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Has Eli lost the edge?

GiantNatty : 11/10/2014 11:10 am
Before I start, I am a big Eli fan and have been since he got here.

But for YEARS now, his play has been uninspired, unsound, and at times downright lazy. If there's one player that's supposed to be "above the Xs and Os," it's the quarterback. Eli used to have a knack for the big play (and I don't mean a play that goes for a lot of yardage necessarily, I mean a play that helps define a game). Yesterday, the interception he threw toward Beckham in the endzone was the game changer. At that point, the Giants were driving down the field, converting third downs, being patient, keeping the Seahawks on their heels...and then Eli kills that drive by throwing a ball to a well-covered receiver. It was all downhill from there for the entire team. The fumble at the end of the game was just awful, too- that's high school stuff right there.

So how does Eli get a pass? Because his "numbers" are better this year? Because his line is average and he has no receivers (even though the line played well enough yesterday and so did his receivers)? Isn't a good quarterback (never mind a great quarterback) supposed to rise above all that?

When Eli was at the top of his game, the whole team believed in him. There was a time when I used to believe that his presence alone helped the team be competitive (certainly there were quotes from defensive players to the effect of "we know if we keep it close, Eli can win it for us in the end"). After seeing him and the offense struggle for so long now, it's clear the defense has no confidence in him whatsoever. Neither does the offense, it seems. And when one unit can't rely on the other, that's how a team crumble. We've seen it for three years now.

I'm getting tired of the excuses for Eli. I hold him as accountable as anyone, if not more so, for the miserable play we have been seeing for years. Is it time for a change? I can't believe I'm even thinking it, but it may be time to bench Eli. Let's see what taking him out of the starting lineup does to the fire in his belly because for a long time now, he's been playing on nothing but fumes. It looks like he's lost the edge.

Fire away...
No way  
rdt288 : 11/10/2014 11:11 am : link
Eli is playing like a maestro
NOT!!!  
Victor in CT : 11/10/2014 11:12 am : link
Please. I feel sorry for Eli. The team around him sucks.
Did you write this last year..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/10/2014 11:13 am : link
go into a coma, wake up for the INT in the end zone yesterday and just post without watching any of the other 2014 games?

Please tell me you did and we can get some medical personnel to put you back in the coma since the brain still appears to be dead.
Your right  
NYBEN : 11/10/2014 11:14 am : link
for Eli to allow the Seahawks to rush for 350 yards is just inexcusable ..the great QB'S like Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees would have stopped the run and recovered the ball when other team fumbles it.
Eli is not playing like a maestro  
djm : 11/10/2014 11:16 am : link
but he's playing better than any season since 2011. He's not all the way back in my eyes, and the O has a ways to go too, but Eli is showing progress. As the offensive talent improves around him, and it will, Eli's confidence and game will soar.

Eli isn't the problem. He's not the same player from 2011 but that's not really on him. Eli regressed after the O regressed.

Keep building this offense back up and ELi will shine.
No..the defense lost the edge  
Rick in Dallas : 11/10/2014 11:16 am : link
how can you not adjust the defense yesterday to stop Wilson.Defense played like a bunch of dogs yesterday.

Eli has improved his play this year over last year's performance. But as a seasoned veteran QB Eli needs to throw the ball away on the that interception and he knows it.
look at who he has to throw to  
Greg from LI : 11/10/2014 11:17 am : link
Preston Parker is the Giants' #3 WR right now.

Preston Parker.
no since Eli has been getting more and more  
bc4life : 11/10/2014 11:18 am : link
time in the pocket - he is really getting into gear re: new offense.

they need a running game - can't say too much bad about Eli this year. yeah, he's made a few bad decisions, but those have been aberrations for the most part.

first to work, last to leave, dove in head first when tasked with learning a new Offense after 2 SB wins and 10 years in same offense.

Bench Eli? No need to fire away - this thread is analogous to a self inflicted gunshot wound
RE: look at who he has to throw to  
Britt in VA : 11/10/2014 11:18 am : link
In comment 11969941 Greg from LI said:
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Preston Parker is the Giants' #3 WR right now.

Preston Parker.


And the hilarious thing is, he should probably be the second on the depth chart over Randle.
17 TDs  
dep026 : 11/10/2014 11:19 am : link
15 of them is where the WR caught it in the end zone. Your skill players need to make plays. We dont have enough skilled players. We have ONE right now.
good grief  
GeneInCal : 11/10/2014 11:19 am : link
he's having one of his best years as a pro and you're thinking he's lost his edge?
Eli definitely lost the edge  
Patrick77 : 11/10/2014 11:20 am : link
Can't believe he couldn't contain Wilson to the inside on all those QB rushes. What a pussy.
Yes,  
Doomster : 11/10/2014 11:23 am : link
I do.....he had one elite year.....

Every time Eli was under center in 2011, I had a feeling he would do something special in a big moment.....he had a big moment in a 17-17 game, and I am not surprised what happened....
crazy pills  
BigBlueHoo : 11/10/2014 11:29 am : link
so much to disagree with there.

Eli is trying to make the plays that he can with the talent around him. Guy is in a new offense, has a depleted OL, rookie RB, and lost his best receiver for the year. He's protecting the ball much better and trying to make plays where he can.

It's one thing to be disappointed in the outcome of the game yesterday, but when the other team racks up 350 rushing yards on our defense, how can Eli be the scapegoat?

I suggest you take a sabbatical as a Bengals fan for a year, to truly understand what it means to have a disappointing QB.
RE: 17 TDs  
djm : 11/10/2014 11:30 am : link
In comment 11969951 dep026 said:
[quote] 15 of them is where the WR caught it in the end zone. Your skill players need to make plays. We dont have enough skilled players. We have ONE right now. [/quote

INteresting...15 of the 17 TDs came in the EZ...that's a telling stat.
We had more YAC monsters in 2011  
RoadWarriorz : 11/10/2014 11:32 am : link
Most of Eli big plays in 2011 were with big runs after the catch by Nicks and Cruz making people miss.

Before yesterday, hasn't this been  
barens : 11/10/2014 11:42 am : link
Eli's longest stretch without an interception? Yeah, he's really regressing. Oh, and how about that running game.
Eli  
stretch234 : 11/10/2014 11:43 am : link
Parker is the no 3 WR right now. He would have been 5

The current No 1 RB has 9 NFL games and was to be the No 3 RB, plus they now lost another RB. Jennings also needs to be accounted catching passes. Williams does not.

The pass blocking yesterday was not bad at all and they actually had some holes opened running the ball. The RB right now does not see the field well.

Eli is fine

RE: Did you write this last year..  
jeff57 : 11/10/2014 11:44 am : link
In comment 11969904 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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go into a coma, wake up for the INT in the end zone yesterday and just post without watching any of the other 2014 games?

Please tell me you did and we can get some medical personnel to put you back in the coma since the brain still appears to be dead.


Ha. A little cruel, but not far off.

Manning is one player who doesn't deserve the blame for this season.
This is one of his finest  
oldutican : 11/10/2014 11:54 am : link
seasons. But he can't be perfect.
Worst. Post. Ever.  
Canton : 11/10/2014 11:58 am : link
What The Fuck

Hopefully  
Randy in CT : 11/10/2014 12:00 pm : link
you see now how stupid your post was?
WOW  
ShocknAwe80 : 11/10/2014 12:10 pm : link
The utter stupidity of some people...
if it makes you feel better my mother was saying that Eli sucks now... glad you have the same thought process of a woman who knows nothing about football... Lost his edge??? WTF?????
Sheer and utter stupidity!
RE: Did you write this last year..  
ct.fatboy1080 : 11/10/2014 12:17 pm : link
In comment 11969904 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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go into a coma, wake up for the INT in the end zone yesterday and just post without watching any of the other 2014 games?

Please tell me you did and we can get some medical personnel to put you back in the coma since the brain still appears to be dead.


Thanks for saving me on this one...as always a very witty and fitting response!!
lost his edge....lol  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/10/2014 12:22 pm : link
he has no running game or a TE....

Specials are complete garbage with many drives starting inside the 20...

even when the Defense makes a stop we are fair catching punts at the 10yd line most the times...
Could be - too bad Apollo Creed is dead  
rsjem1979 : 11/10/2014 12:26 pm : link
He could train Eli on how to get that edge back, but only after Abby confronts him on a beach.
Yes Eli lost the edge.  
SuperRonJohnson : 11/10/2014 12:34 pm : link
He could not contain on the read option with Wilson at all. Eli just can't play defense like he used to. I think his blocking has become sub par and he just does not hit the hole with any quickness. I think he should just stick to playing QB. He plays that really well!
Not the edge  
old man : 11/10/2014 12:49 pm : link
but maybe some of the deep 'touch' from too much passing. Either that or he still hasnt adjusted to OBJ speed, or Randle/Donnell/Parker lack thereof.
Great conditions yesterday to throw the ball too...  
regulator : 11/10/2014 12:53 pm : link
I mean, look how well Russell Wilson threw (when he threw)...
The damn  
AnishPatel : 11/10/2014 12:57 pm : link
guy is going to set career highs and you post that shit? It's his first INT in 145 passes and want to rip him for it? Shit happens, he threw an INT when he hadn't in so long. You saw how passed he was about it.

He is surrounded by shitty ass talent. What do you expect him to do?
Whenever some starts a thread with..  
JCin332 : 11/10/2014 1:00 pm : link
"I'm a big Eli fan but..."

You know whats coming next...

You sir are an idiot and if you want to see mediocre quarterbacking look no farther than Russell Wilson...
Not even remotely  
NYG07 : 11/10/2014 1:02 pm : link
Eli is still a top 10 quarterback. I feel terrible for him that he has to suffer with this garbage around him. I still believe that with the game on the line in a big spot Eli would drive a team down the field for the winning score. While his salary is a hinderance to building this team, he is the one player that we do not have to worry about.
I have been down on Eli in the past  
JerseyCityJoe : 11/10/2014 1:08 pm : link
and this team has a lot of problems but Eli is not one of them.
RE: Yes,  
Arcanum : 11/10/2014 1:09 pm : link
In comment 11969973 Doomster said:
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I do.....he had one elite year.....

Every time Eli was under center in 2011, I had a feeling he would do something special in a big moment.....he had a big moment in a 17-17 game, and I am not surprised what happened....


Just curious. Who we're is receivers that year ? Who was his running backs that year ? Who was his tight end that ? Who was his o lineman that year ? When you answer all of these. You'll see why
RE: RE: Yes,  
Arcanum : 11/10/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11970347 Arcanum said:
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In comment 11969973 Doomster said:


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I do.....he had one elite year.....

Every time Eli was under center in 2011, I had a feeling he would do something special in a big moment.....he had a big moment in a 17-17 game, and I am not surprised what happened....



Just curious. Who we're is receivers that year ? Who was his running backs that year ? Who was his tight end that ? Who was his o lineman that year ? When you answer all of these. You'll see why


Were*
eli  
Les in TO : 11/10/2014 1:26 pm : link
is a very good QB who has stretches of brilliance. he's also a slow starter to games and can make some boneheaded decisions.

but yesterday was not on Eli or the pick.
Starting to think Giants fans are the more miserable of fanbases.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2014 1:29 pm : link
not only is there an impossible standard of play at times, but the loudest complainers often sound like they haven't even been watching the games be played.
RE: The damn  
Victor in CT : 11/10/2014 1:38 pm : link
In comment 11970302 AnishPatel said:
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guy is going to set career highs and you post that shit? It's his first INT in 145 passes and want to rip him for it? Shit happens, he threw an INT when he hadn't in so long. You saw how passed he was about it.

He is surrounded by shitty ass talent. What do you expect him to do?


And the Randle INT against WAS was a TD, that was a shit call.
Our line  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/10/2014 1:54 pm : link
improved this week to adequate in pass protection but our running game was atrocious. Our top FA O-lineman is still on IR. Yesterday, we relied on our pre-season third string running back (Williams) and our fifth string running back (Cox). Our longest run was an 11-yard reverse to our rookie WR.

Not only that, but he's leading a time that has a defense that he knows will get gashed for the umpteenth time in a row and a special teams unit that likely hasn't been better than its counterpart in years.

The cherry on top was that he was playing on the road at one of the best home-field advantages in football, in the rain, against a defense that was historically good last season, and is 10th in ppg this season and 3rd in ypg this season.

Even generally, who is helping out Eli? Look at our overall WR production this season.



With Cruz going down in Week 4, our most experienced wide receiver is Rueben Randle, who only catches 54% of his targets, and has fewer than 2 yards after the catch per catch and a season-long catch of 27 yards.
Eli has a a HC who is living in the past  
oipolloi : 11/10/2014 3:40 pm : link
get him a HC in tune with today's pass-oriented offenses and he is a top 5 QB in the league
Eli's YPA sucks this year  
bignygfan : 11/10/2014 3:47 pm : link
Not his fault one bit since he is being forced to run this offense but quite telling IMO.

Our offense is just as crappy as our D.
Eli is having a  
mrvax : 11/10/2014 3:48 pm : link
very good season considering the shit he has around him.
I doubt any QB could do better unless he was a running QB that could help the running game.
RE: Eli has a a HC who is living in the past  
NYBEN : 11/10/2014 4:17 pm : link
In comment 11970807 oipolloi said:
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get him a HC in tune with today's pass-oriented offenses and he is a top 5 QB in the league


What????You do know that we have a new offensive coordinator that installed a new QB friendly offense. And you do know that Eli is having one of his best years statistically ever, despite little help from a running game.
Give eli  
Blueblooded808 : 11/10/2014 4:18 pm : link
A legit te,rb,some nfl caliber o-lineman and a defense that doesn't give up a touchdown every drive and Eli will match any qb in the league.i personally feel ready for a new qb.i want mariota but that's only because we're both from Hawaii.i just don't get why Elis mechanics are still horrible and still throws off his back foot or just tosses it up for grabs,gets intercepted and then he has that "what happened " look on his face.then post game interviews it's always we gotta get better,look at game tape,transition good practices to game day blah blah blah blah.im ready for wholesale changes and truly understand disagreement with my assessment and feelings,but that's why I and we express them here with fellow GIANTS fans
Oipolloi...I could not agree more  
NYG07 : 11/10/2014 4:38 pm : link
I can't stand to watch Andre Williams run up the gut for no gain anymore.

Tom Coughlin still thinks this is 1986 and that you win football games by controlling the clock and stubbornly forcing balance on offense.

I love Tom Coughlin and everything he has done for this franchise...but it is time for him to go. We need a new voice. It is a completely different era of football and Coughlin refuses to adapt.
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GMAN4LIFE : 11/10/2014 4:40 pm : link



Dont  
jamesmichaelworm : 11/10/2014 6:54 pm : link
people say Tom brady does more with the least around him in the league????
RE: RE: The damn  
AnishPatel : 11/10/2014 7:00 pm : link
In comment 11970442 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 11970302 AnishPatel said:


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guy is going to set career highs and you post that shit? It's his first INT in 145 passes and want to rip him for it? Shit happens, he threw an INT when he hadn't in so long. You saw how passed he was about it.

He is surrounded by shitty ass talent. What do you expect him to do?



And the Randle INT against WAS was a TD, that was a shit call.


Yeah I don't understand that call. Did they say he had to make a football move in the endzone?

Still 145 passes or so without a damn Int. That's amazing coming from a system where it was a fucking INT every damn game. It's amazing the numbers he is putting up with no running game and garbage surrounding him.
Beckham has played like what, 3 weeks?  
PatersonPlank : 11/10/2014 8:33 pm : link
and he is almost #1.
wtf  
yankees78 : 11/10/2014 8:33 pm : link
BBI is weird
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