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was must see TV...which is pretty rare IMO. He was on a completely different level athletically than most guys in the NBA. In college he was in another universe.

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In comment 12658895 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 12658826 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Anthony, they could absolutely make the Finals with the roster they have. They have the assets to do it as well. I love Brad Stevens and what he's done to coach these kids up. so they're just magically adding him to their roster without giving up anyone important from it? Didn't say that. But they have 4 first round picks in the upcoming draft, including Brooklyn's unprotected lottery. You think the Knicks wouldn't think hard on that?

No I dont, i dont think Phil regresses more and starts trading pieces off to ge tmore draft picks...

He has his future star and current star and now he is going to build around them through free agency...

Melo's contract doe snot hurt their flexibility there is really no reason for the Knicks to trade him..

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Didn't say that. But they have 4 first round picks in the upcoming draft, including Brooklyn's unprotected lottery. You think the Knicks wouldn't think hard on that?

the Brooklyn pick is an exciting asset but most of their other incoming picks have all kinds of protections on them which decrease their value - as we saw this past draft when Charlotte wouldn't accept their trade-up offer. Boston's roster has some nice players but it's lacking star potential. Their best asset is the coach. Regardless, Melo has a no-trade and there's very little chance he waives it to go to Boston.

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So predictable that a team built on defense last season would take a step back with Monroe and Parker introduced into the lineup.

They started regressing last year when they traded Knight away which was Dumb...i still dont understand that trade...

if Melo demanded it and only wanted to go to the Celtics. Don't think either of those will happen. Melo loves KP.

On one level, he's a tremendous young big man who would make the team so much better. On another level, it would be SO, so damned sweet to stick it to the fucking Heat and Pat the Rat after being fucked over by them so many times over the years.

In comment 12658818 dep026 said:

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East has 11 teams over .500 West has 6 teams over .500 Biggest surprises: Rookie class has done quite well. Towns, Okafor, Mudiday, Porzingis have been better than expected. Rick Carlisle remains the 2nd best coach in the NBA. No way Dallas should be this good. Curry is in another stratosphere. Paul George is back and dominating. Drummond may have claimed best center in NBA. Biggest disappointments: Pelicans have been a disaster Rockets/Wizards/Bucks have taken major step backs Rose has been awful Harden, Davis, Lillard are putting up points, but not good percentages for them. Minnesota hasnt taken the step they were suppose too.

We all slept on Paul George. Guy is a top 10 player. For real -- not the top 10 that has 25 players.

I havent seen Mudiay much, but the stats say that he has been dreadful. Historically bad shooting and a ton of TOs. Im not sure I've ever seen a Win Share rate as low as Mudiay's -.119 (even Bennett was essentially a 0 WS48 guy). Worst WS48 guy last year with 800+ minutes (10/game) was Stephenson at -.026.

Not sure why you're down on Minny. 8-10 is pretty good when your three best players are 20 years old. I like their trajectory. And I think they're really smart to have guys like KG, Martin, and Miller there to mold these kids. Vets can really help kids learn the way, and the teams like Philly to go vet free I think are making a HUGE mistake in terms of player development.

They love each other!!

has for an agent?

great talent. 10 cent head. He's a big risk.

long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.

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has for an agent?

Sean Kennedy of Excel. He doesnt have any current, relevant clients. Wouldnt surprise me if HW switched. But in the same 6 agent firm is Goldfeder (Afflalo, Isaiah Thomas, Blake...), Jeff Schwartz (Tyson Chandler, Joe Johnson, Pierce, Kemba, Barnes, AlJeff, Kidd (shouldnt be allowed IMO), MCW, Drummond, Jennings, Love...), and the agents for Clarkson & Middleton.
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has for an agent?

Sean Kennedy

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no way I let Lopez stop me from pursuing Whiteside.

In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:

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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.

can't go by the box score only with Lopez

In comment 12658956 Deej said:

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In comment 12658818 dep026 said: Quote: East has 11 teams over .500 West has 6 teams over .500 Biggest surprises: Rookie class has done quite well. Towns, Okafor, Mudiday, Porzingis have been better than expected. Rick Carlisle remains the 2nd best coach in the NBA. No way Dallas should be this good. Curry is in another stratosphere. Paul George is back and dominating. Drummond may have claimed best center in NBA. Biggest disappointments: Pelicans have been a disaster Rockets/Wizards/Bucks have taken major step backs Rose has been awful Harden, Davis, Lillard are putting up points, but not good percentages for them. Minnesota hasnt taken the step they were suppose too. We all slept on Paul George. Guy is a top 10 player. For real -- not the top 10 that has 25 players. I havent seen Mudiay much, but the stats say that he has been dreadful. Historically bad shooting and a ton of TOs. Im not sure I've ever seen a Win Share rate as low as Mudiay's -.119 (even Bennett was essentially a 0 WS48 guy). Worst WS48 guy last year with 800+ minutes (10/game) was Stephenson at -.026. Not sure why you're down on Minny. 8-10 is pretty good when your three best players are 20 years old. I like their trajectory. And I think they're really smart to have guys like KG, Martin, and Miller there to mold these kids. Vets can really help kids learn the way, and the teams like Philly to go vet free I think are making a HUGE mistake in terms of player development.

Ive seen Mudiday play a few times and came across impressed. He has game and belongs in the league. Denver has been ravished by injuries. They arent very good, so he forces more than he probably should. But I think he can be pretty good. And plus he is only 19.

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In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said: Quote: long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night. can't go by the box score only with Lopez

True, but he isn't even cracking 20 MPG some games. That's concerning.

In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:

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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.

The minute he signed it. But its not atrocious and he definitely serves a purpose. Big guys all are over paid. They could move it if they had to.

In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:

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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.

Lopez played well last night.

In comment 12658981 Jon in NYC said:

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long before this Robin Lopez contract starts to be called really bad? 5/6 in 22 minutes last night.

Its weird. The big thing with Lopez is the word that he's injured. We have no idea what it is, but he says it is "nothing serious". But that was like a month ago, so who knows.

He is driving a lot of good defensive outcomes. But he's been worse than any prior season. If he continues to play like this thru 50 games, contract looks bad. For the time being, I want to believe it is just adjustment/role definition issues or injury or fluke. Injury aside, he game shouldnt fall off a cliff at age 28, especially when he has had success in multiple cities.

usually when he takes him out he is done for the game inthe 3rd...

He usually goes small with lance thomas or comes back with Seraphin...

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Ive seen Mudiday play a few times and came across impressed. He has game and belongs in the league. Denver has been ravished by injuries. They arent very good, so he forces more than he probably should. But I think he can be pretty good. And plus he is only 19.

Im not down on him, though guys with broken, ineffective shots often never resolve that. However, my point was more that I think listing him with the 3 bigs as impressing or being better than expected I think is an odd. IMO he hasnt been one of the 4 standout rookies. That's all. Not a statement about his potential at all.

In comment 12659017 nygiants16 said:

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usually when he takes him out he is done for the game inthe 3rd... He usually goes small with lance thomas or comes back with Seraphin...

Fisher I think doesnt love lesser-athletes at the big. KOQ isnt getting run either.

Re Lopez, he's a role player. There is always a risk in paying role players real money. Some of his struggles on offense IMO have to do with him not playing an appropriate role. With KP more on the perimeter, Melo and Afflalo doing mostly jumpers, Lopez is pressing a little too much to be the post scorer. Trying too many fancy moves down low, and too many runners.

Phil talked all off season about not going small and sticking to a traditional 4 and 5...Phil got that in the off season...

and now Fisher is going small...

he seems to be doing a decent job of protecting the rim and contributing to the overall defensive rebounding effort - which makes him a useful player.

Lopez is so slow with the ball and just in general. The offense seems to slow down significantly when he's in the game.

involved in the offense before, he has always been the defensive guy on a team...I think he has to much on his plate and he is struggling to adjust...

They are posting him up in the middle of the triangle and expecting him to hit cutters or find the open shooter and that is not his game..

he should be on the weakside....

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he seems to be doing a decent job of protecting the rim and contributing to the overall defensive rebounding effort - which makes him a useful player.

The defensive +/- for him isn't all that great.

In comment 12659101 nygiants16 said:

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involved in the offense before, he has always been the defensive guy on a team...I think he has to much on his plate and he is struggling to adjust... They are posting him up in the middle of the triangle and expecting him to hit cutters or find the open shooter and that is not his game.. he should be on the weakside....

His AST% is way up from past years so at the very least he's doing more with these increased opportunities.

max deals (like LeBron, curry, Durant) are overpays. That's how you get a guy to change teams, by paying the most.

So yeah, Lopez was a great value to the Blazers at 6 M per. He's less great now but he's still a valuable player who does all the little things.

My main beef with him is that when he's in the post there are times when he's supposed to shoot. I hate it when that happens.
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reminds me of Fisher (and Jackson coached his dad)
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generally one obsessed with big time athletes but I'm absolutely enamored with Denzel Valentine. Not sure how his game translates to the next level but he seems 100% like a guy Phil would like. I'd love to find a way to add him at the 2.

In comment 12659101 nygiants16 said:

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involved in the offense before, he has always been the defensive guy on a team...I think he has to much on his plate and he is struggling to adjust... They are posting him up in the middle of the triangle and expecting him to hit cutters or find the open shooter and that is not his game.. he should be on the weakside....

Right. I think the answer is a lot more likely to be that we need to stop using him that way, rather than expect it to start working. Which means that KP or Melo needs to start working more out of the post, and/or we need to admit that we dont have the personnel to run an offense through a post/high post big.

He wasnt maxed. I think his contract will basically be role player level again next season. The cap growth is ridiculous.

almost reminds me of players from another era. Unselfish, more smooth than a sick athletes, looks for the extra pass. 100% admit I only recently started paying attention to him but I'm a big fan of his game. 42% from 3 last year, 42% this year

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He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.

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In comment 12659177 Greg from LI said: Quote: . He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.

I feel like those guys work out more often than not.

Lopez will make $13.2 million in 2016-17. The cap is "expected" to be $108 million, and I think it is more likely to go over than under. $14.3 million is 12.2% of a $108 million cap ($13.8 of proj. $89 million cap next year, or 15.5%).

That is decidedly not star money -- max is 25%, 30%, or 35% of the cap based on experience (upto 6 years, 7-9 years, 10+ years, respectively). I find it really hard to wrap my mind around the cap explosion. But to put Lopez's 12-15% of cap usage into 2014-15 terms, off a $63 million cap, it's like Lopez is a $9.5 million player next year, and $7.5 million the following year. Decidedly middle class.

BTW, that cap jump to 108 million next year and seniority issue is why I think Durant takes a 2 year deal with a player option. At middle seniority off an 89 million cap, he can get a deal that starts at $27 million (30% of $89mm) with 7.5% raises. If his long term deal starts a year later, it's $38 million (35% of $108 million) with 7.5% raises. Difference is YUGE.

While Valentine does not possess prototypical NBA athleticism or a great frame, his productivity, skill-level and basketball IQ make him very appealing as a pro prospect. We didn't get a great chance to evaluate his defense, as Kansas' anemic backcourt made him easy to hide and save for the offensive end, and he did struggle somewhat finishing around the basket due to his lack of explosiveness, despite his elite shooting touch. Nevertheless, Valentine's ability to play a variety of different roles, along with his fearless style of play, make it increasingly difficult to count him out as a first round prospect.


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remember Givony mocking me on twitter for suggesting that Lance Thomas could be an NBA player.

Suck it, bitch.

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remember Givony mocking me on twitter for suggesting that Lance Thomas could be an NBA player. Suck it, bitch.

If you won that debate in retrospect, it wasnt by much.

No one on the Knicks plays harder than him.

Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury

also strikes me as a guy built for the college game alá Shabazz Napier. Hope he does well in the nba but I could totally see him as a bench guy for his career. I'm rooting for him, though.

Jimmer did what Jimmer do -- namely, thrill the crowd with some crafty moves around the basket, not shoot nearly as much from behind the arc as his reputation would suggest (1-2 from downtown), chuck some crazy shots and commit some crazy turnovers. Even my former colleague Andy Bailey -- perhaps the biggest Jimmer stan on Earth -- admitted as such:


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In comment 12658586 giants#1 said: Quote: 40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry... I'm trying to figure out how good the Warriors would be without Curry.

Just remember, Curry is NOT a great player ok? He's a great shooter. ok...

--Francesser.

Everyone is on Jimmer's nuts but the 2 dleague Knicks that have stood out to me are Darion Atkins and Bachynski (7'2 white back up center mold)

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Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury

Would have like to see KP napalm Bargs on the low post.

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Everyone is on Jimmer's nuts but the 2 dleague Knicks that have stood out to me are Darion Atkins and Bachynski (7'2 white back up center mold)

Jimmer and Eary were awful from what i saw yesterday and that was pretty much the entire game...

they both just chucked the entire game, Early looked like he had no desire to be there...