is going to be ok if the Gmen can get some sort of a running game going to take a little pressure of ELI and the WR's. The Giants running game has been struggling for years because of HOW we run the ball. It is based on run and shoot principles and is more scheme than physicality. That is why we struggle running short yardage.
The Giants have got to get better with running their plays smoothly and more in a fluid game plan style. This confusion, penalty, lost looking offense is getting really annoying.
I'd like to see a Rogers/LJ team out there, since Rogers is
I would rather have Romo in because the Cowboys will still take chances and try and play their normal offense. If Orton comes in they will run more and wear down our Dline...
would give up on the running game, and replace it with flanker screens to Randle. The Dallas LBs are too fast right now.
We're beating ourselves. Can't stop the slant. Can't get pressure. Good coaching is about making adjustments. Let's see what Coughlin and Fewell do. This game can still be won. Or we can continue to beat ourselves.
Morris was passed on 5 times by many teams. The Redskins had dumb luck with that one. And those giving up on Wilson now are going to look like fools. He's having a nightmare game, but no reason to give up on him
Coughlin is a fraud bitches and moans that his team doesn't have enough preparation yet many other teams look sharp
Media loves when the Giants lose and can't wait to broadcast it why get upset
Shit coaching and shot play. Wilson is a big goat but Eli hasn't played much better.
Coughliincan whine about lack of practice and the new rules but he has the same deal as every other coach. Just totally sad how the team just looks totally unprepared.
Calling for Wilson's head labeling him a bust already. Yeah he's fumbled twice. The first one was ripped out, and this one he was just about down. Shit happens. Not like he was blown up of anything. Give the D some credit
Derrick Ward @DerrickWard32 2m
Like I said again NY Giants if y'all want me to come work with David Wilson on holding on to the ball let me know. 2 fumbles 2nite
In the end, this all comes down on Coughlin and Reese. We do not have an O-line. We put hopes on a second year guy at RB. We have no LBs.
This is the same shit over and over. I want to blame the O-line but these guys are what they are. They are giving us their effort, they just are not good enough. Same with the LBs.
We have no running game, but we have Cruz, Nicks, and Randle. How bout a slant on 3rd and 1 instead of Scott running the ball? It's not rocket science. Spread the fucking field and throw a quick slant.
I am sorry. That drive would have been the perfect time for the hurry up. Get some rhythm. They hit Nicks and Cruz. Speed up the tempo and get Dallas confused. No, lets keep running the ball and ending up 2 feet short.
Did people really expect us to come into this game
Coughlin is in a tough spot. Wilson has coughed it up twice so you've got to bench him for now. The cupboard is bare right now at RB. Reese took a gamble by relying on Andre Brown to play such a big role despite his injury history. Hope it gets better
analysis as usual from Carl Banks there. I like Banks on with Joe and Evan, but they don't get much worse when it comes to radio analysts. He's a train wreck on the radio
But people calling for him remember he couldn't get short yardage either, right? Can't get yards when you're o line's a sieve...anywho, should have remembered to stay off game threads.
Friggen D has been decent we can'r put one single
damn drive together .
Hands to the face rips the guys helmet off no call .
Lousy spot he was short but not that much .
tries to outsmart himself. here, he has a runner who should not be on an NFL roster and he thinks that the Cowboys will not respect him, so let's run him. the point, though , gillbride is there is a reason why they don't respect him.
and has no business starting for an NFL team. He might be fast and maybe a little elusive and maybe he can be a 3rd down back buut he has no business being the feature back in the NFL. He's not strong enough.
because you don't win 2 fucking super bowls with a terrible offensive coordinator. Eli loves him for a reason. If Eli didn't like him, he wouldn't be here
open. Can't give up more than FG here with the way our O is playing. Why isn't Trattau playing more? JPP isn't doing anything. Smith is manhandling him.
we could do a LOT worse then him. I personally think the problems start and end with the offensive line and the inability to run. Even if we ignore Wilson's two fumbles....he's getting hit at the LOS or behind it every run. No holes, no one - not even AP - is warping through 2 guys. Even when our OL engages a defense at the line, that defender makes a tackle. that's failure at a basic level.
resiliency
spike : 10:34 pm
this group seriously lacks
Amazing that you came to that conclusion 3 quarters into the season. It's funny that you talk about resiliency, the exact words the Giants used in XLII before they took the field. That team looked like a train wreck first two weeks.
You would think this is the first time a lot of you guys have ever watched the NFL.
about the lack of practices. Maybe he needs to adjust his coaching to the new circumstances, because this team looks like it's woefully underprepared -- and that is very un-Coughlin-like.
but the bounces have been all Dallas. They have had a couple of fumbles that went back to Dallas. Our fumbles right to Dallas. We throw right to a D Lineman and he catches it. They throw and hit a DB in the stomach and it is dropped. Other than the 1 pick we got and couldn't convert from the 1 nothing has gone our way but we played like crap in the preseason and it has carried over.
not the kind where the other team marches up and down the field on you, but the kind when you stop them and force punt and let it fucking hit you in the shoulder, or fumble in the red zone. Or fumble the damn ball again shortly after. I just don't get it. This team is it's own worse enemy. Fucking infuriating!!!
which was just a meaningless game for them, our last three regular season games have been an embarassment. Blown out in Atlanta, blown out in Baltimore, and now in the process of getting smoked here. Very, very disappointing.
think a lot of the problem is that our LBs can't cover anyone. So we have to keep more in the area where underneath routes are thrown. This means they blitz less. Not having a single coverage LB is on Coughlin and Reese. I would just play an extra DB.
What's really killing us is Coughlin's stubbornness. And Gilbride with his insane prediliction to run into the line on every third and short.
I thought Tampa looked like the worst coached team
Coughlin can whine some more about lack of practice but other than Jacksonville no other team has looked as bad. It's not even close. That's on every player and coach.
by pass rush. Kiwi has never shown himself to be a productive player. Tuck hasn't played well in more than 2 years. JPP is not in shape and could end up being a one-year wonder.
Dallas LBs are much too fast for our OL. We should have been throwing our own slants and flanker screens from the beginning. And maybe a reverse. Their speed at blitzing and filling gaps is covering for whatever deficiencies exist on their DL.
in the dictionary has a new accompanying picture.
After it took so long to get the mid-60's thru late 70s NYG OFF the accompanying picture, a return engagement.
JerryR, I luv ya, but
HOW 'BOUT GETTING RID OF THE FATBOYS ON DL FOR SOME WITH PUSH, AND WHILE YOURE AT IT HOW ABOUT SOME PLAYERS WITH SPEED!
believe old man monte kiffin is blitzing so much. I don't remember the Bucs doing that. It was the a 4 man rush, and collision-funnel-sink. Now it's fucking people flying in.
Try blitzing and showing some of that 34 front or big man front with Cullen J. at DE. Do something, Romo has all day.
ytf is herzlich still on this team? He is not very good. You cannot tell me that there is not mlb sitting at home who cannot perform better than him. Why he is still on this team is just mind-boggling.
also aren't going to lose because of the D. They're desperate to make a play. Yes, Herzlich is slow, but he's also not why are going to lose. We are absolutely undisciplined. We have given the Cowboys at least seventeen points. WTF have they done?
I know you have to draft BPA, but because of number's game, not all of those players can make it onto the field. And frankly none of them have really stood out to demand more playing time. So instead we have to watch these rejects filling in at positions of need.
Has it gotten so bad that we actually consider this game as a whole as good defense? No pressure whatsoever the entire night. We had 2 good stops and a pick on the goal line. The rest of the night we've been getting picked apart.
Prince is out, Paysinger had to go off for an IV. JPP understandably is out of condition and Connor is dinged. Add to that the obscene number of snaps they've had to defend and the fucking terrible starting positions they've had and they've done reasonably well. Not getting much pressure but other than that not bad.
trying to hold the ball carrier up and getting their hands on the ball trying to rip a fumble. Worked twice on Wilson. Coaches need to tell guys to be aware of this and get down
get into a Tryout Tuesday tryout? I may be old and small but I think I can get across to sidelines quickly AND make arm tackles.
IF WE'RE 1/2 AS INEPT IN THIS GAME AS WE'VE BEEN, WE'RE WINNING IT. IF NOT INEPT AT ALL WE'RE DESTROYING DALLAS.
JPP out. He isn't doing anything. Ojomo would have been a better option tonight. Go with Trattau. Haven't seen anything from Kiwi aside from his hit on Romo.
Anybody notice that we are kicking the shit out of this team without 5 turnovers? It is a longshot, but this would be an incredible turnaround. Folks down in big D getting antsy watching this now
Eli with taht look on his face. And by "that look" I mean he looks like a little boy who has no idea what he's doing, which usually means he is about to lead a game-winning drive.
Totally agree. I can live with this entire game but for that last call. It is at least a running into the kicker. The punter is following though with his kick. WTF!!!
don't stop these quick low fucking screens im going to lose my fucking mind.
ELI learn to throw a fucking screen pass and get your fucking happy feeet under control
holy shit are you kidding me with this bullshit. why do you always jam a pass in so close so low.
jesus christ i hate that shit. every other QB can throw a normal fucking screen.
ONLY THE GIANTS run these dumb fucking screen type plays. everyone else runs them to the FUCKING OUTSIDE where you get to float the ball over the defender.
jesus christ i hate the coaching staff and their insistence on terribly drawn up shit
I don't want to second guess the play calling
Knineteen : 11:33 pm
but why are they going with a shit play like that when the WRs have been the entire offense tonight?
We failed when we did things that haven't been working, honestly for the past 2 seasons. Like to see the fight, but this is a fucking division game, no room for mistakes.
Nicks, Cruz, Randle, all with 5 receptions for 100 plus. Waste of a game for what's probably the best receiving trio.
we need tough, steady running backs. we already have game breakers at oher positions. Our RBs are just shit. Wilson was a HORRIBLE draft pick. he is a coach killer. Scott is not clutch. They are the worst group of RBs since the Ron Dayne, Sean Bennett year.
jamming a 95 mile an hour ball into RB's at hte LOS in traffic.
he has to learn some fucking touch. but the problem is we run the inside screen like it works. it does not and has not worked well especially when our OL is a completely inept piece of shit right now
Coughlin doghouse. Scott actually played ok for the most part. But what good does benching Wilson do? He's either good enough to start or he's not. The fumbles were awful. But can he give you more than Scott on a per down basis? I'd say yes. So stick with him. You just killed Wilson's confidence even more.
sucks...Eli is only in hurry up when we are down big..
we have weapons..lets use them..now he throws to TE 3 times
down 2 tds...bad coaching gameplanning...thats the play
33 should be doing..Eli threw in a crowd 10 times for 3
ints
yet in some future BBI thread people will be arguing that the Giants offense was amazing this season because they scored 31 points in a game like this.
Trying to put it in Scotts hands during the 2 minute dill? I'm at a loss for words. The guy sucks, he shouldn't be on an NFL roster. As bad as this team looked, we still had a chance to win and our coaching staff, namely Gillbride lost this game for us. Awful.
6 turnovers. They gave Dallas 4 possessions, 2 inside the 20
#notcontrollingtheline
The Giants have got to get better with running their plays smoothly and more in a fluid game plan style. This confusion, penalty, lost looking offense is getting really annoying.
Rogers is beasting so far. This guy has still got it.
first downs... kill clock, score.
We're beating ourselves. Can't stop the slant. Can't get pressure. Good coaching is about making adjustments. Let's see what Coughlin and Fewell do. This game can still be won. Or we can continue to beat ourselves.
filled in by ross
buying time, hurt ribs?
I kid.
Romo does look like a rag doll.
A draw play on 2nd down.
Time to bring in Scott.
Sit. His. Ass.
Make that trade for Ingram or call up Jacobs
Christ already
he's done
Just Had them fucking points .
Fuck it put the Rookie in ...
We have four turnovers. The best you can say is that the D has played well. Hopefully, we'll get this cleaned up by next week.
Here's the problem. Wilson now has a fumbling reputation so everyone is going to be going after the ball. That is going to affect his running style.
What the fuck... Call derrick wards crazy ass
Oh. Wait.
obviously TC was correct
David Wilson ... you did not stink, YOU SUCK !!
I didn't like this pick when he was drafted, and it's getting harder and harder to like him as a #1 back...
Media loves when the Giants lose and can't wait to broadcast it why get upset
Coughliincan whine about lack of practice and the new rules but he has the same deal as every other coach. Just totally sad how the team just looks totally unprepared.
Or BBI will chip in for a Barber appearance at your house.
This team is about 3-4 weeks behind.
We went a long time not drafting a RB in first, better a LB???
wtf is with this team?
Like I said again NY Giants if y'all want me to come work with David Wilson on holding on to the ball let me know. 2 fumbles 2nite
30?
This is the same shit over and over. I want to blame the O-line but these guys are what they are. They are giving us their effort, they just are not good enough. Same with the LBs.
Collinsworth is shit
That's 14 turnovers in 6 games. Last year Dallas had 16 turnovers in 16 games.
That's an improvement.
meet the new boss...
Guess that makes sense to only Gilbride.
i would challenge
a play action pass would have been an automatic TD.
lets go killdrive you are the absolute worst
and toss plays with power backs
Down 10, I rather have Darrell Scott touching it 66% of the time on a drive.
not one sustained drive
I'm more worried about Prince being unavailable. If Peyton getws us without Prince, holy shit. 0-2.
Not all that difficult to figure out.
But that's asking a lot.
Romo looks like he is walking very gingerly.
REALLY?!
Just ONCE, I want to hear that guy say that we didn't
damn drive together .
Hands to the face rips the guys helmet off no call .
Lousy spot he was short but not that much .
This is a shit show beyond what any fan should reasonably expect.
please god just let Eli run the 2 minute drill all game.
Its plays like that the kill the defense.
Step 2: rush four down lineman
Step 3: cross fingers
But, there's legitimate reason to wonder if the Giants have made their share of personnel mistakes.
we could do a LOT worse then him. I personally think the problems start and end with the offensive line and the inability to run. Even if we ignore Wilson's two fumbles....he's getting hit at the LOS or behind it every run. No holes, no one - not even AP - is warping through 2 guys. Even when our OL engages a defense at the line, that defender makes a tackle. that's failure at a basic level.
LMAO THIS TEAM IS SO DUMB
is that a 5th turnover? for fuck sakes
how can they be this bad??????????????????????
This is the worst game I have ever watched. Embarrassing.
Goodnight
Not this time.
of course they wont overturn this though.
Same shit d on 3rd down
Turnovers non stop
Cant convert 3rd and short ever
Redzone offense sucks
This teams cieling is 8 wins
What a night.
spike : 10:34 pm
this group seriously lacks
Amazing that you came to that conclusion 3 quarters into the season. It's funny that you talk about resiliency, the exact words the Giants used in XLII before they took the field. That team looked like a train wreck first two weeks.
You would think this is the first time a lot of you guys have ever watched the NFL.
At least they showed up.
Totally unprepared. Calling the effort pathetic would be kind.
This could be a really bad season.
I waited all day for this crap?
Just not one of the league's better teams.
4 man rush a thing of beauty.
I mean Chris Christie in a dress.
we are one very long cruz TD away from this being an absolute curb stomping
Can't wait for the next moron on specials or the offense to turn the ball over.
map7711 : 10:36 pm
Have to
... Uh... Defense you're needed right away again!
No permanent conclusions off one game, but I can't remember when I've seen worse coaching. This team isn't prepared. At all. That's on Coughlin.
they cant possibly be this bad of a team
5 to's, no pass rush, terrible o line play and the starting RB is a headcase
Denver will score 100 next week
Yet it's our running backs and special teams that are losing us this game.
Just throw the damn ball. Eli's gonna have to have 40 plus pass attempts a game this year.
Now down by 17. Time for the hurry up
Yeah...that oughtta work.
No pressure, nobody covering Witten, and 3rd down conversions left and right.
What's really killing us is Coughlin's stubbornness. And Gilbride with his insane prediliction to run into the line on every third and short.
Seriously. It's not even the 4th quarter.
Coughlin can whine some more about lack of practice but other than Jacksonville no other team has looked as bad. It's not even close. That's on every player and coach.
Ok. Weatherford gets a pass.
And I wish Hyno well after he is released tomorrow.
5 turnovers, 1 quick score and no actual drives.
good deal
Pas pass pass
Their going LT looks good
Their going LT looks good
Knee of Theismann : 10:40 pm
that JPP was not a one year wonder.
LOL at this u know he just went to a back surgery and this is just the 1st fucking game of the season OMG
Where is our pass rush and blitz packages? Didn't we have a 3-4 front we were toying with?
He is sorely missed. smh
After it took so long to get the mid-60's thru late 70s NYG OFF the accompanying picture, a return engagement.
JerryR, I luv ya, but
HOW 'BOUT GETTING RID OF THE FATBOYS ON DL FOR SOME WITH PUSH, AND WHILE YOURE AT IT HOW ABOUT SOME PLAYERS WITH SPEED!
Don't know about Salsa'ing there though...
Let's go!
Let's win this fugly game.
Wilson will get back in there next week, but fuck put him on punt return....kidding mostly.
Try blitzing and showing some of that 34 front or big man front with Cullen J. at DE. Do something, Romo has all day.
10 plays 40 yards
14 plays for 60 yards
9 plays for 71 yards
7 plays for 25 yards
3 plays for 3 yards
2 plays for 16 yards (TD)
Lets not act like our defense is dominant. Sometimes you need to make stops, and make them quickly.
if our D can stop Romo...Eli can score....Fewell will you
send someone on a blitz and hurt Romo
b) the way JPP is playing scares me.
c) wow kiwi - you've got to be able to get off a block
MookGiants : 10:57 pm
finally makes a play
He did have an INT.
gmenatlarge : 11:00 pm
is unable to respond when Eli has gotten us almost into the game
Need to go uptempo here, we need all the points we can get.
Randle is good.
Forget the balanced attack
We should be winning this game if not for our stupid mistakes.
3 TDs!
IF WE'RE 1/2 AS INEPT IN THIS GAME AS WE'VE BEEN, WE'RE WINNING IT. IF NOT INEPT AT ALL WE'RE DESTROYING DALLAS.
TD GIANTS!
Eli has played very well lately.
Let's do this! Tons of time.
Defense let's get one stop. They can't stop our pass attack.
When Cruz and Nicks are on, our aerial attack is preposterous.
If the can hold up and Wilson pulls his head out of his ass, this could be our best offense in the Eli era.
youre -6 with 9 to go...find a way.
just wow
but our nemesis awaits....
THIRD AND LONG...
please guys pleeeeaseee
Finally a sack.
Big play time.
come on eli
come on you got this
dis gun b gud
This sucks. If you read about a school bus crashing in upstate NY, it's probably me.
Link - ( New Window )
Good lord...
get the guys in the middle.
HOW IS THERE NO FLAG???
what a fucking horse shit call
He didn't swing shit!
fucking refs are fucking raping us right now. wat a joke god damnit
wow
The offense and ST lost this game. Not the defense. They gave up thirteen points, and were in a hole most of the night.
cover Witten!
game ever
Signed,
-jcn
Now is the best time for an ED ad.
2 mins left, Eli's time to shine. The only thing that can screw us is a tipped interception. We got this!
2 minutes to glory.
Come on send these fuckers home sad again
Please God, don't leave such a thing to my imagination.
This is BS.
Tipped INT it is..
HOLY FUCKING SHIT U COCK SUCKER
Randle>Manningham
LikeToSaySALSA : 11:29 pm
JPP's sack dance could have been so costly.
2 mins left, Eli's time to shine. The only thing that can screw us is a tipped interception. We got this!
SIX turnovers
2 TDs and we win.
Good god, this was a disgrace that we should have won.
ELI learn to throw a fucking screen pass and get your fucking happy feeet under control
holy shit are you kidding me with this bullshit. why do you always jam a pass in so close so low.
jesus christ i hate that shit. every other QB can throw a normal fucking screen.
ONLY THE GIANTS run these dumb fucking screen type plays. everyone else runs them to the FUCKING OUTSIDE where you get to float the ball over the defender.
jesus christ i hate the coaching staff and their insistence on terribly drawn up shit
Giants can sign four other RB's tomorrow that are better.
STOP RELYING ON SHIT PLAYERS. RELY ON NICKS, CRUZ, AND RANDLE.
A goddamn screen in crunch time to your 3rd string RB. THE PLAY IS NOT AN OPTION.
Knineteen : 11:33 pm
but why are they going with a shit play like that when the WRs have been the entire offense tonight?
Poor OL.
Weak LBs.
Good night.
Nicks, Cruz, Randle, all with 5 receptions for 100 plus. Waste of a game for what's probably the best receiving trio.
They blitzed, Scott did not make the adjustment
he had all day. i just watxhed tivo replay in slow mo. no one was pressuring him at all.
scott was clearly looking the wrong way.
it was just a terrible decision by eli
he has to learn some fucking touch. but the problem is we run the inside screen like it works. it does not and has not worked well especially when our OL is a completely inept piece of shit right now
Just my opinion.
we have weapons..lets use them..now he throws to TE 3 times
down 2 tds...bad coaching gameplanning...thats the play
33 should be doing..Eli threw in a crowd 10 times for 3
ints