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“We’re still 7-9,” co-owner John Mara told The Star-Ledger when asked if a strong finish changed his opinion on the season. “As an old coach once said, you are what your record says you are, and we’re still 7-9. But yeah, it’s always better to end up winning, and we did end up winning seven of our last 10 games. “But we’re still 7-9.” |
That's the real question.
It's no slight on Mara, but anyone who expects him to drop the hammer is going to be disappointed.
They were only 7-9 because they faced a shit load of backup QB's
They were only 7-9 because they faced a shit load of backup QB's
Great point Mook. That 4 game winning streak was fool's gold.
By contrast, if this was our co-tenants, Woody Johnson would probably want to put a banner up for a 7-3 finish to the season.
Ultimately, the Giants have been already planning their 2014 and beyond for a while now. Reese in particular has had plenty of time to begin crafting a plan for Mara and Tisch to review. Coughlin, not so much, he's been focused on coaching.
At the end of the day, I don't see the Giants making any changes to the coaching staff. I think that the fall will happen within scouting and player development. The biggest name to take the fall will probably be Marc Ross. They will spend time re-evaluating how they made their draft selections, find the gaps, look at the scouting reports and weigh against actual performance. From there, they will make those moves. After that, they will probably push on some of the older/injured guys, which is what they generally do as soon as the end of season physicals are done and once the Super Bowl is over, they pull the trigger on cutting guys ahead of free agency.
Coughlin will only be out if he doesn't want to come back. And the only change I could see is if Sullivan shakes loose in Tampa, the Giants will bring him back to the staff to work with Eli and probably you'll see Ryan gone as QB coach. That would then re-set the succession plan from Coughlin to Sullivan. Like it or not, since 1983, the Giants have only hired 1 head coach who was not in the Giants family before, that was Dan Reeves in 1993 (and only after Coughlin turned them down to stay at BC). And Reeves had a big resume from both Dallas and Denver.
Wow!
If it does, then I'm confident John Mara will take steps.
If a losing team makes as much net income as a winning team, Mara might not get too involved personally.
John Mara needs to put his stamp on the franchise at some point.
Barkley (3rd string), Tolzine, Cousins, Freeman.
Add in Terrell Pryor being awful and on one leg when they played and 5 of their 7 wins came either against terrible QB's or backup QB's.
So, no, it isn't foolish to say they faced a bunch of backup QB's, its a simple fact.
When they faced a legitimate starting caliber QB this year, they went 2-9
Alot of hot air!
And the main event tonight. What a Sunday
1- familiarity within the Giants organization (as I mentioned above)
2- familiarity with Eli
Let's face it, Eli is the franchise and the Giants are going to be married to him for the next 5 years or so through the remainder of his prime/contract. The Giants priority is to keep him in a situation where he will be comfortable and productive with the system and the staff. To that end, his best years were developed under Sullivan has his QB coach. Sullivan went to Tampa to round out his resume more with more responsibility as an offensive coordinator. It's very much similar to what Jim Fassel did back in the 1990s. You add in with Eli's regression the past couple of years, rounding out to this season, someone will take the fall for that. It won't be Eli, it won't be Coughlin, and it probably won't even be Gilbride. That leaves Ryan to take that hit, and they would look to slot Sullivan back in.
Unless Mara is willing to put his own stamp on it, as you note, of all the coaches from within the Coughlin tenure since 2004, Sullivan is the only one who really fits the description of the Giants hiring practices since Parcells.
WTF, your comment made me actually read the article and there wasn't a single other quote from Mara about the 2013 season other than the one posted. Nada. Zip. Nothing.
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Just scanned the article. Sounds like BIG changes are coming!
WTF, your comment made me actually read the article and there wasn't a single other quote from Mara about the 2013 season other than the one posted. Nada. Zip. Nothing.
i read it, and it backed up what he said about Coughlin. I just do not think he is reading the context right.
“We’ll talk about that during the week.”
What Mara didn't say I think has to be worrisome to the coaches. Given a chance to say something positive about the 7-3 finish, he didn't take it. When the Giants record hit 4-6 he complimented the coaches. Not this time.
He also expressed quiet anger about the 7-9 finish. Unlike his father, John Mara does not want to be the President and CEO of an NFL cellar dweller. It directly affects his prestige as an owner of an original, historic franchise.
Not predicting major changes based on what Mara didn't say today, but like I said if I were coach I wouldn't be happy.
Maybe I'm blind. Can you paste the additional quote from Mara about the 2013 season other than the quote by the OP?
I think 2014 will be it for Coughlin. Doesn't sound like there is going to be an extension (even a 1 yr one) in the works.
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And the status of head coach Tom Coughlin?
“We’ll talk about that during the week.”
baadbill this is the quote.
i just think he was referring to the length of the extension, though. nobody i read has picked it up as TC is in jeopardy of not coming back.
So Sullivan makes a lot of sense. Ross getting the ax makes sense.
And unless he wants to repeat the halcyon days of the mid' 60's to the early 80's, Mara will butt out and keep that doofus Tisch as far away from football decisions as possible.
as do I
Big off-season for Reese.
Exactly how i see it also...Just like when he pushed him to change with his player interactions.
Big off-season for Reese.
I think that's to be expected. But I don't get that from the article. The only quote from Mara is, despite the good finish, at the end of the day the record is still 7-9. Changes are obvious. What changes, not so much.
if you miss, you have no depth and you end up overpaying to keep guys or sign guys to fill in and you keep doing this, and dig yourselves deeper into the hole
this is fixable to get back to playoffs in 2014, IF, ownership has the stones to do it
These last two years are more on Reese than TC, 60/40 on Reese ....
The Lions had everything to play for last week.. they didn't lay down like dogs, they just played a crappy game and got beat.
25 million in cap space wasted
three roster spots that could have gone to OL who could actually contribute positively
1. McCants
2. OL they would have signed with the 5 million in extra cap space
3. The G/C they would have drafted instead of Nassib. Because one reason they took Nassib was they already had Baas/Cordle at center and Snee/Boothe/Brewer/Mosely at G. There was roster space for a draft pick at C/G.
Not mention, lots of great advice here on how to run an NFL offense as well as prepare the team in training camp and scouting info for the draft.
I hope he gets that.
Are you happy with missing the playoffs the last 5 out of 6 years?
His answer should be able to tell you his mindset and actions to this off-season.
IMHO, I'm not so sure that's what happens this off-season.
If nothing is done then the answer is "yes, I'm ok with it."
If no, then we'll see a shake up of some sort.
"But we’re still 7-9.”
Want to impress me John? Fire Gilbride, Quinn and the QB coach. Then, bring in Acorsi as a consultant which is essentially putting training wheels on Reese and putting him on notice.
Bill I completely agree. I think this staff is very stubborn. If Mara leaves it to Coughlin then don't look for much change.
That being said, I think this Org is really stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to changes to the coaching staff. What Coordinators can you get as a one year stop gap?
Same with the Front Office...you bring in a new GM and you tell him you can't fire Coughlin...it's a lame duck situation all the way around.
I think everyone over there is aware of the scope of the failure of this year. Parading the Rug around like he's some conquering hero is just odd.
I think everyone over there is aware of the scope of the failure of this year. Parading the Rug around like he's some conquering hero is just odd.
ok then we fire him too. I dont trust Reese anymore.
But you're nuts if you think the Giants would suddenly become so impatient after the first losing season in 10 years to fire the GM. When's the last time they made a sweeping move like that? They don't even like firing coaches. John doesn't and I could be wrong, but I don't think Duke did either.
you can't face top 15 quarterbacks on the schedule every week.
shoot, chalk up another win at home against dallas if cruz doesn't fumble that ball. they 'should' have gotten 3 wins against teams with an opposing 'legitimate franchise' QB
Tc yet...who let's eli get
Killed w oline..
Hires crappie coaches
...tc is going
To run same system
He needs to go...
To play well...make a mvp
Eli into average player..
Bad game planning and choice
Of coaches..and I wonder if all
The players saying they love
Tc will backfire...are they happy
With his coaching and losing or
Afraid of being cut...
Giants had one of the weakest schedules this year…24/32 teams
(See Redzone.org (strength of schedule)
Gilbride needs to go. Period.
On top of that, Reese needs to be put on warning this is it. They shouldn't let him go but his history of taking chances in the draft with picks like Robinson, Nassib, Cooper Taylor, just to name a few in addition to dropping TE's every year because he thinks the system is a plug and play has been a total failure. The reason it works in NE is because their offense is fairly simple. Gilbride's is very difficult. No wonder WR's take years to develop or RB's don't understand blocking schemes.
The Giants need to overhaul the OL, pick up a RB, get a DE/DT and hopefully draft LB's. That's a lot.
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Perhaps our offensive co-ordinator and our defensive co-ordinator will each adapt their complex systems to match the abilities of the players who have to execute that system.
I mentioned no names. Both of this season's offensive and defensive co-ordinators were extremely offensive.
If TC is married to this system (many think he is the mastermind behind it, Gilbride had some say but it is mainly TC's system with Gilbride making the calls out of it) than he needs to go.
They did. They started running many more short routes, particularly slants, and when we were using Hillis, we pounded the inside and agreed to settle for 2-3 years per rush as opposed to the virtually guaranteed two yard loss before.