One day, in similar fashion as Aaron Rodgers replaced Brett Favre? How many years did Rodgers sit on the bench while being basically groomed for the starting job? Do you want Nassib to replace Eli in 3-4 years?
Nassib and Rodgers were totally different prospects coming out. There's no way of even knowing the answer to this question but my guess is that no, Ryan Nassib will not be the heir apparent to Eli Manning.
No, Ryan Nassib is probably not going to play at Rodgers' level.
Had he been drafted next year it would be possible but we have no clue how Nassib is going to progress. It would be awesome if Nassib is the next Rodgers but that is extremely unlikely.
that you are aware that Eli being pummeled constantly behind the worst line we've ever fielded, having little time to throw, having receivers not on the same page as him, and Nicks deciding not to really give effort this year, were the biggest contributing factors to Eli's performance, yes?
You aren't one of those guys who sees a RB get stuffed behind the LOS and then swear at the RB right?
You have been a part of BBI long enough to know that when people here have a perception of a player or a coach, they are not going to allow facts or logic to get in the way of that perception
Eli is a championship quarterback, who must play from a clean pocket. He does not possess the athletic ability to make plays with his feet, or even extend plays very often.
But he is a prototype NFL quarterback that wins. He didn't forget how to play last season. His biggest mistake was continuing to try and make plays, forcing it if you will, instead of protecting his stats.
I understand the fickleness of fans, and the irrational overreaction to bad play. But it is difficult to understand how anyone who know even a little about football, can come to the conclusion that Eli is the problem with this offense.
It's going to be difficult to evaluate any Giant QB if the OL
you have your WRs run to the wrong place and or give up on routes, and I'm thinking that your QB ain't gonna thrive. There's no way to look good in that arena.
Eli is the LEAST of our worries--so this scorned woman syndrome that affects so many here is misdirected.
Did I say it was Eli's fault? He was just a part of it. TC even said it himself during the year.
Yes, I've been around BBI long enough to know some people read something & put their own spin on it.
my post wasn't directed towards you, sorry you took it that way. I was responding to Randy's post, which supports what I believed the problem to be this season.
You know there has been plenty of over-reaction to Eli and his poor season on this board this season. I didn't view your post in that light.
for Eli (I put a ton of blame on the Oline)he has to bounce back next season. If he has a season like last season, then the odds of him reverting back to form in 2015 shrink considerably.
Nobody knows how he will turn out, and its not like they used a high pick on him. Someday, Eli will get hurt and investing appropriately in a young back-up makes great sense.
at least 1/2 of the teams desperate for a QB he lasted until the middle of the 4th round. If he was worthy of being considered a starter it stands to reason that one of those 16 teams would have taken him in the first 3 rounds.
the line by drafting Nassib. Some anonymous guy on the internet declares him a disaster who if proven wrong will probably just change his handle or fade into oblivion. Why you guys entertain Victor in CT is beyond me
the line by drafting Nassib. Some anonymous guy on the internet declares him a disaster who if proven wrong will probably just change his handle or fade into oblivion. Why you guys entertain Victor in CT is beyond me
No, I am a Giants fan. I said on draft day that I thought it was a stupid move to take a QB there because they had more pressing needs that could have been addressed with the pick and I stand by it. If somehow he became a solid starting QB for the Giants I'll happily say that he proved me wrong.
As for your stupid statement about changing a handle, that's pretty brave coming from someone hiding behind the name "headhunter".
I can't take a lunch, and there's no food in the fridge except a jar of Mayonnaise. Could somebody bring me a roll and some ham? I'll give you Ryan Nassib in exchange. If you throw in swiss cheese you can have Curtis Painter as well. I've already got the Mayo, as I mentioned earlier.
If we can excuse Eli's bad year on a horrendous OL, how can we say that Nassib "failed to show anything". Did a different, improve line come in with him the few times he got to play in pre-season?
I just want to clarify my earlier comments. When I said good looking, I didn't mean it in a you-know-what way (and there is nothing wrong with that way, it's just not my cup of tea, or glass of beer, or whatever way makes me soud more masculine.) I just mean they have have a certain amount of sex appeal...you know, for the ladies. Thank you.
P.S, I'm sorry, I don't have any lunch meat to spare. If I did, I'd give it to you in a heart beat. It would be Boars Head too...I don't waste my time with that other garbage passed off as meat.
I'm just pointing out the Packers drafted a guy who wasn't the highest rated QB coming out, he rode the pine for multiple seasons and he stepped in and won a SB and a MVP, i'm not saying Nassib is capable, no1 can say that, he hasn't played a meaningful snap yet, just saying he can fill in for Eli after his rookie contract is up and maybe he will become the starter. No1 expected Aaron Rodgers to be as good as he is, otherwise he should have started over Favre from day1. Just trying to determine if Eli hangs it up after 3 more seasons, will Nassib be the guy?
at least 1/2 of the teams desperate for a QB he lasted until the middle of the 4th round. If he was worthy of being considered a starter it stands to reason that one of those 16 teams would have taken him in the first 3 rounds.
The same logic would apply to any pick. If no one wanted any player at any position in the first 3 rounds, then he must not be worthy of taking in the 4th.
And please tell about all the great players Reese has taken in the 4th Rd.
If the Giants decide not to extend Eli this offseason....The Giants go with just 2 QB's next season...Eli goes down and then Nassib plays well in a backup role.
All of the sudden the Giants have a big decision to make. One we have seen other teams make in the past.
No one here knows if Nassib is really any good...but we are not sure that Eli is still any good either.
TC answered that question in the final game of the season when Eli was injuried.
Tom elected to play C. Painter... a person who is not NFL starting quality
The rookie already had 1 full year of watching film and practice. However our HOF coach still lacked enough confidence in him to let him finish the game.
My view is that if Eli, god forbid, gets injuried our season it lost.
what he is or isn't. But I certainly wouldn't compare him to Rodgers.
What frosts my cherries is that this appears to be another developmental QB "value pick" where a decent college QB who needs to develop is taken mainly because he is good value at that point in the draft, but winds up contributing little or nothing to the Giants because:
A. He never develops.
B. Leaves before he has any reasonable expectation of making a substantial contribution.
And the reason I find it galling, is because for each such player taken a player who may not be such a potential high-flyer, but who could be a solid, earlier contributor is NOT taken. The product of such a philosophy can be a team composed of a few gems floating in a sea of crap!
about the Giants' opinion of Nassib to date, but one of the first the draft prospects they met with is Garoppolo. And FWIW, Boylhart considers Garoppolo a first round talent.
what he is or isn't. But I certainly wouldn't compare him to Rodgers.
What frosts my cherries is that this appears to be another developmental QB "value pick" where a decent college QB who needs to develop is taken mainly because he is good value at that point in the draft, but winds up contributing little or nothing to the Giants because:
A. He never develops.
B. Leaves before he has any reasonable expectation of making a substantial contribution.
And the reason I find it galling, is because for each such player taken a player who may not be such a potential high-flyer, but who could be a solid, earlier contributor is NOT taken. The product of such a philosophy can be a team composed of a few gems floating in a sea of crap!
we are paying Eli insane money and expect him to play another 5 years max, but not sure. Don't you think that Nassib would be irrelevant by then? I do, new coordinator might not have him in plans also. Personally I think they just did the kid and Syracuse a favor but grabbing the guy because he fell and his own coach would not take him. Imagine being successful with a top tier QB, then degrading the position with lower tier talent...Yeah that makes sense.
It's almost dinner time and she's still not home. Do you have any macaroni and cheese or chicken nuggets that you could bring when you swing by with ham?
What if Nassib picks it up faster than Eli and looks better or at least as good running it? It's not likely to happen, but if it does and Eli struggles for the 3rd season in a row, there MAY be an open QB competition in the near future.
you're out. I wiped the Spackler top 5 favorite poster slate clean. You have to shake things up once in a while. I've got a new #1 and a new #2. Don't feel so bad or get down on yourself. You're one of the odds on favorites for one of the last 3 spots. I'm hoping you can pull it off.
Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Repeat, rinse, start all over again. Sounds like a song. If Nassib's given a reasonable opportunity to pick up a less complex offense this year, we may find out a better answer than WTF knows. Nevertheless, it's pretty unlikely that he can match a 2-time SB MVP considering how extraordinarily rarely that has happened.
yes.. without a doubt.. Nassib will make us all forget Eli..
was ever our QB.. people are blinded by the fact that Eli lead two improbable super bow victories and one the MVP both times.. that's simple with the case he had around him..
Nassib would have made both those runs look easier than they had to be.. and one day.. hopefully sooner than later.. you will all see how Nassib is the future.. and should probably even be the present..
I do like Nassib though.. I think he has the potential to be a starting QB in the NFL.. time will tell.. best thing for him is to just work hard and learn from Eli and the whole Giants staff and organization right now..
he'll get a chance sometime.. whether with our Giants or on another team.. right now he has to do all he can to be ready for that chance.. once again.. time will tell..
RE: it's not hate, it's logic. In a weak QB draft in a league with
at least 1/2 of the teams desperate for a QB he lasted until the middle of the 4th round. If he was worthy of being considered a starter it stands to reason that one of those 16 teams would have taken him in the first 3 rounds.
I wonder how many said the same thing about Brady... if he was worthy of being considered as a good QB, he would have been selected before the 6th round. I'm not saying Nassib's a Brady. I'm saying sometimes these guys are just flat out wrong about QBs... or any player for that matter. Who would have thought teams desperate for a DE would pass on a guy until the 8th round, and he'd go on to be a 4 time All Pro and the Super Bowl XX MVP?
You aren't one of those guys who sees a RB get stuffed behind the LOS and then swear at the RB right?
Eli is a championship quarterback, who must play from a clean pocket. He does not possess the athletic ability to make plays with his feet, or even extend plays very often.
But he is a prototype NFL quarterback that wins. He didn't forget how to play last season. His biggest mistake was continuing to try and make plays, forcing it if you will, instead of protecting his stats.
I understand the fickleness of fans, and the irrational overreaction to bad play. But it is difficult to understand how anyone who know even a little about football, can come to the conclusion that Eli is the problem with this offense.
Eli is the LEAST of our worries--so this scorned woman syndrome that affects so many here is misdirected.
Yes, I've been around BBI long enough to know some people read something & put their own spin on it.
You know there has been plenty of over-reaction to Eli and his poor season on this board this season. I didn't view your post in that light.
Can I become QB of the NY Giants? Sure, anything is possible....
No, I am a Giants fan. I said on draft day that I thought it was a stupid move to take a QB there because they had more pressing needs that could have been addressed with the pick and I stand by it. If somehow he became a solid starting QB for the Giants I'll happily say that he proved me wrong.
As for your stupid statement about changing a handle, that's pretty brave coming from someone hiding behind the name "headhunter".
good point
ummm hello? they're both white too.
P.S, I'm sorry, I don't have any lunch meat to spare. If I did, I'd give it to you in a heart beat. It would be Boars Head too...I don't waste my time with that other garbage passed off as meat.
how rude!
The same logic would apply to any pick. If no one wanted any player at any position in the first 3 rounds, then he must not be worthy of taking in the 4th.
And please tell about all the great players Reese has taken in the 4th Rd.
All of the sudden the Giants have a big decision to make. One we have seen other teams make in the past.
No one here knows if Nassib is really any good...but we are not sure that Eli is still any good either.
I'll settle for American cheese. Please somebody help a brother out.
Tom elected to play C. Painter... a person who is not NFL starting quality
The rookie already had 1 full year of watching film and practice. However our HOF coach still lacked enough confidence in him to let him finish the game.
My view is that if Eli, god forbid, gets injuried our season it lost.
What frosts my cherries is that this appears to be another developmental QB "value pick" where a decent college QB who needs to develop is taken mainly because he is good value at that point in the draft, but winds up contributing little or nothing to the Giants because:
A. He never develops.
B. Leaves before he has any reasonable expectation of making a substantial contribution.
And the reason I find it galling, is because for each such player taken a player who may not be such a potential high-flyer, but who could be a solid, earlier contributor is NOT taken. The product of such a philosophy can be a team composed of a few gems floating in a sea of crap!
Are they shopping? Who knows.
*derpity derpity derp derp derpity derp.
What frosts my cherries is that this appears to be another developmental QB "value pick" where a decent college QB who needs to develop is taken mainly because he is good value at that point in the draft, but winds up contributing little or nothing to the Giants because:
A. He never develops.
B. Leaves before he has any reasonable expectation of making a substantial contribution.
And the reason I find it galling, is because for each such player taken a player who may not be such a potential high-flyer, but who could be a solid, earlier contributor is NOT taken. The product of such a philosophy can be a team composed of a few gems floating in a sea of crap!
Very well said TC. Thank you.
Thanking you.
Nassib would have made both those runs look easier than they had to be.. and one day.. hopefully sooner than later.. you will all see how Nassib is the future.. and should probably even be the present..
:)
he'll get a chance sometime.. whether with our Giants or on another team.. right now he has to do all he can to be ready for that chance.. once again.. time will tell..
I wonder how many said the same thing about Brady... if he was worthy of being considered as a good QB, he would have been selected before the 6th round. I'm not saying Nassib's a Brady. I'm saying sometimes these guys are just flat out wrong about QBs... or any player for that matter. Who would have thought teams desperate for a DE would pass on a guy until the 8th round, and he'd go on to be a 4 time All Pro and the Super Bowl XX MVP?
play it boy wonder. hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.