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Asshat Alert - Latest on Edwards

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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Does Edwards  
DG : 5/7/2009 9:12 pm : link
make that catch on 3rd and 11 in the SB? Not in my opinion. I would not trade Manningham either. Hixon and a 3rd would be my offer.
we gave up Ryan Grant for a 6th  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:13 pm : link
6th folks.

With Andre brown , Ware is arguably our 4th back. With The WRs and TE weve picked up Mario isnt any higher than a 4th stringer at receiver.

This is a no brainer if true.
So now  
RoadWarriorz : 5/7/2009 9:14 pm : link
People find Manningham more valuable than Hixon?
What has Manningham done to be valued this highly? What can he do that Smith, Nicks or Barden can't?
Blue21  
Buck Dharma : 5/7/2009 9:14 pm : link
The sheep are following a couple of the heavy hitters who said they wouldn't part with Manningham.
Just stop already...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:14 pm : link
..."Manningham if lucky becomes a WR
JerseyJoe : 9:02 pm
that may scratch what Braylon has already shown. The dude was dominant and most likley will be again in the proper environment."

BigBlueBrethren :  
Frank ' Harrisburg : 5/7/2009 9:15 pm : link
My stats were objective and meant to give posters the opportunity to compare the two. Of course Edwards is 25 and I am sure the Giants are looking to sign him for 4 years. Money will play a big part.

The expectations would be high because if the other WRs don't produce for Toomer's stats that means Edwards would have to produce much greater numbers. Can he?












DG do the Giants only have  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:15 pm : link
10 pts in the 4th with a 2007 edwards on the team instead of a gimpy Buress?
Steel  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:16 pm : link
That's not a compelling argument. Sinorice was never going to be a #1 WR. He was drafted to be a slot receiver, nothing more. His biggest attribute was his speed. Manningham's best attribute is his hands.


Actually, Manningham is very similar to Nicks...except Manningham had off the field issues
BBB  
SteelGiant : 5/7/2009 9:16 pm : link
what makes you so sure to toss Money at a player with one explosive year

06= 884yds= 6tds
07= 1289yds= 16td
08= 873yds= 3TDs

not proven
this is just preciously fucktarded logic  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:16 pm : link
'With Andre brown , Ware is arguably our 4th back'

So Ware hasn't proven anything and thus is expendable, but the guy who literally has never set foot on an NFL practice field, is suddenly higher on the depth chart?

Joe has reached a new low
valuing Manningham over Hixon is lunacy  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:16 pm : link
sheer lunacy
Do the Giants lose to the Eagles...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:16 pm : link
...with a healthy 1987 Anthony Munoz?
Steel LOL  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:18 pm : link
those numbers for the 1st 3 years for a WR are incredible. Many HOF WRs didnt have those kind of numbers there first 3 years.
Buck  
Boy Cord : 5/7/2009 9:18 pm : link
I read maybe two posts on this thread before posting I don't want to give up Ware or MM. We just let Ward walk. RB is a strength and I don't see any reason to deplete it. Also, the back we drafted has had foot problems. Say one of BJac, Bradshaw, or the rookie go down and we trade Ware we have two RBs.

If we are going to trade a WR let it be Moss. If MM is everything many on this site have said he could be I want to see the next chapter. Plus, I hate Mangini and the Browns. Let him draft his own players rather than cherry pick ours.

Giants need to stick to rumors we heard in the past: Trade picks not players.
This board is really pretty funny.  
Enoch : 5/7/2009 9:18 pm : link
Before the draft, the majority of us were a bit too emotionally invested in getting either Edwards or Boldin. After that didn't go down, we felt a little betrayed, and overreacted by investing ourselves emotionally in the guys we drafted and the guys already on the team. Now the majority thinks that a much less expensive deal for Edwards would be a rip-off.
it's not his first three years  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 9:19 pm : link

he was a 2005 draft pick
It seems  
Rick5 : 5/7/2009 9:19 pm : link
like there is a lot of conflicting information in these asshat reports. Weren't the earlier asshat reports putting it more on BE's contract demands than the actual trade compensation to cleveland? Ah, screw it. This horse has been beaten into semi-liquid form. I'm just going to stop thinking about this and assume we are going into the season with what we have.
This amounts to  
rnargi : 5/7/2009 9:19 pm : link
a 3rd from 08, a waiver wire pickup, and a 3rd in 10 for Braylon Edwards.

Two players that have not proved they can play in the NFL and a future pick for Braylon Edwards

road warrior  
SteelGiant : 5/7/2009 9:19 pm : link
I think Smith is ready to be our #2; Edwards would be our number one, so I was thinking as Hixon as more expendable.
If they had had more possessions they might have scored more;  
DG : 5/7/2009 9:19 pm : link
i.e., if Ross could actually have covered Welker in the 4th quarter.
Obviously I'd rather trade Moss, Rucker or Tyree over Manningham  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:20 pm : link
But the Browns wouldn't want any of the 3 for obvious reasons
margi...  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 9:21 pm : link
Thank you.

If the contract isn't crippling, show me where to sign.
ok so let me get this  
dairborn : 5/7/2009 9:21 pm : link
Manningham got hurt last year and couldn't learn the playbook enough for the coaches to feel good about putting him in the game. Now the browns want an unproven player who's not the fastest learner. WHAT? Are you serious. I have great faith in Manningham given time and consistancy, but wow, just wow. Hixon would be a better option if they wanted anyone. I don't like the idea at all. Keep ware, keep manningham, keep the picks and press on. We don't need edwards.
Did you guys watch Cleveland last year?  
BigBlueBrethren : 5/7/2009 9:21 pm : link
How many different QB's did they start?
rnargi...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:21 pm : link
...not if the coaching staff thinks that MM or DW is a potential starter. At that point, their draft position is no longer valid.
I'd do it.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2009 9:22 pm : link
I think that's good compensation for the Browns and a fair deal for the Giants who have to resign Braylon for big time dollars.
Majority thinks it's a rip off? Eh, not how I see it  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:22 pm : link
I see a coaching staff and FO who have continually shown an ability to replace players, star players even, with guys through the draft and have had success.

I see a solid youth group who will be competing like hell for PT in camp, raising each others' level of play every day.

I see a good cap situation that could be very advantageous for next year.

And I see a team that needs to re-sign it's franchise QB, maybe a younger DT in Cofield

I see a majority of posters who think this is Madden

And I NEVER have made the Madden comparison to posters until now. Never.
I would like to say  
SteelGiant : 5/7/2009 9:22 pm : link
I would not hate this trade; I would be comfortable making it; I just dont think giving up Manningham should be needed.
LTS you are plain ignorant  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:23 pm : link
if you knew football youd know RB is one of the more instant impact positions. Brown in college, has shown good blocking and rec skills to boot. In any event even if he werent ready to be the 3rd stringer (which is why I said ARGUABLY) we have not 1 but TWO guys higher on the depth chart in Jacobs and Bradshaw anyways.
I think the only thing we can count on, currently on the roster,  
Jay in Saratoga : 5/7/2009 9:25 pm : link
is that Steve Smith is probably a decent to good flanker. He'd be a better flanker if we had a decent to good split end opposite him. Is that SE Hixon? Nicks? Manningham? Moss? Barden?

Edwards is probably much more of a sure thing, especially in 2009. Though if the only way to get Edwards to in NY is to sign him to an extension that potentailly costs the Giants a chance to extend Kiwanuka, Smith or other key players over the next few years, then maybe the shot gun approach using young gusy with potential is the way to go.
Joe, it's not really arguable when considering your logic for  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:25 pm : link
trading ware. He hasn't done a thing in the NFL, therefore he is expendable. Brown has never even stepped on a practice field, yet he is arguably higher than ware on the depth chart already.

seriously, fucktarded of the highest proportion

try again kid
It is not "the sheep following",  
DG : 5/7/2009 9:25 pm : link
did any of you who (based on some evidence, granted) downgraded MM actually watch him play for UM? He has phenomenal hands, and made more game-winning catches than BE did. I'm not disputing BE's talent. And I do value Hixon's abilities. I just like MM's upside better than Hixon's.
GIVE THEM SINORICE MOSS PLEASE  
G_V_P 4 MVP : 5/7/2009 9:26 pm : link
.
The biggest issue is how you fit Braylon into our salary cap long term  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:27 pm : link
We need to sign Eli to a contract extension as it is.

We have big money wrapped in a lot of players
87 of them  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 9:27 pm : link

but, BE is a #1 WR with superstar potential. should be able to rise above it. guess not, guess he needs someone throwing lights out to put numbers up. Eli better be 100% on top of his game, then, I wouldn't want BE sulking and dogging it again, especially for $8-10M a season.

it's not that he's not skilled, it's that the guy is a whining dog. and if you feel we've gotten rid of that problem, why do you go back down that road again, for even more money?

I understand most WR's are headcases, but I would rather have a headcase WR that is putting out an honest effort... at least most of the time.
fucking hixon  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:27 pm : link
if he never drops that fucking bomb, none of this is ever discussed.


pick back up the gamesticks boys, let jerry run the show
I was interested in trading for Edwards  
Bino5 : 5/7/2009 9:27 pm : link
but all along said I wouldn't include players. I like Ware though I'm not too concerned there but I wouldn't trade any of the current WR's(that anyone would want).

I also am pretty confident the Giants haven't had much interest in trading for Edwards since very early March although if the price keeps coming down maybe they will re-think it.
Hello we have a TON of WRs with most quite green  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:28 pm : link
Hixon
Smith
Nicks
Barden
Tyree
Moss
Manningham

Dont forget Beckum will be a receiving option in certain packages as well

thats 7 WRs and a receving H back.

Braylon automatically is the #1 on that list the moment he puts on a uniform.

OF COURSE MANNINGHAM BEING TRADED IS NOT NEEDED?  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:28 pm : link
BUT THE BROWNS WANT A QUALITY WR INSTEAD OF A PLAYER LIKE SINORICE OR TYREE.


Gosh, to get a great player, you have to give up something.
Do it, JR!  
TD : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
As long as we can afford Braylon, I think it's a good deal. I like the players and want to keep the potential 3rd we're losing but I like Braylon more.

To me, it's an easy decision. Do it.
I would HATE to lose Ware  
bigblue12 : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
b/c I really think he is going to be an outstanding back, but I think I would have to make that deal
Lets not go crazy here..  
Sean in PA : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
Braylon Edwards is a very talented NFL WR and is only 26. The deal has to seriously be considered.
he did drop it LTS  
nyynyg : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
so that is all we can go on. but if that is your argument to keep Hixon, everyone else and not make the deal, then fine. I'm okay with that.

My take is if Manningham is part of the deal for Edwards, I pass.
Bino  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
I agree if the price comes down further we may consider it.

As is, I think Jerry is laughing ass off reading this thread
Jay  
SteelGiant : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
I agree with you. If Manningham is the deal breaker I rather have Edwards; Especially for this year, he definately makes are corp stronger with experience. I just think we could do it without giving up manningham, he COULD be a nice receiver in the slot; I know he is totally unproven but he could be a huge help.
LTS...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:29 pm : link
...agreed. If Jerry pulls the trigger, I root like hell for Braylon and never look back.

I hope that if he does tho, that MM is not involved.
are you kidding  
giantfanboy : 5/7/2009 9:30 pm : link
Ware should some flash in exhibition games - a la Sean Bennett and people fall in love with him
Manningham showed NOTHING in a season where he had golden opportunity to step up

I do this deal in a heart beat
If money and Edwards' long-term  
DG : 5/7/2009 9:30 pm : link
happiness are the issues, why not take a flyer on a veteran like Harrison to allow the young guys time to develop? If the deal does not get done, it speaks to Reese's confidence in whom the Giants already have outweighing Edwards' assets.
MM...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:31 pm : link
...showed nothing.


Seriously?


wow~
Harrison?  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:31 pm : link
Are you serious?
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