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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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i want edwards in blue  
sinctybldh : 5/7/2009 8:37 pm : link
would want to keep manningham but it isn't a dealbreaker for me.
I agree with Curtis  
dune69 : 5/7/2009 8:38 pm : link
Stand pat.
I don't understand how we can justify 9-10 mil per  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:38 pm : link
when our top DEs don't even make that much
Yeah  
aquidneck : 5/7/2009 8:38 pm : link
I can see Mangini making that deal. He took the Jets package of marginal vets and later picks for the early draft choice.

From the Giants side I don't think it's a good deal. We're not gonna pay Edwards 10M and shouldn't. I don't want to see Reese give up three players with upside for a one year rental.

Lets keep the young guys and let 'em develop.

Pass.  
TheBigBlueOne : 5/7/2009 8:39 pm : link
I don't believe in the power of Braylon Edwards.
I'd give up Manningham in a heartbeat....  
MOOPS : 5/7/2009 8:39 pm : link
with all the other toys we've got at WR. The 3 is a no brainer. I'd be hesitant on Ware.
I would do it  
moespree : 5/7/2009 8:39 pm : link
If you can sign him to an extension. The team would then be ridiculously talented and young at key positions on both sides of the ball. There could theoretically be something like a decade's chance to do serious damage. You never know in football, with injuries and contract holdouts, but that'd make the Giants an awfully talented and young team.
LTS...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:39 pm : link
Agree...I like BE, but not at 10 mil per, although we could artificially inflate the contract to where he's not REALLY getting 10 per but it still looks pretty.
If Edwards would play for what we are paying Manningham and Ware  
Jay in Saratoga : 5/7/2009 8:39 pm : link
combined, then this is a no brainer. The higher Edwards extension cost rises from that figure the less of a deal this becomes. I have faith that the front office will make the right decision: making the deal if the contract is right, walking away if it isn't.
I don't think any contract he signs  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 8:39 pm : link

is going to be Giants friendly. I feel like it's getting rid of bad Plax and his scary contract, and then picking up bad Plax's younger brother and giving him a scarier contract.

I don't see any "good Plax" in this. I think everyone is enamored by the one good game he had last year, against us, when Ross couldn't stop falling down.

Sorry. No effing way.  
Boy Cord : 5/7/2009 8:40 pm : link
Not giving up Ware or MM.
Geez  
giantranger : 5/7/2009 8:40 pm : link
it's a tough call if you ask me. Certainly not for a one year rental. Manningham has me intrigued, and it is very likely the Giants will need Wares services this season. If it were one or the other, I'd have to say give up Manningham, asking for both is possibly too much to ask.
Why does everyone keep saying 10 mil?  
Blue21 : 5/7/2009 8:40 pm : link
JR will not overpay. JR will not pull the trigger to overpay BE.
Why do people think Edwards is the problem child Burress is  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:40 pm : link
?
sorry BBB  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:41 pm : link
but WTF does artificially inflate mean? no offense

backload?

it still counts

if he wants to accept 7.5 fine, but otherwise, he and the browns can go screw. And Braylon may actually enjoy that. NTTAWWT
Seeing as how the Giants  
Curtis in MD : 5/7/2009 8:41 pm : link
just drafted two WR's, why wouldn't they ask for more than Manningham? Why not Hixon or Smith, now that the Giants just spent a first rounder on Nicks and might be more willing to let them go?

It doesn't make any sense to me. They can get better value than Ware, Manningham, and our 3rd from the Jets or some other team. Unless the Browns are just stupid.
If Mangini wanted Manningham badly for the Jets  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/7/2009 8:41 pm : link
why did he let him slide to the 3rd round? If he was that hot for Manningham I think he would have grabbed him before round 3.

Because he is?  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 8:42 pm : link

maybe he's not stupid enough to shoot himself in the leg, but I really don't see the difference.

yes LTS...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:42 pm : link
backload into money that he'll never see...so when he signs a 5 yr/50 million dollar contract, it's not really a 5 yr 50 million dollar contract.
and I know Eric is saying this is legit  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:42 pm : link
but I'm not totally buyin' yet
BBB  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:42 pm : link
still counts on the cap
I hope  
Rick5 : 5/7/2009 8:42 pm : link
Go Terps doesn't see this.
Jay in Saratoga  
cobaltdap : 5/7/2009 8:43 pm : link
I really hope you were being sarcastic, cause BE playing for less than 1 million will never happen.
curtis  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:43 pm : link
more reason I don't buy it
LTS...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:43 pm : link
only the bonus and salaries for years he plays count on the cap...if we give him a $15 mill base in year 5, it doesn't count until year 5.
And we'd never keep him at that ridiculous base...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:43 pm : link
without renegotiating.
if we cut him before then, dead money against our cap  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:44 pm : link
which brings me to my next point

what are we trading for a 26 year old for if we only want 4 years from him?
Has Eric ever posted asshat info before? This is definitely legit  
Blue21 : 5/7/2009 8:45 pm : link
if he's saying it.
cobaltdap, obviously the price will be more than that  
Jay in Saratoga : 5/7/2009 8:45 pm : link
What I was trying to say was that on talent alone, trading MM and Ware for Edwards makes sense. But once you start factoring in money, it becomes less of a deal, and if the contract demands get high enough, it's better to keep MM and Ware at their combined price tag.
If we cut him after 4 yrs (purely hypothetical)  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:45 pm : link
the only dead money would be 1/5th of his signing bonus against our cap in year 5...more likely we'll give him a contract with a high total value, and then renegotiate in 3-4 yrs.
Not a fan of Giving up on MM  
Thigh66 : 5/7/2009 8:45 pm : link
We havent seen what the guy can do yet - Ware I am fine with sending to Clvd... But I would really prefer to keep Mario.

BE wants mega bucks...hmmm
Manningham  
Rick5 : 5/7/2009 8:45 pm : link
is nothing but a potentially good player right now. So was Tim Carter. So was Sinorice Moss.
seriously  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:46 pm : link
we are going to be in great position with the cap, Eli will get the extension around camp, money for next year will be plentiful, let our guys develop cheap (I really expect Nicks to learn quick), fill next years needs with prime talent
Rick,  
Curtis in MD : 5/7/2009 8:46 pm : link
and so is Nicks.

We will never know until he gets on the field, which he won't if Edwards comes here.
No...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 8:47 pm : link
...I want Mario on this team.

"Manningham showed absolutely nothing"

I hope that that was a joke.
gahh  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:47 pm : link
too many hypotheticals BBB

I don't want to get into this debate, it's not worth it, our guys are gonna be fine
Jay....I'm sure JR is using that leverage along with the fact BE  
Blue21 : 5/7/2009 8:48 pm : link
doesn't want to play for the Browns and probably has no intent on showing up for there voluntary stuff. This causes a big embarrasemnt for the new coach Mangini.
Think about how crippling this would be to the development of the  
Curtis in MD : 5/7/2009 8:48 pm : link
guys we already have.

Curtis  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:49 pm : link
I see you've joined the dark side ; )
LTS, hahaha.  
Curtis in MD : 5/7/2009 8:49 pm : link
I'm excited about Nicks, Barden, and Beckum getting on the field.
The deal seems fair or even a bargain for the Giants, but  
BlueLou : 5/7/2009 8:49 pm : link
it depends on what Reese and BE's agent can conclude. Not for 10 mil per, and not a 1 year rental. What's the "condition" of the 3rd rounder? Up to 2nd round if BE produces the goods, or down to 4th if he doesn't?

Eric, can you get more details?
"Our guys are gonna be fine"  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:51 pm : link
I hear this all the time on BBI, blind faith in guys who have NEVER done it in the NFL...we're ready to win now everywhere else boys. 1400 yards and 16 TD capable 26 yr old WR's don't exactly grow on trees.
Lou, Eric said it would be as high as a 3rd  
Jay in Saratoga : 5/7/2009 8:51 pm : link
So I would assume that means a 3rd or 4th depending on some milestone. Was 80 catches the rumor before the draft?
Ware = 3rd round pick.. (conservatively)  
RAIN : 5/7/2009 8:51 pm : link
Manningham= 3rd round pick

+ a third round pick. Three thirds?

Thats more than a 2 and a 5. If Edwards is willing to sign for a reasonable contract.. I do it. If not.. I don't. I find it hard to believe this has anything to do with compensation and everything to do with Braylon's contract.
wouldn't do it  
nyynyg : 5/7/2009 8:52 pm : link
trading Manningham would be a big mistake. I'm fine with the other elements of the deal. But I think we would regret trading Manningham, really regret it.

BBB  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:52 pm : link
not getting into it again, circles and circles

nut up and watch our guys grow, especially smith in his third year
If you're gonna sit here and tell me Manningham is and will be a  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 8:52 pm : link
better pro than Braylon, I would say you are completely nuts.
Manningham?  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/7/2009 8:52 pm : link
I'm intrigued by MM's potential, but he is at least a year away from being a factor. Plus he is 6' 185 lbs while BE is 6'3" 215 lbs and just as fast. With a manageable contract, I'll take BE. Ware is going to be a solid back, but we can find another. In fact, I loved Dwayne Wright coming out of college. He may be more than a serviceable back-up.
just like everyone on the pro-braylon side  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:54 pm : link
If you're gonna sit here and tell me Manningham is and will be a
Anakim : 8:52 pm
better pro than Braylon, I would say you are completely nuts.


you make shit up


who the fuck said that?

we drafted him for a reason last year, his potential is off the charts, he never had a chance to see the ball last year. Trade him before even getting to see him have a full camp? To pay Demps II 10 mil per?

yep
LTS...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:54 pm : link
My position is based on production in the NFL, yours is based on blind faith. Smith will be good for us...as a #2-3 type.
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