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Asshat Alert - Latest on Edwards

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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Curtis in MD : 5/7/2009 8:54 pm : link
especially when you consider that 2nd and 5th netted Sintim and Bomar. Although I'm sure Sintim will be come a good player, I'd rather trade those two for Edwards than Ware Manningham and 3rd rounder.
yes, potential  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 8:54 pm : link

surrounded by two pretty mediocre seasons for a #1 WR that wants a shitload of money
I would make the deal  
mdthedream : 5/7/2009 8:55 pm : link
only if we can get a deal done with Edwards.
Bill Barilko : 5/7/2009 8:55 pm : link
It depends on how they rate Manningham's potential. That's the larger issue for me. You don't want to risk trading away a future stud for what could be a one year rental.

If they're not real high on Manningham for whatever reason the deal could make sense even if they let him hit the market next year. It will give the young guys a year to develop.
i wudnt trade  
CGiants07 : 5/7/2009 8:55 pm : link
Did you watch Cleveland play last yr?  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:55 pm : link
Anyone pinning that debacle on Braylon is out of their mind. Get him in an offense with other players and our run game? Look out...
Demps II?  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 8:55 pm : link
What does that even mean?
Odd that "Mangini wanted him badly"  
Richie78 : 5/7/2009 8:55 pm : link
and yet MM slid to the end of the 3rd round. Something isn't adding up.
not saying MM  
nyynyg : 5/7/2009 8:56 pm : link
is better than BE. But MM could be a very good pro player, the guy needs his shot. Trading him before he steps on the field just doesn't make sense to me.

You give me a choice. I trade Hixon over MM in that deal 10x over. We can find someone else for ST. I like Hixon a lot too but I think it would be a big mistake to trade Manningham, this quickly.
blind faith that smith, a guy who has done nothing but produce  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:56 pm : link
since playing, will not continue to improve and produce, especially when given a more prominent role? yes, totally blind

btw, smith was being doubled last season at the end, played flanker, still got open

you have to make that trade  
Jonny : 5/7/2009 8:56 pm : link
I'm high on Mario and Ware, but it's a no brainer.
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:56 pm : link
modeling career > football
not a big fan  
MindlessBanter : 5/7/2009 8:56 pm : link
we are no longer desperate. either steal braylon away for next to nothing (ware and a 3rd, no manningham), or say no deal. we have all the cards now.
Lol Manningham and Ware are a  
RoadWarriorz : 5/7/2009 8:56 pm : link
Deal breaker to people?
This is a steal for the Giants, its actually too good to be true after our draft. I'm not believing it.
Curtis in MD : 5/7/2009 8:57 pm : link
its a worse trade than the original asking price of a 2nd and 5th.
I must've missed Smith's  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:57 pm : link
1400 yd 16 TD season and his history of being a #1 since stepping on an NFL field...I'll have to review the archives.
Bill Barilko : 5/7/2009 8:57 pm : link
based on what? How many touches have they had?
And I like Smith and Hixon...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:57 pm : link
Like them a LOT more as a 2 and 3 than I do as a 1 and 2.
so trade two of our top young CHEAP talents  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:57 pm : link
for a guy with one very good (it was a VERY good year) to pay him more than our all-pro DEs make? fuck that
What blows my mind is  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 8:58 pm : link
if it was Mario and Ware BEFORE the draft and only a 3, why we didnt pull the trigger sooner.


Ware is or 3rd string RB and Mario may be no higher than our 4th best WR.

Edwards becomes our #1 WR the moment he puts on the NYG uniform.

fuck it  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 8:58 pm : link
you continue to twist arguments to fit your narrow view

carry on
Yep I'm willing to give up our #3 RB and #4 WR for  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:59 pm : link
Several of you  
Mark from Jersey : 5/7/2009 8:59 pm : link
on this board severely over-rate Ware...

I can see the argument of wanting to keep Manningham a bit more sensible...

I still think this is a pretty good deal on the table, granted it will take time and snaps away from Nicks, Barden, and Beckum.
pick a different player  
nyynyg : 5/7/2009 8:59 pm : link
they also drafted a number of WRs too, they don't need one with no experience in return. i would rather give Moss and ANOTHER player plus Ware than give up Manningham.
twist arguments?  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 8:59 pm : link
Your whole argument is that we have guys on the roster who are capable...and you are basing this off of nothing that has been seen on an NFL field.
not to mention solidifies the only unit  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 8:59 pm : link
with a ton of unproven talent...DO IT!!!!
the operative term that makes your argument worthless  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:00 pm : link
is 'nothing'

yes, smith and hixon have done exactly 'nothing'

peace out
TMS : 5/7/2009 9:00 pm : link
sounds like he really wants to be in NYC for the off field opportunities (model, media etc.), maybe he takes less in the contract. That is the deal breaker, because the talent swap and draft pick look good for what his presence would do for our offense. Ware and Manningham have potential but are unproven, Edwards is the real deal. Ware is a ERFA with a one year deal and we drafted a lot of potential in Brown. What about the Jets? IMO.
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:01 pm : link
Differences: Braylon was the third overall pick
Braylon has been to the Pro Bowl, Braylon is a bonafide #1 WR.

0:27 Will Demps and after that you see Danny Clark - ( New Window )
Keep Mario  
KArchibald : 5/7/2009 9:01 pm : link
give them a 3rd, Ware, and either moss or a 5th...

I would hate to lose ware. I think he is going to be a nice rb, but someone pointed out that hes a FA after this year??? Plus since drafting Brown, hes expandable.... Mario, I think most of us have high hopes for. Hes in his 2nd year with us, hes cheap... Keep him...

They didnt want to trade with us before the draft.... Because they thought they would get more??? Now teams have drafted and positioned themselves for the start of training camp. I'm sure not as many teams, if any, are interested in trading for BE now. So I would say we hold the cards... Give them a 3rd, Ware, and Moss... We still have to sign him to a deal... Hes not coming cheap... We shouldnt have to surrender Mario...
Which one has shown they are a #1 WR capable of beating heavy...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 9:01 pm : link
defensive attention? They've shown they can be a solid #2 and 3...nothing more as of yet.
I'd rather give up...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:02 pm : link
...Hixon and Moss than Manningham.
Stats - Burress to Edwards  
Frank ' Harrisburg : 5/7/2009 9:02 pm : link
Edwards would probably break even with Burress in production. How is Edwards' blocking?

Edwards - 16 games
Catches 55
Yards 873
Avg Yards per 15.9
Touchdowns 3

Burress 10 games
Catches 52 - projected to 16 games
Yards 724 - projected to 16 games
Avg Yards per 13.0
Touchdowns 4

Actually with Toomer gone someone needs to replace his production. Toomer did have 4 TDs. Would Edwards need to increase his overall production?

Catches 48
Yards 580
Avg 12.1
TDs 4 Toomer - 16 games

Manningham if lucky becomes a WR  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:02 pm : link
that may scratch what Braylon has already shown. The dude was dominant and most likley will be again in the proper environment. He is a former #3 OVERALL pick, you dont get picked 3rd at WR unless you have a TON of talent.
58Burst : 5/7/2009 9:02 pm : link
. I think this deal would come back to bite us in the ass. Move on.
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:02 pm : link
Have you spoken to Braylon?
KWhite2250 : 5/7/2009 9:04 pm : link
highly overrates many players. I like Smith and Hixon but neither are or will be #1's. And I'm probably the biggest MM fan on here but I will drive him to the airport if need be to get this deal done
Ware is the soon to be #1giant rb  
slefrak : 5/7/2009 9:06 pm : link
And mm the#1 we. No trade
Thank God Anak is not a GM  
SteelGiant : 5/7/2009 9:07 pm : link
I think I rather have Millen over Anak; that might be a stretch; but this thread has taken me from Anak defender to Anak ingnorer.

I'm not comparing MM to Braylon; But he could be everything that Moss could have been. If we could toss then Hixon; I like the corps of Edwards, Smith, Manningham; with Nicks and Barden earning a spot as soon as they are ready. That would be great depth.

Edwards is not proven either. He has proven to be inconsistent. I do like the idea of having a veteren presence. Incosistence scares me cause I'm a Knicks fan and I remember John Starks.
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 9:07 pm : link
Do you realize how useless it is to compare Burress' stats in our offense to Edward's stats in Cleveland's awful offense?
what have manningham and ware  
Drastic252 : 5/7/2009 9:07 pm : link
Done to receive such high praise? And Were do people see potential in Ware? He had one ok rush last year
Edwards isn't proven?  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 9:08 pm : link
1400 yards, 16 TD...he's more proven than our entire WR corps combined. People want to point to last yr on a horrendous Cleveland offense...
KWhite seriously  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:08 pm : link
these guys havent even proven ANYTHING yet and are still very green. One is a third stringer (maybe a 4th with Brown on board) and the other will be lucky to be any higher than a 4th stringer this year.

How do the Giants find money to sign Eli?  
Steve in South Jersey : 5/7/2009 9:09 pm : link
if they bring in Edwards and his contract demands?
Guys, Its all about the contract....DoesB.Edwards want to be in NY  
George from PA : 5/7/2009 9:09 pm : link
The compensation is not an issue. A couple of players that are not even proven starters.....and mid-round daft nothing.

Granted, Is B.Edwards a top 10 WR....outside of his break out year and being a top 5 draft pick....I don't know for sure..I don't see any Browns gams..I am assuming he is that talented.

The only hurdle is his contract.
SteelGiant : 5/7/2009 9:10 pm : link
I'm with you
Put Edwards on this team  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:10 pm : link
and this team will have no glaring holes in ANY unit.

Hixon can focus on KR/PR duties and play only in specific offensive packages (strenthening our STs as well)
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:11 pm : link
Drastic..thank you  
Blue21 : 5/7/2009 9:11 pm : link
I don't understand this adoration for two unprovens.
so, if he's a sure #1  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 9:12 pm : link

why is it the only year of three he has #1 stats is when the QB plays very well?

c'mon, he's not Mike Furrey, at his size and skill level, he is not 100% dependant on QB play.
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