“I don’t know if I can say that I’ve seen enough,” Hamilton said. “I think he is still working to get himself in game shape. His talent is well documented and his ability to be a productive receiver in the league is without a doubt something that we are not questioning, he’s a special talent.”
The talent is undeniable. But how can Nicks not show up for the most important training camp of his life in game shape?
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He was one of my favorite players this team has ever had. It was really hard for me to believe that he had just mailed it in. But if he didn't, what exactly was the issue?
Perhaps for the same reason he sucked during his contract year?
and even-so - the real analysis can take place during the season this year after we see what Nicks and the Colts do - and Eli and the Giants do
It will be real interesting if Nicks season this year is a dog and Eli and the Giants start making hay.
Then I predict that HomerJones will revise his theory to the following: Eli was just prejudiced against Nicks last season and tried to make him look bad on purpose - and now Nicks is so depressed that he can't function on any team - yeah - Eli tried to poisoned him and stepped on his foot intentionally a few times - yeah - then there were the mysterious phone calls where Eli disguised his voice and taunted Nicks - calling him a little girl in WR clothes
He was still recovering from the season before. He didn't go 100% and he tweaked his hamstring I believe in training camp and stayed out longer than usual. I believe it was a week extra.
That was when I thought to myself that he really is in pay day mode. Where you are trying to save that body for the season, and the whole priority is to get paid. I really feel after that 0-6 start, with sacks, and ints, and just a shit show play by all, that's when the towel was thrown in.
That's why I don't really think it's odd. Just an example of someone who went all in to get paid, and tried to plan his actions along with it, and in the end it all went
south.
You can even make the case it probably offended him that Cruz got paid and not Nicks. So once that pay day was going away due to a shitty start of the season and shit show on offense, I guess the attitude became, why try? How am I going to get a TD, when the offense sucks? I can understand it. I don't agree and the way he went out was dreadful, but I can understand his point.
You try to play it safe and gear yourself around showing the team you should have gotten paid first, and the NFL this is what you can do, now pay me. But in the end, that idea went to shit.
I can understand why he'd feel deflated but it had to have run deeper and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some unpublished transgressions along the way. The market spoke loud and clear to him whether it be his health-related risks or personal issues (by comparison - look what Greg Jennings got from the Vikings - a comparable WR coming off injury who is 4-5 years older).
The opportunities for him were there and the indications he wasn't in it were apparent very early - go watch the shit show he put on in the first half of the Jets PS game last year.
He gets hurt... and he never got his mojo back.
I never saw him as a slacker ever...until I had my doubts last year, when you saw plays like in the first Eagles game where he just gave up on a route (and an INT was the result).
Weird thing...he never bitched....he never complained...he said all the right things... he seemed to be a good teammate.
But the Giants pretty much couldn't wait to part ways with him in the offseason.
The whole thing is weird. He should be entering his prime NOW. He's 26 with no serious structural physical issues (i.e., torn ACL). He had minor arthroscopic surgery in February 2013 on the knee.
Yeah, Eli had an off year. We know all of the reasons why, even if Homer doesn't. On the other hand, Cruz was still able to be pretty effective, and Nicks was supposed to ultimately be the better talent, with those huge hands and upper body strength.
TD:
Cruz 6
Randle 4
Myers 4
Nicks 0
Mr. Scatterbrain, please analyze those stats in the context of Eli being the problem.
In comment 11791702 Eric from BBI said:
He gets hurt... and he never got his mojo back.
I never saw him as a slacker ever...until I had my doubts last year, when you saw plays like in the first Eagles game where he just gave up on a route (and an INT was the result).
Weird thing...he never bitched....he never complained...he said all the right things... he seemed to be a good teammate.
But the Giants pretty much couldn't wait to part ways with him in the offseason.
The whole thing is weird. He should be entering his prime NOW. He's 26 with no serious structural physical issues (i.e., torn ACL). He had minor arthroscopic surgery in February 2013 on the knee.
Weird and sad.
Weird and sad.
I don't agree that he was a waste of a pick.. because he played an integral role in us winning the Super Bowl in 2012. I think that alone pretty much made it worth it.
Weird and sad.
Are you kidding? He played a key role in and won a freaking Superbowl. He is was a great pick.
The Tampa 2012 game was the fulcrum, Cruz being extended first seemed to mess with Nicks' head.
This is the same coach saying that Nicks is still getting in game shape.
What did Nicks think in the off-season- that with Wayne coming off a serious injury that Nicks could just waltz right in?
After stealing last year's salary from the Giants maybe he thinks that he can steal this year's from the Colts.
SD,
Yeah true, however, it was a systematic shit show across the board. Forget TDs, our offense sucked at every level. It really was epic in the way they were inept. Mara summed it up perfectly by calling it broken. We saw cracks the prior years but this thing flat out broke.
He gets hurt... and he never got his mojo back.
I never saw him as a slacker ever...until I had my doubts last year, when you saw plays like in the first Eagles game where he just gave up on a route (and an INT was the result).
Weird thing...he never bitched....he never complained...he said all the right things... he seemed to be a good teammate.
But the Giants pretty much couldn't wait to part ways with him in the offseason.
The whole thing is weird. He should be entering his prime NOW. He's 26 with no serious structural physical issues (i.e., torn ACL). He had minor arthroscopic surgery in February 2013 on the knee.
Eric, I agree with that. That TB game where the CB jumped and landed on his foot. That changed it all. That was a turning a point in his career. I don't think that's his personality to bitch and complete. He just stayed quiet and his attitude was displayed via his play. That damn slant route he just stopped on was bull shit. I was watching him the prior play, on the go route. He came back to the LOS later, and then they snapped the ball and the fool flat out stopped. That play made me sour on him.
I agree that the Giants couldn't wait to part ways. I remember the media interviewing Nicks about getting in touch with the team regarding a new contract, and he said they hadn't talked. That was pretty much direct way of saying thanks, but no thanks.
He has no new injuries but all those lower leg injuries add up. It's not like he is the tallest guy or 4.3 guy. So in the end he wins on body position and use of his hands to pluck the ball out of the air. Maybe he isn't happy that he didn't get that pay day. Perhaps, his agent fed him information that he would be wanted based on past success.
Either way, I am glad he is gone. Let's see if OB can stay healthy and contribute now this season.
Pre-draft Nicks was tagged as being lazy. Maybe there is something to that and he hasn't put in the effort to learn the new offense.
He still has plenty of time to impress. I wouldn't write him off yet. But if he doesn't do well with Indy then he is done.
...that we just know nothing about.
Nada.
Who knows?
He comes from a very interesting family background and maybe that has interfered in some way with his personal life that has spilled over into his professional life.
It happens.
I disagree; those points don't say something they say everything. Something is very wrong with Mr. Nicks' approach to the game.
TY Hilton is a damned good receiver, though.
Weird and sad.
Waste of a draft pick? We got 3 and a half years of a top 5-7 WR, and a superbowl out of it.
[quote] I think he is just one of those guys who doesn't really love the game. He may have liked it when he started playing way back when, but at some point it became a means to an end ... women ..... money .... fame. When those ends had been achieved, the game was just a job and from all of my years of watching, never played really, this isn't the kind of game you can last in and overcome all that has to be overcome unless you either love the game or are just a crazy driven competitor type. I think Nicks just lost interest in the game itself. [/quote This may be right on the money. Last year he looked like a different player who was not trying very hard. Unless his injuries disabled him more than is reported.
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[quote] Mr. Scattergun throwing the ball. Tough to score TD's when the ball is consistently thrown 10 feet over your head on the corner route.
We had the 32nd ranked passer in the NFL throwing the ball and it's a big mystery why Nicks didn't score any TD's. [/
YUP. all Eli non fact so for he threw zero TDs it was obviously him and not the guy who skipped OTAs or the guy who half assed his routes.
Great post though. Really.
Weird and sad.
What an absurd, illogical, & frankly stupid post. You can get on him for performance last season, but to call him a 'waste of a draft pick' is ridiculous.
He skipped the team's OTAs and had other issues with the staff's requests, but he actually showed up when "Mr Scattergun" asked him to, to work out with him at UNC -- before he was even officially cleared physically, IIRC.
I know he's only 25 or 26, but not all great players get to play for 10 years or so, sometimes, injuries just catch up to them, and there's not much you can do about it.
So not a lot of business majors on here.