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David Wilson cleared -- per him

Dannyc58 : 7/21/2014 9:58 am
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WIlson  
stretch234 : 7/21/2014 11:44 am : link
Only 11 times in the last 5 years has a RB even avg 20 carries per game. Arian Foster had 358 as a high - slightly over 22.

2008 had 2 guys over 22 (Peterson & Turner. 2007 had Portis leading with only 325

Just get him used creatively and good things can happen
Great news for David Wilson and Giants!  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2014 12:00 pm : link
Now hold onto the goddamn ball and pick up your man in pass protection and we'll all get along just fine...




Giants should go  
OldPolack : 7/21/2014 12:14 pm : link
back in history and use him ala Meggett.
Only on second or third downs.
...  
SamTheTram : 7/21/2014 12:27 pm : link
Until his blocking improves keep him out of 3rd downs
RE: he'll improve if McAdoo uses him where his abilities lie  
muhajir : 7/21/2014 12:35 pm : link
In comment 11774499 Greg from LI said:
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As a Sproles type, rather than where he's miscast as an everydown, between the tackles runner.

Greg why don't you think he can be a between the tackles runner?
because he thinks he's Barry Sanders  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2014 12:37 pm : link
If the hole isn't really there and he's looking at a 2-3 yard carry, he'll start reversing field and end up losing yardage. And since his field vision sucks, he can't find a crease when the hole isn't there as drawn up.
Hope he can stay healthy  
Jan in DC : 7/21/2014 12:38 pm : link
and become a dependable member of the offense. We need all the talented players we can get.
That's nice and all  
NYDCBlue : 7/21/2014 12:38 pm : link
I'm much more concerned about Beatty though. Anyone heard anything about Beatty? Is he going to ready for the start of Training Camp?
at this point  
santacruzom : 7/21/2014 12:41 pm : link
I think it's a leap of faith to project an above-average RB career for Wilson, and I don't mean just because of the injury.
I'm reading the same things about Wilson  
PeterS : 7/21/2014 12:45 pm : link
that were written here in the C.F. years and years ago about one Tiki Barber.
anyone who thinks this group of RBs...  
BillKo : 7/21/2014 12:46 pm : link
is better than BJ, AB, and Ward.....you're just not watching.

I think Jennings is a nice back, but both Wilson and our draft pick from BC are huge question marks.

I don't see Wilson being strong enough to be a between the tackles runner consistently. They are going to have to pick their spots with him.

And I'm with Greg on Wilson, they only thing he's shown is the ability to acclerate through a wide open hole, not block, and not hold onto the football.
RE: because he thinks he's Barry Sanders  
mrvax : 7/21/2014 12:49 pm : link
In comment 11774716 Greg from LI said:
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If the hole isn't really there and he's looking at a 2-3 yard carry, he'll start reversing field and end up losing yardage.


Actually this is exactly what Barry Sanders did. Loss, no gain, loss, 20+ gain, etc.
RE: I'm reading the same things about Wilson  
santacruzom : 7/21/2014 12:49 pm : link
In comment 11774734 PeterS said:
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that were written here in the C.F. years and years ago about one Tiki Barber.


Sure, but you're also probably reading the same things about him that were written about guys who remained average or below for their entire careers.
RE: anyone who thinks this group of RBs...  
arcarsenal : 7/21/2014 12:50 pm : link
In comment 11774737 BillKo said:
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is better than BJ, AB, and Ward.....you're just not watching.

I think Jennings is a nice back, but both Wilson and our draft pick from BC are huge question marks.

I don't see Wilson being strong enough to be a between the tackles runner consistently. They are going to have to pick their spots with him.

And I'm with Greg on Wilson, they only thing he's shown is the ability to acclerate through a wide open hole, not block, and not hold onto the football.


His issues between the tackles have nothing to do with his strength. He's built like a truck and he's a very strong dude.
How can you make judgments on Jennings and Williams  
Exit 172 : 7/21/2014 12:55 pm : link
when they haven't played a game in a Giants uniform yet? You can't say they'll be great, and you can't say they'll stink. You just don't know yet.

And Ward and Bradshaw were both 7th-round picks who made the most of their skill sets when they just happened to play behind a terrific Giants o-line. If this rebuilt Giants o-line becomes a good one, Jennings and Williams will have a much better chance at being productive, obviously. And that's just another "if".
Can't believe the cynicism  
jLefty : 7/21/2014 1:05 pm : link
Here we have the most talented, speedy back with the most potential in a long time and because the o-line was pathetic and Gilbride's offense was unimaginative, people play the crusty hard bitten veteran scout. In his short career he's gotten off better runs than anyone we've had recently. Obviously I believe he will be great. A cautionary note: hope he's really ready to go full bore.
I wouldn't say....  
BillKo : 7/21/2014 1:07 pm : link
he's built like a truck. He's 5-9, 205.

Jennings may be built more like a truck, at 231.

I hope he does great, I'm just saying from what I seen he looks more of a situational guy to me, which is fine. You needs guys like that on winning teams.
And the OL did suck.....  
BillKo : 7/21/2014 1:08 pm : link
that didn't have anything to do with fumbling and whiffing on blocks............

This is the year Wilson either makes it in blue, or doesn't.
A Rocky Thompson comparison from Deadkurt.  
Crispino : 7/21/2014 1:10 pm : link
Fucking brilliant.
new offense  
Bradshaw #44 : 7/21/2014 1:25 pm : link
clean slate for everyone. Lets go Gmen.
Nobody will be successful running if we don't block.  
RDJR : 7/21/2014 1:30 pm : link
That is the biggest question mark. The OL.
RE: I wouldn't say....  
arcarsenal : 7/21/2014 1:34 pm : link
In comment 11774784 BillKo said:
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he's built like a truck. He's 5-9, 205.

Jennings may be built more like a truck, at 231.

I hope he does great, I'm just saying from what I seen he looks more of a situational guy to me, which is fine. You needs guys like that on winning teams.


Height and weight really have nothing to do with it. The guy is a fitness freak and he's pure muscle. The idea that his strength is an issue just isn't true. He doesn't go down easily and sometimes even to a fault.. he's had the ball stripped from him while about 5 defensive players were trying to wrestle him to the ground because he wouldn't go down.
RE: Can't believe the cynicism  
vibe4giants : 7/21/2014 1:41 pm : link
In comment 11774781 jLefty said:
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Fair enough. But your handle suggests you've been overly optimistic before.
I guess I'm with the minority on this one  
gersh : 7/21/2014 2:05 pm : link
But Wilson has elite talent and I expect him to be a huge contributor for us this year (if he's OK physically)
not every guy with elite athleticism is an elite back  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2014 2:11 pm : link
All I'm saying is that he has a lot to prove.
I would not call this the deepest group in years by any means  
Some Fan : 7/21/2014 2:20 pm : link
but could agree with calling it a big guestion-mark.
Marshall is running the wrong way  
ghost718 : 7/21/2014 2:22 pm : link
Pocket Rocket with the block that frees him up
wilson wont be blocking  
SBlue46 : 7/21/2014 2:33 pm : link
We have 2 fbs and 3 big rbs. ...he willl be catching screens
and takin it to th house
Such a strange season coming up.  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/21/2014 3:01 pm : link
I have absolutely no idea what to make of this team.
Great, great news!  
Simms11 : 7/21/2014 3:03 pm : link
he could be a real weapon in this WCO. I think the Giants have their Sproles now, as well.
The guy has skills  
TMS : 7/21/2014 3:25 pm : link
but lacks technique and know how in other areas. Not ready for a featured RB role by any standard right now. Hopefully he can be developed, but he has been here two years already and has had zero production for a 1st round pick.
actually...  
BillKo : 7/21/2014 3:29 pm : link
Height and weight really have a lot to do with how much pounding you can take inside.

Yeah, he's looked strong, with about how many carries?

Let's see the guy play 16 games, get into the rotation, and see how he does.

It's been a small sample size, with lots of room for improvement.
and I think he's pretty strong dude....  
BillKo : 7/21/2014 3:31 pm : link
absorbing hits by DL's and LB's can be an entirely other issue........
To those who say don't judge him because of bad blocking  
NYDCBlue : 7/21/2014 3:44 pm : link
He still displayed pretty poor vision on kick returns also. He seems to just like running into the backs of his team mates (and then falling down).
Poor vision on kick returns?  
lono801 : 7/21/2014 4:18 pm : link
Huh... I must have been watching a different player in '12...

Didn't he set a Giants record with 1,500+ return yards that year?
RE: To those who say don't judge him because of bad blocking  
Randy in CT : 7/21/2014 4:29 pm : link
In comment 11775156 NYDCBlue said:
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He still displayed pretty poor vision on kick returns also. He seems to just like running into the backs of his team mates (and then falling down).
I didn't see this at all. And he was damned good at returning kicks.
RE: actually...  
arcarsenal : 7/21/2014 4:36 pm : link
In comment 11775121 BillKo said:
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Height and weight really have a lot to do with how much pounding you can take inside.

Yeah, he's looked strong, with about how many carries?

Let's see the guy play 16 games, get into the rotation, and see how he does.

It's been a small sample size, with lots of room for improvement.


Eh.. 5'8" Maurice Jones-Drew disagrees. He led the league with 343 carries just 2 seasons ago and averaged 100 yards a game. He's nearing 2,000 career attempts.

Wilson's build and ability to absorb contact isn't something I'd be concerned about. His blitz pickups and general football I.Q. are.

And to the guy who said he had poor vision on KR's and was constantly running into the backs of his own players.. wow. Just.. yeah. No.
arc -  
Exit 172 : 7/21/2014 5:04 pm : link
Ya gotta wonder what some Giants fans are looking at when a game is in progress.
Arc nailed it  
Jay on the Island : 7/21/2014 5:07 pm : link
Wilson's height is irrelevant. He is built very well and will continue to add muscle throughout his career. I honestly was not counting on Wilson to play this season but now with his clearance and the addition of Jennings and Andre Williams the running game should finish in the top 10 this season.
Oh, look at you!  
I'mRonBurgandy? : 7/21/2014 5:24 pm : link
You're a sweet little pocket rocket. What fun!

stays healthy he is a top five back  
grizz299 : 7/21/2014 5:30 pm : link
Run inside and out, block sufficiently. Only heard JR huff about one back - the kid who Buff got.
. Pugh,Prince, JPP, the safety? JR doesn't take a rb early unless he's special. I hear a kid who is an animal...wants it bad. I see marvelous talent and power.
. Tellin' ya guys this team has a chance to be very special.
I don't see the Sproules comparison, at all ...  
Manny in CA : 7/21/2014 6:01 pm : link
I see him being more like Lesean McCoy or Tiki Barber .

Wilson 5'9", 205

McCoy - 5'11, 208

Barber - 5'10", 205

Sproules (a hard to find bug at 5'6", 190)

Wilson is a hard-running, tackle-breaking, between-the-tackles demon. Watch his Virginia Tech highlights .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM
Here is Wilson's 2012 highlight reel. I wonder what Giant fans  
fredgbrown : 7/21/2014 6:09 pm : link
were looking at when they say he had no vision returning kicks.
2012 Highlights - ( New Window )
Wilson I believe was the second team all pro KO returner yet  
fredgbrown : 7/21/2014 6:14 pm : link
he had no vision.
RE: To those who say don't judge him because of bad blocking  
phillygiant : 7/21/2014 6:30 pm : link
In comment 11775156 NYDCBlue said:
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He still displayed pretty poor vision on kick returns also. He seems to just like running into the backs of his team mates (and then falling down).


Do you actually watch the games?
There is some very seriously misguided opinions  
LI NHB : 7/21/2014 7:43 pm : link
happening in this thread right now. Saying Wilson "sucked the past 2 years" is a grossly incorrect statement. He was an extremely helpful complementary player his first year in the league from a ST perspective and showed flashes during preseason. His athleticism and balance were far and away better than anything we had on the team since a younger, spry Tiki.

Last year, he played in a few games before he got hurt. Games amidst a 0-6 start that saw our offensive line do their best interpretation of swiss cheese. He tries to stop and reverse fields and gets tackled for a loss? YES, where guys are making their first point of contact 4 yards deep behind the LOS that tends to happen.

Jennings is a bonafide starting NFL running back and showed that last season in place of Darren McFadden. Wilson was the unquestioned starter last season (for a reason) and has a chance to be used in a way that will complement his abilities. Williams is an unknown, but looks to be a smart and hungry young guy.

Best scenario .  
Manny in CA : 7/21/2014 7:56 pm : link
O-line (all of it) has outstanding year .

(Fill-in-the-name) pounds & softens the defense (like Jacobs used to do for Bradhaw); Wilson comes in for "Shock & Awe" time.
Wilson had problems with the playbook and he had two years  
Doomster : 7/21/2014 8:57 pm : link
to study it....now he has a new one....

I'm not sold on the neck until he takes some shots.....

He has to hold onto the ball and he has to learn to protect Eli.....
Bad vision? Poor instincts? Bad football player?  
gersh : 7/23/2014 7:57 am : link
The Giants studied every snap the guy took in college and thought he was worth their first pick.
Anyone saying he sucks, please watch the 2012 highlight reel that fredgbrown linked.

Now, to be fair, he clearly hasn't lived up to expectations.
My opinion is that he came in cocky, had trouble picking up aspects of the playbook (blitz pick-up especially) and then had ball security issues that made him very unpopular with TC and really hurt his confidence.

As much as any position in football, RB is all about ability. Wilson has it in spades. IMO, he just needs to get to the point where he just plays instead of thinks. He's a smart kid - it should be by now.

A final thought (guess). Wilson had a neck issue so bad, it required fusion to repair. It is common for such injuries (herniations) to cause arm/hand weakness. That could have contributed to his fumbling problem.
RE: Wilson had problems with the playbook and he had two years  
UConn4523 : 7/23/2014 8:15 am : link
In comment 11775507 Doomster said:
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to study it....now he has a new one....

I'm not sold on the neck until he takes some shots.....

He has to hold onto the ball and he has to learn to protect Eli.....


If fully healed his neck should be stronger than yours or mine. I was always worried about him coming back too soon resulting in injury. As long as the fuse is beyond the 100% point, further injury risk is the same as anyone without that injury.
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