I have no idea where the Giants will be drafting, but let's say they are in position to draft a stud LT and do it. Where do Beatty and Pugh line up when the draftee is ready to line up at LT?
Please. Don't kill me for asking a draft question in September. Yesterday was difficult on each of us.
The irony in that is that NYG would have basically drafted a G at 19, which is a no-no according to many here.
The irony in that is that NYG would have basically drafted a G at 19, which is a no-no according to many here.
You draft a stud LT if you can, and in that situation try and see if Beatty can transition to RT. But I have my doubts. He doesn't have the frame to be the mauler you need at RT.
I'd go after a mauler at RT in the draft, and get a guard in FA. The line would then be:
Beatty, Brewer, Pugh, Mosley/FA, high draft pick.
It's 2013 and there's at least a decent chance there's going to be a coaching staff turnover.
Different scheme, different uses of personnel, perhaps.
1. Jake Matthews Texas A&M
2. Taylor Lewman Michigan
3. Antonio Richardson Tennessee
5. Cyrus Kouandjio Bama
Jake Matthews (6'5/308)
Cyrus Kouandjio (6'5 310)
Taylor Lewan (6'7 315)
Not sure Beatty is a RT, due to the fact he is not a great run blocker, and do you draft a RT high? (let's say top 10)...Seems like all 3 above are LTs...
Then there is Pugh, does he end up at G? Again, not a mauler. This team needs some meat up front. If so, we just drafted a 300lb G in the first round.
It's an interesting discussion, regardless if we go 4-12 or 7-9.
How would he reach the ball with those short arms!
Hay oh!!!!!!
If we perform so poorly the rest of the way that we end up with a top 10 pick and take one of the premier left tackles, then we're left with a few options.
- If we draft Kouandjio, Matthews, or Lewan with the intention of plugging them in at left tackle for the next decade or so, then Beatty will instantly become the highest-paid right tackle in the NFL. The rookie wage scale would help lessen the blow since we'd be able to lock up one of those three at a very fair price for four years. But it's still not an optimal situation because of the money owed to Beatty through 2016 from a salary cap inefficiency standpoint (dramatic overcompensation for a starting RT).
- If Beatty ends up bouncing back and we end up with a top 10 pick in a draft that will likely be loaded with blue-chip talent, would it be wise to take a prospect who would be plugged in at right tackle for the foreseeable future instead of a potential impact defensive player at a more premium position? Depending on where our record stands at the end of the year, we could be in position for someone like Clowney (very unlikely) or Barr (also very unlikely) given how helpless we've looked thus far (worst point-differential in NFC, 2nd worst in the NFL).
- One of the more important aspects of our team to keep an eye on through the next 13 games is Pugh's development at right tackle. His versatility was lauded before the draft because of the belief that he could play any position along the line. But if he progresses to the point where we'd feel comfortable projecting him as a solid starter at right tackle for years to come, would you want to risk having him change positions to accommodate another player? Versatility was one of the more appealing aspects of drafting Pugh at No. 19 this past year, but preferably he'll be allowed to settle in at one spot early in his career.
- If we end up just outside of the top 10, then we could always trade down, acquire more picks, and address the line in the mid-late 1st. Erving, Richardson, and Hurst are among the tackles who could merit consideration in that area of the draft, while guys like Yankey and Richardson look like first-round talents at guard.
We've got to make the OL a strength again or else we're fucked. Of course, we could draft one OL and sign another one or two in FA, but who knows how the extensions to Baas and Snee have affected our cap and ability to do so next offseason?
Beatty got 19 mil guaranteed and 12.5 up front. If he continues to play like he did then after next year his dead money would be 1/3 of the bonus I assume. Optimus or one of the other cap savvy people here can correct me. Heck. If people are willing to cut Baas with a cap hit over 5 million 4 million isn't unheard of if he can't cut it.
It's similar to KC where Albert is going to be gone after a year. Granted it doesn't cost KC any dead money but he was a former 1st rounder who, I believe they will let walk.
Take that stud LT. Let him play RT next year and if Beatty keeps stinkin up the place put him at RT in 2015. You can always cut him after training camp and save some money as an after July 1 cut too. Again I will defer to cap smart others but you don't pass on a potential stud LT for Beatty whose play is not nearly as good as people think. And that's been said way before yesterday's shitfest.
And here's Beatty's contract figures:
William Beatty at OverTheCap.com - ( New Window )
Beatty I could see bing gone after 2015. That's so far in advance we do to even know if TC will still be around then truthfully. New coach could mean new offense. Does his skill set still fit. Also if the Giants do get a top 10 pick there may certainly be that top tier LT available when the Giants are up.
Who knows but I agree. Baas is going no where regardless of his play sadly until after next year.
The bottom line is this OL is a disaster. I don't like the idea of playing or keeping players because of bad contracts. I feel like is one of the problems wih this team.
There is absolutely no doubt he needs to beef up, and he should with an NFL weight training program. His short arms absolutely came into play this weekend when he was getting bullrushed and the defender got on him and controlled him with ease.
I actually just had this convo with a friend yesterday. I said if we were in like a top 5 position I'd prefer a guy like Barr in the first, and an OT or elite Guard in the 2nd.
If I had my wish depending on where the Giants pick I'd take LB's Ryan Shazier or CJ Mosley before an O-lineman because it's a good class and I think there will be Day 1 starters in the 2nd rd. But considering the situation I wouldn't be mad either. Either way both positions MUST be addressed.
I get it, he is Giants royalty. Flaherty guys have had some great years, some good years, bad and some downright awful years. But I can't believe that everyone we are now bringing in is not capable of developing into a decent lineman. And the schemes, the blocking schemes haven't changed much at all over the years. No adjustments for speed and edge rushers other than throw a tiny halfback back there to try to help out the tackles. The game has changed but I'm not so sure if the talent on the field is only thing that we need to think about changing to keep up.
beatty- left tackle
mosley - tackle
pugh - left tackle type, quick, good balance not a mauler
brewer- tackle but a shitty one
++++++++++++
Guards
snee- toasted
boothe- decent guard or was past few years
baas- might play some guard but sucks
herman- unknown
so...basically, we only have one current and proven guard on the entire roster?