This may have been discussed on some of the rant threads, but I really don't care to venture into them..
His point about Eli's next snap call always following "Omaha" gives an advantage to the D in terms of getting a nice jump, I'm not sure is correct..If it is, then why wouldn't we see this and change things up?
Doesn't make sense that the Giants would not be aware of this if true..
What were your impressions when hearing this(ad nauseum, btw)?
Anish has pointed out that he hinks Omaha calls off shifts in formation when the play clock runs down. That explanation makes the most sense to me.
I don't know diddly-squat though.
It does help them know when to get into position vs. when they have time to bluff.....but I don't think that was his point or what people have taken it to be.
It means Omaha = "I'm done with the call you knuckleheads, listen up, I'm going to call for the ball next"
The snap count itself will still vary and will be given in the huddle.
i'm sure people have noticed defenses showing one alignment and then switching out of if before we snap the ball? well what if they show us an alignment, then wait for "Omaha" to go to their real alignment. It's too late for us to change our play at that point.
And yes the snap count thing is valid as well. Both the Saints and Arizona have been getting off the snap faster than our offensive lineman even, and that isn't the case unless they know the count.
Finally, I keep seeing people saying something along the lines of it not being an issue because he says it multiple times. I disagree. The only time he says it multiple times is when he strings it together, like:
"omaha......omaha....set hut"
MindlessBanter : 10:48 am
it is completely valid. and it doesn't only tell teams when we're going to snap it, it also tells teams when we're done doing our pre-snap reads and the play is in stone.
Having the play "set in stone" gives nothing away to the defense and it is no different than just going up to the LOS and running the play from the huddle.
And it doesn't tell the defense when we snap it. If eli goes "Omaha - hut" on one play, chances are the next he goes "Omaha - Omaha - hut" on the next. The ball is being snapped on the hut, and that is not easy to time if you are a defender.
just sayin. =)
2. Eli has been sacked a whopping 6 times.
I don't think it's an issue. So somtimes a guy gets lucky or has a good night... I think the benefits far outweight the negatives.
Being predictable on the snap count isn't necessarily a bad thing. He has been successful drawing the defenses offsides.
As I said above, when you know that info, it doesn't let you jump the count....what it does is allow your guys to be jumping all over the place with a reasonable sense of when the ball is gonna be snapped. When you have a guy like Wilson or Antrelle Rolle, who have the speed to be in one place pre-snap and bail out just prior to be in another place entirely after the snap, that bit of info can make all the difference in toying with a QB. THAT was the issue...not bertrand berry getting a good jump.
As I said elsewhere, that's why I would have liked to see some quick snaps/no huddle.
I would say it's because the Giants constantly snap at 1 or less, but a dlineman isn't really in position to know that, unless the can read the crowd's growing disgust
it's NOT valid in the sense that i was under the impression that 99.9% of the football-watching world was aware of this PRIOR to last night's game, most significantly, every single coach and player in the NFL. collinsworth might as well have pointed out that you get 4 downs to move the ball 10 yards.
this is NOT a secret. Eli uses it when the clock is running down, as he acknowledges not having enough time to go through his normal cadence before the play clock expires. in essence, it's an audible for the cadence, meaning that rather than "on 4" (for example) or on the 4th "hut," we're now going to use the first "hut" because i don't have time to say "hut" four times without getting a delay of game penalty.
Sure would be stupid to call out Omaha three times to let them know we'd better snap it on the first Hut.
no, seriously. i think we need to mix it up a bit. but again, this wasn't exactly a revelation by collinsworth, and with 1 second on the playclock, being mysterious isn't a high priority.
And while I no longer hate Collingsworth I believe he's overrated. It took me several years to get over his BS during SF meltdown. I was screaming "he was eligible and this asshole doesn't know the rules".
answer: because he's trying to see what the defense is showing. the hope is that any blitzers will show their hand a little bit and the defensive alignment can be dissected.
another: if defenses know that the Giants aren't going to hike it until after the "Omaha" call, will they show their true intentions beforehand?
answer: no
and another: if defenses know that eli is using their alignment before he says "Omaha" for the basis of his line calls, is it possible that they might feign a completely false alignment to try to bait the Giants into running a play that plays into their strength?
answer: yes
i disagree
Look... the New York Giants are a professionsl football organization. They have been running this cadence since Tom Coughlin / Eli Manning arrived. During that time they have been one of the most successful regular season teams, made the playoffs every season, and, oh yea have won a freggin Super Bowl against what experts were calling the best team of ALL FREGGIN TIME.
Do you really think this stupid OMAHA crap is a problem???
But some fans on a message board, many of whom I am not sure how they dress themselves, are all over it.
But we could always go talk about Megan Fox if thast's better.
Again, even if the opposition knows the ball will be snapped on hut, they have to first figure out that Omaha wasn't said, so it gives them no advantage.
By the way, he best answer in TC's press conference this week was when a reporter asked if running the play clock down to zero gave the defense an edge at jumping the snap clock and he said that it would only if the DL had extremely long necks to be able to see the clock from their stance.
You see, things that seem like valid questions from fans and reporters make actual football people laugh at the stupidity of them.
I'm just sayin'.