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Asshat Alert - Latest on Edwards

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/7/2009 8:18 pm
WARNING: If you do not like rumors or rumor-mongering, please leave this thread immediately for your own mental health. Please don't shoot the messenger. The following was provided to me by a legitimate source (not one of the previous Edwards asshats on this site):

"The talks are still on. The Browns are being cheap right now and have no interest in re-signing Edwards to a big deal. They are willing to take low compensation. They are asking for a conditional next year (high as a 3) and Danny Ware and Mario Manningham (who Mangini wanted badly for the Jets). They were asking for these same two players before the draft, but the feeling is they can get NY to bite now that they got Nicks and Brown in the draft."

"(I do not) know the status of the Giants response to this offer."
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DG  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:31 pm : link
Braylon truthfully speaking is easily worth ANY of our WRs. Further, Manningham has shown less on the NFL level than Hixon and smith.

Manningham may not be truly NFL ready to contribute for another year, if ever.
Jerry was definitely laughing at the pre-draft rumors  
Bino5 : 5/7/2009 9:32 pm : link
after the deal had been dead for a over a month.
Brown Hornet...  
rnargi : 5/7/2009 9:32 pm : link
neither will be starting this season. Both WILL play, but this is a no brainer in my opinion.
I don't see what leverage the Browns have at this point  
Nitro : 5/7/2009 9:33 pm : link
that seems like a steep price - I trust JR will hold out.
My preference would be to keep Mario  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/7/2009 9:34 pm : link
but he is by no means a dealbreaker. Get it done, Jerry.
Edwards is better than any WR on the Giants roster  
Buck Dharma : 5/7/2009 9:34 pm : link
He's a legitimate #1 and a potential superstar, he makes the Giants better instantly.
I get that this...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:36 pm : link
...is a deal that must be considered, but I simply don't want to part with MM.

I normally don't care about the $$ as it's not my job and I don't think that anyone here can determine what a guy is worth, but do you pay BE more than Osi, Tuck, any of our OLine?

I like BE, but I don't want his contract to be one of those things that come between players.

I also think that MM is a legit NFL WR.

Finally, SS is a #1.
Buck dont speak like that  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:36 pm : link
pure and obvious truth is not allowed on this thread!!!
Edwards is a wanna be model  
bois : 5/7/2009 9:38 pm : link
With bad hands, who wants $10 million a year despite having only one good season as a pro (by #1 receiver standards). P-A-S-S

I truly hope these Braylon rumors die out for good before long.
I can understand  
Overseer : 5/7/2009 9:40 pm : link
not wanting to part with Ware or Manningham and/or not wanting to take on a monstrous contract, but the dissing of Edwards is just absurd. I cannot believe he was called "average." Even ignoring his insane 2007 year, he absolutely shredded the Giants D in week 6. You saw what he can do first hand ... against a Super Bowl caliber defense (granted Ross played atrociously that game).
Let's pay Edwards more than  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:40 pm : link
Tuck, Osi, Canty, Robbins, Webster, etc... etc...

for one good year
Assuming this is true  
GiantHeart : 5/7/2009 9:41 pm : link
We are going to learn alot about what Reese thinks of his current crop of recievers.

If I were a betting man I would guess that Reese says no and goes to camp with what we got... but...

who knows?
lol bad hands  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/7/2009 9:41 pm : link
He wouldn't have been drafted if he had bad hands. All receivers drop passes. Especially when your quarterback is average at best.
edit: one very, very good year, all pro year, one out of 4  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:41 pm : link
but pay him more than our top DEs, DT, and the same as our Elite CB?


rnargi email
Some of you guys are simply nuts  
twostepgiants : 5/7/2009 9:42 pm : link
mind boggling really.
LTS go to Giants.com MB  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:42 pm : link
your pop gun IQ and crass plebian behavior fits like a glove there.
I'll trust Reese & co's...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/7/2009 9:43 pm : link
judgement on this one. I think they've earned it. If they want to add Braylon to the other B's we picked up, I'll assume they made the right decision.

Personally, I guess I fall on the side of going with what we got, although I must admit that if they think they can fit him into our cap long-term having combinations of Braylon, Smith, Nicks, Barden, Moss, Tyree, Boss and Beckum to guard in the red/green zone with Jacobs or Bradshaw in the backfield should be enough to cause defensive coordinators to go absolutely nuts.
irony at its finest joe  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:43 pm : link
keep tryin, kid
Remind me again  
twostepgiants : 5/7/2009 9:43 pm : link
how of many of you said that we were fine with what we had after the Plaxico incident?
I love how Eric just posts this and then he lets us all talk  
Anakim : 5/7/2009 9:43 pm : link
Eric, can we have more details or at least an update?
dont need to try LTS  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:44 pm : link
you're doing a great job on your own
but he's only played with mediocre or worse QB's.  
lalalalala : 5/7/2009 9:44 pm : link

not superstars like Jeff Blake, Josh McCown, Shawn King, John Navarre and Matt Leinart.
To me, Manningham is our most tradeable WR.  
Enoch : 5/7/2009 9:44 pm : link
Moss, Tyree, and the assorted bric-a-brac aren't worth anything in trade. No value there.

We're not trading either of our rookies before we've even seen them in camp. That kind of move just pisses of your scouts.

Smith is the only starter we have with anything close to a track record. Too valuable to part with.

Hixon has diminished trade value because of his expiring contract, particularly to a team looking at longer-term rebuilding like CLE has. His ST contributions also don't add to his value to the Browns, who already have the best returner in the league in Josh Cribbs. He's worth more to the win-now Giants, so we wouldn't get good value if we were to trade him.

That leaves Mario. No track record to suggest that he would help on '09, but enough potential based on his college years to entice a team with the long term in mind. And he's under contract through 2011. He's the only WR we've got whose value might be higher to a team like the Browns than it is to the Giants.
So is it Gilbride's scheme or failure to execute Joe  
Nitro : 5/7/2009 9:45 pm : link
I can't remember?
GmenLTS..  
bois : 5/7/2009 9:45 pm : link
No need to specify... The truth is, if Braylon comes here he'll want a contract that will make him the highest paid player on the team. Period. He wants to be a $10 million a year player. Take a look at the Giants '09 salaries. Nobody hits $10 million.

And I can say, without hesitation, that Eli Manning, Brandon Jacobs, the entire O-Line, the entire D-Line, and Corey Webster are all better at their jobs than Braylon Edwards is at his job.


But yea, fuck it, fuck building a team. Let's turn this into Madden, give Braylon the moon and rake in Super Bowl trophies. It's just that easy. He's always proven to be productive, focused, a team player and a winner.
Manningham ?? I would say no  
Blue Blood : 5/7/2009 9:46 pm : link
They can have a conditional pick.. Ware and Moss... We gotta resign this guy to a bug contract. Manningham has a lot of upside.. I say no..
nitro it was the lack of a 2-9  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:46 pm : link
bois, Eli's over 10 but that's it. And that's how it should stay
Bois - you really think Reese is going to ink him  
Overseer : 5/7/2009 9:47 pm : link
for 10 mil/per? C'mon... No chance.
You know what ??  
Blue Blood : 5/7/2009 9:48 pm : link
Cleveland has played their hand by drafting and signing receivers all over the play.. lowball them.. give a conditional pick and thats IT.. no players..
Enoch great post  
JerseyJoe : 5/7/2009 9:48 pm : link
and he also has Michigan ties up there.

I would do that trade in a second  
Plax17 : 5/7/2009 9:48 pm : link
our offense would be great with Braylon
overseer, you really think reese wants to part with a guy he drafted  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:48 pm : link
after one year, with loads of potential?

or ware who he snatched off a PS and saw something?
BB  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:49 pm : link
exactly

and I'd bet my savings Jerry feels the same
Overseer. I agree. Why does everyone  
Blue21 : 5/7/2009 9:50 pm : link
on here seem to think they know all the details.I trust JR. He know BE better than anyone on here and knows his own players better than anyone on here.And knows BE's worth. I trust he will not overpay.
GMenLTS  
RoadWarriorz : 5/7/2009 9:50 pm : link
yea let's not pay Edwards for one good year.
But let's make Canty our highest paid DLineman for no good years.
I would rather give Edwards money than Canty
oh... god....... that just makes me all warm and fuzzy  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:50 pm : link


'But let's make Canty our highest paid DLineman for no good years.'



BAHAHAAHAhAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAH
Overseer..then he walks at the end of the year..even better.  
bois : 5/7/2009 9:50 pm : link
Somebody will give him more money than the Giants will, more money than the Giants should, more money than he deserves.

Again, I fail to understand the #1 receiver argument. Our team struggled last year without Plax, but Braylon isn't Plax. We'll be fine without some overpaid wideout.
exactly  
Nitro : 5/7/2009 9:51 pm : link
what leverage does Cleveland have? They keep him this year and he disappears after it in free agency and they get nothing in return.
wait...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:51 pm : link
...you don't have any savings~
..  
yankees78 : 5/7/2009 9:51 pm : link
well..let's see how this plays out
JerseyJoe  
Milton : 5/7/2009 9:51 pm : link
The reason to value Manningham over Hixon is because Manningham has three years left on his deal and Hixon has only one year left. If Edwards were signed to a longterm deal there is no way that Hixon would be back in 2010.

I'd prefer it if it were Hixon and Ware; but I agree with those who say you can't say no to Manningham, Ware, and a conditional 3rd round pick if Edwards can be signed to a reasonable longterm deal.
I say take Ware out of that deal and pull the trigger.  
bradshaw44 : 5/7/2009 9:51 pm : link
I can understand them wanting a WR that has potential in return for a guy that has proven himself.

But as LTS said earlier, fuck paying him $10mil. If thats part of it I don't want him.
exactly brownie  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:52 pm : link
house money bitches

I'm riachhhh biatchhhhhhh
Screw Cleveland  
Blue Blood : 5/7/2009 9:52 pm : link
let em stew for a while..

However I will admit BE at #1 and Nicks #2 with some Smith and Hixon thrown is is very very very sexy....
heh...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:52 pm : link
...idiot?



Sorry, I was jus' following the script~
Certainly not LTS  
Overseer : 5/7/2009 9:53 pm : link
but if drafting Nicks, Barden, and Beckum isn't proof that Reese is concerned about the receiving game, I don't know what is.

This is all speculation, but the person who mentioned Ryan Grant made a good point - and in that situation the Giants got almost nothing in return. Yeah, it'd suck to lose Ware or Manningham but you're getting a proven player in return.
BB  
GMenLTS : 5/7/2009 9:53 pm : link
it would look awesome that line up.

I agree, i'd like it, but there's a limit to price
Here is my deal  
Blue Blood : 5/7/2009 9:54 pm : link
a pick.. Ware and Moss and Tyree.. take it or leave it...
BB...  
Brown Hornet : 5/7/2009 9:54 pm : link
...throw in some MM instead of Hixon and I like it too.
The Giants wont make this trade  
wewonsbxlii : 5/7/2009 9:54 pm : link
They would sooner offer Sinorice Moss + Danny Ware + a 5th. As a matter of fact I am almost positive that is what their counter will be, and probably remain. Else we go into the season with a plethora of hot shot young guns shooting to make the big time baby!
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