean, fat, fuck and that crossed the line. I'm hurt.

or Mudbear love?



should we explain this to him or just wait another hour, there's lots more BGs lyrics we could use...

Want some more? Fucker?

America.

it would be nonworkeduppedness.

What the fuck is that, some kind of soft drink company???

Deep Park?

How Deer is your park?

and Ventura Highway

don't feel bad...you should be dancing..after all only you know how to mend a broken heart...

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This thread is chock full of 'win'

give me all you have. Maybe I'll finally snap and issue a real family insult.

I got dibbs on casting Andy Glib as Point Dexter...

horse with no name?

SPIT!

and ask for permission when to stop, you dog.

NO

WE WILL FIGHT LIKE LIONS!

(stopped after Fats' 1:14 post) post, so if you've already been told mudbear I apologize...but I think what Fat's is saying is that you're overreacting to something he said.

That said...the main reason why I decided to post on this thread is only to say...Britt...your 1:01 post...LLLLLMMMMMMMFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

your wife's pimply ass?

Because that's only how deep my love will go on that front.

annual nominee for worst song lyrics ever recorded...

and I'm throwing my Buster Browns at you.

did it take before you were looking at a riverbed?

You try to kiss my wife's ass, and I'll have you.

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have him what? Do tell..

If I want to smell something putrid, I'll drive to NJ.

No need to go clear to Colorado.

you'll need to take me to the river

but i did recognize that the ocean is the desert with it's life underground and the perfect disguise above...

You don't have to get up off your computer chair to smell something putrid.

now its almost 200...

*reads*

under the city?

where the humans would give no love


but don't question that love otherwise here we go again...

Again...you DO know that Fats wasn't dissin you in his 'love' post right? You're pretty much going off on him for no reason you know that right?

Please say 'yes'...

named Golden Hair Surprise.

C'mon man - you are going to ruin why this thread is Golden!

get the hell outta here man...

MY BAD, MY BAD!!!

I think he was talkin about your momma mudbear. At least that's how I took it. GET HIM!

Don't snitch ..

fatman is a piece of shit, and I don't need a reason to go off on him. He types shit that he doesn't mean all the time. He might not have had an intent to hurt me, as he later (half-heartedly) claimed. But I don't give a shit. This goes way back. I've got very thick skin. It's just that sometimes I enjoy scratching it. Especially when it comes to real assholes like FMIC who thinks his shit don't stink.

Other than to tell the whole world that he's better than any other rapper in the world (which a lot of these songs are about), what the fuck does this song mean and why would *anyone* over the age of 12 give a shit? Are you for real with this crap???

I'm a weapon that fires
Lyrical projectiles with no mercy
I'm cold blooded like reptiles
Touch a pregnant bitch and make her give birth to a dead child
Every time I flex styles
Niggas vacate the premises and become exiles
I manufacture rhymes like textiles of x-files
And lighten juveniles
Living life with no purpose
Organize a army that will make the devil's nervous
Competition is worthless
Like the electoral vote
If you provoke I'll break your motherfucking neck in a yoke
Your better off throwing your shitty life away sniffing coke
Technique will choke you into a spiritual state
And it will take a lake of hydrochloric acid to soften this
I'll fake your parents suicide and kill you in the orphanage
But I inspire ideological metamorphosis
Stop talking shit or I'll make your existence a memory
So you can have me frozen cryogenically for centuries
But I'll break the ice if anyone on the planet mentions me
I'll burn a hypocritical flag intentionally
Explosive revolutionary
Chemistry's my destiny

[Chorus: 2x]
No mercy is what I chemically bomb on enemies
Your life's a fucking mistake, technique is the remedy
Destroy you before you become what you intended to be
And in the future you'll worship those that descended from me

[Verse Two]
When I fight you I won't snipe you
I'll use a HIV infected needle to strike you
As well as anyone that vaguely resembles or looks like you
And just to spite you I'll force your children
At gun point to bite you
And rip a piece off
To start the beef off of the rest of your petty limited life
I'm coming at cha to catch ya by surprising the sight
Nobodies stupid enough to back ya when tactically attack ya
Because my style is nasty like protruding bone fractures
And your a played out dirty pussy devil
Like Margaret Thatcher
But technique never get captured inside the rapture
Cause I mastered the art of causing natural disasters
You should learn the difference
In between the students and the master
My stature is the dispatcher of damaging decibels
And even though my starving people are considered expendable
I consecutively escape the racist corporate tenticles
I spit raw kinetic energy that's immeasurable
Retaliation for perpetration is unendable
Mercy is not extendible
I'll break your fucking brain down into psychological chemicals

to half-heartedly claim anything.

You completely over reacted because of your past history with me, and instead of just realizing it, you've just carried on like an insane fucker for the past few hours.

Hey, if you don't mind, I don't. It makes you look like the fucking tits, dude. I can dig it.

If I had a thin skin, I'd have gone off as well, but playing with the mentally retarded gets tiring sometimes. This isn't one of those times, but it could have been.

You're the tits and bat guano all rolled up in one.

Its a song of love and hope and magic.

Thanks for posting those. That's one of his more provocative, but maybe less substantial raps. But I dig it. Like "Dostoyevsky meets Dirty Harry with a tinfoil hat." No?

if the rest of BBI didn't think it was just another 'rap is great/rap sucks' argument.

Who would've thought this topic would erupt into classic FMiC/Mudbear action?

so it's the rhymes...you don't give a crap that his message sucks and he's a narcassistic windbag?

I glanced at it twice and thought the same thing. Thankfully someone gave me the heads up.

I'm converted
should i busta move now?

...brick every once in while.

You just don't get it. Like I give a flying fuck what you and your little clique of sycophants think about me. I come on this website to escape convention. This is me. It's who I am. I love very mother fucking deeply, and I don't want to hear your appraisal of that love, however Glibbly expressed. You had the chance to say "I didn't really mean that," but you didn't. Instead, you continued to disrespect me and mock me. So fuck you. Don't worry. I don't give a shit about you. Your existence won't cause any health problems or any problems whatsoever in my life. Thank you for your concern. But understand that I don't have the arrogance to go around questioning other people's sanity. Only one of us has that. And as Roger Waters so eruditely said "how can you tell if you're mad. Even if you're not mad?" You should learn from the people you idolize, prick.

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Are you sure? (Damn.)

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or you wouldn't bounce off the padded walls at a comment that wasn't even an insult.

Listen to me you twat. If you are going to accuse me of insulting you, I want to earn it. I want to call you an incestuous mouth-breather, or maybe a gaping cum-dripping asshole. Heck, maybe just calling you a simple demented motherfucker will work.

But you didn't even give me that pleasure. I had you at "deep", and the rest is history. A glorious afternoon history of rolling on my ass laughing!!!

I agree.
Fatman is a prince.

Aw! That's CUTE! (Well, my point was delivered anyway. And how the hell could a batshit crazy piece of shit like myself tell the difference between the two anyway? The only way I can tell is that rockythompson doesn't specifically hate me.)

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BBI.

You had me at "love." I know you're a family man. So I know that you know what love means. How such a person could be so flippant about that word on an internet chat board shows a lot about his true character. I flew off the handle at you, because when it comes to your interraction with most on this website, you don't know the meaning of the word "love." Just look back through this thread. Where is the love, man? You don't have it. Not for me. You need to get it. You need to love even batshit crazy numbnuts like myself. Because at the end of the day, what else have we got?

Year, holy crap. Tito, give me a tissue.

a damn lot of laughter.

And Motley Blue has Thread of the Year!!

love.

That was Roger the hat, one of their roadies.

None of the spoken bits on DSOTM were band members.

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You had me at "love." I know you're a family man. So I know that you know what love means. How such a person could be so flippant about that word on an internet chat board shows a lot about his true character. I flew off the handle at you, because when it comes to your interraction with most on this website, you don't know the meaning of the word "love." Just look back through this thread. Where is the love, man? You don't have it. Not for me. You need to get it. You need to love even batshit crazy numbnuts like myself. Because at the end of the day, what else have we got?

rockyt hates everyone...he's got a point there.

is this "love" really not like, love in the sense of loving someone like a wife or a child or a cool sunset...you know, like when gangsta's say they demand "respect" when actually what they want is fear and compliance? Maybe the word "love" in this context means "listen to me I'm right and if you don't then you don't 'love' me"?

Is it possible?

...how can you mend a broken heart?...

And it wasn't even that eruditely said...

starting to sense a reconciliation is in the future.

Are you calling mudbear a gangsta of love?

It's the rhymes that make him an "artist." ("Poet," for a start.) His message resonates with me. I don't agree with it. To me, it's a little too much like "Dostoyevsky meets Dirty Harry with a tinfoil hat" for me to do anything with it but admire it's construction. But I think that it is constructed of very solid material, very expertly crafted together. That particular rhyme goes a little more into the "I'll fuck you up" mode that my rap against FMIC earlier in this thread kind of personifies, than I particularly like in a real rapper. But other raps of his are less self-centered, speaking more of the Dostoyevsky and less of the Dirty Harry. (The tinfoil hat is what it's all about. Kurt Vonnegut described artists as canaries in coal mines. They see things before anyone else does, and often lose their grip on sanity and even life itself before the rest of the world comprehends.)

...so who knows?

do you see *any* hypocracy in what you just wrote?

Where's the 'love' in that...ummm...song, for lack of a better word?

it's sad. I guess I'm qualified.

tell us about 9/11? Jerks.

If something resonates with you ... doesn't that pretty much mean you agree with it?

I love Greek food.

Curtis has a dog that tells him he loves him. Literally (says Curtis).

Roger wrote out index cards with random questions and asked studio employees and roadies then recorded thier answers.

Yes, it was me that said I liked Roger Waters, not fatman and i don't hate you mudbear, although I must say you're not doing a very good job of convincing me that i should let my kids listen to rap/hip/hop...

Where's the love in that song? Good question. I could and will if you want tell you where the love is in that song. It's not easy to see, casually. But it's there. But before I do that, I want to ask you about the "hypocrisy" thing. Why is it hypocritical to admire a work of art and demand love at the same time? Have you read "Crime and Punishment?" I read a modern translation, and was floored by that book. The love is hard to see in that book, too. But it's there. It's a love of truth. It's expressed through the mind of a madman. But it's there. But I'd say that you have to differentiate between "love" and "love of art." Two different things.

I've mentioned on here before that a friend of mine watched Waters rehearse in his home studio a few years ago. My friend also took a giant inflatable sheep home.

They were all over the place apparently, and when my friend asked someone if he could take one, the guy said, (british accent, "I don't fuckin' care, I won't fuckin' stop you."

Are you serious? "Let" them? Your kids are young, I take it. As are the fat fuck's.

If a political message resonates with me, yes. This is a rhyme we're discussing here. A song, as it were. A work of art. The word "resonate" means something completely different in this context.

(I'm patting myself on the back so hard my elbow hurts.)

Poh-too-wheet!

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good point. In that context, I retract my hypocracy remark. I still see no redeeming value in the 'rhymes' of a narcassistic idiot who believes the Bush administration was responsible for 9/11...but to each his own, I suppose. Like so many before him, he will be irrelevent in a years time.

You're kids are Americans (most of them, anyway). They will listen to what the fuck they want. If their parents don't want them listening to something, that will make them listen to it all the more. The lack of self-awareness of these people that say that they love rocknroll is astonishing. Our kids are AMERICANS!

What in the fucking bloody hell are you talking about? Political?

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there she goes again talking all that- trash girl stop playing i tapped that- ass we can go real slow or do it-fast just like i thought you ran out of- gas and girl you like the new s-class everytime i look at you i wanna- smash get inside you ??? you drive me crazy girl i can just- crash jump in your pool and- splash then slow it down like an hour- glass turn around girl look at that- ass beautiful as an Eli Manning-Pass round twolets roll some grass get high, think about it then- Laugh i wanna turn you on let me pop your- tags you so fly i wanna check your- bags

of "Proud to be and American" and "I love rock and roll" by Joan Jett.

"TONY" as non other..... MUDBEAR....

Special guest star...FATMAN as..

"The Girl"
****HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE*** - ( New Window )

Baby, don't hurt me. Don't hurt me no more.

You're getting politics and art mixed up. When Dostoyevsky wrote a novel sympathetic to a psychotic murderer about his cat and mouse game with a detective, a lot of people probably thought that Dostoyevsky was advocating murdering someone just because you could to prove it to the universe. That's jumping the gun. Or the shark. The mudshark, as it were.

on a thread like this ... or maybe that batshit nutso is indecipherable?

Won't be able to get that song out of my head all day. Thanks, ASS!

snap their fingers wildly after some of these muddy posts?

just jumped the shark. Classic.

landshark (SNL reference)

OK, I'm good now. Merry Christmas everybody, see you next year...

Yeah. You are getting art and politics mixed up.

Sort of like the way some guy got a Bee Gees lyric and hatred for his family mixed up.

Larry David would love this shit.

Love it!

You asked "isn't something that 'resonates' with you, something that you agree with?" I said that this is the case when one is discussing politics. The word "resonate" has a very specific meaning within the context of modern American politics that strongly implies that if something "resonates" with someone, then that person "agrees with" the thing that "resonates" with him or her.

But we're discussing art here. We're not discussing politics. I can admire Dostoyevsky and Immortal Technique without agreeing with the views expressed by their psychotic characters. Indeed. Not only can I admire them. I can LEARN from them. Bwa hahahahaha! (Evil laughter.)

at the hiding of hatred in song lyrics schtick. Face it.

I present to you Noah Fucking Webster.

Verse 1
I am Posdnous
I be the new generation of slaves
here to make papes to buy a record exec rakes
the pile of revenue I create
But I guess I don't get a cut cuz my rent's a month late
Product of a North Carolina cat
who scratched the back of a pretty woman named Hattie
Who departed life just a little too soon
and didn't see me grab the Plug Tune fame
As we go a little somethin' like this
look ma, no protection
Now I got a daughter named Ayana Monay
And I can play the cowboy to rustle in the dough
so the scenery is healthy where her eyes lay
I am an early bird but the feathers are black
so the apples that I catch are usually all worms
But it's a must to decipher one's queen
from a worm who plays groupie and spread around the bad germ
I cherish the twilight
I maximize, my soul is the right size
I watch for the power to run out on the moon
(And that'll be sometime soon)
Faker than a fist of kids
speakin that they're black
When they're just niggas trying to be Greek
Or some tongues who lied
and said "We'll be natives to the end"
Nowadays we don't even speak
I guess we got our own life to live
Or is it because we want our own kingdom to rule?
Every now and then I step to the now
for now I see back then I might have acted like a fool
Now I won't apologize for it
This is not a bunch of Bradys
but a bunch of black man's pride
Yet I can safely say
I've never played a sister by touching where her private parts reside
I've always walked the right side of the road
If I wasn't making song I wouldn't be a thug selling drugs
But a man with a plan
and if I was a rug cleaner
betcha Pos'd have the cleanest rugs I am.

Just shut up. We're not talking about you anymore. You are so A.M. and it's P.M. right now. We're discussing shit you've already stated that you're prejudiced about. Go away, fat fuck.

is ever used as a negative, as you're saying about the art. If something "resonates" with you, it's something that has (figuratively) made a vibration in you, and the way that phrase is used is in a positive light.

I think you may want to choose a different word or phrase if you don't agree with edicts in a book, or messages sent by a painting, even if you appreciate the artist's talent.

No way!

***BEST DAM THREAD SHOW EVER***


Simply put..


CLASSIC!!

While Dostoyevsky (and other artists) wrote (sing/paint, whatever) things that may be somewhat disturbing in their nature, he wasn't the kind of guy who, shall we say, lived the lifestyle. He wasn't out there actually doing the things he was writing about. You see, no one emulated his stories and thought it would be 'cool' to be like what he wrote about or be cool to live that lifestyle.

He wrote what he wrote, but he was actually a pretty good person in the grand scheme of society. Mr. Technique is not what you'd call an upstanding citizen, calling people to noble deeds and careers. He's a piece of crap that literally would be of no use to society if he couldn't 'rhyme'.

simply because he can rhyme?

Only on BBI can a fight break out over rap vs the bee gees

It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby.

mud likes him, so obviously he's doing something for someone in society.

There it is again. That word "agree." This is art. Why do I have to agree with it? It is true that Immortal Technique is very in-your-face with questions of a political nature, and thus it is easy to fall into the trap of analyzing his rhymes as if they were an important policy speech of Barak Obama's or something. But that's not what I'm about with this artist. I admire the rhymes. I hear the truth. I hear the madness. The "truth" is on a different level from "oh well he said such and so and we all know that's not true." It's a deeper truth about love and humanity and how we treat and conceive of each other. The hostility and disdain are just ways of showing you that love, just like Archie Bunker's rants were just Carroll O'Connor's ways of showing you his love. It's all about love, man! I love you all! Even the fat fuck. You're all more beautiful than you all even know. If it takes "batshit crazy" to get that message out of Immortal Technique, then I'm guilty of that.

"You are so A.M. and it's P.M. right now."

You're saying this rhymin' feller is like Piss Christ, yes?

VERSE 1
Damn if i be some slave again
got no fake ass friends no timbs or rims
sure nuff dont know no designer names
and i never played no video games
i aint got no diamond rings
no bling, bling, no minks
no 2 earrings
no pimp glasses mugs
or cups and things
or whatever the hell they be
carryin
dont treat my highs too high
or my lows too low
you wont see my soul souled on no video
bdont need no checks to get no chicks
or be some hypocrite to get you on my
so let the young sing and rap to the young
as long as yall dont think freedom
is free to be dumb

VERSE 2
its suicidal to think im your american idol
hypnotic trapped in a 3000 mile box
chicks bobby sox today be botox
now that hip hops the new so called rock
parents dressin the outside
of their kids
an what they wear
instead of stressin the inside
way back , my peoples gave me pride
now in 2004 i aint gotta hide
if you cant afford it just leave it to the side
cause you looking real stupid with that tear in your eye
gotta a 1994 hear you talkin
but its damn sure better than walkin
it might be old, it sure aint gold
better than stylin in the cold
it aint no rolls,so wont get stoled
but you wont see me walking on no side of the road


VERSE 3
at the age i am now
if i cant teach
i shouldnt even open up my mouth begin to speak
i need some radio
to help me reach
but i heard they get their money on
by makin you weak
drowning in the sea of
some big dose of now
no past no future
let the young grow wild
aint gave em nuttin
some done robbed the child
from substance
dont currr , fill em up wit style
like hip hop started on trl, like wow
took the game and made it a gdamn shame
hell wit history you dont even
know my name
i aint the same damn thing
that yall used to playin
im non stop rocket
headin to your brain
now thats what im sayin


VERSE 4
i may not got no flow
but i aint pimped by no negro
backed by some
cracka wit
his ass by the door
therefore
i can never be poor
cause my mind , body, and soul
cannot be sold
priceless
so i avoid the trifelin
worms in my cipher
stuff yall cant get enough off
gots no time for
somebodys jail
my time is just like the US mail
my time is richer
than them new astro pitchers
i be damn if my face
be under some picture
where you heard the nword
so save your liquid
PE WE JUST here to flip it
find somebody new to get wit
the next time you hear a
cat who cant Stand or even look in the mirror

I don't know the artist. I'm not familiar with his life, nor am I familiar with his lifestyle. Should I be? Is all art "performance art," and part of the performance is the artist's life itself? I'm just reacting to the art, man. I don't know shit about the artist, nor do I really see the relevance. If you want to discuss the person who created Immortal Technique -- the artist -- then we can start by you telling me what his real name is, where he lives and what he does. 'Cause I haven't the foggiest. I believe, though, that we weren't discussing him. We were discussing Immortal Technique.

Because of the deeper meaning of love on a different level than truth as Archie Bunker knows truth..

Holy fuck in heaven this shit was hilarious.

I don't remember his name. All I know about him is he's Peruvian, born in Lima I believe and immigrated here w/ his parents and was a delinquent constantly in trouble with the law.

are you on drugs?

I mean muddy.

I like that message. That's something I can relate to, especially age-wise.

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just like Archie Bunker's rants were just Carroll O'Connor's ways of showing you his love.

Was everything John Lennon did and said worth emulating?

Kurt Cobain?

Or, dare I say it, Paul Westerberg?

Once upon a time, rock n' rollers (with all that sex and drugs) were the scourge of society.

Seems like kind of an old fashioned idea now, doesn't it?

why does it always seem that people gravitate to the "little guy", the bruised soul...the emotional toad that needs coddling...


My "SHANE", just rode off into the sunset....

I agree with you. No, I don't want my kids taking drugs and drinking like Westy, Richards, and the rest of them. But they didn't 'sing' about them. There are only 2 songs I can recall by the Mats that included drug usage, I've never heard one that talked about fucking, hitting, or pimping a bitch, certainly none that advocated killing anyone, be they the police, a nigga, or a rival 'artist', and I don't recall any that were actually in the first person except "Bastards of Young" and "I don't Know", but both of those songs lamented their place in life, not calling attention to themselves as the best thing since areosol pussy.

The Stones didn't sing about drugs?

No I dont want your i.d.

gets tarnished by that which is the most popular. Rap(pers) is(are) good and bad, in roughly the same percentage as everything else. It's the broad brish generalizations that bother me.

And while we could quibble over drink/drug references in 'Mats songs, we both know that had your kids seen a show in the 80s they would have likely seen four shit-faced men playing their instruments badly.

Rock n' roll!

;)

You've just increased my knowledge of the guy by an infinite amount. This ongoing biography is a subject worthy of discussion. But if you liked his rhymes more, his life and some of the shit he has said in those rhymes wouldn't be so important to you. The rhymes literally speak for themselves.

Immortal Technique is more like Picasso than Rembrandt. You're looking at his rhymes and trying to find real people and realistic images as if it were a Rembrandt landscape. But the actual work of art is totally scattered and chopped up and angular and speaking only of and from it's surrealism; from the feelings invoked by the images and ideas thrown at us like shoes.

where did you see I wrote that? I said the Mats.

-Filthy

family? Why the fuck would you do that you insensitive fucking jackass? Who are you to determine Matt's worth and his family. That is some fucked up shit right there.

I misunderstood.

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No, I don't want my kids taking drugs and drinking like Westy, Richards, and the rest of them. But they didn't 'sing' about them.

And I agree with you about the personal-ness of rap. It's all about the artist. Even when the rhyme speaks of things above and beyond guns and violence and disrespect of women, etc., it's always about the relationship of the artist to the rest of the world. That's why, although I admire certain rap artists, and respect the genre for what it is, I'll always be a rocknroller at heart. The Sixties Paeons to Love and Calls to Action were far more positive and soul-stretching than the personal angst and egocentric rants that have dominated popular American music from Jackson Browne on.

Wow.
Just wow.

I meant, but the Mats didn't sing about them...which is why I went on to describe their topical use of drugs in two songs, and both were rather benign. One was talking about checking a stash to see if it was still there and another was talking about taking a couple pills before a talent show to calm them down. Early on, they had incredibly bad stage fright.

...and weren't always that great to the ladies, either.

really preoccupied with shit?

We're gettin' no place fast as we can
Get a noseful from our so-called friends

We're gettin' nowhere quick as we know how
We whirl from town to town treatment bound

First thing we do when we finally pull up
Get shitface drunk try to sober up

There'll be no pose tonight no money in sight
Label wants a hit and we don't give a shit

Tell me more.

I'm not reading this whole thread.

But why do people say "RAP SUCKS!" when the only artists they know of are mainstream artists? That's the equivalent of a rap fan like myself saying Rock sucks ass because Nickelback and other current mainstream rock bands suck.

I'm not sure if you guys realize this, but mainstream music in general sucks ass. The crap you hear on the radio is very rarely a truly great song, no matter what genre it is.

Just like there are some terrible mainstream rap artists, there are some equally terrible mainstream artists from other genres. But there are also some amazing artists of all genres that are underground. I jus think it's stupid to say a whole genre sucks because of what you listen to on the radio.

That was covered quickly, you're missing out on unintentional comedic genius by not reading further.

Do yourself the favor, it really starts to take off around page 4.

It's obvious you don't get where I'm coming from. Carroll O'Connor created a character named Archie Bunker. Archie was a bigot. He was a low-class, selfish, wife-abusing piece of shit of a person. We all loved him. Carroll couldn't help but show the person within the bigot. But the art was about the bigotry. The abuse hurled from Archie's mouth was, in any other context, disgusting and totally politically incorrect. But in the context within which Carroll worked his art -- his character -- that abuse was 1) incredibly funny, 2) incredibly enlightening, and 3) all about the love, man. All about the love.

.

Norman Lear created Archie Bunker. Carroll O'Connor played him, unless you consistently blur the lines between reality and acting.

You could spend a little more time establishing the intent of the hilarity. But you won't. Why should you?

It is worth it. And for what it's worth, I wouldn;t call myself a big rap fan but I agree completely with you in regards to all music. You have to dig to find gold.

It's worth it if you are even a little familiar with the Bee-Gee's and a few of their most popular lyrics.

Carroll created the character. And if you think that Archie Bunker is all Norman Lear with no Carroll O'Connor, then you are mistaken.

O, wise one who atop the mountain sits.

created means int he sense that Carol created the truth of Archie and in his love the character resonated with the divine spark of the artist that Archie was carol and Carol was Archie in the abstract of the truth of the love that went into the character. As Vonnegut said " Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"..

I'm done with you, asshole.

and once again, you miss the distinction.

Archie Bunker also was in no way a reflection of the man who played that 'character', Carroll O'Conner.


You're man Technique is EXACTLY the piece of crap he portrays in his...umm...art.

Big, big, difference.

is a fictious character, just like a person in a Dvostevesky novel.

He is created by the writer, not the actor.

The actor gives the character a passage to us, the viewers, but the character is "created" by the writer.

Holy crap, you even get elemental crap 100% wrong.

asshole!

Raskolnikov to love

I don't think Raskolnikov was the BeeGees, I think it was an ABBA tune.

Not that in changes your larger point, but in this case, it's the truth. (The show, in fact, was Norman Lear's adaptation of a British show.)

you are correct. I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies that abound when one deals with mudbear.

!

one of you a-holes is going to tell me that al bundy is fictitious.

I can only save it so many times.

Proceed.

(Please. I'd like this thread to go until at least Xmas eve.)

there is nobody who could scratch his balls better than Ed O'Neill, thus. Ed created Al.

Say otherwise and you are a major asshole.

Staying Alive! Stayling Alive!

is Ed O'Neil?

...

Ain't nothing but a G thing baby!

we can talk about Carl Winslow from Family Matters too...

Raskolnikov had Sonia and Fats had a horse with no name.That's love,deep love.

funny youj say that. One of my friends is engaged to Laura. I met her last month..she is still fine as hell!

brah!

...whole lotta Jive Talkin' goin' on up in here~

..."white thing?"

racialist!

Fight the good fight
Fingers to the bone
Gotta take a stand
And save this land of liberty
Stumble on the ground that shakes you
Push it to the point that breaks you
Little bit of fire it gives you
Soul of a winner
Help you bring them to their knees

...which started the whole world laughing...

(With further apologies to the Bee Gees.)

you just made my whole office look at my desk from laughing so hard....damn!!!

and it's bruh, not brah!!

.

I thought you were black Irish.

"a fat fuck" is just beyond the pale, you know?

if you listen to tyrese gibson, it's "breh" not "brah" "bro" or "bruh."

I renounced my black citizenship..

...?

It's no my fault..I can only follow a thread for a few post, once rocky, davisian, shep and a few others start posting, i am lost like muddy's love..

...and brah, yea, it's a white thing, you might not understand~

i wouldn't comprehend..

saw that on a bumper sticker, fell out laughing..

.

I'm sure his time on the PC was up.

Time for meds and then they'll tuck him in for the night.

Of course. You're right. The guy who can't spend all day every day typing inanities to buffoons is the one that has no life. Uh huh.

the fat fuck said "mudbear's love is not very deep." He didn't intend to insult my family with this comment. He was just being a goofball and trying to make an inane joke about a BeeGee lyric. I get that. It means nothing to me. At this late date, I couldn't give a shit what fatman's intent was. He's a real asshole and I don't forgive him for what he said. His little act like I'm crazy because he never intended to insult me is besides the point. If, even now, he comes out and says "I don't know how deep your love is. I never intended to question it. I was just trying to be funny," then I'd accept that. Instead, what I got was "you're only proving your ignorance on another subject," and more insults. Well, fuck him. He said that my love wasn't deep, and he's unapologetic about it, and I could care less whether he intended on insulting me. He did.

And Beez:

I really want you to understand where I'm coming from here. Your post talking about the word "resonate" and whether it has "positive" or "negative" connotations is begging the question. Why does art have to be positive to be beautiful? Appreciating and loving Immortal's art is not approving of the meaning of the words, any more than appreciating and loving Dostoyevsky's art is approving of Raskolnikov's sentiments. Carroll O'Connor's Archie Bunker character was coming from a place of love. That's why it "resonated" with the American people so much. Even those who didn't "agree" with Archie's actual sentiments. Immortal's protagonist speaks profound truths that don't have anything to do with any kind of "fact-checking." His words can "resonate" with me, even though the thought of striking someone with an HIV-infected needle shocks and disgusts me. That shock and disgust are the art. They connect me to what is human about me. Ah, why the hell do I bother? This is a fucking football board.

Girth-y love is good, no?

"Girth-y love is good, no?"

That's a good one. Damn straight it's good. Any lovin's good lovin'. I feel a song coming on...

You are really trying to rationalize the fact that you completely missed a joke that another poster made?

Maybe you are as fucking nuts as people say.

I know, I know, you don't care what people say.

There are probably 125 posts by you on this thread that say otherwise, but what the fuck do I know.

Maybe nobody has spelled it out for you - "How deep is your love" is a Bee Gee lyric. Obviously the post was made referencing this lyric. I guess you let your past interaction with the other poster influence your judgement for the initial rant.

The other stuff, I just can't explain.

Man, are you a fucking genius!

I'm trying to tell you that he insulted me whether it was a joke or not. It's fucking hysterical to you guys that I'd be insulted by this, I know. But there you go. What are you gonna do? "Rationalize" that.

I rhyme and I rip.

FMIC ticked me off, and he can kiss my ass. When it got REAL personal, he showed his true colors by bringing my wife into it in a very derogatory manner. Now I'll never forgive him, even if he showed an iota of remorse which he hasn't. All the rest of this has just been a bunch of nothing better to do on an idle afternoon mixed in with a little discussion about hip hop. But the fatman didn't know when to shut up. He didn't know just how far you can take these things. Ah well. It was my fault, really. I goaded him. I apologize to any of the rest of you truly put off by my words. I accept the thanks of the majority of you who had a good laugh at them. But I've now got words to say to that fat man that nobody else needs to hear. What an ass he is!

Was way back in his rookie season. In 2004 Nas realeased a video for "Just a Moment" (great song BTW), the artist featured on the song Quan wore an Eli Manning Jersey in the video. I was shocked to see a rapper wear a relatively unknown QB's jersey.

were insulted because you didn't understand something and you expect everyone else to "get it"?

Why should somebody who never meant to insult you show remorse.

Should he say, "I'm sorry that you are a shit-for-brains"?

Put me in the "I don't get it" crowd. I think I like their company.

And stay there!

...this is styill going on?

I thought we put this to bed.

Wrap isn't even music, the lyrics such ass and the "players" aren't musicians.

It sux balls mudbear, now shut the fuck up already!

peace out bruh~

(1) Rap sucks whether it's called rap or Hip Hop.
(2) Fatman definitely rocked the 1970's.
(3) mudbear is completely insane and probably had some really nasty acid in his formative years.

And the game has another song where he says he's gonna blow it like the patriots

ever written.

Dance with the Devil & You never know

Then I saw mudbear posted.

Carry on.

music and music that can be played live.

Music created by a machine does not have the emotional clout of music that is created in real time by human beings.

Rap and other programmed music can be fun and good for partying, but it has never really elicited an emotional response from me.

I don't think a piece of art that one perceives to be "negative" can "resonate" with them. If something "resonates" with someone, the way the phrase is most commonly used does NOT mean something made an impact although a negative one.

About O'Connor's depiction of Archie Bunker, I think a lot of people recognized societal attitudes and relationships (Bunker and Jefferson, for example) and found the delivery of the performances funny as hell, but when it came to Archie's bigoted rants, only biogots had those moments "resonate." Many others who appreciated the brilliance of the show and enjoyed it very much may have seen Archie as a "loveable guy," deep down, but his most negative attitudes and points of ignorance never "resonated" with those viewers.

Lots of nuance.

Eli getting jiggy... - ( New Window )

I see where you're coming from, and we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think it's a matter of definition. What was the name of that Norwegian artist who painted "The Scream?" His name escapes me. But that painting "resonates" with art-viewers, not because it brings any "positive" feelings or vibes or anything to the viewer. In fact, it actually resonates because of the negative feelings that it invokes. It tells us something about the human condition. Not something we normally want to be reminded of. But something that strikes an emotional chord within us that makes us recognize the humanity of the subject and the artist and ultimately ourselves. I think you and I have different notions of art.

--

Why do we have so much negative art nowadays? From that Norwegian painter to Nirvana to Immortal Technique, and across the board, negative or evil or sad things have become commonplace subjects for artistic endeavours. I wonder if we as a people have run out of positive things to make art from. I mean, the beauty of the human figure was pretty much completely covered by the end of the Renaissance (sp.), 400 years ago. How do you do an encore to Michaelangelo's "David?" You don't. You paint someone in torture or agony. It's still art, and it can be beautiful if the artist is profound enough to make us think of beauty when we see ugliness or pain.

Munch "resonates"???

So we've established that you don't understand either term...

When are you ever going to argue with me, and make a point worth making?

"Give me a hundred grand, give me your watch, give me your chain. That's your girl, bitch get over here give me some brain. I'l bust off on her face, and right after the segment,she'll probably rub it in her pu**y to get pregnant."

Immortal Technique

Can't question that kind of genius.

Exactly.

The number of & diversity of cultural references in this thread is amazing.

Are you questioning the depth of my love?? Asshole!

No. I'm questioning the depth of your intellect. I love having a good argument in the classical sense, where two people are making good points and educating each other. But to quibble about whether Munch is "nowadays," or "resonates," is not carrying the conversation forward. All it's doing is being small-minded and, frankly, an asshole.

laugh when muddy questions anyone's intellect.

LMAO! One thing you have to say about Muddy is he's extremely entertaining!

have time to go a round today.

For all I know, I'll quote a lyric from The Clash and mudbear will have a coronary because he thinks a Casbah is slang for a vagina, and when I say I'll rock it, there goes the old heart palpatations....

Muddy goes on a little rant trying to explain how Munch "resonates" and is "nowadays" and I'm the one with an intellect problem.

How deep is your psychosis?

Verbal arguments can be brutal.

that when you listen to The Clash, you want to boink muddy's ol' lady?

That soul is hard to find

No offense, but you're like the Norm Crosby of BBI.

I don't believe in the way the phrase "resonate" is ever intended that that image really "resonates" with an art observer. Again, nuance. That said, I think it could "evoke" emotional reactions. Which is what I think you probably were going for when you used the word "invoke."

No way.

The shareef don't like it.

...?

AND, it's "resonates?"

"Give me a hundred grand, give me your watch, give me your chain. That's your girl, bitch get over here give me some brain. I'l bust off on her face, and right after the segment,she'll probably rub it in her pu**y to get pregnant."

Immortal Technique


Sorry, I simply cannot agree to disagree here. This is garbage.

...Motley, thank you.

The Iron Sheik would have to say about the casbah.

The sheik he drove his cadillac
He went a cruisin down the ville

.

...ville?

Loved that movie~

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make beautiful music together?

Immortal Technique Presents:
Dance with the Devil - ( New Window )

1st of all - classic thread!!!!!

Just listened to Jedi Mind Tricks & Army of the Pharoahs (the so-called "good rappers"). I must be missing something because they sounded EXACTLY like every other ridiculously obnoxious rap/hip hop "song" I've ever had the displeasure of hearing. Whatever the lyrics are about -- even if they're deep, meaningful, thought-provoking & "resonate" with me -- the style in which they are presented by the rapper & the simple, 100% repetetiveness of the typically machine-made "music" is so fucking aggravating & noisy to me that I don't care what the lyrics are. Love Pink Floyd's & The Who's lyrics, but if they performed their songs in a rap/hip hop style, I'd hate their music as much as all other rap/hip hop I've ever heard.

If someone's looking for good poetry -- & I submit that a small percentage of rap is -- there are plenty of good poetry books. Of course, few of the most typical rap fans have ever read a poetry book, so I can see how this form of "music" can reach a much larger audience than a poetry book ever could.

Everyone's certainly entitled to their opinions & to listen to whatever the hell they want. I could care less what anyone listens to or what kind of art they like or TV program they like to watch. FWIW, I hate techno, screamo, punk, & heavy metal genres as well because they just give me a headache instantly. I was a teenager when punk & heavy metal started, so I don't hate those genres only because I'm "too old to understand or appreciate it." I like jazz, blues, classical & bluegrass that came out long before I was born & I like some recent jamtronica, so I don't get that kinda reasoning anyhow.

Proceed!

...the Cash Bar!

Dylan...SPOT-ON!

Most rap today has no message, no story, no moral, just money cars and women.

Yes most beats are repetitive but they do stand out against other ones. There are guys out there like Blockhead and RJD2 that make beats all over the place.

Jedi Mind is part of AOTP, they try to capture what was good about 90s hiphop/rap, bass and piano lines and no airhorns and super super repetitive crap.

It really depends on what songs you hear too..
Jedi Mind songs with messages off the top of my head:

Uncommon Valor - taken from vietnam soldiers journals

Shadow Business - Slave Labor in Chinese factories

Trail of Lies - About the media and american culture

Death Messiah - frontman Vinnie Paz's personal struggle
with science vs his muslim religion

Thread of the year. Second thread in ten years of the Corner Forum to make me laugh out loud.