Asshat Alert - Latest on Edwards

I agree, that if Edwards' price tag comes down, this deal looks good. But at his rumored asking price or without an extension agreed upon, I would stay away.

Plax's money went to Canty, Boley, Bernard.

Manningham is a prospect that was passed on by the entire NFL over 80 times

Thanks for playing

if we sign BE? 600 Yds,10.1 YPC, and 1 TD.

As Terps and many others have said, it's the contract that's by far the biggest issue here.

1) Eli, who rarely speaks out, was pretty forthright before the draft about wanting the Giants to acquire a true #1 wide receiver. I trust he knows the caliber of our young receivers better than we do.

2) The Giants were reportedly very interested in Darius Heyward-Bey and would have traded as high as #16 to get him in the draft. That probably means Nicks was their fourth-rated receiver behind Crabtree, Maclin and DHB. The knock on Nicks has always been long speed. DHB has it, and so does Braylon Edwards. The Giants got a great look at it in the Monday Night game last year when he torched us.

I think the Giants like Nicks a lot but don't think he is the type of receiver that will be true deep threat that requires a safety over the top and forces the corner to play off the line.

I think our QB and front office both want Braylon Edwards. As mentioned numerous times, the issue is likely his contract, not the trade package.

anything for him last year or before this draft

Yet in your world he is a #1 WR despite the fact that our staff did not put him on the field in that role despite needing one last year

Lets let that burst of energy on your part slide as just an exuberant mistake and move on?

On what planet was Plax making what Edwards is rumored to want, even with all his incentives (which he didn't hit).

Agreed the price has to come down but to expect it to be less than Plax's deal is probably wishful thinking. Between 7-9 mill/year (and up to 9 only with performance clauses) and 4-5 years is quite fair

Given those stats, I'd probably offer Hixon around $3 million per...it's about what I'd expect Edwards to produce in '09 if we got him, too.

for Braylon Edwards is lunacy.

Anyone?

1 reciever Eli is going to have an absolutely average year and we might get past the first round in the playoffs if we're lucky. And please lets not use the Patriots as a reference because they clearly have a superior offensive system to ours and also had Tom Brady under center.
I would have much preferred a Braylon contract on this team rather than Canty's. A little off topic but I still feel we way overpayed for Canty especially when we had just signed Rocky Bernaird who is a great player and I don't think Osi and Tuck or too happy with Cantys contract either.

and I'm seeing a lot of the names I saw last night when I first started reading this sucker!

I wanted Edwards but I will agree with GT that 7-9 million is a little over the top. I trust the front office and think he would be a good addition(even giving up MM and this has been covered over and over on this thread and I can't add much to it)but not for that much money. If the Giants can pull it off though I'm all for this move.

of Edward's problems in Cleveland had to do with the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry: there was a natural predisposition on the part of the fans to turn hostile.

Which would make a trade for Manningham either ill-advised or demonstrative of Mangini's inability to learn from the past.

people pack the grocery stores and buy them out, and then it snows like one inch, and people are left with ten gallons of milk that they didn't need in the first place.

site. As I've asked before - compared to his peers, what has Braylon Edwards done to merit being paid on average $7-9m a year for the next three years, guaranteed?
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Understood, but Canty is young and can play DE or Dt if we lose Tuck Osi or Kiwi to injury or contract. Bernard is at then end of his career as is Robbins, with Cofield up for FA at the end of the year.

two different signings for two different reasons

I think you'll be happier with Canty's contract when the Giants are able to produce a fourth quarter pass rush this year.

IMO, the ability to consistently produce a late game pass rush is incredibly important in today's NFL.

If you're going to overpay somewhere, quality defensive linemen is not a bad place to do it.

Now back to our regularly scheduled Braylon Edwares donnybrook .

I agree with you that Edwards was better than Manningham at Michigan. Keep in mind, though, that Manningham only played 3 years at Michigan. If he'd played a fourth year, they'd have been closer. Mario needed only 40 more catches (he had 72 his Jr. yr.) to become the second all-time UM career receptions leader, behind only Braylon (and ahead of Carter, Walker, et al.).

If we were to get BE without giving up Manningham, he most likely gets cut anyway...

Smith (stay)
Hixon (stay)
Barden (stay)
Nicks (stay)
Tyree (stay, specials)
Braylon

That six WRs right there that I'm 90% are making this roster if Braylon is acquired. Moss or Manningham is gone (prob both)

Also acquiring Braylon lets everybody move into a more natural position

Smith (slot)
Nicks (eventual Toomer-esque possession receiver on outside)
Barden (green zone development)
Hixon (burner in multiple receiver sets, with some time at 2 while Nicks develops, KR/PR)

if he meets pro-bowl type numbers. Without that its closer to 7. Very fair given current market value.

You just can't argue with some who thinks Edwards is worth 7-9...

Barring a one year aberration - what's he done to merit $7m a year?

It's a classic case of people wanting to make decisions based on the best case scenario and not what is likely to happen.

How many years did we hear that Shockey would go for 1000 yards and 12 TDs? That Arrington would be a monster? That DeAngelo Hall would finally play to his ability if we traded for him? That Plax would be the Plax of the 2007 NFC title game if we'd just give him a 63rd chance?

Nothing is guaranteed with Edwards except the price tag.

The number of expensive vets a team can sign is limited. The rest of the roster has to be filled with inexpensive talent - either young guys or inexpensive veterans. The ones who sign long-term contracts with large guaranteed portions of money are considered the core of the team and they are who you build the rest of the team around. Tuck, Osi, and Webster are core players on defense. Kiwi? Maybe not.

So who are our core players on offense?

Jacobs and our starting offensive line are the only ones locked in past their rookie contracts. Eli most certainly will be. But who else?

A commitment to Braylon at even 70% of his asking price means adding him to your core. We will build around him.

So the question is - do we want to build around him? The Browns did - they offered him an extension.

I trust Reese & co to make the right decision.

if Edwards wanted 15 million per, some here would be saying "DO IT, JERRY!".

Manningham would likely stay over Tyree. Moss would likely go. But of course they could include someone like Hixon instead, and keep Tyree or Moss.

There is no doubt in my mind that you are right on that.

...we buy beer and wine.

Maybe some of those Olive oil/cracked black pepper Triscuits and pepper-jack cheese.nomnom

Milk/Lactaid? Meh, if we're low I may go for a gallon~

Then I guess you'd be ok with letting Hixon walk after the 2009 season, because there is no way he would sign that kind of deal (just look at what Berrian got with a similar production curve). The Giants are going to have to pay for a WR eventually, unless they want to roll the dice and have a new WR corps every 3-4 years.

I'm not advocating paying BE 10 million per, but your position is extreme at the other end of the spectrum. According to your rationale, we might as well kiss Steve Smith goodbye in 2011 because there is no way he will re-sign for the type of deal you think he is worth.

of having Edwards and Nicks together on the field...is just sick and well worth the mere chance of it happening.

been the X WR since he has been drafted? Or was there someone else there playing X when we was drafted making BE play Z and perhaps Y?

Apparently, the secret ingredient to winning a Super Bowl is Braylon Edwards.

Stupid Reese, pick up the phone damnit!!

You cannot overvalue special teams aces, and tyree is a bonafied stud, coughlin's keeping him on this team if he is healthy

Yes, I would absolutely let him AND Smith walk if they asked for big money.

The WR market is completely out of whack. As such, I'd always have an eye on the position at the draft if I were Reese. If you're going to have a lot of turnover, RB and WR are the positions to do it. You don't want it at QB, OL, or DL if you can avoid it.

What makes you convinced that Tyree can still be a special teams ace?

Maybe he is, but he had an entire year off. He's going to have to fight for his job.

When he signed his deal, he was the lone standout on Special Teams. Since then, the unit has improved.

Tyree sticks over Moss. I like Moss but I think these two draft picks sealed his fate.

That's why I through in the caveat, if healthy. If healthy, he can still do it. Guys like Bates & Tasker did it well into old age.

Ware, Manningham and a 2010 3rd rounder for Edwards?

Yes, please.

Has specials really improved? Last I checked, we're still giving up fairly large kick return yardage, and on punts Tyree was always good for 3 or 4 downed inside the 5...

I don't know if Tyree is still a stud special teams player. He wasn't as good in the super bowl year as previous seasons and now he hasn't played in over 12 months. In my opinion he has tapped out his ability. Keeping him over Manningham or Moss would be a mistake.

on the Giants in 2009.

...how do you know that 9mil is with incentives?

There is no deal...right.

Are you an asshat?

has gotten worse. A lot worse. that actually used to be a strong point for us. I don't know if that's because of the loss of Tyree or Carney's terrible kickoffs but we need to get better there.

I was so overjoyed with the idea the Giants might (gasp!) try to develop their own Braylon and here comes this news. Christ...

Moss does not. And besides, Tyree has ALWAYS risen to the occasion when called upon...even before the greatest moment in human history.

I'd be trying to trade Moss if I were Reese.

I would attribute our 12th best field position in part to Tynes. Hixon has also done a great job getting downfield.

makes $7M per year.

Although he had one less TD than Edwards in 2008. So at 2Td for every 3.5 million I think Edwards is defintiely worth 1.5 million off last years performance.

Makes as much sense as any other

$10.5 million