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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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cosmic  
chris r : 5/8/2009 1:49 pm : link
but besides BE, not much is allocated to the WR position. A better argument is that you don't think that much cap space should be allocated to a single WR IMO.
im in  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 5/8/2009 1:50 pm : link
total agreement with britt on this. I like what we have and BE is not NY market material.
It's very simple.  
greenzone? : 5/8/2009 1:53 pm : link
IF we can do this deal we lose 2 players if im reading correctly. lets say it is MM and Ware. Ware is a RB people. I liked him in preseason just as much as the next person, but he is a RB very replaceable... As for MM potential? perhaps, Is he worth keeping not to grab someone like Edwards, hell no. Let me tell you why:
Firstly, if Edwards comes here assume he is in the 1 slot.right..I personally think Nicks/Smith will fight for 2 and 3, with the understanding that our game changer can return to his older position and guess who can return punts and kicks again. Dont get me wrong, Hixon has a huge upside as a WR but if this happens to go threw, I would not have anything wrong with throwing him in on certain packages to stretch the field. and as a 4. I personally think beckum will be an immediate impact player. So if we do get Edwards. I see Edwards/Nicks/Smith/Hixon lets not forget about Boss, Beckum out of the H-Back. Barden for 3 downs and red zone. We have mad talent.
I wont even talk about the RBS. They speak for themselves. Just my $.02
I can't take this anymore  
Anakim : 5/8/2009 1:55 pm : link
.
How  
dorgan : 5/8/2009 2:01 pm : link
long have you been hearing voices, Stan?

Could  
OC : 5/8/2009 2:08 pm : link
This be the reason we drafted Brown? It's probably been mentioned before, but I'm not reading 14 fking pgs of posts.

Anyway, I'm in the "No Thanks on BE" camp. Fk all that money he's gonna want. He's not good enough to be worth it, imo. I'd rather we go with what we have.
Unless Cle. & BE settles for less. MM needs to NOT be included.
Haha...  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2009 2:15 pm : link
Yeah, Stanley.. the deal has been done for weeks.. except no one knows about it yet! Not even the Browns or the Giants.
kiwi...  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2009 2:18 pm : link
Randy Moss and Wes Welker might not have won the Pats a title in 07, but they were a huge reason that team won 18 of their 19 games.
I love that its  
ajt2121 : 5/8/2009 2:20 pm : link
conservative to think that Ware will garner a 3rd round pick.

Thats a joke. You guys have seen him play how many snaps? How many snaps would he even play this year behind Jacobs, Bradshaw and quite possibly Brown?

This is a good deal I think and as long as Braylon isn't a little bitch about his contract and we sign him to an extension (that we don't overpay for), I think we would be stupid not to take this deal.
Not to mention that Randy did happen to break  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 2:20 pm : link
Jerry Rice's TD record that season.
When it comes to Edwards Just say NO!  
#10* : 5/8/2009 2:35 pm : link
The last thing we need is another Shockey or Plaxico and to pay more than both of thier salaries combined for him.

well, the Pats were the first team to go 16-0  
oipolloi : 5/8/2009 2:40 pm : link
so, i would hardly say getting Moss and Welker was a bad move because they lost in the SB
18-1 bitches!  
TommytheElephant : 5/8/2009 2:47 pm : link
.
I think the Giants are taking their time  
RB^2 : 5/8/2009 2:48 pm : link
and a deal will get done.
it could be another 2-3 years before Mario  
dvb : 5/8/2009 3:23 pm : link
becomes a difference maker, if ever. He didn't come from an NFL style offense. He had a wonderlic score near Eli's jersey number. More times than not it takes receivers smarter than he 3-4 years before they have a break out season. Realistically, best case scenario could be that Mario has a big season 2-3 years from now. Worst case, he never figures out the O, how to run the right routes, etc.

Pretty good endorsement of what we have by Carl Banks:  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 3:30 pm : link
Quote:
What I like about the Giants in the way they develop players is they seem to get better year to year and I see Domenik Hixon becoming an even bigger threat in the offense because he has the ability to get behind defenders. If you look at the Eagles playoff game, he was beating them everytime they just couldn't get him the ball.

The other guy who happens to be a personal favorite is Sinorice Moss because he has such deadly speed. He made some great plays in preseason and he gives them another dimension with speed.

Steve Smith should take the role of vintage Amani Toomer, great possession receiver and 2 rookies who knows what their roles will be. Manningham from all indications is a guy thats gonna contribute prominently at WR. They'll be loaded at WR, maybe overloaded, depending on what a guy like Manningham does.
Absolutely good endorsement and i agree  
JerseyJoe : 5/8/2009 3:41 pm : link
BUT without Braylon , we are going to need these guys producing NEXT year, it may be a tall order.
Joe - you said Hixon is definitely a top 10 receiver in the NFL.  
CL : 5/8/2009 3:43 pm : link
What changed?
Britt, he is buried on the depth  
compton : 5/8/2009 3:50 pm : link
for a reason. Even Moss was ahead of him. This season will be no different.
CL you are a farce  
JerseyJoe : 5/8/2009 3:50 pm : link
I never said that. I said he had #1 potential. I still think he does. Difference is Braylon has already shown #1 proven dominance in his second year in the league.
the problem last year  
msh : 5/8/2009 3:56 pm : link
late in the year was imo more to do with gilbride not
coming up with a good enough scheme to replace plax
after the incident, it was fine during the suspension when hixon started but he didnt scheme well enough after that

if they come up with a scheme that keeps defenses off balance well enough that could be better than 1 guy that could get injuried and they are back at square one again

im all for the edwards trade but only if they get him at the right price but not giving up too much,if reese thinks he has a good enough squad without edwards then im happy to trust him on that
Mario MIGHT turn out to be a good receiver BUT  
dvb : 5/8/2009 4:46 pm : link
it MIGHT not be for another 2-3 years. Even many of the great ones took 3-4 years and considering Mario's wonderlic score, his learning curve might be on the long side.

for those saying Edwards is an avg receiver  
dvb : 5/8/2009 4:50 pm : link
Can you name the last Giants receiver who had 80 receptions for 1300 yds and 16 TDs? There's never been one. Yes it was 2007, but the entire Browns team sucked last year. A change of scenery and a good supporting cast could do wonders for Edwards. We shouldn't let the potential of Mario get in the way. I trust Reese to do the right thing. If we don't trade for him, I would bet that it's because of BE's contract demands more than Mario..
dvb speaking blatant and obvious truth  
JerseyJoe : 5/8/2009 5:01 pm : link
is not allowed on this thread!
JJ, it's kind of crazy  
dvb : 5/8/2009 5:25 pm : link
in the last 25-30 years or so, the Giants have drafted 15-20 receivers in the first 3 rounds. How many of them have done what Edwards has done? NONE. How many have come close? ONE. Our GOAT, Amani... not until his 4th season and still was about 10 TDs shy. The other 14-19 receivers never came close. And yet people are so vehement about trading a guy with a wonderlic score comparable to Eli's jersey number.

Call me crazy, but intelligence matters. How many of Eli's INTs through '07 were due to the knucklehead Shockey running the wrong routes?

We're not rebuilding - Screw potential.

If the contract numbers were right, I'd make this trade in a second.
By the way  
Anakim : 5/8/2009 6:04 pm : link
Brandon Jacobs said he doesn't want Braylon on the Giants on ESPN 1050
That bit of information I got from Rotoworld  
Anakim : 5/8/2009 6:07 pm : link
Who was quoting what Jacobs said on 1050 ESPN Radio
dvb its a joke how  
JerseyJoe : 5/8/2009 6:13 pm : link
so many cant see what you are stateing.

We saw what Moss did for the Pats O. Braylon while not Moss could have a similiar impact on this O, rather than crossing our fingers with a ton of youth.

Could it work out relying on a ton of youth? Sure but the chances are nowhere near picking up a guy who has already shown sustained dominance as a #1 WR on the NFL level.
For you Edwards fanatics....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 7:01 pm : link
Total Access is going to discuss it. Starts now.
mixed emotions  
Spock : 5/8/2009 7:20 pm : link
I love WARE and I don't want to do it unless EDWARDS is signed long term.
Good Stuff in Ralph V's  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/8/2009 9:11 pm : link
Big Blue Blog point #2

Link - ( New Window )
Jacobs says NO to Edwards  
ZogZerg : 5/8/2009 11:34 pm : link
Also, it's obvious the sticking point would be his contract demands and not the Browns asking price.
Move along, there's nothing to see here. This is not going to happen.
Jacobs also said YES to Plax  
dvb : 5/9/2009 8:39 am : link
he wanted to keep Plax and was hurt when he was released. I don't think Jacobs has much say in personnel matters. And I'm sure he would be happy if BE became a Giant. I agree BE's contract demands will have to come down.
don't want to happen at this point  
nyynyg : 5/9/2009 8:49 am : link
think we have enough youngsters to go with, they just need to step up. and MM is one of those youngsters I'd rather give a shot. the lower price is just a bonus.

the more I think about this and now considering the draft we had, we should be able to do just fine. and if not, it isn't because we didn't get a #1 in free agency, the team simply failed. there is plenty enough talent on this team that the coaches should be able to develop a scheme and the players should be able to make plays.
who was the last Giants receiver to succeed in his second year?  
dvb : 5/9/2009 9:30 am : link
forget about rookie year, how about second year? I'm talking about staying healthy and making an impact. Ike Hilliard had about 50 receptions and 2 TDs his second year, not bad. Amani didn't do squat until his 4th year. The other 15-20 receivers we've drafted... we're still waiting.

The point is, it quite often takes even great receivers 3-4 years and yet so many here are expecting a break out year from Mario who's not the brightest bulb in the house.

Mario MAY have a break out year, but it might not be for another 1-3 years. It's silly to be counting on it this year when we're a contender. If we were rebuilding we could afford to be patient, but we're not. I feel like a broken record.
I trust Reese  
dvb : 5/9/2009 9:36 am : link
and if we don't trade for BE I'll hope for the best. But I won't be surprised if our O struggles and we have an early exit from the playoffs again... while we wait for our young receivers to develop.
why wouldn't the Browns let the Giants negotiate with Edwards  
chris r : 5/9/2009 9:40 am : link
pre trade? You'd think the Giants would say, let us talk to him, if he agrees to less than million per year, we'll do the deal.
dvb again stop speaking the blinding and obvious truth  
JerseyJoe : 5/9/2009 10:03 am : link
thats not allowed around here!

Could we win with our super green receiving corp/ Anything is possible BUT the chances are MUCH smaller than bringing in a guy who already has proven #1 NFL production in Braylon.
I really don't know how anyone could argue that losing MM  
montanagiant : 5/9/2009 11:51 pm : link
Is not worth getting BE.

I understand we also are giving a 3 and Ware, but the loss of Ware is offset by Brown so then we are down to comparing a 3 and a rookie for a young WR who is rated as one of the top 5 WR in the NFL.

If Edwards contract is not too ridiculous (over 8.5 Mill @ year) this is a no-brainer. WTF would make anyone think that losing MM is too much to obtain BE?
in what world?  
boyzinblue : 5/10/2009 5:29 pm : link
Quote:
a young WR who is rated as one of the top 5 WR in the NFL.


You can't possibly be talking about Braylon Edwards; Do you even follow football?
He's not?  
Giants in 07 : 5/10/2009 7:07 pm : link
That's a shock to me.

Name 5 that are better, and don't based your answer on one year.

Five Wideouts better than Braylon?  
MookGiants : 5/10/2009 7:20 pm : link
Fitz
Moss
Calvin Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Brandon Marshall

I'll continue if need be
Andre Johnson.  
MookGiants : 5/10/2009 7:22 pm : link
Steve Smith.

He would fall somewhere after those top 7, IMO
boyzinblue, don't you have to go make some copies for your boss?  
montanagiant : 5/10/2009 7:35 pm : link
A fucking secretary and he wants to talk shit and can't even do that respectably...hilarious


Mook,
a fair point. But even if he is the 7th best instead of the 5th would you not make that trade? And how much difference in contract demands would there be for that? Not that mush i would guess. My day really sucks knowing that i actually agree with the mangina
Some people are probably overrating Ware and Manningham  
Bino5 : 5/10/2009 8:08 pm : link
but Edwards is not a top 5 or 10 WR. 15-20 range.
Well for the most part it is all about opinion  
montanagiant : 5/10/2009 8:26 pm : link
Which is different for everyone. But that is what makes the board great: good football discussion

I would disagree strongly that he was no better then the 15th best WR in the NFL. Besides that, he has many years left in which he can only get better which has to be taken into account. Case in point is that 3 years ago Marvin Harrison could have been argued as the best WR in the league. Now he is being thought of as being done.

Also keep in mind that when we got Plax, his previous 2 seasons with Pitt were less then stellar to say the least. His second best season of his career was his first one with us. So if the player has some past success, a change of scenery can get that back
I want nothing to do with Edwards, at this point.  
Danger Moose : 5/10/2009 8:32 pm : link
Nothing.

There's really no compelling case for adding him, whatsoever.
Montana  
MookGiants : 5/10/2009 8:33 pm : link
I absolutely make that trade. I'm 100% with you there. To be honest, I only read Flounder's comment and disputed that he was a top 5 receiver. He's top 10, so it really makes no difference
I don't disagree  
Bino5 : 5/10/2009 8:33 pm : link
I was/am in favor of trading for Edwards if the Giants can strike a deal they deem worth it. There is risk involved though because Edwards, like Plax on Pitt, is inconsistent.

I don't think Edwards will be a Giant because I think the Giants feel there is some reason to believe Edwards may never reach his full potential.
Bino, i think the only thing that held Plax back  
montanagiant : 5/10/2009 10:39 pm : link
Was his maturity and as a side result of that lack of maturity; his dedication. Now i don't think we have the maturity aspect to deal with in Edwards, but i do think he has a bit of the diva mentality to him.

If Plax had been a disciple of the game as Rice who knows what his ceiling was
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