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Asshat Alert - Latest on Edwards

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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John and Bill  
muhajir : 5/8/2009 10:34 am : link
good points. He'll definetly be an extremely strong addition to the team. I feel we over payed for him, especially after we saw the contract Dallas signed Olshanski (pel.)for about a week later. Hopefully like you both said his signing will keep looking better and better as time rolls on.
BTW,  
Curtis in MD : 5/8/2009 10:35 am : link
something that isn't really important but I found interesting.

David Tyree, according to the player salaries page, is the highest paid WR on the roster right now.
Terps  
Davisian : 5/8/2009 10:35 am : link
That's all in the past. I wouldn't be trying to trade either until Pre-season. Who knows what Tyree has left and who knows what gains Moss has made?

If its all the same, then I agree with you, but I making a move now seems premature.

GT,  
AnishPatel : 5/8/2009 10:35 am : link
Tyree has to show he can rebound from injury, play at a pro bowl special teams level AND contribute to the offense as a WR in some fashion now. If he can't do that, I can see him in a big time dog fight to making this team.
This is from Eisens mailbag on March 10th...  
Curtis in MD : 5/8/2009 10:37 am : link
Quote:

The Giants kickoff team held opponents to a 22.5-yard average on kickoff returns, the NFLs 12th-best figure. Opposing teams did begin their possessions after a kickoff at the 30-yard line on average, which can definitely be improved upon.
Terps....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 10:37 am : link
I feel like we're on an island here, for the most part.
you are crazy  
nyynyg : 5/8/2009 10:37 am : link
if you think MM gets cut before Moss and Tyree. Moss is a goner and Tyree is much older and coming off injury. We have other gunners that played quite well for us last year. I don't think Tyree makes this team either way this year, sentiment aside.
Britt  
Davisian : 5/8/2009 10:38 am : link
Its more like a peninsula, and you're hardly alone!

Are you using big words to try and confuse me?  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 10:39 am : link
?
Davisian  
Go Terps : 5/8/2009 10:40 am : link
True, but what do you think the odds are that Moss stays on this team past this year (this is the last season on his contract)? If we hadn't drafted Nicks and Barden, that's one thing...but I just don't see Moss sticking around.

Conversely, Tyree's deal is up in 2011 and he seems to me the type of guy that would play specials for the rest of his career. There's a real value in that kind of guy. Of course, this is all contingent on Tyree being healthy.

That's the objective part of me. The subjective part of me says that Tyree deserves to be on the team. I feel like we owe him that. I know that's not rational and not how a team should be run, but I feel like we owe him that.
I would hate this deal.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/8/2009 10:41 am : link
I'd do Mannigham and Ware straight up, but no draft picks. Or a 3rd next year and perhaps Ware. Braylon's value is dropping by the minute. His huge contract demands is probably what's killed most deals. Let the kids on the field. You want a "X", that's what Manningham was born to play. He's got the speed to stretch the field.
This August  
Go Terps : 5/8/2009 10:41 am : link
I'm going to be rooting for Tyree more than any other player, I'll just put it that way.
Terps  
JonC : 5/8/2009 10:42 am : link
I'd agree the new draft picks probably push Moss off the roster this Summer, but it remains to be seen if Tyree can return to '07 form, at the same time.

If we can come to terms with BE on an incentive-laden contract that maxes out in the $6-7M range, I'm onboard. Otherwise, I go with what we've got in-house.
Last time I checked  
jc in c-ville : 5/8/2009 10:42 am : link
it was still the Giants D and smart play by the O that won us a SB. The addition of BE will cost to much in compensation in regards to $ and young players given up.

The NFC is winnable even with the Giants young Wr's. The upgrade on D along with the fact that the NFC is pretty pathetic is reason enough to retain picks and young talent to stay at this level for the next 5 years as I don't see the other teams leap frogging.

I'm more concerned with RB as Jacobs simply will not enter the playoffs as strong as he enters week 1 and Bradshaw may very well have shown his best stuff in 07.
Hey Eric  
MTN-G-man : 5/8/2009 10:45 am : link
throw some more chum in the water!
hehe.  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 10:47 am : link
.
Terps  
Davisian : 5/8/2009 10:47 am : link
I agree the Odds are in your favor, I'm just saying there's a lot of ways this could pan out..

Say Tyree is healthy, which is good.

But also say Moss looks really good fielding punts

And say Wright or Woodson or some UDFA or second year CB looks like a stud at gunner..

And say Moss just looks a little better at WR than Tyree, just due to his speed and wiggle..


Sorry, but Tyree makes more than all of them, and though he's been a money player for the team, it would be time to cut him.

I thought they did him a solid last year by keeping him on the roster for as long as they did, then IR'ing him, instead of just reaching an injury settlement.

I think this is all a distraction  
Bill2 : 5/8/2009 10:49 am : link
If Edwards is worth and wants 9 million per year i am pretty sure Brady can be signed for $10 million per year with some creative Abrams accounting. He'll give us a hometown discount to be near Giselle and save on an extra house in Boston.

Then we can trade ELi for picks and trade the picks to NE for Moss and Welker and Seymour. And Brady already has them broken in so Gillbride can simplify the passing trees. Seymour lets us play the 2-9 for sure and can come in for goal and short yardage as a 5th TE. Whats good about this is that we can weaken the Pats while "guaranteeing" the SB

Since we are built to win right now.

Do it Jerry!
I don't get everyone saying this a great deal  
X : 5/8/2009 10:51 am : link
or "no brainer" when you have a huge contract to deal with. This has many roster implications because of any contract BE would get.
Whats good about acquiring Seymour  
Bill2 : 5/8/2009 10:53 am : link
is that we can also play the 9-2.

When we switch back and forth with the 2-9 it will confuse the Eagles no matter how many WR they draft
did someone say Manningham....  
BillKo : 5/8/2009 10:53 am : link
probably gets cut? wow.....

Did someone also say Moss might look good returning punts? wow again.........
Ya know who looks good at gunnar?  
Beez : 5/8/2009 10:53 am : link
I'll tell you right now  
BeachBumGiant : 5/8/2009 10:54 am : link
there is no way Reese is trading Ware.
Which leads me to ... your name is Richard,  
Beez : 5/8/2009 10:54 am : link
you name one child Matthew. Next? Naturally. Gunnar.

(((And now, back to the thread.)))
Dav  
Go Terps : 5/8/2009 10:55 am : link
Everything you say is completely fair...and the Giants did do right by him last year, no doubt.

I just think that, if he's healthy, we're a better team with his contributions than we are with Moss's. And I'm a Moss guy.

The guy is a gamer, man. In December if we've got injuries at WR I trust him to show up on short notice.

Guy is a gamer.
BBG....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 10:55 am : link
that's what I'm saying.
Terps  
uberpwnage : 5/8/2009 10:56 am : link
Well then I guess we just have to disagree. Blowing up your WR corps every 3-4 years isn't a formula for success, IMO.
I'm sure the holdup was money...  
BillKo : 5/8/2009 10:57 am : link
and continues to be money. BE wants a new deal, that's where you make your money in your first free agency.

JR won't upset the salary strucure. He somewhat did that with Canty...won't do it with Edwards.
uber  
Go Terps : 5/8/2009 10:57 am : link
You don't blow it up...you maintain a pipeline. Big difference.
B2...  
Brown Hornet : 5/8/2009 11:01 am : link
...not the trees!

A few additional thoughts, to toss onto my posts from last night:  
Enoch : 5/8/2009 11:02 am : link
At this point, the longer we wait on this, the better the deal will get. Lets see how Braylon and ManKok hit it off at minicamp. That could end up decreasing the compensation that both the Browns and Edwards/Condon are willing to accept.

I think Braylon's attitude issues are overblown. Last year, the Browns season was circling the bowl, the coaches were lame ducks, and the fans were blaming him as the most visible star on the team not on IR. That's miles away from the situation he'd be in on the Giants. Put him on a stable, successful team with respected coaches and veterans, and he'll behave a lot better.

That said, cost is the big reason this probably won't happen. #1 WRs get huge contracts because they're generally not available at any price unless they're sociopaths or on the downside of their career. As teams have gotten better at managing the cap, the more valuable positions have disappeared from the FA market. QB, DE, and OT, primarily, but now CB and WR have also become really scarce. (C, S, and G are next.) Reese wouldn't be in this conversation at all if he wasn't willing to something close to the going rate for young WRs with star potential. (I'm thinking of the Roy W. contract.) If he can work enough team-protection provisions in there, as he did with Plaxico, I'd be on board.
Would  
dorgan : 5/8/2009 11:03 am : link
you guys be pissed if Eric just started this thread to drive traffic to the site?

Hell no...  
Brown Hornet : 5/8/2009 11:05 am : link
...asshats don't need to be legit in order for us to enjoy all of the mayhem that they cause.
Besides...  
Brown Hornet : 5/8/2009 11:05 am : link
...my passing tree rox!
Dorgan, no  
Davisian : 5/8/2009 11:06 am : link
Got any inside info at dragonwelding.com?

Is dorgan  
Beez : 5/8/2009 11:09 am : link
an "Eric asshat?"
Dorgan,  
AnishPatel : 5/8/2009 11:12 am : link
I was actually thinking that would be a good PR move to get some post draft attention. Not to say Eric would or wouldn't, but I was thinking it would be funny if it was BS. Either way it does help Eric out.
I know  
dorgan : 5/8/2009 11:13 am : link
exactly how this is going to play out, but I'm not telling.

some of you will be happy, others sad...that's the only hint I'm going to give you.

It all comes down to the contract.  
yatqb : 5/8/2009 11:15 am : link
But, GoTerps, I can't understand how you could sugggest that he's worth ony $3M a year. NO WR of his caliber makes that little, and I'm not considering him the 2nd coming. Hines Ward just signed a $22M contract at age 33, with declining numbers himself (60+ catches, 7 TDs).
yatqb  
Go Terps : 5/8/2009 11:15 am : link
So because other teams delve in stupidity, the Giants should as well?
dorgan just give us one hint.  
Randy in CT : 5/8/2009 11:17 am : link
Will Go Terps be happy or sad?
Dorgan...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/8/2009 11:18 am : link
I don't play those kind of games and you should know that.
dorgon  
Matt in SGS : 5/8/2009 11:19 am : link
can some be happy and sad at the same time?
Matt  
dorgan : 5/8/2009 11:22 am : link
Of course. There are more wingnuts here with multiple personalities than there are stains in Randy's shorts.

Eric, if it wasn't obvious I was joking, you're off your game.

In my opinion...  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 11:25 am : link
if Reese traded Manningham or Ware, I'd be completely shocked, and it would go against everything he's done in the past two years.
Has the Alford/Cofield rumor been posted yet?  
Anakim : 5/8/2009 11:28 am : link
?
Britt  
Gap92 : 5/8/2009 11:29 am : link
agreed 100%. I just saw this thread about 5 min ago and that was my first reaction. I'd be upset giving either away, especially Manningham. The pros could outweigh the cons, but it would definitely be uncharacteristic.
Britt  
Bill L : 5/8/2009 11:33 am : link
Ryan Grant says hello.
How would  
jaenyg : 5/8/2009 11:34 am : link
you feel about Tyree if Asante Samuals was one inch taller?

Would he still be a gamer?
Britt  
Davisian : 5/8/2009 11:35 am : link
You think Grant is the same thing?



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