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BKehl : 10/22/2015 6:52 pm
I have to say...I've been DYING laughing at the back and forth about my troll status...

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Worse than a family reunion.  
Beezer : 10/23/2015 12:24 pm : link
Sonic Youth : 10/23/2015 12:28 pm : link
Just to back up a little, I didn't mean to come off so strong. But when you say things like:
So it begs the question why should anything you have to say be taken seriously on the subject of Tom and his ability to interact with players? If you had performed better maybe it would have been reflected in your relationship with him.

I don't know what kind of reaction you expected.

The answer is obvious - maybe he should be taken seriously because he played for him for a couple years? Trying to contend that his experiences are irrelevant and useless because of his performance on the field is asinine.

He's speaking from his own personal experiences, and if you want to add in the conjecture that you don't want to take it seriously because you believe it was a product of his on field performance, that's your perogative.

But he doesn't need to prove anything to you. Kehl is speaking about his experiences, and you can draw whatever conclusions from it you want.

Coughlin has been known as a hardass throughout his career, granted moreso at some points during his career than others, but you don't need to shit on a player who's doing a cool thing by coming to the board by telling him "well you sucked, and maybe that's why Coughlin didn't like you, so why do your experiences even matter?"

It's such an over the top reflexive defensive mechanism for a man you've never met.

And it's pretty obvious that there were other plays who didn't always like Coughlin, including those on the Superbowl teams (Strahan...).

So instead of just calling you names and being an asshole back, I wanted to at least point out where I was coming from with my characterization of your tone/comments.
Bryan, I've got to add to those  
RollBlue : 10/23/2015 12:36 pm : link
who appreciate how you handle yourself at camp in Albany. It's the thing I remember most about your time with the Giants. Seemed like a high character guy at the time - what I read today enforces that opinion. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
Some perspective.  
Beezer : 10/23/2015 12:41 pm : link
When my son was a lot younger he asked tons of questions, about players on all his favorite teams. When a question arose about whether or not a guy "sucked" I'd tell him it was relative. Maybe the guy wasnt a top-level player, but what if YOU made it to the NFL? Would you suck?

I'm glad that today he realizes just what level pro athletes are at, and that none of them simply "suck."
RE: .....  
RB^2 : 10/23/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12570234 BrettNYG10 said:
'Suck' is inherently relative - nobody thinks they can outplay any of these guys, but when the compared population is professional players, there will be some bad ones.

That's not to defend some of the ridiculous reactions seen on the forum. To Greg's point, I've played pickup hockey with guys who got cut from junior teams and they were unbelievable - definitely gave me a better appreciation of how elite even the bad players in the professional leagues are.

Like Tanner Glass?
RE: ....  
RB^2 : 10/23/2015 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12570262 BrettNYG10 said:
You know I love bears! Top three animal of all-time (behind dogs, tied with monkeys).

And yes, I have no doubt that if I played against Girardi, Tanner Glass, and John Scott I'd probably never have the puck for more than a couple seconds before getting demolished. These athletes are really impressive.

Fuck bears. Lazy fucks.
RE: 3rd String LB  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12569675 Sour Kraut Kid said:
Got stiffed armed to the ground by a QB and talk like a superstar... You suck and no NFL linebacker should ever let that happen... Go Coughlin and every coach that released you from their team.

Oh, you must be talking about this play? LOL. LOL If getting stiff armed by Vick was the worst part of my time in the NFL...I'll join a long list of capable men...and smile big at the end of the day ;)

You know how many of us..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/23/2015 1:04 pm : link
only dream about getting stiff-armed by an NFL player?

I like Kehl's spunk! And wow, that might be taken a really wrong way....
RE: This is really cool of you to show up like this  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12569681 MarshallOnMontana said:
I didn't get involved in the other thread and I disagree with your take on Coughlin being overrated, but I do concede that from the outside it does appear that he is the type of boss most of us would not enjoy working for in our own occupations. It doesn't surprise me in the least that some of his players may not be the biggest fan of the guy personally. You probably have a lot of company among his former players, but I think your feelings about him personally have an impact on your perception of him as a coach. Curious as to why you are so down on Spags as a coach?

It's cool you would post here and address this.

I have NO IDEA what he is like nowadays...all I can speak for is 2008, 2010-11. (His results in '12 in NO speak for themselves)

But in STL he just lost the locker room. Absolutely a great Defensive mind. No doubt about it. He just has Napoleon complex to the Max!! Almost a bit resentful of guys in if he was mad they made it, and he didn't. Some of the things he said to people - I mean I've seen him cuss out players as if they were a dog. I'm serious. Most NFL coaches will cuss you out. But Spagz was in a league of his own.

Because of that, and poor personnel decisions, STL was a total disaster.
RE: Bryan  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12569684 Matt in SGS said:
thanks for joining BBI and confirming it's you. Over the years we've speculated that we had on Tyrone Wheatley for a little while.

I'm curious about a couple of things during your Giants tenure-

- How much did Plaxico shooting himself distract the team/took the air out of them because up to that point, the Giants were the best team in the NFL in 2008 and after that had to sputter to the finish.

- And you mentioned about players messing with substances. There were rumblings that the Giants secondary (in particular) enjoyed weed a little too much. So much so that even O'Hara pretty much called them out about it in the press to act like professionals. Did you see that as well?

That Plaxico thing totally derailed our season. I mean - 11-1 before he gets arrested....go 1-4 after.

I don't know how much was mental, or just messed with the rhythm of our team. On O - they just started stacking the box, and shut down our run game. On D - we were banged up already, and matched up poorly against Philly who beat us 2 out of 3 that year. So it was many things - but I think we might have made a run if Plax never did that.
Who was your LB coach with the Rams?  
njm : 10/23/2015 1:15 pm : link
I think it might have been someone who grew up across the street from me, and was the younger brother of my childhood best friend. One of the more intense people, even as a kid, I ever knew.
a follow up question about Spags  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2015 1:20 pm : link
Was he more tolerable as a DC in NY than as the HC in STL, as if he felt he had to turn up the intensity on the tough-guy act when he was the head coach?
RE: Bryan, I share the sentiment that it is cool of you to chime in here  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:21 pm : link
In comment 12569693 David in LA said:
Talking about the positives...who were your favorite coaches, and teammates? Who were some underrated guys that you think might have had better careers if they played (besides yourself, of course!)?

Lots of Coaches are dicks, and many players you don't want to spend 5 minutes with. But there are also studs mixed in too.

NY - my fav coach was either Pope or Waffle. Fav teammates: T2, Sintim, Deossie, Chase, Feagles, Tynes, RW, Sam Madison, O Hara, Toomer, Boss.

STL - Lopez and Curtis fav coaches. Players: Laurinaitis, Long, OJ, Dahl, Chamberlain were all studs.

WAS - I really liked Shanahan and Haslett. London Fletcher is head and shoulders above any teammate...and its not even close. Probably the best pro I was ever around. Alexander, Doughty are both close behind.
RE: Welcome and  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12569709 natefit said:
Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.

Not sure how it is now, but when I was there it was surprisingly old school. I think that probably contributes a tad to the soft tissue injuries. Could have used more new school methods. I love Jerry P though - one of the best guys I was ever around in the league.
not sure if you caught this question before Bryan but I think  
GMenLTS : 10/23/2015 1:23 pm : link
most people would be interested in the answer

Welcome and
natefit : 10/22/2015 8:05 pm : link : reply
Im curious to know your thoughts on the Giants S & C program and how you feel it plays into injuries on the field? Thanks.
Even though he..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/23/2015 1:23 pm : link
mostly played for rivals, how could any football fan not marvel at London Fletcher? He might be one of my favorite non-Giants ever from a respect standpoint.

Darrell Green and Roger Staubach are right up there.
ha nevermind  
GMenLTS : 10/23/2015 1:23 pm : link
good timing
RE: I remember lauding Reese for the pick of BKehl  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:25 pm : link
In comment 12569754 PetesHereNow said:
I actually saw BKehl play in college since I went to UNLV and we always played and got whipped by BYU.

I always thought that he was productive enough when he got on the field. He was at least as productive as Reggie Torbor, Danny Clark, Carlos Emmons, and the cast of about 100 linebackers that seems to be constantly evolving yearly.

Do I think TC is a tough guy to work for? Yeah probably. For some reason, he and Kehl didn't seem to get along. It does seem like sour grapes that TC gets criticized and called overrated after Kehl's career is over. But, the gap between the 53rd guy on the roster and the perennial pro bowler probably isn't that great from a talent perspective. So I can see how it might come down to personality conflict from time to time, and so I gotta ask:

When you weren't being played, did you ever go in to see either Spags or TC and be like, "Listen, I'm producing on the field, why aren't I being played?" If so, what was their reaction?

As a rookie, I was too scared to do anything like that. 2nd year - I was stuck behind Boley. They paid him, and he was good at making plays here and there, so I knew there wasn't much I could do. Then they cut me year 3.
Is Coughlin one of the coaches who cusses players?  
Bill L : 10/23/2015 1:26 pm : link
Sometimes I think he could but mostly I have a hard time believing that he does. Perception gets skewed by public persona
RE: Why did you get benched?  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:28 pm : link
In comment 12569763 JohnVB said:
I remember you playing well in a big win vs. the Steelers in 08, then a few games later Chase Blackburn was starting over you. What happened?

As someone else asked earlier, how do you feel about Spags as a coordinator?

Hope you are doing well and thank you for taking the time to interact with the fans.

They never said a word - they just benched me. I started vs SF and Pitt...that pic someone posted of the INT, the guy rolled me up and tore a ligament in my foot, but I played the rest of the game. After the MRI, they didn't think I would be able to play the next week. So they put Chase in for me at Will in practice. I ended up dressing and playing Spec teams...but no D. And then they just left it like that for the rest of the year. Never even said a word to me about it.
yeah, I've never heard a bad word about London Fletcher  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2015 1:28 pm : link
A pro's pro and a helluva player.
RE: Bryan, as a faithful SDSU Aztec...  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12569902 SHO'NUFF said:
Fuck you, Fuck Steve Young, Fuck Ty Detmer, Fuck Jimmer...Bart Oates is ok...Fuck BYU.

LOL...just kidding, man...thanks for posting. I had big hopes for you when we drafted you. Do you think you can get Brandon Jacobs on here?

LOL. Hey, you guys got us when you had Faulk though.
RE: Skiba/uniforms  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12569947 FranknWeezer said:
Hey Bryan. Thanks for stopping by. Hope you will become a fixture on BBI. Random question for you… Most of us on BBI would love to see the 1980s throwback uniforms with "Giants" on the side of the helmet, but obviously the team has not come through for us yet. In your experience, did the players ever ask for these throwbacks to be worn, and/or do you think we will be wearing those uniforms anytime soon? While we are on the subject, how good are Skiba and the Giants equipment staff compared to St. Louis, Washington and Kansas City, and for what reasons (any examples)?

Guys asked for different things all the time. TC is hard to move. I think they got torched by Dallas in those red unis in TC put a ban on them or something. lol.

Yeah, Skiba is the best. That guy cares more about his role than most players on the team!! lol
Oh yeah... I actually do have a few things to add...  
T-Bone : 10/23/2015 1:35 pm : link
Someone mentioned about hearing how Rams players hated Spags back when he was in ST. Louis. I also remember reading an article on here about how he treated both players and personnel while he was the HC there. I specifically remember him supposedly cussing out the equipment manager pretty bad and that guy had been with the organization for a long time. I think someone posted the article either right before or right after we hired him back here earlier this year.

Also, just wanted to commend you for keeping your cool and keeping a good spirit about you Bryan, despite a lot of the stuff said about and to you during your visit here. Very big of you.
for what little it is worth  
idiotsavant : 10/23/2015 1:37 pm : link
I did mock draft Bryan Kehl as well as Goff that year (was it the same year? it blends)

aaaand, have often laughed when the BBI know-it alls attempt to slap down some new poster, wondering "what if that new guys is a current or former player?" hahahaha.

As for me, I truly don't know crap about football, never played, but just for shits and kicks, over ten years later (freebluelove, alligatorpie) have had a very good record of figuring out something that I really have no way of really understanding.
RE: Ha, that's awesome, good to see you're back BK!  
BKehl : 10/23/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12569970 jcn56 said:
Would still love to know how you qualify that you weren't a 'Spags guy'. We've all heard about what a PITA Coughlin could be to work for, but everything you read about Spags makes him sound like the consummate player's coach.

Was it just a schematic issue or was it personal?

It just depends on who the player was. Example - he loves Craig Dahl. Has taken him everywhere. Dahl loves Spagz. Now, go find James Butler and ask him about Spagz and you will get a MUCH different answer.
TC did us a favor by banning those red jerseys lol  
David in LA : 10/23/2015 1:42 pm : link
glad to know he's on the same page as some of us overly superstitious fans.
Bryan, Not sure you saw this, but i'll repost it  
Big Blue '56 : 10/23/2015 1:42 pm : link

I'll echo the sentiments of many BBIers.

Big Blue '56 : 10/22/2015 8:24 pm : link : reply

You say Coughlin is an excellent coach and overrated. It's your opinion of course, but let me draw a parallel here. You laud Mike Shanahan as a brilliant Offensive mind and an excellent HC. Yet, after Elway and Davis left the Broncos I believe he won 1, perhaps 2 playoff games in roughly 15 other seasons. I believe he's living off the reputation that Elway and Davis helped him create and did very little subsequent to their departures.

If anything, he's extremely overrated and his attempt at trying to distance himself from RG III from something he as the HC was almost totally responsible for by indirectly knocking RG III with his statement that Kirk Cousins is capable of winning a SB, which on its face is beyond absurd..

You praise Kyle and the work he's doing in Atlanta as if Atlanta wasn't putting up impressive offensive numbers (with Ryan, White, Jones, Gonzales et al through the years) before he arrived. Offense has not been a problem since Ryan became the franchise, Defense has been..

Regardless, welcome aboard

Interesting....didn't Butler follow Spags to the Rams, though?  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2015 1:42 pm : link
Thanks for taking the time to answer my previous question  
David in LA : 10/23/2015 1:43 pm : link
I think I speak for a lot of Giants fans that we were sad to see Pope leave. Waufle too.
You mention players you enjoyed being around  
Kevin in CT : 10/23/2015 1:46 pm : link
What were your thoughts on Eli compared to other QB's you were around while you were in the league?

Also, how hard was it coming onto a team that just won a Super Bowl and traded up to draft you?
Sean : 10/23/2015 1:47 pm : link
any idea why so many Coughlin teams of that era would start fast and then fade in the second half? Just random?
Not much more to say  
WideRight : 10/23/2015 1:55 pm : link
Brian, I admire you and your NFL career.

Best of luck going forward!
Kehl... there are so many players that never make it  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/23/2015 2:00 pm : link
they try and never get drafted or picked up afterwards... You can say you did it and played with the others.

It may not have ended the way you want it but you went farther than most. Always be proud of that.

quick question, were you married when you played and if so, were there any sports groupies?
Bryan -  
lawguy9801 : 10/23/2015 2:21 pm : link
Thanks so much for coming on here and interacting with the fans. It's a real treat, and that Pit game in 08 when you got that INT was one of my favorite regular season Giants games of the past 10 years.

Question - What was it like going to school and being an athlete at BYU, where the reputation is that people don't have as, as at other schools?
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/23/2015 2:25 pm : link
Awesome of you to do this. Quick 2 questions regarding BBI.

1. Do other players read the forum during the season for shits and giggles?
2. Did you and other players read the game threads and make the game adjustments that the BBI braintrust would lead you to believe that's what is holding us back from being a dynasty?
lol .... Thanks BK  
short lease : 10/23/2015 8:31 pm : link
great Thread ... and thanks for being a good sport about things. : )
Headhunter : 10/23/2015 9:00 pm : link
You're in camp you first year and you know unless you throw up on Coughlins good shoes you are making the team if only because you were a vested draft choice. My questions is the guys brought into camp with no shot of making the roster or practice squad who get minimal practice reps and maybe mop up time at the end of exhibition games, what motivates them to go through the agony of camp knowing they will be released and no one will pick them up? Seems like a fools errand just to say you went to a pro camp with no shot to make it
Route 9 : 10/23/2015 10:42 pm : link
Bryan. Kind of a simple question. What kind of teammates were Tuck and OSI? Any comment about JPP in his first season with the Giants? What do you think of him now? Not including the firework incident.
RC02XX : 10/23/2015 11:04 pm : link
What is the meaning of life? Thanks in advance!
Bryan, what attributes, traits, or practices  
BlueLou : 10/24/2015 4:10 pm : link
enabled Jon Goff to suceed while you didn't? You seemed pretty similar, so far as size and AA went and according to both of your college records' of success and your combine measurables. But he worked his way up to starting Mike LB, and seemed like a TC favorite as well.

Curious that you didn't mention him as a comparison to you. Nor did you mention being friends with him even though you were part of the same draft class, played similar positions, and were even successive draft selections by Reese and co. Was there stiff competition between you two? Enmity perhaps?
RE: Bryan, what attributes, traits, or practices  
Milton : 10/24/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12572234 BlueLou said:
enabled Jon Goff to suceed while you didn't? You seemed pretty similar, so far as size and AA went and according to both of your college records' of success and your combine measurables.
Goff was an ILB prospect and Kehl was an OLB prospect. That's how they were viewed by all the draftniks coming out of college and that's how they were projected by the Giants. They weren't in competition with each other. It was Boley that took reps from Kehl, not Goff.
Here you go, BlueLou....  
Milton : 10/24/2015 4:28 pm : link
From BBI....
4th Round – LB Bryan Kehl, BYU (6-2, 242lbs, 4.68)

SCOUTING REPORT: Two-year starter. Finished the 2007 season with 91 tackles, 11.5 tackles for a loss, 4 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery, and 3 interceptions. Kehl combines good size and athleticism. He is a three-down linebacker with good speed and agility. Changes direction well. Strong. He is not the most aggressive linebacker out there and sometimes struggles to shed. He has very good intangibles – smart, instinctive, intense, and hard working. “Wow, he is really something when you talk to him,” one scout said. “He might have been the best interview at the entire Combine. He’s the kind of person you want on your team.” Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic. “Kehl is just a flat-out player,” said Kehl’s college coach. “He is one of those guys who is always around the football and is a ball hog and makes a lot of plays. I have talked to some people out there and they tell me one thing about this guy, he is not only an athlete but he has got a mind that is absolutely unreal and football is important to him.”


Reese: Bryan Kehl is a linebacker from BYU. We liked him. He is a big athlete, can run, very, very smart, good in coverage. He played in a 3-4 defense as an outside backer. So we think he can play SAM or WILL for us. They are kind of interchangeable in our defense, to be honest with you. So those are things we liked about him. We moved up to get him because there were so many positive things about him. We had some extra picks in the sixth round so we moved up a few spots to pick him. But there is a lot of positive stuff about him – a clean guy. We think he will be a good football player for us; play on all of the special teams right away. We like him that way.

5th Round – LB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt University (6-2, 245lbs, 4.72)

SCOUTING REPORT: Three-year starter. Goff finished the 2007 season with 113 tackles, 6.5 tackles for a loss, 3 sacks, and 2 interceptions. Goff has good size and is well built. There are conflicting reports on his overall athleticism and range. A little on the stiff side and not overly agile. Active and productive. Strong. Goff takes on blocks well and plays strong at the point of attack. He is not strong in man coverage. Excellent intangibles – smart, hardworking, and plays with an attitude. Twice voted team captain. Scored a 29 on the Wonderlic.


Reese: The next man is Jonathan Goff, linebacker from Vanderbilt. We think he is a middle linebacker; very productive; very smart. He can play on all of the special teams. That is a common theme with us – got to play on all of the special teams; a young kid to bring into the fold, start developing some as a backup middle linebacker. He is smart. All of the things that we like about football players, those last two guys. So that was two good picks for us to give us some depth at linebacker and create some competition at some of those positions as well.

All I can say is  
mrvax : 10/24/2015 4:36 pm : link
thanks for posting on here, Bryan. Hope you have a successful post-NFL career.
Anyone know where I can find  
Beezer : 10/24/2015 7:47 pm : link
The camp reports from that year?
Headhunter : 10/24/2015 8:19 pm : link
Molly Pan
RE: try  
Peter in Atl : 10/24/2015 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12572398 Headhunter said:
Molly Pan

Try psychotropic drugs.
Hey Kehl  
trueblueinpw : 10/24/2015 8:38 pm : link
You freaking rock! Your posting is one of the coolest things I've seen around here. We have a lot of smart posters who know a thing or two about a few things but your insight as a player is really amazing. No kidding, you should listen to your wife and get into media. You have the mind the look and the chutzpah to go all the way. Just don't stop being so honest because that is what makes reading your opinions so interesting.

Thanks so much for stopping by. I hope you'll be a regular.
Bkehl: If you're still reading this thread...  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/24/2015 10:12 pm : link
... I have a few questions about your tenure with the Giants that might help resolve some long-standing debates.

1) When Bill Sheridan took over from Spagnuolo, did the defense change much? The results obviously weren't as good. Do you think the problem in 2009 was more coaching or personnel (including injuries)?

2) Any thoughts on Sheridan's successor as linebackers coach, Jim Herrmann?

3) On a scale of 1 to 10:
a) How cheap was Flozell Adams's trip of Justin Tuck; and
b) How badly did the resulting shoulder injury affect Tuck in 2009 and beyond?

4) When he returned from a torn meniscus in 2009, was Osi Umenyiora freelancing and neglecting his assignments? Or was he just doing what the coaches wanted?

5) How does Tom Quinn compare to the other special teams coaches you worked with?

6) Lastly - on topic that spans the Giants and Rams - you hinted that James Butler is not a fan of Spagnuolo. Unlike you, Butler chose to follow Spagnuolo to St. Louis, and he was there throughout Spagnuolo's tenure (though his playing time diminished). What went wrong?

Bryan, thanks again for participating, and best wishes for your future endeavors. It would be great if more ex-Giants would stop by for these AMA-type exchanges.
Awesome thread.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 10/25/2015 8:19 am : link
Thanks for posting Bryan & best wishes to you & your growing brood.
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