WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):
"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."
"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
Shockey for a 2 and a 5.
Those are the only trades Reese has made.
They are not similar to this situation, IMO.
Don't want to part with Ware either b/c everything I read about him screams of him making the most of his opporunity this year. He is also cheap.
We have a good team, we don't need another "superstar", we just need to keep adding pieces to the puzzle. If BE is going to cost $10 million per, we can spend that money wisely elsewhere. IMHO
I'd rather do this trade than the Ware trade
I still have questions about Reese's ability to manage the trade market based on that, his near trades for Hall and Edwards and their big contracts, and the failure to get a deal done with Cleveland when they made the move for Quinn.
What I do know is if we end up making this trade and give Braylon the contract he is said to be looking for, to me, we paid too much. Considering the market, it may not be, but for this talented a team, who I no longer think has a necessity for a #1 WR, I think it will be. As far as young, potential star talent at WR, I don't think another team is close. Let's let our guys battle it out in camp and see who emerges this year and next. There are no guarantees in the NFL (BE being the catalyst for a SB), except that we will be extremely competitive and in the running for another SB for years to come with what we have now.
I'm even more worried about getting Braylon to sign at a lesser deal than he had initially asked for. Two, maybe even one nice year in blue and we're right back to dealing with another headache at WR. He'll be unhappy and looking to renegotiate. I'm tired of Giants management having to deal with that. You signed the contract, get over it. Let our young, homegrown guys earn their first big payday the right way.
Ware can catch the ball out of the backfield.
Even assuming all of the replacement draft picks DON'T bust, that's a ridiculous amount of turnover at the position. Eli Manning would essentially be throwing to a new number one WR every single season or every other season. Realistically, MOST of those WR draft picks would bust, and we'd be extremely thin on talent at the WR position every single year because we are too cheap to retain the talented guys we have.
Then what about the other positions? How are we going to reload along the OL/DL in future drafts if we are too busy blowing premium picks on WR's every year?
Let's look at this objectively - he's been in the league for 4 years. Conventional wisdom is that it takes 3 years for WR's to "get it".
And in his 3rd year, BE gets........1,300 yards and 16 TD's.
Last year was a bad year, but maybe - JUST MAYBE - that had something to do with the QB play, and the facts they sucked balls.
Say you don't want him becuase of the CAP impact, or becuase the asking price is too high, but to say that his good (fantastic) year was an anomoly, when by conventional wisdom he should have only had 2 good (great) years by now is just silly...Espcially when during that 2nd year the QB play - and the team - were just awful...
And we may be spending alot, but its not like we have a bunch of veteran recievers that will get pissed off at the contract. He'll be our highly payed superstar reciever that most every team has nowadays. There's nothing for our defensive stars to be upset about.
Edwards is one of the top wideouts in the league and if you can't see that then you aren't looking very hard. Still, I'm ready to move on and I think we'll do very well with what we've got.
I believe they are very high on Ware, and it helped them make the decision to let Ward walk.
That's just my belief. We'll see it it comes true or not.
Bradshaw will have every oppurtunity to win the position, as Ward had every oppurtunity last year. Bradshaw has showed no signs that he is not capable for this role, and unless he fumbles the pre season away, he is the number two.
Coughlin sticks to his depth chart going into training camp, and based on last year it was Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw, Ware. With Ward Gone, it will be Jacobs then Bradshaw. As I stated above, Bradshaw is to talented to lose this position
We DO NOT know who that will be at this point, IMO.
Bill, you talk about progression assumption, I think you are also using that assuming that it will be Bradshaw.
I actually have MUCH higher hopes for Andre Brown and think he'll be our #2 by next year. Jacobs, Brown, Bradshaw and the castoff du jour is more than sufficient.
And this is for Braylon Fucking Edwards!!! It's not like we're trading for Patrick Crayton here.
I just don't see how the team can hold onto 4 TE's and 5 RB's. Even if you assume one RB is gone, I think that there is still a roster squeeze and you are going to have to make a RB choice. (I included TE's in the sentence because of the hybrid spot that Beckum will have)
I just can't believe people are thinking Manningham and Ware are a potential road block to this trade. If that offer is on the table, the only thing I see preventing this from going through is Edwards' contract demands. If he will sign for a reasonable rate (nowhere near $10 M) then this trade should get done.
Edwards is still young, but comparing the two is different because he only had 1 pro bowl 1,000 + season, while Moss had alot more. So you know that BE has lots of potential as a WR, but at 10 million a year, or so, you only have that 1 year to go off of. With Moss you have a larger body of work where he proved to be successful.
Would a change of scenery work for BE? Who knows? But in the end we still only have a limited amount of work, in terms of years to go by. So I guess that's where the debate lies. Is he worth all that compensation AND that contract for his production, in his career thus far?
But I am quite sure this is fun for everyone. It's also based on incorrect information.
And again, I am not questioning Eric's honesty (as I didn't question MattSGS). I am saying their source(s) is/are wrong. Or lying.
But it is a legit NFL source, someone employed by an NFL organization.
Was the information given to you for the purpose of posting, or did you just decide to post it?
You have to be in the room to criticize a GM for the moves he didn't make. Especially if you look at his first 2 years. He's not perfect, but he isn't dumb either.
The source is not someone who was new to me.
Am I missing something here?
Here is my thinking.
IF we were able to get Edwards, the Giants have a legitimate number one receiver. Which is the final piece of the puzzle. IMO.
I have always thought Nicks would be a beast #2.
Steve Smith is the IDEAL slot receiver and still Eli Manning's security blanket over the middle.
You bring in Barden inside the 20, and use him as a red zone threat.
I'm not seeing the downside here. All of our guys still see the field, we lose Ware and Manningham who are virtual unknowns and we press onto Superbowl Caliber Championship teams for years to come.
If we could get Edwards for those terms and sign him to an 8 million a year contract (the other money will be made up when we becomes a star in the NY market)... I say we do it. Don't Look Back.
-Tim