I have been reading this board most days for about 8 years. This is my first post. In the late 50's Rosie Brown use to give my boss a few of his tickets to 3-4 games a year. Rosie was a first class guy and proud to use his name in my handle.
I'm going to state my opinion on hits and misses for two 5 year time periods. 2003 to 2007 was the Ernie Accorsi/Jerry Reese period. I am aware that Ernie left in mid January of the 2007 and wasn't at the draft in 2007. My belief is that the scouts, organization and methodologies at the time of the 2007 draft had Accorsi's fingerprints on it.
2008-2012 is the Jerry Reese/Marc Ross VP of Player Evaluation plus Chris Mara as the Senior VP of Player Evaluation. As a fan it is not possible to know how much weight each man's opinion carries is the draft process. We also don't know how much the position coaches opinions weigh in the draft process. We really don't know if Simtim was Tom Coughlin's pick or not. It may be that so many people are involved that almost no one believes they are responsible. I believe the Giants have drafted poorly (particularly in the mid and late rounds)over the past 5 years and this is one of the major reasons for our poor showing this year.
In my opinion Jerry Reese and John Mara are responsible for this failure.
I think it was Bob Kraft who said "it's not your best 15 players but your worst 15 players who determine how our team does on the field".
2003-2007
Hits
Zak DeOssie
Barry Cofield
Brandon Jacobs
Kevin Boss
Gibril Wilson
David Diehl
Michael Johnson(not a star but 159 tackles not bad for a 7th rounder)
Frank Walker
Ahmad Bradshaw
David Tyree
Reggie Torbor (150+ tackles)
Misses
Roderick Babers
Guy Whimper (still playing)
2005 5th round pick to San Diego (could be considered a hit depending how you value Eli's contribution)
Adam Koets
Charlie Peprah
Eric Moore
Jamaar Taylor
Willie Ponder
Gerrick McPhearson
Drew Strojny
Isaac Hilton
2008-2012
Hits
Jonathan Goff (earned starter status when an injury took him out)
Jacquian Williams (154 tackles for a 7th round pick)
Misses
Adrien Robinson(early call but really hasn't seen the field in 2 years)
James Brewer(starting due to injury but could get Eli killed.)
Phillip Dillard
Travis Beckum
Bryan Kehl
Brandon Mosley
Greg Jones
Mitch Petrus
Andre Brown (left as a miss and returned after 5-6 teams as a hit)
Matt McCants
Tyler Sash
Adrian Tracy
Rhett Bomar
Marcus Kuhn (9 tackles severe leg injury)
Matt Dodge
Andre Woodson
When I see Jerry trading up to draft Jernigan or Nassib it drives me crazy. There's a lot of solid players to be found after the first 3 picks.
I am sure some or many of you will have different opinions on the players listed above. This is my effort to point out how poorly the Giants have done in the later rounds over the past 5 years. I tried to be as objective as I could.
Cheers,
Bob
Some here want to credit the magnificent draft of 2007 all to Jerry Reese and none to Ernie Acorrsi. I disagree. If 2007 makes Jerry Reese a drafting genius then what happened in 2008,2009 and 2010 in rounds 4-7. Nearly a complete failure. Do you believe that we pin that on Marc Ross and Jerry had no responsibility?
The responsibility of the draft is spread over the scouts, positional coaches (Dl,Ol,DB,etc)who I am fairly certain will grade various prospects, Head Coach, Off Coor, Def Coor, and Management. The process is complicated and I am sure very thorough. Many people are asked for their input. In the end it is hard to assign responsibility for failed picks.
Cheers,
Bob
You are correct. In 2008 not only did Reese step away from the draft, he allowed Coughlin significant input into draft. Anyone cares that Sintim wasba Coughlin and Sheridan pick? That Mike Sullivan personally scouted Harden and JJ? How about Gillbride and Pope begging for Beckum? Nope. Even when the coaches and owner tells you this info it goes unnoticed. Accorsi's approach to Coughlin is very different than Reese reward to Coughlin. Hell Mara has his own hands on this roster. Anymore BC alums need a chance?
We are awful and are now limping to a finish. What do those teams' blogs sound like?
the Reese regime (that includes Chris Mara, the owners, the coaches) has only been pedestrian in any aspect of managing: draft, bringing in FA, keeping FA, not knowing when to give up on players, cap management. Folks want to point out the 2 rings. Others want to point out 4 misses out of the last 5 years, no offseason success other than those 2 magical years, and no real optimism that we're going to be gaining that 3rd ring any time soon.
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My point is that the Giants drafting over the past 5 years(2008-2012)is significantly worst than it was in the previous 5 years (2003-2007) in rounds 4-7. This should be clear at this point. Something changed in the organization for this to happen. It's not a random event. I do not think it's a simple answer but management should be aware and hopefully are working to fix it.
Some here want to credit the magnificent draft of 2007 all to Jerry Reese and none to Ernie Acorrsi. I disagree. If 2007 makes Jerry Reese a drafting genius then what happened in 2008,2009 and 2010 in rounds 4-7. Nearly a complete failure. Do you believe that we pin that on Marc Ross and Jerry had no responsibility?
The responsibility of the draft is spread over the scouts, positional coaches (Dl,Ol,DB,etc)who I am fairly certain will grade various prospects, Head Coach, Off Coor, Def Coor, and Management. The process is complicated and I am sure very thorough. Many people are asked for their input. In the end it is hard to assign responsibility for failed picks.
Cheers,
Bob
You are correct. In 2008 not only did Reese step away from the draft, he allowed Coughlin significant input into draft. Anyone cares that Sintim wasba Coughlin and Sheridan pick? That Mike Sullivan personally scouted Harden and JJ? How about Gillbride and Pope begging for Beckum? Nope. Even when the coaches and owner tells you this info it goes unnoticed. Accorsi's approach to Coughlin is very different than Reese reward to Coughlin. Hell Mara has his own hands on this roster. Anymore BC alums need a chance?
I haven't looked deep into this enough to know whether or not it's totally accurate.. but wouldn't it make sense to involve Reese heavily in the draft again if this is the case?
Cheers,
Bob
from bbi
the ST panned out, the LB didn't. that comment, IMO, puts ST first, while putting hopes on LB. just my interpretation.
Cheers,
Bob