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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 8:07 am
Porzingis certainly didn't have any conditioning issues late in Wednesday's game against Philadelphia.

With five minutes to play in the fourth quarter, he gathered the ball at the top of the key, pumped-faked, took two dribbles to get around Nerlens Noel and threw down an uncontested dunk. You can watch the play here.

The dunk was Porzingis’ final basket of the night, leaving him with 17 points to go along with 10 rebounds. He has nine double-doubles in 19 games -- the sixth-highest total in the NBA.

“He’s been pretty good,” Knicks guard Jose Calderon said with a grin.
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will the Warriors ever lose?  
giants#1 : 12/3/2015 8:49 am : link
40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...
KP has a good shot at Rookie of the Year.  
Ira : 12/3/2015 8:51 am : link
He has the best +/- of all rookies and his game has been improving as the season progresses.
RE: will the Warriors ever lose?  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 8:54 am : link
In comment 12658586 giants#1 said:
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40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...


I'm trying to figure out how good the Warriors would be without Curry.
RE: KP has a good shot at Rookie of the Year.  
Deej : 12/3/2015 8:56 am : link
In comment 12658592 Ira said:
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He has the best +/- of all rookies and his game has been improving as the season progresses.


I just said it on the game thread -- he closed he statistical gap on KAT. PER, WS48, PPG, RPG, BPG -- they're pretty even right now.
DRAGOoooooooo!!!!!...  
Torrag : 12/3/2015 9:02 am : link
DRAGOooooooooooooo!!!!.....
What's so weird  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 9:09 am : link
is that in the past 10 years or so, every time there's been a foreign guy who is labeled "3-4 years away" before being drafted, it's usually right on the money. Everyone was SO wrong about this kid.
I loved KP's  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 9:17 am : link
comment to a reporter who asked about the 3-4 year thing. He said something to the effect of "well, I didn't quite understand that, because although I'll definitely improve and be good in 3-4 years, I also feel like I'm good right now." Great stuff.
I still feel like this is some cruel trick being played on us  
Stu11 : 12/3/2015 9:39 am : link
Knicks fans. This doesn't happen for us. We don't have the next big star in the draft fall to us magically. we miss him by one or two tantalizing spots (Westbrook/Curry).
Curry has reached legendary status in my eyes.  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/3/2015 9:45 am : link
He is GREAT at everything not just good. Guy is the best 3 point shooter that I have seen and has a better handle on the ball than anyone in the league.
RE: I still feel like this is some cruel trick being played on us  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 9:46 am : link
In comment 12658751 Stu11 said:
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Knicks fans. This doesn't happen for us. We don't have the next big star in the draft fall to us magically. we miss him by one or two tantalizing spots (Westbrook/Curry).


PORZINGIS
Just wait til  
Doubledeuce22 : 12/3/2015 9:47 am : link
Porzingis grows a little more into his frame. He is going to be all NBA defense.
RE: Curry has reached legendary status in my eyes.  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/3/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12658774 Doubledeuce22 said:
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He is GREAT at everything not just good. Guy is the best 3 point shooter that I have seen and has a better handle on the ball than anyone in the league.


2016 Steph Curry is the closest thing the NBA has ever seen to a basketball Gretzky. He's unreal.
How many wins would the Warriors have without him? That roster looks  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 9:56 am : link
pretty damn average without him.
Its going to be interesting to see how Porzingis adjusts now  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 9:57 am : link
teams are going to start pushing up on him trying to make him put the ball on the deck and drive....

I want him to work on the one dribble pull up, jab step and shoot and his post game...

Melo is great at creating space for himself so i hope those 2 work together and Melo shows him a coupleof things to add...
RE: How many wins would the Warriors have without him? That roster looks  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 9:59 am : link
In comment 12658799 BeerFridge said:
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pretty damn average without him.


They would be an average team....It depends who the PG would be rather than Curry...

You are basically taking their leading scorer off their team, so it depends what you think of Thompson and Barnes..

Those 2 would be the ones to step up in shots and scoring oppurtunities...

I dont think they would suck...
Still  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 9:59 am : link
think Draymond remains underrated by the masses.
RE: RE: Curry has reached legendary status in my eyes.  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:00 am : link
In comment 12658789 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He is GREAT at everything not just good. Guy is the best 3 point shooter that I have seen and has a better handle on the ball than anyone in the league.



2016 Steph Curry is the closest thing the NBA has ever seen to a basketball Gretzky. He's unreal.


In my opinion, Jordan's 2 seasons back to back from 86-88 of averaging 37-5-5 and 35-6-5 were the single two best seasons in NBA history and it's not close. Let's see what Curry finishes up with this season...
Right now,  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:01 am : link
Curry is averaging 32-6-5. I would expect him to finish at around 30-4-4. That's still incredible.
..  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:01 am : link
Livingston/barbosa
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Iguodola
Green/Speights
Bogut/ezeli

They could compete in the east for a 5th or 6th seed...

I think Curry is so good it is kind of diminishing how good Thompson and Green are...
Brief run down of NBA this year  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:03 am : link
East has 11 teams over .500
West has 6 teams over .500

Biggest surprises:
Rookie class has done quite well. Towns, Okafor, Mudiday, Porzingis have been better than expected.
Rick Carlisle remains the 2nd best coach in the NBA. No way Dallas should be this good.
Curry is in another stratosphere.
Paul George is back and dominating.
Drummond may have claimed best center in NBA.

Biggest disappointments:
Pelicans have been a disaster
Rockets/Wizards/Bucks have taken major step backs
Rose has been awful
Harden, Davis, Lillard are putting up points, but not good percentages for them.
Minnesota hasnt taken the step they were suppose too.
RE: Right now,  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12658815 ryanmkeane said:
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Curry is averaging 32-6-5. I would expect him to finish at around 30-4-4. That's still incredible.


Iverson did it in back to back years

2000-01 he averaged 31 5 and 4 and 3 steals

in the following year he averaged 31 6 and 5 and 3 steals...
in 2004  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:05 am : link
Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...
If the Celtics traded for  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:05 am : link
Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.
RE: ..  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12658816 nygiants16 said:
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Livingston/barbosa
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Iguodola
Green/Speights
Bogut/ezeli

They could compete in the east for a 5th or 6th seed...

I think Curry is so good it is kind of diminishing how good Thompson and Green are...


Yeah, that maybe. They would be a good, but not great team. I just was thinking about it because it reminded me of when Jordan left the Bulls and they were pretty good but not great. Where would the Warriors be? They certainly would have to play VERY differently than they do. And without Curry to play off of, I wonder how successful Thompson and Green would be.

I hope it doesn't happen, because I love Steph Curry. He's just so great.
RE: If the Celtics traded for  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:07 am : link
In comment 12658826 ryanmkeane said:
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.


No they couldnt. When healthy, no one is beating Cleveland in the east.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:07 am : link
throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.
RE: I'd  
dep026 : 12/3/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12658834 DanMetroMan said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.


You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.
RE: I'd  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12658834 DanMetroMan said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.


Wow. Interesting. Miami would have to match that, though.
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:08 am : link
In comment 12658831 BeerFridge said:
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Livingston/barbosa
Thompson/Rush
Barnes/Iguodola
Green/Speights
Bogut/ezeli

They could compete in the east for a 5th or 6th seed...

I think Curry is so good it is kind of diminishing how good Thompson and Green are...



Yeah, that maybe. They would be a good, but not great team. I just was thinking about it because it reminded me of when Jordan left the Bulls and they were pretty good but not great. Where would the Warriors be? They certainly would have to play VERY differently than they do. And without Curry to play off of, I wonder how successful Thompson and Green would be.

I hope it doesn't happen, because I love Steph Curry. He's just so great.


If curry left and they added a distributing PG they could still be good because they would hve someone to feed Thompson green and Barnes and they would not have to find their own shot...

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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12658837 dep026 said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.



You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.


Maybe so but I'd give it a go. I'm 100% convinced he's the goods and I think Melo/KP/Whiteside could really do damage. I wouldn't want to face the Knicks if I were the rest of the NBA.
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12658838 BeerFridge said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.



Wow. Interesting. Miami would have to match that, though.


They cant no bird rights...
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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12658838 BeerFridge said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.



Wow. Interesting. Miami would have to match that, though.


No harm in trying. Maybe you get lucky and sell the guy on an expanded role/young co-star vs. the aging Heat? I just think it's an avenue we haven't really discussed but KP/Whiteside could be DEATH to other teams and Melo would have less defensive pressure on him with 2 7 foot monsters behind him.
Nevermind did not realize how much money they have coming off  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:10 am : link
the books...
RE: in 2004  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:11 am : link
In comment 12658825 nygiants16 said:
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...

Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.
People also forget how good Mcgrady was  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:14 am : link
His 2002 season was insane:

32 6 and 7 just insane...
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Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:14 am : link
In comment 12658837 dep026 said:
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You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.

almost the whole league could use a guy like him...and nearly every team is going to have max level cap space.
RE: RE: in 2004  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:15 am : link
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...


Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.


Iverson's shooting was never as good as Curry's is. Not from 2, 3 or the line. Curry shoots as well from 3 as Iverson did for 2 pointers.
Kobe Bryant back to back years  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:16 am : link
2005-2007 first year: 35 5 and 5
second year: 32 5 and 6
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nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12658865 BeerFridge said:
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...


Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.



Iverson's shooting was never as good as Curry's is. Not from 2, 3 or the line. Curry shoots as well from 3 as Iverson did for 2 pointers.


Curry is obviously the better shooter but Iverson was just unreal...he put his body threw hell and did not care...
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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12658864 Enzo said:
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You will have to battle chicago for him. I heard they are enamored with him.


almost the whole league could use a guy like him...and nearly every team is going to have max level cap space.


But we have 2 7 foot whiteys with pull... Phil and KP! wooooooooooo
You get  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:17 am : link
Melo KP and Whiteside and i could play SG...
Warriors, Curry  
Deej : 12/3/2015 10:20 am : link
there are some holes in his game. The pendulum has swung too far re his D -- he's still average at best IMO. That said, he's playing like a guy who was miscalibrated in a video game. Bo Jackson in techmobowl, or Federov in NHL95. And for a guy who isnt super physically gifted like LeBron or Shaq, it's just a wonder.

Without Curry, I dont think the Warriors are bad, but I'd guess they're no better than the 6 seed in the West. I really believe that the difference between great and ok teams in the NBA really is one or two players. You get into trouble when you dont have guys to play the right roles, so other guys have to punch above their weight. Curry leading that offense and being "the guy" lets other guys not shoulder that burden. If Green and Thompson had to be the big dogs, I think holes in their game would be exposed a lot more.
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BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 10:21 am : link
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Iverson averaged 31 8 and 4 with 2 steals...


Good call, those Iverson years were just filthy, all time great.



Iverson's shooting was never as good as Curry's is. Not from 2, 3 or the line. Curry shoots as well from 3 as Iverson did for 2 pointers.



Curry is obviously the better shooter but Iverson was just unreal...he put his body threw hell and did not care...


Absolutely. I don't mean to crap on Iverson - he was great (although as a UConn/Knicks fan I wasn't a big supporter of him). I just want to put Curry's incredible efficiency in perspective. From the counting stats, their performances look similar but Curry is just so much more efficient than any other player playing his position now... and maybe ever.
Porzingis...  
TyreeHelmet : 12/3/2015 10:22 am : link
has been a godsend. He truly is amazing. He plays with Dirk's demeanor but might be a better athlete and definitely a better defender. What a tremendous piece to build around offensively and defensively.

The Sixers are complete garbage. Nerlens Noel looks terrible to me. I don't see how the sixers rebuild will work. It's such a toxic environment to be that bad of an NBA team.
RE: If the Celtics traded for  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12658826 ryanmkeane said:
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.

so they're just magically adding him to their roster without giving up anyone important from it?
Curry is the best shooter I've ever seen  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 10:25 am : link
By a fairly wide margin, too. He's supernatural.
I was the opposite beerfridge,  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 10:25 am : link
i loved watching Iverson play, even as a Knicks fan he was just fun to watch...
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ryanmkeane : 12/3/2015 10:26 am : link
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Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up.


so they're just magically adding him to their roster without giving up anyone important from it?


Didn't say that. But they have 4 first round picks in the upcoming draft, including Brooklyn's unprotected lottery. You think the Knicks wouldn't think hard on that?
wow a frontcourt..  
Italianju : 12/3/2015 10:28 am : link
with KP and Whiteside would be so dominant with blocks and on the boards.

This is def the opposite of what usually happens for the knicks. I guess we were due to get lucky. I mean KP skill set is incredible. You can see how good of a passer he is as well.
I love seeing Milwaukee struggle.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2015 10:28 am : link
So predictable that a team built on defense last season would take a step back with Monroe and Parker introduced into the lineup.
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