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NFT: UFC 166: Velasquez vs. dos Santos III

Matt G : 10/16/2013 9:23 am

Date: October 19, 2013
Location: Houston, Texas
Venue: Toyota Center
Broadcast: PPV, FOX Sports 1, Facebook


MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Cain Velasquez vs Junior dos Santos – TKO
Despite the lopsided nature of the first two fights, this will likely go down as one of the great trilogies in MMA. Cain and JDS are head and shoulders above the rest of the HW division, so it’s not entirely out of the question that they end up facing one another again. JDS has great takedown defense and is very strong, but he’s going to have to catch Cain early again, because he won’t be able to handle the pace and pressure. I don’t think anyone can at this point. Much like their second fight, expect Cain to relentlessly close the distance and go for takedowns until JDS begins to fade. I thought Rogan was accurate in his assessment Cain could have finished JDS in RD2 if he had pushed him off and traded with him. JDS just wasn’t there anymore after being dropped in RD1. JDS looks in phenomenal shape and he’s arguably the most powerful striker in MMA, but I expect this fight to go much like their last. This time Cain finishes him inside RD4.

Daniel Cormier vs. Roy Nelson – Decision
Both these guys should be LHWs and it looks like Cormier is committed to dropping down permanently after this fight. This is a big fight for both guys. Nelson suffered a setback taking a short notice fight against Miocic. Nelson wants big fights but he hasn’t answered the bell when he’s had his opportunities (Arlovski, JDS, Mir, Werdum). I’m interested to see if Cormier comes in & lt;230lbs and if he still looks light on his feet. He’s gotta be careful trading with Big Country, because he has an iron chin and can KO anyone. But I expect Cormier to use the clinch, dirty boxing, TDs and GNP to grind out a decision.

Gilbert Melendez vs. Diego Sanchez - Decision
Two guys with the heart of a lion. This has “Fight of the Night” written all over it. Diego should get back to his wrestling roots if he wants to win this fight, but more than likely he will stand and trade with Gilbert. Melendez is too technical and will pick him apart.

Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Shawn Jordan – Submission
It’s tough not to be impressed by Shawn Jordan’s last two wins over Mike Russow and Pat Barry. He’s an excellent athlete with heavy hands and seems to be improving with each performance. Needs to stay away from Gonzaga on the ground.

John Dodson vs. Darrell Montague – TKO

PRELIMINARY CARD (FOX Sports 1, 8 p.m. ET)
Tim Boetsch vs. C.B. Dollaway – TKO
Hector Lombard vs. Nate Marquardt – KO
Jessica Eye vs. Sarah Kaufman
K.J. Noons vs. George Sotiropoulos - Decision

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 6 p.m. ET)
Adlan Amagov vs. T.J. Waldburger
Tony Ferguson vs. Mike Rio
Andre Fili vs. Jeremy Larsen
Kyogi Horiguchi vs. Dustin Pague
Weigh-in results  
Matt G : 10/19/2013 8:27 am : link
Cain Velasquez (241) vs. Junior dos Santos (240)


Daniel Cormier (224) vs. Roy Nelson (249)


Gilbert Melendez (156) vs. Diego Sanchez (156)


Gabriel Gonzaga (257) vs. Shawn Jordan (255)


John Dodson (125) vs. Darrell Montague (126)


Tim Boetsch (186) vs. C.B. Dollaway (186)


Nate Marquardt (171) vs. Hector Lombard (169)


Sarah Kaufman (135) vs. Jessica Eye (135)


George Sotiropoulos (155) vs. K.J. Noons (156)


Adlan Amagov (171) vs. T.J. Waldburger (170.5)


Tony Ferguson (155) vs. Mike Rio (156)


Jeremy Larsen (145.5) vs. Andre Fili (148.5)*


Dustin Pague (135) vs. Kyogi Horiguchi (135)
Lombard is going to lose.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/19/2013 9:17 am : link
He's not bullying Nate. He's a real asshole and thats pretty much his game and how he was so dominant in Bellator. Tried to start a fight with an old training partner of mine when he moved to ATT for no reason.

I bet he gets subbed after he gasses.

Cain should win. Love him and JDS both. A pleasure to watch these guys fight every time.

Would love to see Nelson try some BJJ on Cormier, but he's fallen in love with that overhand right. Simialr to Hendo and doesn't use his other skills enough to pressure guys. Cormier isn't going to gas either. Cormier should win this but who knows w Roy. he certainly has a punchers chance.

Gonzaga is a cypher. Hope Jordan wins ans HW needs new blood badly.

Melendez should win. Diego is a better version of Leonard Garcia. Comes to fight but really isn't good enough for the top guys.
Oh btw wow Hector  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/19/2013 9:18 am : link
you really dropped your Test and HGH intake.
Cormier looks really good...  
Matt G : 10/19/2013 9:37 am : link
They initially called his weight at 244, which was disappointing, but they corrected it at 224... Sounds like he's cleaned up his diet in anticipation of the move to LHW... He was already pretty quick for his size, so I'm curious to see how he looks...

LM, I hear ya on Lombard, but the guy he's fighting has been busted for elevated testosterone levels multiple times as well... Nate the Great's no choir boy...

BTW, any thoughts on Palhares getting cut? Good riddance, IMO... The incident at ADCC a few years ago was even worse than this one... Guy is a real dirtbag...
Hey Matt.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/19/2013 7:21 pm : link
Oh Nate is a TRT guy too but looking at what Lombard looks like now it made m,e laugh out loud. Plus as I said, I know he personally went after a good friend for nothing just to be a dick and try and show what a tough guy he is.

As far as Palharehes he reminds me of a guy who got kicked out of our academy. Nice guy off the mats but when they go they zone out and hurt guys. Pierce's knee is fucked now. One of my buddies timed it. It was only like 2 seconds between the tap and the release but A LOT can happen to that knee on a heel hook. Its why only top level matches allow in in BJJ.

I'm purple belt and we can only do straight foot locks in competition. No toe holds or knee bars. IMO the UFC doesn't think palhares is all that great and since this is second offense I think they decided to cut bait. He not good enough to challence at 170 so why risk other entertaining fighters i guess.

Cormier looks really good. He can easily hit 205.
Prelims pretty solid so far...  
Matt G : 10/19/2013 7:36 pm : link
Adlan Amagov is a beast... wow!
Diego Sanchez  
Matt G : 10/19/2013 11:08 pm : link
Has more heart than any fighter I've ever seen... Likely to his own detriment, but my goodness...
That's a hell of a gash  
sb2003 : 10/19/2013 11:14 pm : link
over the left eye of Diego.
dos Santos taking it as far as he did was a feat...  
Dunedin81 : 10/20/2013 12:52 am : link
Velasquez owned him almost from start to finish, that fight could have ended in Round 2.
JDS had Cain rocked a few times...  
Matt G : 10/20/2013 1:18 am : link
Yet Cain put yet another brutal beating on JDS... Herb Dean probably should have followed through with his RD3 stoppage...
JDS is stuck behind a freak.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2013 1:19 am : link
He's the 2nd best HW by far but Cain owns him. Pretty solid card.
dos Santos may punch well  
chris r : 10/20/2013 1:24 am : link
but he shows really poor understanding of angles and ring generalship. He always went backwards when Cain came in, instead of side stepping and circling to stay in the center of the ring where he could use his standup. Cain just puts his head down and barrels in, more lateral movement would have opened up angles for Dos Santos.
chris r watch CIgano's other fights.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2013 8:18 am : link
Sure he could circle forever but Velasquez is able to able to cut the ring down.

JDS will fight 2 or 3 more times and win but he's not beating Cain and find me another guy who will. Werdum next in line but he's got no stand up and Cain is going to be all over him.
Cain will hold the HW strap for a long time...  
Matt G : 10/20/2013 8:56 am : link
Particularly with JDS out of the picture for a while... In fairness to Werdum, his stand-up has improved quite a bit since his loss to Overeem and Cain would need to be very careful if its goes to the ground... After Werdum, you are probably looking at the winner of Browne vs Barnett as next in-line for a title shot...

I feel bad for JDS as this loss leaves him in no man's land for quite a while... He's way too big to go down... And they are unlikely to let him keep picking off contenders before they get to Cain...
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Matt G : 10/20/2013 9:11 am : link



Werdum is much  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2013 9:28 am : link
better on his feet than before but he's not dangerous there. On the ground he's a nightmare. IMO Cain would be nuts to stay on the ground with him.
the problem  
area junc : 10/20/2013 10:25 am : link
with cain is he does a lot of what dana hates.....press up against the cage and not a whole lot else

and u watch the other guy die by paper cuts

he is a great fighter, no question, but thats not the style of fight the ufc wants .... very randy couture-like in that way
Jon Jones  
ligmen : 10/20/2013 12:08 pm : link
Hopefully he beats glover and gust again.

Then fights Anderson, should he beat silva or moves up to fight Cain.

Cain vs Bones is now the marquee super fight.

I want Phil Davis to welcome Cormier to light heavyweight.
ligmen ZERO chance Anderson  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2013 12:29 pm : link
fights Jones IMO. Jones is way to big and Anderson as much as he certainly is in the GOAT category isn t the fighter he was 4-5 years ago. 100% if he loses to Weidman.

Cormier is the next one for Jones. Love Glover and he's a great fighter but he's too slow for Bones. Cormier is vastly superior to Jones w his wrestling and he's already shown he can get inside of big guys. That's the fight we will see sooner than later.

Weidman might also be a guy who can make the jump up if he remains dominant for a year or more w another win over Anderson and then a title defense or two. He's a big Middle weight and with his wrestling pedigree is another guy who can bring it to Jones.

Cain finishes plenty of fights. Just not agains JDS because he respects his power and stand up enough to never want to give him any space. Boring in a way but can't blame him. I expect him to finish Werdum w GNP similar to what he did to Bigfoot. He's too fast and too smart to stay on the mat for that fight.

No one is touching Cain for a while unless its another flash knockout like his loss to JDS.
area junc  
Matt G : 10/20/2013 2:04 pm : link
I think you are misinterpreting... Dana complains about the guys who "wrestle f*ck" but do very little damage to their opponent and ride out a decision on points... Cain Velasquez has more finishes than any HW in UFC history... He may not have finished JDS in their last fight, but he put the kind of beating on him which sadly shorten a guy's career if not life expectancy... You dont get your face rearranced like JDS did from "papercuts"... Cain's last four fights vs JDS and Bigfoot have looked like a damn horrror show... He is one of their biggest superstars in their biggeat division and he finishes just about every fight... The UFC has no complaints whatsoever about Cain's fightstyle...
Jon Jones has hands full at LHW...  
Matt G : 10/20/2013 2:19 pm : link
He's not fighting any more blown up MWs (Shogun, Rashad, Machida, Vitor, Chael)... He has a brutal guantlet of Glover, Gustaffson, Cormier and Phil Davis on deck...

IMO, JDS and Cain beat Jones to a pulp... I dont expecy that he wants any part of that...
Matt G. Exactly.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/20/2013 8:07 pm : link
Gus gave him enough issues where fighting big guys like JDS and Cain are better and bigger versions of Gus.
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