NFT: 3-Year-Old Claims Killed In Past Life, Leads Police to Body

In comment 11698717 Wuphat said:

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either/or

I meant something not or not yet explicable to address the point that you made, that there are likely natural explanations for the vast majority - perhaps all - of the non-fraud claims.

I generally give the benefit of the doubt to people that they're probably misinterpreting something that has a natural explanation, just not one they're equipped to recognize for whatever reason.

There's certainly some fraud out there, but I'd guess the vast majority are innocent misappropriations.

if you've never seen it before and/or you're loaded, I could see someone mistaking that for a ghost.

But that's where Cam's point of being primed to see a ghost comes into play.

Its not about trust. I believed that he believed it, I just could not join him and believe it too. But as I said I have since had reason to not be so quick to doubt. I still think that for one reason or another most people are simply wrong about what they think they witnessed, but I am much more open minded to the discussion than I used to be. I do believe him now and I do trust him as family and my best friend. If that makes me a fool than I am happy to be a fool.

Wuphat said.

supernatural phenomena are most likely explained by people who can't explain what they've experienced, and who, due to that inability to explain, latch onto something fantastical.

that doesn't necessarily mean they're full of shit (though some are). it just means they're wrong and they refuse to acknowledge the plausible explanations that actually have grounding in science.

if I saw a ghost, my first reaction would not be "ghosts are real!" it would be "shit, who spiked my tea?"

if my son starts ranting about going down with the Titanic, I'm gonna be pretty fucken spooked.

Very true, I believe most are mistakes. People in general simply give poor witness to most things that they see. Any lawyer could explain that much better than me.

eye witness testimony is probably the single most unreliable form of evidence there is. and not surprisingly, the vast majority of supernatural phenomena rely on it.

like I said at first: yawn.

my grandmother, a very well-educated woman who was not superstitious, became convinced that a woman was present in their house. Eyes and ears plus the standard shit about items being constantly mislain, particularly in places they rarely went like the attic. She acknowledged that there was no logical physical explanation for this and to an extent it troubled her that things were happening that her very rational brain could not readily explain. After her passing my grandfather, party to some of this but not to the extent she was, found out that a famous local murderer (his victims were women) lived in the house when he committed his crimes.

There are thousands of such stories. Maybe my grandmother's can be explained by her age, the age and condition of the house and suggestability (she wasn't familiar with that particular story but she was familiar with some of the stories of the neighborhood). Many, maybe all, have rational explanations or would if viewed by a disinterested observer. But it's still fucking weird.

The other side of the coin is how can so many people all be making the same mistakes? Most is maybe probable but all is unlikely.

but the most plausible explanation for that is dementia and what your grandfather learned is just a coincidence which just adds fuel to the fire.

I know that's hard to accept because of the respect and admiration you have for them, but that is, by far, the most likely explanation.

now, if your grandmother had videotaped an encounter, there'd be some other evidence to consider.

Lots of compelling stuff to the story. This is just a bit of it.
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In comment 11698867 M in CT said:

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but the most plausible explanation for that is dementia and what your grandfather learned is just a coincidence which just adds fuel to the fire. I know that's hard to accept because of the respect and admiration you have for them, but that is, by far, the most likely explanation. now, if your grandmother had videotaped an encounter, there'd be some other evidence to consider.

Well, no. My grandmother was quite lucid until the end, she was only in her late 70's when she passed, she did volunteer tax preparation until the year prior to her passing. There was no other discernible decline in her mental faculties. So either her dementia manifested itself in one highly particular way that, while troubling, was never more than incidental to her life, or it's a knee-jerk explanation about as grounded in reality as the idea that the ghost of a long-dead crime victim was hiding reading glasses.

the ghosts of the murder victims must've been haunting the house..

sorry, but your grandmother's eye witness account of a haunting is no more believable than any other. and not one, in the history of time, has ever been proven true.

It does not have to be a victim, it could have been a loved one like her mom or grandmom preparing her to go. Not grounded in logic but a nicer story to think about.

LOL that dementia is equally as likely as telekinesis.

as I said one could pretty easily fashion an explanation for just about all of that stuff. My point is just that rather than trying to definitively say it had to have been this, or this, or that, I think a more appropriate response to someone else's experience is simply "who ----ing knows?"

Thats why the best course of action usually is to believe what you want to believe. It is just as good as any other unproven explanation.

See, there's nothing wrong with "who fucking knows?"

The problem is stopping there.

The next step is, "Let's find out!"

if the house burst into flames and the fire chief could never find a cause then yeah, "who knows?" would be appropriate.

but explaining a pair of reading glasses moving from one location to another and an old lady forgetting about where she put them - I feel slightly more comfortable making a guess.

I think the next step is "How do we find out?"

That's how you find anything out.

That's how humans have figured out everything we have to date.

Observe the event, propose a hypothesis, design a test, run the test, refine the test, repeat the test and repeat the process until discovery.

If the hypothesis fails, you need a new hypothesis.

was this a sudden, recent revelation, or a lifestyle? I know how I would vote.

Btw, at the Noah's Arc museum they are building in Kentucky, they are including an allosaurus to represent the dinosaurs that lived at that time. I wonder, though how they are going to fit an apatosaurus, which got to be 100 feet tall. I also wonder why the Bible never mentioned dinosaurs.

Thoughts?

so it must be true

master that I would have sworn, before it was demonstrated to me, was physically impossible.

I asked him how he did it, and he tapped the side of his head and said "idea making." (His English wasn't all that great.)

Later under his tutelage I learned to a minor extent to feel my own "Chi". Whatever Chi or Ki or Kundalini is, (my teacher said it was the body's "electrical system") it is real, although very few people outside of those who have practiced it extensively can admit it or even imagine it. The idea of it doesn't exist through several cultures on pure whim alone.

So what duned said: wtf knows really how this stuff is possible? But I would tend to believe it is until demonstrated elsewise.

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I have witnessed an action by an extremely high level jedi knight that I would have sworn, before it was demonstrated to me, was physically impossible. I asked him how he did it, and he tapped the side of his head and said "idea making it is" (His English wasn't all that great.) Later under his tutelage I learned to a minor extent to feel my own "the force". Whatever the force or the force or the force is, (my teacher said it was the mind's "mitichlorian system") it is real, although very few people outside of those who have practiced it extensively can admit it or even imagine it. The idea of it doesn't exist through several cultures on pure whim alone. So what duned said: wtf knows really how this stuff is possible? But I would tend to believe it is until demonstrated elsewise.

Those who doubt me suck cock by choice

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and you sought tutelage under Yoda. mmmmmmmmmmkay

In comment 11698607 schnitzie said:

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turn into Rustin Cohle?

I'm just an onion like everybody else, chica.


...with control issues.

Can't hit the outside corners with your fastball, something like that?

get that AA creed thing to sink in.

Something about accepting things.

I will say though, that I tend to be a bit wild while pitching; my chi usually ends up all over the place- which is partially why I like my catchers immobile.

in the hamptons. 300 years old. 3 women have been killed there during its time. (original owner murdered, a kid was killed and someone else hung themselves)

had some house guests a few years ago, a 5-year old girl told her mom she saw a small girl walking around ... kids ...

In comment 11699006 Wuphat said:

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That's how you find anything out. That's how humans have figured out everything we have to date. Observe the event, propose a hypothesis, design a test, run the test, refine the test, repeat the test and repeat the process until discovery. If the hypothesis fails, you need a new hypothesis.

LOL this is almost textbook verbatim..

It's a recalling of a repressed memory.

the kid witnessed the murder. As a toddler, probably thought nothing of it. Only later, at three, the memory resurfaces and the kid now realizes the import of the event but can't fit the memory into its proper context.

Superstitious adults take the case and run with it.

very few people who haven't seriously practiced martial arts or yoga can't believe the stories or existence of "internal power" has basis.

Wuphat, can you imagine a person breaking a 2x4 across the grain with a palm strike? Or even 2 2x4s stacked directly on each other? My highest level teachers did those demonstrations in public in front of large audiences at MA exhibitions. Much of the audience was other martial artists, including rather famous ones.

Funny enough, before performing those breaks they would do a breathing exercise that would cause their palms to swell to about double in size and glow bright red, too. And that actually has a rational physical explanation; they could control their autonomous nervous system and dilate the vascular system in specific parts of their bodies at will.

In comment 11700080Funny enough, before performing those breaks they would do a breathing exercise that would cause their palms to swell to about double in size and glow bright red, too. And that actually has a rational physical explanation; they could control their autonomous nervous system and dilate the vascular system in specific parts of their bodies at will. [/quote]

I think I've just found the secret to how we can all start attracting 10's...please tell your sensei that we are all grateful.

mock is actually quite true. You simply haven't had the opportunity to observe it.

Out of the bag if one knew where to look. But I don't imagine you quite have the mental makeup or patience to attain it, lol. Those guys weren't youngsters. They'd been practicing MA seriously for 20-30 years.

who have been breaking boards all these years without doing the whole "use their mystical energies to make their hands glow red and double in size" thing.

I'd find more interesting (and profitable) things to do rather than break some wood in half.

That's just me, tho.

In comment 11700119 Cam in MO said:

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I'd find more interesting (and profitable) things to do rather than break some wood in half. That's just me, tho.

Yep. If I had the ability to double the size of my appendages and make them glow red, I'd be a pornsstar. I'd go by the name Jon, the jolly red average sized guy.

But my superhero name would be, "Glowing ballon hand boy."

And I'd have a canine sidekick named, "Sparky the glowing ballon hand boy's dog."

I'd spend all day fighting crime for money and all night romancing the honeys.

And I wouldn't be like no sissy ass A-Team always doing shit for free. Cash up front, just like craigslist.

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I'd like to think that if I had the chi super powers that Cam in MO : 4:15 pm : link : reply I'd find more interesting (and profitable) things to do rather than break some wood in half. That's just me, tho.

Breaking 2x4s was a very rarely performed exhibition. I saw it once, maybe twice in 5+ years of practicing. It wasn't done at our own schools' exhibitions, but only when our school created large public exhibitions together with about 10 other major MA schools scattered throughout the SF Bay area. None of the other schools featured guys breaking 2x4s with their bare hands. And the other schools' masters paid real close attention when our guy(s) did.

Shep - breaking boards with the grain is relative child's play - that's what we did as students, that's not 6th+ Dan master level breaking. Bricks and tiles BTW are also low level stuff, black belt level 1st dan...

I'm not sure if he was poking fun at guys breaking stacks of boards with kicks and punches when he did it, but one of the young masters I knew from our school responded to several others' demos of breaking stacks of boards by doing the same thing - with a fingertip.

bluelou, do they have television in your corner of the world?

if so, you may want to check out ESPN on occasion. they do more than break wooden boards now. they can break multiple concrete blocks.

and they can do all of that without "chi," which is complete and total bullshit.

Find me a video of a guy breaking a 2 x 4 with his bare unprotected hand in a single blow. I found one of a guy kicking through a 2 x 4... with a cast around his leg to keep it from breaking!

Sport science or some similar show that called the individuals they taped 'supermen' found a Muy-Ty guy who could break a baseball bat with his bare leg, and they were very, very impressed. BTW that vid had a big warning at the beginning - DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!

Other vids I've seen of guys breaking 2 x 4s with bare hands - not in one blow but 3 or 4, and with a cloth or something on the 2 x 4 itself so that they don't break their hand, first...

Personally I'm rather fond of the Shaolin superhumans series of videos. And I saw my masters doing very similar shit. If it ain't Chi, what is it that allows these guys to do this stuff?

Breaking bricks and concrete blocks is not so tough...
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Show me a video of a guy breaking 2x4s with the force.

It's a very guarded secret that only the most skilled jedi knights can master.

Sure you might get Padawans to break through some bricks with the force, but 2x4s? Pshaw!