Three picks left, but the odds are not great that they will get a future starter in rounds 5, 6, or 7. It's always possible (Bradshaw, Armstead, etc.) but not likely.
Looking at the roster, they still could use some depth/competition on the offensive line, tight end, linebacker, safety.
The one position they probably did not unfortunately address - a position that I consider a pretty big need - is cornerback. I don't like going into the season with Trumaine McBride as the #3 and potential starter if DRC or Prince get hurt again (plus the #3 corner really is a starter).
They also had better pray Victor Cruz can still play at a high level.
The Giants are good at picking up street free agents, late round drafting just isn't their forte.
Good news? If you get three starters out of a draft (and the Giants might have), that's a good draft.
I'm thinking that third corner may not be on roster yet.
I was down on McBride for a while but he has progressed quite a bit.
Maybe Bennett Jackson or Mike Harris will surprise us and step up
Extra draft picks were necessary to begin to replace these guys. Reese instead traded up, and did so for a safety with real coverage limitations, at least down the middle of the field. Trading down would have allowed us to get Strong, an extra third, and keep our fourth. Doing so would have also made me more comfortable taking a player with an injury history like OO in the third. This team has lead the league in injuries the last two seasons.
I like what the Redskins did yesterday, trading back to accumulate more picks (seven today) to replace the bottom of their roster. They understand that extra picks are the best way to get better players. I'd still therefore like to see a trade down today, but Reese seems to hate to do so.
A testament to why today matters: 20 of the 44 starters in Super Bowl 49 were drafted in the fourth round or later.
We have some great scouts. We have some young guys on offense like Donnell, Hartis, Washington, Parker that with an off season under their belt could be major factors in our season next year.
We could nail one of the next 3 picks and find a FA gem. They will probably sign 8-10 UDFA'S as well.
Looking for a TE, CB, LB, WR and DT.
Eric. Jernigan never came close to the production of Randle. Randle had a good year topped by a few excellent games. Jernigan was a two game wonder.
How in the world can you argue the fact they moved up an got arguably the best safety in the draft . Time to try something new an get aggressive
Maybe you'll feel better about it once there are names attached to our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks this year.
We're also talking about a guy who Coughlin benched twice last year.
Let's wait until we say he's officially turned the corner.
I don't like our chances on opening night against the Cowboys, for example, without Cruz.
Still:
1) our run game should be better
2) our passing game should be better (thanks to an improved run game; Vereen, and improvement by Randle, Washington, and others), and
3) our D should be better.
So there's reason to hope.
The Giants filled 3 huge needs already and got the players they just didn't see or wouldn't pay for in free agency. The team is getting younger and I like the dedication to the lines.
Our Giants have to hope Randle plays a little better than last year. If he improves just a little- you now have 2 legit WRs and Cruz won't determine the offensive season.
I feel a little like a Redskin fan now. Feel like we have a winner even before camp starts. It will again take a few games to get the new guys and new D up to speed but I don't see why they can't compete for a division title this year at this point.
that is hard to find, backend development players are still out there in UDFA. If you think quantity is the answer is over quality, you and I see how to build a championship team differently.
I don't see the similarity, Randle always showed the potential just seemed to make boneheaded mistakes and has had off field issues. Jernigan couldn't get on the field.
Randle had as many receptions last year as Calvin Johnson did. I'm not comparing those two, just putting Randle's season in perspective.
TE because there's Donnell, Fells, and no one else. It's a pity that Robinson hasn't done much or really shown he's a capable NFL player. Maybe he shows up this year.
CB because, while I love DRC, Prince, there's not much behind them who are reliable. McBride is an underrated player and made plays when given the chance. I hope he can stay healthy, though. Maybe someone like Mike Harris can step up his game this year. I liked bits of his game while watching last year.
We're also talking about a guy who Coughlin benched twice last year.
Let's wait until we say he's officially turned the corner.
I don't like our chances on opening night against the Cowboys, for example, without Cruz.
Randle situation isn't even close to JJ. Even in his rookie year he was already established as the 3rd WR. Last season he went in as the 2nd receiver. In 2013 he was used as the deep threat in KG offense and average more yards than Cruz and Nicks with a lot less targets than Cruz. When given the same about targets that Cruz got in 2013, he got similar yards. Sometimes I think Giants fans are a tad unrealistic in what they expect from young players.
He has underperformed expectations, but still wouldn't compare him to Jernigan.
He was the 31st ranked WR last year in terms of receptions.
He really was tearing it up in those last few games... hard to believe he's now not even with an NFL team.
I only said there was a possibility for others to step up and that possibility isn't some pipe dream. We have guys who have shown decent ability on the NFL level like Randle and D. Harris.
Beckham/Randle/?
vs
Beckham/Parker/Randle
is just night and day in offensive production from the passing game ... and while the OL clearly needs some bodies, I don't think the Giants have ever drafted an OL in the top ten in my lifetime (and maybe never in franchise history) ... I would have much preferred Parker at #9, Collins at 33, and the best OG available in the 3rd round
Beckham is just too special a talent to waste - and imo by not surrounding him with talent, his talent is being wasted.
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Will be a non-factor this year....it's just not possible....
Impossible things are happening every day.
I get the attitude, and we all know that VC is the one guy who has the resume with the best chances to defy the experts. That's the best we can ask for, but the chances of him being 100% with his great attitude goes from .000001% to .000005%. It's just reality, I'm not wearing the blinders...
I understand what many fans high expectations were but my point they were unrealistic. They wanted a guy taken late in the 2nd to play like a top 10 prospect putting up Madden like numbers. Take a look at the wide receivers taken before him and their status with said drafted teams and then get back to me.
Who? You think "just some guy" is going to help Beckham?
Would love to see us draft another safety today
We're also talking about a guy who Coughlin benched twice last year.
Let's wait until we say he's officially turned the corner.
I don't like our chances on opening night against the Cowboys, for example, without Cruz.
How long did it take fir the light bulb to turn on for Amani?
and still
I- the offense has been improved.
1- there are now 5 bona-fide starting Oline man that can gel together - the right side of the line is massive
2- We have a new running back in Shane Vereen who is going to up the ante on the screen game - also he can block and is an additional facet we didn't have last year
3- We have Harris who is available on third downs and as a screen option and he has some moves too - also he can block and is an addition over last year
4- Larry Donnell is still on the team and has one more year of experience under his belt
5 - Eli is much more comfortable with the new Offense and is going to start out the year not needing 4-6 games to figure things out
6 - Odell is a vet and hopefully will start in game one this year
7- Randell came to catch with Eli during the off-season for the first time this year -- and he - even with his bone-headedness is a nice second receiver option - and had steady production last year even if not spectacular - and there is every reason to believe he can at least repeat last year and possible even do better.
Prognosis - even without Cruz the Offense is better than it was last year - is now in front of the curve and should be better than last year -- and there remains a possibility that Cruz could be an additional bolster for the last half of the season.
II - Special teams is radically improved with Harris, Collins, Castillo, Odiggy, and a couple of others added this off season - I look forward to a better strategic field position this year after kickoffs, punts and returns
III - Defense is also arguably improved - with a new coach - a couple of rookies expected to contribute more physicality and toughness - and some speedy bit players that were added to the linebacker corps and the DLine and backfield -- maybe the FO will still add a few more pieces to the backfield
You can worry about this all you want -- but I see real progress and adding 3 starters in the draft is HUGE and if they show the promise they appear to represent -- it will be even more HUGE
I am therefore not as worried about having Cruz as Eric is -- Cruz is a luxury that we may or may not have -- but we still have improved and may yet improve more
Not sure we've got 5.
And someone is bound to get nicked.
I think Randle can be very productive behind TWO dynamic players ahead of him - but without that, he's literally a nobody. So, with Cruz of 2013, the Giants WR trio of Beckham/Cruz/Randle would be dynamic as hell. But without Cruz, then Randle is a nobody - and it becomes much easier for teams to take Beckham out of the game.
2) I think an 80% Cruz serves the purpose. He will end up serving a role similar to Steve Smith his first couple of years. He will run the underneath stuff and be relied on more than anything to be where he is supposed to be and just catch the ball.
(How's that for optimism?)
the Eagles have a rag tag bunch at QB - and a lot of turnover -- losing some key players - including vets on the front line, terrific receivers and RB - and adding a lot of pieces -- that went well for us last year -- didn't it - it's going to be interesting to see Murray run behind a lesser front line than last year
Washington is improved -- they are the team I am more worried about -- -- it's going to be a tough year in the NFCE -- but I think the Giants have improved and may be up for it
I think Randle can be very productive behind TWO dynamic players ahead of him - but without that, he's literally a nobody. So, with Cruz of 2013, the Giants WR trio of Beckham/Cruz/Randle would be dynamic as hell. But without Cruz, then Randle is a nobody - and it becomes much easier for teams to take Beckham out of the game.
baadbill - yes you need three receivers and as I spelled out -- we have more than three good to very good receiving options besides OBJ -- get off your high horse and smell the roses - Randle, Vereen, Harris, Donnell are a more than adequate number of potions - and still you have Ogletree, Parker and maybe Washington to look to as well -- there is depth to our receiving core that you are not giving it credit for
He really was tearing it up in those last few games... hard to believe he's now not even with an NFL team.
Am I the only person who feels that Parker has spark?
But I went into this draft thinking we were not a year away. So for building blocks, this was phenomenal draft any way you look at it. I was not looking to fill all the holes, there were too many.
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gidie, I couldn't disagree more ... you need three WR to play in today's NFL - that's isn't a luxury, it's a necessity ... and if Cruz isn't ready - but if he's "just another guy", then the Giants WR corp is Beckham and nobody else.
I think Randle can be very productive behind TWO dynamic players ahead of him - but without that, he's literally a nobody. So, with Cruz of 2013, the Giants WR trio of Beckham/Cruz/Randle would be dynamic as hell. But without Cruz, then Randle is a nobody - and it becomes much easier for teams to take Beckham out of the game.
baadbill - yes you need three receivers and as I spelled out -- we have more than three good to very good receiving options besides OBJ -- get off your high horse and smell the roses - Randle, Vereen, Harris, Donnell are a more than adequate number of potions - and still you have Ogletree, Parker and maybe Washington to look to as well -- there is depth to our receiving core that you are not giving it credit for
The only name on that list that adds anything to the passing attack is Vereen - and while he is likely to help out of the backfield with some screens and flairs, he isn't going to attract attention like another #1 would have. My objection is that Beckham is a once in a lifetime type of player - a true franchise type of player - someone you surround with talent, not just a bunch of names.
I think you are totally over-reacting ---- but carry on
Btw, Jernigan sucked for 3 years before he had a few good games- or at least enough to fool John Mara. Randle has improved dramatically each year. Unfortunately for him, he's in the "will never do enough to satisfy the BBI masses" category.
We don't have enough wideouts. You need that 3rd or 4th receiver who is better than the other team's 3rd or 4th db if you want to beat the good teams. Cole Beasley won games for Dallas. The Packers have predicated an entire offense on having 4th wideouts who could beat your 3rd corner.
All you "win it in the trenches" people are living in the past. The NFL has become a game of answers and mix and matchup. We need more answers at wideout and in the back 7.
Btw, Jernigan sucked for 3 years before he had a few good games- or at least enough to fool John Mara. Randle has improved dramatically each year. Unfortunately for him, he's in the "will never do enough to satisfy the BBI masses" category.
We don't have enough wideouts. You need that 3rd or 4th receiver who is better than the other team's 3rd or 4th db if you want to beat the good teams. Cole Beasley won games for Dallas. The Packers have predicated an entire offense on having 4th wideouts who could beat your 3rd corner.
All you "win it in the trenches" people are living in the past. The NFL has become a game of answers and mix and matchup. We need more answers at wideout and in the back 7.
Homer -- that is utter nonsense - the trenches are huge -- because you have no running game without a solid line - and the Cowboys success last year was not predicated on Cole Beasley -- it was predicated on Demarcus Murray running the ball behind that line