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Asshat Alert - Latest on Edwards

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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If Randy Moss and Welker couldn't help the Pats  
kiwi : 5/8/2009 12:51 pm : link
win a SB, then I doubt Edwards can. Moss and Welker weren't the reasons for the loss, but the point is...no way is Edwards is going to have a Plaxico impact in his first year IMO.

Not only that, but we're going to have to ask him to stay healthy throughout the whole year, or we'll probably repeat '08 again if he gets hurt (assuming no one develops since most of BBI have no faith in them) and the scheme doesn't change that late in the year).

We lost Osi -> apparently no problem
We lost #1 WR -> Playoff loss - that has to change in '09 or we're doomed.
Tim - But paying a guy who wanted out of CLE beause of the fans  
kiwi : 5/8/2009 12:58 pm : link
or w/e reason and putting him in the biggest market in the windy Giants stadium and THEN paying him top WR money for only one good year isn't going to finish the puzzle IMO.

Because with all that, we'll need that one piece of the puzzle to be there in the post season and if he's not, then we'll have to rely on the guys who were held back due to Edwards/Plax/Toomer. WR is one of the main reasons we lost to PHI. Hixon, Smith, Barden, Boss, etc. aren't Edwards, but Edwards isn't going to be the final piece to another SB run. Edwards will help, but he'll be asked too much here. We need to develop our own unless a FA is actually worth the pick up (one who won't affect future picks, decisions).
I was all for getting Edwards before the draft  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 5/8/2009 12:59 pm : link
but am less excited about it now. Part of the reason is that I thought picking up Edwards would allow us to go in a different direction with our first round pick. However, now that we've picked Nicks, it's too late for that.

Honestly, if we were going to make a trade, I'd rather see Nicks for Edwards and maybe we throw in a conditional pick based on the performance of both next year. We'd still have developmental guys in Manningham and Barden (and Moss, if you're still hopeful there) to go with experienced players in Edwards, Smith and Hixon (and Tyree, if you're a fan of him). And yes, B.E. will be more expensive than Nicks, but he's also more of a sure thing and still has potential for a high ceiling in a new system with a good QB.
With no bad intent towards Eric...  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:01 pm : link
I think this whole thing is bullsh-t.
Could we maybe expand the trade  
jeremyzspoken11 : 5/8/2009 1:02 pm : link
to include a back up center from cleveland -- they have 6 centers on there roster according to NFL.com
why are people focusing on the trade demands  
djm : 5/8/2009 1:03 pm : link
it's all about the money. The contract. Of course Reese would give up Manningham or Ware for a proven WR. That's the least of our worries.

If Edwards is willing to sign a reasonable deal, I am all for trading unknown young players.

Odds are, Edwards wants too much. Will see how it plays out.
Kiwi  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 5/8/2009 1:05 pm : link
I understand what you are saying. However, The Giants are not a team that is rebuilding. We have a Super Bowl Championship Team already assembled.

Braylon Edwards would serve as a big play reciever and decoy. We need the decoy in place, so we can unleash the Beast (Brandon Jacobs) at will.

Opposing teams will respect Edwards lining up on the outside. They do not respect any of our current WR's to hurt them deep.

I trust Jerry Reese to (if indeed he signs him) to make his contract very Giant friendly.

djm....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:05 pm : link
in 2004, Osi was an unknown, too.

Aren't you glad Accorsi didn't give him away to get Manning?
well said djm  
chris r : 5/8/2009 1:06 pm : link
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Britt-  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2009 1:08 pm : link
Hindsight is 20/20.


It's a chance either way. I'm all for whatever the front office does. They've shown in the past that they can assemble a damned good team.

If they think BE is worth 2 unknowns (to fans at least- I would hope the coaches and FO know what they've got), then I'm all for it.
welp,  
bluefin : 5/8/2009 1:08 pm : link
Reese picked up 2 good WRs and a decent RB in the draft, so I wpouldn't consider Ware (3rd string RB) and Manningham (a #3 wideout) as untouchable - so basically it's Edwards vs. next years #3...pull the trigger on that.
Cam, nobody said, that I've seen,  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:09 pm : link
that OUR front office thinks Edwards is worth that.

That's what they (the Browns) are asking for.
Britt-  
Cam in MO : 5/8/2009 1:11 pm : link
Yeah, I'm just saying if it happens, it is fine with me.


I just hope that if we do get BE that #1- he produces and #2- his cap-hit doesn't hamstring us for the future.
Without  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 5/8/2009 1:12 pm : link
a proven #1 WR... Our running game (our biggest asset) is vulnerable.

I want Braylon Edwards for that reason alone.
Britt  
chris r : 5/8/2009 1:13 pm : link
in 2004, Drew Strojny was also an unknown...
Yeah, but who the hell wanted him?  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:16 pm : link
There is a reason the Brown's WANT these players, and there is also a reason that our coaches think highly of them.
oh radar...  
mort christenson : 5/8/2009 1:16 pm : link
you're not really that stupid, are you?
Britt  
djm : 5/8/2009 1:22 pm : link
Osi was a passrusher who flashed ability in his rookie year. Manningham is a flaky WR who showed absolutley nothing in his rookie season. HUGE difference. Even if Osi showed nothing at all I'd be reluctant to trade a passrushing talent for a WR. I'd be more than happy to trade an unknown WR for a playmaking WR.

But again, it's all about the money. These rumors never even mention the contract demands and then we have 500 posts on a thread where only about 10 people mention the contract demands. People are pissing on each other about Manningham and Danny Ware...it's kind of funny.

I don't suppose we trade for Edwards and NOT sign him long term until he proves himself? is that an option here? Make a fair deal with Clev, then tell Edwards to play for pay and go from there?

With all due respect....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:24 pm : link
Quote:
Osi was a passrusher who flashed ability in his rookie year. Manningham is a flaky WR who showed absolutley nothing in his rookie season. HUGE difference.


I think you are 100% wrong, here.
Britt  
chris r : 5/8/2009 1:26 pm : link
we're basing our judgment of players on the Browns judgment? I'd trust Reese's judgment more.

As someone who likes Mario,  
Randy in CT : 5/8/2009 1:27 pm : link
I think the bigger thing here is that he hasn't developed yet into a starter. He may turn out great but if we traded him as part of a deal for a proven WR, it then makes sense in the bigger picture factoring in the young WRs and the rest.
and in 2004  
chris r : 5/8/2009 1:27 pm : link
the Giants wanted Drew Strojny.
Britt  
djm : 5/8/2009 1:28 pm : link
I really don't want to get into Manningham's rookie year or compare him to Osi of 04. I wouldn't trade defense for offense so I wouldn't trade Osi. And if you believe that Manningham showed the promise of what Osi showed in 04...well...that's an interesting take. But it doesn't really matter anyway.

But just for ha ha's...Osi dominated the Panthers late in 04. Manningham caught a screen pass one time I think. He also had problems with the playbook and really never got on to the field.

If salaries weren't a concern, you trade Manningham for Edwards every single time and never even think twice about it.
Randy,  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:29 pm : link
c'mon. The guy hasn't turned into a starter?

It's barely been a year since he was drafted. He's still a rookie pretty much.

He was a first round talent taken in the third round, and he was a project, we knew that.

You would trade him away not even a year into it w/out seeing what he can do at all?
not to mention that he was completely buried on the depth chart.  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:30 pm : link
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chris r....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:31 pm : link
apparently they didn't want him that badly.
that said Britt  
djm : 5/8/2009 1:33 pm : link
I am quite intrigued with Manningham, FWIW. I don't even LOVE Edwards but he would be an upgrade. Sadly, these diva WRs are out of their minds and want too much money. He aint coming here unless Reese gets him to sign a reasonable deal. Good luck with that....
let me ask it again  
djm : 5/8/2009 1:35 pm : link
would you guys object to offering the Browns a 3rd round pick in 2010 but not re-signing Edwards at this point in time?

I think i'd do that.
I'm fine with that....  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 1:36 pm : link
but I don't want to trade future talent that's already on our roster ie: our players.
From last week  
Stan from LA : 5/8/2009 1:37 pm : link
Quote:
I am not as asshat but
Stan from LA : 4/28/2009 12:19 pm
I was told yesterday by a friend who is a big time Brown fan that he heard from someone in the Browns' organization that the Edwards deal was done and it was done a few weeks ago, but that the Giants and Edwards could not come to an agreement on contract extension terms. Apparently the Giants wanted to give Plaxico money to Edwards but Edwards wanted Fitz money.

He also said that he was told that the deal could still be done if "BE visits reality with his contract demands."


I hear this is still the case...
Same here Britt  
djm : 5/8/2009 1:39 pm : link
but getting a highly motivated Edwards, who would playing for a truck load of money, wouldn't be such a bad thing.

If he blows up this year and goes for 80 with 15 tds....NY could let him walk and most liekly re-coup the 3rd rounder as FA compensation anwyay.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of dealing a 3rd and even a 6th for Edwards and letting him play for pay.
jcn  
cosmicj : 5/8/2009 1:42 pm : link
great work on this thread.

I just don't believe a substantial part of the salary cap should be allocated to the WR position.
cosmic  
chris r : 5/8/2009 1:49 pm : link
but besides BE, not much is allocated to the WR position. A better argument is that you don't think that much cap space should be allocated to a single WR IMO.
im in  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 5/8/2009 1:50 pm : link
total agreement with britt on this. I like what we have and BE is not NY market material.
It's very simple.  
greenzone? : 5/8/2009 1:53 pm : link
IF we can do this deal we lose 2 players if im reading correctly. lets say it is MM and Ware. Ware is a RB people. I liked him in preseason just as much as the next person, but he is a RB very replaceable... As for MM potential? perhaps, Is he worth keeping not to grab someone like Edwards, hell no. Let me tell you why:
Firstly, if Edwards comes here assume he is in the 1 slot.right..I personally think Nicks/Smith will fight for 2 and 3, with the understanding that our game changer can return to his older position and guess who can return punts and kicks again. Dont get me wrong, Hixon has a huge upside as a WR but if this happens to go threw, I would not have anything wrong with throwing him in on certain packages to stretch the field. and as a 4. I personally think beckum will be an immediate impact player. So if we do get Edwards. I see Edwards/Nicks/Smith/Hixon lets not forget about Boss, Beckum out of the H-Back. Barden for 3 downs and red zone. We have mad talent.
I wont even talk about the RBS. They speak for themselves. Just my $.02
I can't take this anymore  
Anakim : 5/8/2009 1:55 pm : link
.
How  
dorgan : 5/8/2009 2:01 pm : link
long have you been hearing voices, Stan?

Could  
OC : 5/8/2009 2:08 pm : link
This be the reason we drafted Brown? It's probably been mentioned before, but I'm not reading 14 fking pgs of posts.

Anyway, I'm in the "No Thanks on BE" camp. Fk all that money he's gonna want. He's not good enough to be worth it, imo. I'd rather we go with what we have.
Unless Cle. & BE settles for less. MM needs to NOT be included.
Haha...  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2009 2:15 pm : link
Yeah, Stanley.. the deal has been done for weeks.. except no one knows about it yet! Not even the Browns or the Giants.
kiwi...  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2009 2:18 pm : link
Randy Moss and Wes Welker might not have won the Pats a title in 07, but they were a huge reason that team won 18 of their 19 games.
I love that its  
ajt2121 : 5/8/2009 2:20 pm : link
conservative to think that Ware will garner a 3rd round pick.

Thats a joke. You guys have seen him play how many snaps? How many snaps would he even play this year behind Jacobs, Bradshaw and quite possibly Brown?

This is a good deal I think and as long as Braylon isn't a little bitch about his contract and we sign him to an extension (that we don't overpay for), I think we would be stupid not to take this deal.
Not to mention that Randy did happen to break  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 2:20 pm : link
Jerry Rice's TD record that season.
When it comes to Edwards Just say NO!  
#10* : 5/8/2009 2:35 pm : link
The last thing we need is another Shockey or Plaxico and to pay more than both of thier salaries combined for him.

well, the Pats were the first team to go 16-0  
oipolloi : 5/8/2009 2:40 pm : link
so, i would hardly say getting Moss and Welker was a bad move because they lost in the SB
18-1 bitches!  
TommytheElephant : 5/8/2009 2:47 pm : link
.
I think the Giants are taking their time  
RB^2 : 5/8/2009 2:48 pm : link
and a deal will get done.
it could be another 2-3 years before Mario  
dvb : 5/8/2009 3:23 pm : link
becomes a difference maker, if ever. He didn't come from an NFL style offense. He had a wonderlic score near Eli's jersey number. More times than not it takes receivers smarter than he 3-4 years before they have a break out season. Realistically, best case scenario could be that Mario has a big season 2-3 years from now. Worst case, he never figures out the O, how to run the right routes, etc.

Pretty good endorsement of what we have by Carl Banks:  
Britt in VA : 5/8/2009 3:30 pm : link
Quote:
What I like about the Giants in the way they develop players is they seem to get better year to year and I see Domenik Hixon becoming an even bigger threat in the offense because he has the ability to get behind defenders. If you look at the Eagles playoff game, he was beating them everytime they just couldn't get him the ball.

The other guy who happens to be a personal favorite is Sinorice Moss because he has such deadly speed. He made some great plays in preseason and he gives them another dimension with speed.

Steve Smith should take the role of vintage Amani Toomer, great possession receiver and 2 rookies who knows what their roles will be. Manningham from all indications is a guy thats gonna contribute prominently at WR. They'll be loaded at WR, maybe overloaded, depending on what a guy like Manningham does.
Absolutely good endorsement and i agree  
JerseyJoe : 5/8/2009 3:41 pm : link
BUT without Braylon , we are going to need these guys producing NEXT year, it may be a tall order.
Joe - you said Hixon is definitely a top 10 receiver in the NFL.  
CL : 5/8/2009 3:43 pm : link
What changed?
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