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How good was Jason Sehorn pre-injury?

CMicks3110 : 11/21/2013 9:46 pm
I've heard he had ungodly athleticism, but can someone describe just how talented he was?
Closest  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 9:48 pm : link
thing to a shut down corner I've seen in a Giants uniform.

no legend either, he was legit.
Had the total package  
Aaron in MA : 11/21/2013 9:51 pm : link
A physical, willing tackler. Had the speed and feet to stay with the small guys and the size to handle the bigger ones.

A total ballhawk too. Could go get and do something with, which is a talent he retained after the injury.

Could have been one of the greats.
I sat in the second row of the end zone...  
Chris in Philly : 11/21/2013 9:52 pm : link
of the Vet watching a Giants-Eagles game. There was a play on the far side of the field and he sprinted all the way across the field to make the play. But it wasn't what he did it was how he did it. My buddy and I looked at each other and both said that it was the fastest we had ever seen a human move. It was breathtaking.

Now go watch his interception against the Eagles in the 2000 playoffs. That was AFTER his injury.

He was an absolute freak. His teammates called him Species.
best interception  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 9:55 pm : link
I've ever seen.

Best player on the team  
old timer : 11/21/2013 10:00 pm : link
As Fassel said, "I'm an idiot if he gets hurt returning kicks." History has proven Fassel to be an idiot.
HoF  
MotownGIANTS : 11/21/2013 10:01 pm : link
If the injury doesnt happen
was he better than Revis?  
CMicks3110 : 11/21/2013 10:01 pm : link
....
I don't think so  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 10:03 pm : link
that he was better than Revis, but he was pretty close.



He was great yet had a strange personality  
Giants2012 : 11/21/2013 10:05 pm : link
Sehorn was a huge corner, physical, agile corner with great insticts, etc.

Upon his injury on the kickoff return against the Jets, Giants nation was 100 low. Meanwhile, the interview with Sehorn was awkwardly positive. He wasn't down at all. I thought "wow, was a positive guy"

Well, as the years went by, he became more and more awkward. Those attending Giants games at the stadium noticed how Sehorn often never joined the defense in the huddle during TV timeouts. The whole defense would be in a huddle or just hanging together while ME-HORN stood alone about 20 yards away. This happened often.

Once retired, his arrogance in front of the camera was obvious.

Was a Great player for a short time and a ME-Horn for a lot longer.
My favorite Giant ever  
Kyle in NY : 11/21/2013 10:06 pm : link
I was one devastated kid when he got hurt. He played at a legitimate all-pro level in '97
Frickin  
fred44 : 11/21/2013 10:08 pm : link
Fassel.....
# 31 Great guy an awsome talent, thank you USC!  
NYGBlue42 : 11/21/2013 10:08 pm : link
Got him to sign my Sehorn jersey back in 2000.
He was different than Revis...  
Chris in Philly : 11/21/2013 10:08 pm : link
He was an astonishing athlete. He could play baseball, he ran track, he could play offense and defense, he was one of a kind.
CMicks  
SLIM : 11/21/2013 10:11 pm : link
Revis is an excellent player who somehow gets away with murder in regards to how much he holds. Sehorn, while being a physical corner in the run game would stay more stride for stride with people. He was a willing but not great tackler. He got hurt returning his only kick but you could see just on that return and with the natural skills he had, would've been a great kick returner also. Amazing athlete.
When people talk about pre-injury Sehorn..  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:11 pm : link
..and how good he was, they're not exaggerating. He was the absolute real deal.

He still went on to have some solid years after '98.. but he was never the same guy.
that interception against the Eagles was after  
Essex : 11/21/2013 10:11 pm : link
the knee surgery.
He was my favorite player on those teams, as well.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/21/2013 10:11 pm : link
I was at the Giants/Jets pre-season game he got hurt at. It was a Jets home game, but the crowd was pretty close to 50/50. Looking around at all the Giants fans faces, all of us were pretty devastated and shocked that it happened. I was only 15 at the time, and I still remember that moment like it was yesterday.
He was a Patrick Peterson level athlete  
chris r : 11/21/2013 10:12 pm : link
but was probably better than PP is now.
Also..  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:12 pm : link
I miss when the Eagle WR's were Charles Johnson and Torrance Small.

He was different than Revis  
Giants2012 : 11/21/2013 10:12 pm : link
Sehorn was 6'2 and almost 215lbs.
and a nicer guy in person,  
SHO'NUFF : 11/21/2013 10:16 pm : link
after his career...not sure what Giants2012 is talking about.
Am I the only one who thinks Revis  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 10:17 pm : link
is overrated?
He  
mitch300 : 11/21/2013 10:17 pm : link
Also married a hot chick.
If you're talking about Tampa Bay Revis, maybe not.  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:18 pm : link
But pre-ACL Revis was the best CB of this era and one of the better CB's to ever play the game. Absolutely not overrated. He was as legit a shutdown corner as you'll see.
Matt  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 10:19 pm : link
yes, probably. I'm not sure now how Revis is, post ACL surgery.

But in the past whatever # of years Revis was matched up man vs the best receivers in the NFL. Larry Fitzgerald (with Warner), Andre Johnson, etc. and took them all completely out of the game week in week out.

if you don't consider Revis among the best cornerbacks you have ever seen, then you are underrating him.
What about the onside kick he ran back  
NYGBlue42 : 11/21/2013 10:22 pm : link
against Coughlins Jaguars for a touchdown,in the shut up Fred Taylor game.
arcar, pjac  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 10:26 pm : link
I agree he was excellent. But, he also gets away with more contact for a DB in a WR/QB friendly era. It's ridiculous. Right off the top of my head, when the term best CB comes up, I go to Darryl Green, Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson and a few others first. Hell, even with his lack of tackling, Deion was worlds better than Revis.
I was at the 1997 playofff game against Minnesota  
marbles : 11/21/2013 10:26 pm : link
(It was that brutal loss, where everything went wrong late including an onsides kick). Anyway, he made an interception on Randal Cunningham where he jumped, spun in the air and made the play. Just spectacular.
Matt  
SLIM : 11/21/2013 10:28 pm : link
See my post. It is amazing how much Revis gets away with. I can't really judge him against the all time greats as he seems to be able to play by 1970's rules.
One thing I'll say about Darrell Green..  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:30 pm : link
That dude was probably the fastest player I've ever seen in my life. Holy shit he was fast.

James Jett was insanely fast, too. But outside of him, I can't recall ever seeing a player as fast as Green was.
I loved the guy  
Montreal Man : 11/21/2013 10:32 pm : link
Saw him make a pick right in front of me on a long ball in a Dallas game. Forget who the wideout was, but he was stride for stride with the guy and just hauled it in. Gives me the chills just remembering it. What a shame he was injured.
So let me get this straight  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 10:33 pm : link
this era is more QB/WR friendly, so the fact that Revis is a legit shut-down corner in an offensively skewed era counts against him?

Wouldn't it be the opposite?
I remember a game against Dallas  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/21/2013 10:38 pm : link
Sehorn was on Irvin and fell down in coverage 20+ yards down field. Aikman released the ball and i swore Sehorn was 10 yards beat. He got back up and pole vaulted off of his massive penis launching himself 15 feet in the air. He then nabbed the ball at its highest point, fell down and broke his fall on Tito Wooten. Got right back up and returned it back to the Dallas 23
pjcas  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 10:40 pm : link
No, because the point is this is an era where almost no contact by a DB is tolerated, yet he is allowed to grab a WR all the way down the field all game long.
Matt...  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:41 pm : link
That makes no sense at all.

It is HARDER to defend the pass with the rule changes now than it used to be. How did Revis have it easier than DB's in the past who were able to make a hell of a lot more contact?
arcar  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 10:44 pm : link
I think he is great, but not as good as a number of all time greats. And yes, though admittedly biased, I think I would take Sehorn in his prime over Revis. My point, though, about what he is allowed to get away with on a week in week out basis is that it makes it impossible to compare him to other CBs in his own era.
So he plays by a separate set of rules from the other CB's in this era  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:46 pm : link
?
I think Sehorn was phenomenal  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 10:47 pm : link
and who knows if he didn't get hurt maybe a hall-of-famer. he was that good.

but anyone who tells you'd they take Sehorn in his prime over Revis is 100% a Giants fan.
And I don't  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 10:48 pm : link
see the "Michael Jordan" effect with Revis, at least I didn't when he was on the Jets. he was just that good.
Deion was as fast as Darrell Green  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2013 10:53 pm : link
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There is no way  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/21/2013 10:54 pm : link
Sehorn was better than Revis. And he wasn't a Patrick Peterson level prospect either. He was a very good corner, a great athlete, probably no better than the 4th best player on that 97 Giant D that was awesome. Prime Strahan, prime Keith Hamilton, prime Armstead. That 97 team had more sacks than the 07 Giant team and had a beastly front 7.

When Sehorn came back from the injury, he was still very good. But people focus too much on the ACL as the reason for his decline. He kept having various other injury issues after his comeback, and the talent in the front 7 deteriorated, which obviously effected him. That 1997 front 7 was off the charts good

He remained an awesome athlete even after the injury. I recall every offseason when NBC used to have those silly athletic competitions with NFL players, Jason Sehorn was competing in and winning those events multiple times
pjcas  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 10:54 pm : link
I was actually just about to post that it is almost the Michael Jordan affect. Not quite, but almost. The thing I hate about this type of argument is that it comes across as me knocking Revis. I do think he is great. I just don't think he is even in the top 5 of all time, whereas a lot of people are calling him the best ever.

As for his time with the Jets, I do go back to that affect. There were some individual games where an opposing DB got flagged for what seemed to be incidental contact on critical plays and afterwards, Revis essentially mugged the receiver to no flag.
How was he not a Patrick Peterson level athlete?  
chris r : 11/21/2013 10:57 pm : link
He was the same size, ran a 4.37 and was incredibly fluid, probably more so than Patrick Peterson.
Green was a little faster than Deion.  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 10:57 pm : link
Green could still run a 4.4 at age 50. He was insanely fast.
Marshall  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 10:58 pm : link
Where I think Revis is slightly overrated, I think Sehorn was slightly underrated by the media during his time. Too much focus was made about a white CB, instead of recognizing that he was one of the top 5 CBs in the league at the time.

And to think that as good as he was as a CB, he was almost that bad as a FS, which was what he was drafted as. He initially lined up his first camp as a FS and was getting shredded every day. Thank G-d, they converted him to a CB right away.
I remember watching the team run suicides in Albany  
chris r : 11/21/2013 10:58 pm : link
Sehorn changed direction at the end of each run faster than any player on the team. He was a remarkable athlete, skin color aside.
Greg  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 11:00 pm : link
Are you sure about that? Green, for almost his entire career, was billed as the fastest player in the NFL. He had ungodly speed even at the end of his career. It wasn't fair how good he was. In my time, watching since the 80s, he was the best CB I've ever seen.
Marshall  
Matt M. : 11/21/2013 11:01 pm : link
And, I agree with you about the 97 D. That was one of my favorite Giant defenses. I absolutely loved Armstead. They missed him for several years after he left.
chris r  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/21/2013 11:02 pm : link
I think youve got it completely wrong. The difference between them is he was absolutely not as fluid as Patrick Peterson. Patrick Peterson has freak Change of direction skills and is even faster than Sehorn straight line. This is a guy who set a record for punt return TDs in a season, and he did it as a rookie. This is a guy who can and does work in at WR.
Sehorn's  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2013 11:04 pm : link
problem with national acclaim was obviously longevity. he had one or two elite seasons then was simply good post-injury, until the sadness of 2002. Watching him abused by Terrell Owens in the 2002 playoff game was one of the low points of my football fandom.



He was tall, fast, strong, with very good cover skills  
Ira : 11/21/2013 11:08 pm : link
and very good hands. He was a superb all around athlete winning the Superstars competition for three consecutive years.
MoM - completely wrong? You make it sound like  
chris r : 11/21/2013 11:17 pm : link
I'm comparing Dave Thomas to Peterson. I think they're same level athletes. PP ran a 4.34. Sehorn a 4.37. Sehorn had an inch on Peterson. Peterson a few pounds on Sehorn.

I've seen Peterson get spun around pretty good by smaller, quicker type of WRs, though to be fair I can't recall how Sehorn did vs the smaller types of WRs.
Deion still holds the combine 40 record,I believe  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2013 11:17 pm : link
4.27. If Green was faster, it was by a minute amount.
Green ran a 4.2 when he was 40 years old.  
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 11:21 pm : link
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chris  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/21/2013 11:31 pm : link
by completely wrong i meant the area you used to argue for Sehorn is one where Peterson is clearly superior. His change of direction is off the charts, he is way more fluid. He showed up at the combine and ran a 3 cone in 6.58 at 220 lbs. That's crazy.

I should have said you had it backwards when arguing for Sehorn having a more fluid ease of movement or being more agile. Patrick Peterson could be an NFL WR, there is no question about it and they use him there in spurts. He is an elite punt returner (go youtube some of his TDs), even though his effectiveness there is down some because of how teams kick to him
RE: What about the onside kick he ran back  
Bramton1 : 11/21/2013 11:40 pm : link
In comment 11351725 NYGBlue42 said:
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against Coughlins Jaguars for a touchdown,in the shut up Fred Taylor game.


That was incredible.
Yep it was rough  
Kyle in NY : 11/21/2013 11:41 pm : link
watching him go out as a Giant unsuccessfully chasing TO around that day. Just didn't have it anymore. Would it have killed Johnnie Lynn to adjust and get someone more capable on the guy? Sheesh.
What hurt Sehorn was Sehorn himself  
montanagiant : 11/21/2013 11:50 pm : link
Was one of the best corners in the league and had not even hit his potential when he got injured. It was his choice of rehab that hurt his comeback. Instead of doing the Giants rehab he choose to use Todd Marinovich's father out in Cali.. THis is the same ass who raised his son from pre-school to be a QB. It was as close to raising him Sparta style as one could get

This guy had all kinds of odd weird exercises and stretches that he developed himself with no medical basis for them. He also had Sehorn raise his weight up 20 more lbs. Sehorn was never himself after that
Sehorn was a very good cover corner big tall fast and rangy  
Blue Blood : 11/21/2013 11:57 pm : link
I used to say this about Sehorn on the old Giants chat..

2/3rds of the earth is covered by water.

The rest is covered by Sehorn...
Since his surgery  
Bill in UT : 11/22/2013 12:31 am : link
he's spent 13 years covering Angie Harmon. How good is that?
RE: Since his surgery  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/22/2013 12:38 am : link
In comment 11351893 Bill in UT said:
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he's spent 13 years covering Angie Harmon. How good is that?


Great point. She was banging. Still is.
In case it was not mentioned  
Marty in Albany : 11/22/2013 12:51 am : link
He won the Superstars competitions AFTER his injury.
He begged to be allowed to return kicks and was told NO many times prior to the injury.
During his first two years on the Giants, he played poorly and it looked like he might not make the team in year three.
#31  
Nick in LA : 11/22/2013 1:38 am : link
My Favorite Giant of all-time. I know we have some of the best to ever play as Giants alum, but man I loved Sehorn when I was a kid.
He had tremendous size for a CB  
oipolloi : 11/22/2013 3:26 am : link
6'2", 215 lbs and he ran a 4.37

He basically had the same athleticism as Michael Vick

He did not have the natural cover ability of, say, a Mark Collins or Revis. But his size and speed allowed him to match up with big receivers, such as Irvin and TO.

How "good" he was overall was always complicated by race since he was the only starting white CB in the league. His race led to hype both for him and against him. In retrospect, I would say if had not gotten injured he would have gone down as the best Giants DB of the last 40 years.
also, remember he was injured in only his third year as a starting CB  
oipolloi : 11/22/2013 3:33 am : link
and his injury was in preseason, so we really only got to see him for two years as a CB

he had an incredibly bad knee injury and was never quite the same when he came back

so, we really don't know how good he would have been. If I had to guess I would say a top 5 CB in the game but not one of the all-time greats
Wasn't  
mushroom : 11/22/2013 6:08 am : link
there a question where the coaching staff wanted him to play when he was drafted. I thought they tried him first out at safety and he struggled.
Athletic Ability off the charts.  
Randy in CT : 11/22/2013 6:41 am : link
I remember after coming back from his ACL seeing him at camp--he was built like a large LB. 240 ish.

Regarding that KO return--I think it was a great idea. You don't play scared and returners don't seem to be injured at a higher rate than other positions and breaking a return can be game-changing. And you don't play the game scared--or scared to play certain players for fear of injury.
I'll always have a soft spot  
newmike2 : 11/22/2013 6:52 am : link
for Fassel because he took the team to the SB but I'll never forgive him for putting Jason on returns. Biggest single mistake by any Giants HC I can remember and is up there with Parcells starting Brunner over Simms.
The thing I remember most about Sehorn,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 11/22/2013 7:06 am : link
at training camp Fassal would have the entire team run gassers at the end of practice . Sehorn was out in front by 10 or 15 yards from start to finish.
as mushroom  
Matt in SGS : 11/22/2013 7:20 am : link
mentioned, I remember that when he first came to the Giants, the coaches looked at his size (and skin color) and assumed he should be a safety. They drafted Thomas Randolph as a speedy corner, also in the 2nd round of that draft, and later added Tito Wooten as a safety in the supplimental draft. Both Randolph and Wooten saw playing time before Sehorn, who finally started to get on the field in 1996.

Perhaps the only good thing about the 1996 Giants season, was we started to see that young defense start to gel, and Sehorn kept getting better and better. By 1997, he was looked at as kind of a freak for being not only a white corner, but one of the better corners in the game. He would make big plays (scored a TD on a pick in the clincher vs. the Redskins) and in the season finale at Dallas, he literally reduced Michael Irvin to tears as Irvin was so frustrated by how badly the Cowboys had fallen and Sehorn blanketed him that entire day. And he added another pick with a big run back against the Vikings in that God awful Wild Card loss.

When I think of Sehorn, you think of a guy who was on the cusp of being a super star, but that kickoff return against the Jets put an end to his rise. And then he became a BBI lightning rod with his workout decisions come 1999, as Fassel and many others felt he got too big/bulked up and never regained his quickness, even with the plays he made against Jacksonville (when you go back and see it, the Giants front protect line actually ran up at the Jags to engage them allowing Sehorn and easy path for a TD) and the Eagles pick 6.
Revis,as great as he may be, gets.....  
Crispino : 11/22/2013 7:39 am : link
away with interference more than any other corner I've ever seen.
Think he is being a bit overrated bymany here  
bc4life : 11/22/2013 8:03 am : link
He was extremely athletic and had a great, size speed ratio. He was tailor made to cover the wr emerging trend at the time - the Michel Irvin 6'2-6'4" 200 plus body type. Conversely, he struggled covering the smaller water bug type wrs - like a Cruz, or Santana Moss.

He was solid in run support however, Phillipi Sparks was better in ru support. Shut down corner? No. STC is an adjective too easily tossed around and few could live up to it - Deion and a handful of others.

I would consider him a B+ corner. Really high character guy.
I have noticed one instance of Revis getting away with calls.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 11/22/2013 8:10 am : link
I don't watch much Jets but a game was on a couple years back and Revis broke up a pass and the announcers started praising him. They show the replay and he's all over the receiver early and the announcers even make a comment that since he is Revis when plays are close the refs give him the benefit of the doubt because he's that good. That never sat well with me.
My favorite Giants player while I was in high school.  
Curtis in VA : 11/22/2013 8:25 am : link
One of the best corners in the league before his injury. He was the real deal.
Safety size and CB speed  
njm : 11/22/2013 8:26 am : link
He wasn't the cover corner Deion Sanders was (nor Reavis), but his run support was at a whole different level. In today's game he would be incredibly valuable matched up against the large WRs with speed.
hereee's Angie  
gtt350 : 11/22/2013 8:39 am : link
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJmwASdf-BE - ( New Window )
One of the worst push-off  
mrvax : 11/22/2013 8:48 am : link
receivers that got away with it consistently was Michael Irvin. I loved it when Sehorn drove him to tears that day around 1997?

As others have said, Michael Vick like athletic skills. Coverage ability was outstanding those 2 short seasons but short of perfect. Had he not gotten injured, who knows.
If I recall he  
MotownGIANTS : 11/22/2013 9:10 am : link
bulk up to a bit to much in the upper body which was hurt his rehab and post injury ability....
Green definitely didn't lose speed with age  
Greg from LI : 11/22/2013 9:15 am : link
The combine didn't always use electonic timing, so it's hard to say. There are a bunch of crazy hand-timed 40s. Green said the fastest he ever was clocked at was a hand-timed 4.14, Deion's claimed something like 4:16, Bo Jax ran a hand-timed 4.12 at the 1985 combine which is supposed to be the fastest ever recorded by any method at the comine. Like I said, from what I could gather Deion's 1989 combine time is still the record with electonic timing. Going off of 100 times for players that ran track in college and the Olympics, we see...

Green: 10.08
Deion: 10.21
Bo: 10.39
Willie Gault: 10.10....in 2011, Gault ran a 10.88 at the age of 51.
Herschel: 10.22
Bullet Bob Hayes: 10.06, which was the world record at the time
Ron Brown: 10.01
James Trapp: 10.03
Usain Bolt 9.58 holy shit  
gtt350 : 11/22/2013 9:34 am : link
can he catch?
.  
arcarsenal : 11/22/2013 9:41 am : link
James Jett vs. Qadry Ismail sprint from years ago was hilarious.. Ismail was a pretty fast guy and Jett made him look like a lineman. I can't find the link anymore though.

"wasn't a Patrick Peterson level prospect"  
KWALL : 11/22/2013 9:53 am : link
What does that even mean? Athletically Peterson has nothing on him.

It wasn't just the measurables. He was super smooth on the field. There are some guys who explode off the floor and he was one of them and he was a very big CB too.

His peak was very short but Sehorn was putting it all together. I agree he was no Revis because Revis dominated for a long time, avoided injuries, and really mastered the craft of playing CB (the contact he gets away with is a big part of it. It's a skill. Not a knock).

However, during Sehorn's peak he was one of the best defenders in the NFL. Saying he was nothing more than the 4th best player on the D is wrong. He was an impact defender and could eliminate the best WR on the other team.
Forgot about James Jett  
Greg from LI : 11/22/2013 9:57 am : link
His best 100 time was 10.10.
MOM  
KWALL : 11/22/2013 9:58 am : link
You are wrong about Sehorns movement skills, COD, agility, and quickness.

He could have been an NFL WR too. No doubt about it.
this is oddly addicting  
Greg from LI : 11/22/2013 10:11 am : link
Rod Woodson: 10.26, although the hurdles was his main event in track as he was the NCAA record holder in 60 meter hurdles at the time.
Chris Johnson: 10.38
OJ Simpson ran a 9.4 100 yard dash. They didn't run meters in the NCAA back then. The 1967 USC 4x100 team, which he was on, set the world record at the time.


Green was billed as the fastest CB, but i doubt he could've  
Geeman : 11/22/2013 11:28 am : link
outran Deion. It would've been a great race and whoever would've won it would've been by a millisecond either way.
Deion is the greatest CB I've ever seen, period. Was he much of a tackler?...no...however there's never been a better cover corner. I never seen a CB who was avoided by CBs and OCs as much as he was. He too was a freak athelete.
This takes nothing away from sehorn who was very talented as well. Also Revis pre injury is the best CB of this generation and is probably top 5 of all time. To shutdown CBs in this era is an incredible feat.
RE: Green ran a 4.2 when he was 40 years old.  
Cam in MO : 11/22/2013 12:06 pm : link
In comment 11351855 arcarsenal said:
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Green was 72 when he ran that 4.2. He always lied about his age.



JS  
AnishPatel : 11/22/2013 12:17 pm : link
was one of my favorite players. Great speed, athletic ability, technique and very good hands. He was the anti Will Allen. Will Allen would get beat up by the ball, and it he had stone hands. JS was amazing. A great player pre injury.

One could say since JS retired, we haven't had a CB close to JS's ability.
Tragedy  
Peter from CT : 11/22/2013 12:21 pm : link
The guy was a great athlete. Would have been a legendary Giant had he not gotten hurt.
I know what Matt is saying about Revis  
SHO'NUFF : 11/22/2013 12:31 pm : link
the last time we played him, he was holding Nicks the whole game and even caused an INT. I couldn't believe he got away with that shit...
.  
arcarsenal : 11/22/2013 12:31 pm : link
Crazy that at one point, the Redskins had Deion, Darrell Green AND Champ Bailey. 3 top CB's of all time.

Only for 1 year, though (2000) and Green and Sanders were both at the end of the road by then.

The camp battles between Sehorn  
GMANinDC : 11/22/2013 12:38 pm : link
and Thomas Randolph were epic. Didn't it take Sehorn 2 years to finally beat Randolph out..
I went to several games in 97  
mfsd : 11/22/2013 12:39 pm : link
and my memory is the Giants have never had someone fly across a football field like Sehorn did that year. He was a great CB

And the tragedy is, he was really just entering his prime at that point. And he was still pretty damn good post-injury (2000 season for example)

The Revis comparison is tough - I would say maybe Sehorn could have been better, if he had a few more years of his prime without the injury to play and develop
KWALL  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/22/2013 1:57 pm : link
I think its a joke to compare him and PP athletically. A bigger joke that people are throwing around names like Revis and Darrell Green for a guy who had a good season on a stacked defense. If there was a pro football focus in those days, im not sure Phillipi Sparks coverage numbers wouldn';t have been better than Sehorns in 96 and 97

He was a good player but this thread like all sehorn threads is way over the top

Jason Sehorns one excellent year  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/22/2013 1:59 pm : link
doesn't even match up with Antonio Cromarties peak season. Let alone comparing it to some of the guys on this thread
Cwebb in 08  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/22/2013 2:27 pm : link
Had a better year than Sehorn ever did. Gave up 1 TD all season, only allowed 300 or so yards receiving. He wasn't the athlete Sehorn was, but at his peak was a better cover guy

Hell Terrell Thomas in 09 on a defense with an abysmal front 7 and deplorable safety play, didn;t allow a TD all season until the Panther game in week 16

Id rank both of those seasons as being more impressive than Sehorns best
Will Allen could cover the hell  
Randy in CT : 11/22/2013 2:56 pm : link
out of his guy and yet somehow the ball squeaked in for a reception every time!
I don't think it's a joke to compare Peterson and Sehorn as athletes  
Greg from LI : 11/22/2013 2:57 pm : link
Sehorn really was a phenomenal, freakish athlete. He was a huge corner with great speed and tremendous coordination. I wouldn't compare them as football players, though, because Peterson is simply the better cornerback.

IIRC, Sehorn didn't start playing football until his senior year of high school, which could account for the fact that he was never a very instinctive player despite his prodigious physical gifts.
I liked Allen  
pjcas18 : 11/22/2013 2:58 pm : link
but agree with Randy, plus he had feet for hands. at least once a game it seemed those witty announcers would say CB's are WR's who can't catch after a Will Allen drop.
re.  
Rob_MTL : 11/22/2013 2:58 pm : link
Revis was overhyped by that fat fuck of a jets coach. Best defensive playet in the league ... Bullshit. Typical ryan hype, it gave himself and his defense clout.

Seahorn could do anything Revis could.

I would take Seahorn over Revis.
Randy  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/22/2013 2:58 pm : link
Id go as far as to say he is the most underrated Giant of all time here. I remember he once had a stretch of 3 consecutive games without allowing a catch. People remember him more for what he wasn't (a ballhawk) than what he was (a terrific cover guy and very good tackler)
heh  
Greg from LI : 11/22/2013 2:59 pm : link
Yeah, Will Allen would definitely lead the league in the mythical category of "receptions allowed despite terrific coverage". He had just about the worst balls skills you'll ever see, which is a shame because he really was excellent in coverage. He should have been much better than he was.
I thought the two Will's  
pjcas18 : 11/22/2013 3:02 pm : link
would be fixtures at CB for a long time.

It's a shame for Peterson/James injury.

Same with Gibril Wilson, great start to his carer, but potential greatness derailed by injury.

he (Gibril) hit like a truck as a rookie, and Peterson was very physical too.
Conrad Hamilton too  
Greg from LI : 11/22/2013 3:05 pm : link
He was tough as nails, a very good young cornerback who was a late-round gem. One knee injury, and poof! it's all over.
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arcarsenal : 11/22/2013 3:05 pm : link
I loved Will Peterson. I thought he was just as good as Allen was (or could have been) but he just couldn't stay healthy and it just caught up to him before he ever really hit a full stride. Never played 2 full seasons in a row.
Revis did get away with holding  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2013 3:27 pm : link
but he's still the best cover corner I've ever seen. There were others like Deion who were much bigger playmakers, but as far as taking your man out of the game I've never seen someone as successful as Revis.

The fact that Charles Woodson won the DPOY over Revis as a CB that year was an absolute joke. Woodson is a future HOF who was a more versatile player than Revis, but anyone who thinks he had a better year than Revis that season is a fool imo. I was shocked that Revis had that DPOY stolen from him.
MOM  
KWALL : 11/22/2013 3:40 pm : link
Sehorn could run and jump with anybody including the smaller Peterson. He wasn't just a track guy playing football. He was outstanding in several sports and he could play several positions on a football field.

It's too bad he got started late at CB and got hurt. But his peak was outstanding and the way you're dismissing it is really the big joke here.

I think Antonio Cromartie is the best Sehorn comp  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/22/2013 3:44 pm : link
on this thread.
OJ Simpson the football player  
nomad1986 : 11/22/2013 3:56 pm : link
was crazy good. Like top 5 NFL players of all time good. He played in Buffalo on a lot of bad teams. If OJ played on Eric Dickerson's home fields he would have put up numbers that would never be broken in 14 game seasons.
Tremendous pure athlete  
JonC : 11/22/2013 4:49 pm : link
But, he wasn't incredibly football instinctive, probably because he didn't play until late in high school. He did polish up the instincts and the skillset after a few NFL seasons, and was a defender on the ascent when he tore up his knee (F U, Jim). He had the ability to shut down his side of the field, which itself is rare in the NFL.

His potential ceiling appeared very high, which is why I think fans tend to overrate him now relative to his actual
achievements on the field.

Smooth athlete, looked and moved like a 180-lb man at 6'2 215. He came back post-ACL (after training intensely with the often mis-focused Marv Marinovich) at 228 lbs but was too bulky and slowed down. Took him a bit to lose the unneeded mass and begin to return to form, but he wasn't the same after the knee.

He definitely had troubles with smaller shifty players.

His wife is probably the nicest, friendly celebrity I've ever met. And stunning, of course.
In a foot race  
JonC : 11/22/2013 4:52 pm : link
I'd pick Green over Deion, he was lightning and he had the superior 100M time iirc, which is a better indicator of speed than 40 yards.
Johnc  
Rob_MTL : 11/22/2013 5:58 pm : link
Quote:
But, he wasn't incredibly football instinctive, probably because he didn't play until late in high school.
This is false.

You cannot separate the two. Seahorn was an EXCELLENT football player (thus had excellent football instincts.)
What I remember about Sehorn...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 11/22/2013 6:09 pm : link
great athlete as many mentioned. When he first came to the Giants/NFL, he had a hard time learning the system. He got caught out of position a lot. Once he learned the game he was excellent. Hist ball skills were superior. Tackling was average.

Once he was blitzing from the corner position. He got as far as the left tackle and the QB had already released the ball. sehorn jumped what looked to be 12 feet in the air. From my vantage point, it looked like his knees were about even with the linemen. It looked fake. Like he was pulled up on a wire.
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