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DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 8:07 am
Porzingis certainly didn't have any conditioning issues late in Wednesday's game against Philadelphia.

With five minutes to play in the fourth quarter, he gathered the ball at the top of the key, pumped-faked, took two dribbles to get around Nerlens Noel and threw down an uncontested dunk. You can watch the play here.

The dunk was Porzingis final basket of the night, leaving him with 17 points to go along with 10 rebounds. He has nine double-doubles in 19 games -- the sixth-highest total in the NBA.

Hes been pretty good, Knicks guard Jose Calderon said with a grin.
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Bachynski  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 12:44 pm : link
is a presence out there. He moves reasonably well all things considered (it's amazing how things are now colored by 7'3 KP and the way he moves). A+ timing, I think he's an NBA talent as a backup center. Atkins doesn't look big enough to be an NBA 4 yet he seemingly has really great length for his height. Again, good defensive positioning, seemed like he has an idea out there. I've heard he's pathetic at the FT line which is obviously an issue but didn't see it yesterday.
RE: Bachynski  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12659410 DanMetroMan said:
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is a presence out there. He moves reasonably well all things considered (it's amazing how things are now colored by 7'3 KP and the way he moves). A+ timing, I think he's an NBA talent as a backup center. Atkins doesn't look big enough to be an NBA 4 yet he seemingly has really great length for his height. Again, good defensive positioning, seemed like he has an idea out there. I've heard he's pathetic at the FT line which is obviously an issue but didn't see it yesterday.


I liked Atkins...

Trice i was a little dissappointed in, i wanted to see him run the offense especially with 2 scorers next to him, i wanted to see him set those guys up and he did not do that, he took to many contested shots for my liking...

Point guards need to start to realize with the Knicks you have 2 guys maybe 3 with afflalo that are scorers and you can really rack up the assists if you look to run the offense and set them up for easy looks...

I was dissapointed really in the whole product, i did not go in with high expectations but guys are so selfish in the D league instead of carving out a niche and showing that you can become a role player, players think they can still be stars and just chuck up a bunch of shots thinking if they score a lot they are going to get claled up...no teams ar elooking for role players not superstars....

Early and Fredette i wanted to see them take over, especially Early, i wanted to see the offense run through him, but all he did was take wild layups and made dumb decisions...
Bachynski  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 12:54 pm : link
had 5 blocks and blocked 4.0 per game his final year in Arizona. I really think he might be a nice find.
RE: Bargnani chickening out  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12659363 nygiants16 said:
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Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury


Was hoping for him to be posterized by KP on a patented putback while Bargnani is doing his patented "stare off into space while the ball is coming off the rim". Oh well.
Darion Atkins is a very limited player at this level  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 1:27 pm : link
He's likely never going to develop an offensive game. But he's outstanding at what he does well - defense and boards. He's a tad short for an NBA 4 - he's a legit 6'8" - but he's got long arms, quickness, and a terrific ability to time his blocks. He also sets some crushing picks and passes reasonably well. As an 11/12 guy to provide some interior defense, you can do a lot worse.

Dan - a lot of what you're saying about Valentine would also apply to Brogdon, I think. Very similar players in a lot of ways - about the same size, average athletes but strong and smooth with a big wingspan and hard-nosed defense. Valentine's been a better shooter in the past, but so far this year Brogs is shooting well (41% on threes right now).
RE: RE: RE: Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
Deej : 12/3/2015 1:39 pm : link
In comment 12659202 Jon in NYC said:
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He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.

I feel like those guys work out more often than not.


Not sure. But I also think that scouting plays a big part in it. A lot of these guys dont get drafted high/at all, so when they fail it doesnt seem like a bust. The ones who do get drafted high are probably better athletes than the popular discussion would indicate.
RE: Darion Atkins is a very limited player at this level  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12659519 Greg from LI said:
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He's likely never going to develop an offensive game. But he's outstanding at what he does well - defense and boards. He's a tad short for an NBA 4 - he's a legit 6'8" - but he's got long arms, quickness, and a terrific ability to time his blocks. He also sets some crushing picks and passes reasonably well. As an 11/12 guy to provide some interior defense, you can do a lot worse.

Dan - a lot of what you're saying about Valentine would also apply to Brogdon, I think. Very similar players in a lot of ways - about the same size, average athletes but strong and smooth with a big wingspan and hard-nosed defense. Valentine's been a better shooter in the past, but so far this year Brogs is shooting well (41% on threes right now).


It's funny as I said I generally am all about the athletic freaks with upside but as Jon noted the guys who put up numbers but aren't "great" athletes often surprise. Roy and Lillard for example. I admittedly haven't seen Brogdon (I only noticed Valentine because for some reason 2 games in one week were on when I was at the gym). But as I get older I really notice the guys who play the game with high IQ. I'm not a stuffy old man, I don't have any issue with showboating or simply being a beast who over powers you but watching Valentine was sort of like a throw back. You can tell he legit doesn't care about his numbers offensively which is why his numbers are so impressive. I realize odds are he won't be a Knick but I really love his game from what I've seen. I'll keep an eye out for Brogdon. We discussed Simmons the other day and Simmons does a lot of the little things AND is a freakazoid athlete. Quite a combo.
Here  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 1:42 pm : link
is Valentine vs. BC
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two things have held Brogs back a bit in the past  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 2:11 pm : link
Last year he was prone to some brutal shooting slumps, like in the tournament against MSU when he shot 3-12. That dovetails with the other part - he sometimes is a bit too happy to take outside shots, which he's only averagish at, versus taking the ball to the hoop, which I think he excels at with his strength and long arms. He tries to play a very unselfish game and spread the ball around, but every now and then when he has to carry the team, he gets very aggressive. He almost single-handedly brought us back against UNC in the ACC tournament last year. Scored 22 of our 44 points in the second half to cut a double-digit lead to 2 points with a minute to go (we ended up losing by 4). Had a similar type of game the other night against Ohio State. Our point guard was out which really had the offense out of sync, but he stepped up and had 22 and 6.
RE: Cap explosion  
Vanzetti : 12/3/2015 2:26 pm : link
In comment 12659210 Deej said:
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Lopez will make $13.2 million in 2016-17. The cap is "expected" to be $108 million, and I think it is more likely to go over than under. $14.3 million is 12.2% of a $108 million cap ($13.8 of proj. $89 million cap next year, or 15.5%).



Great post by Deej. With cap expected to rise to 90 million next year and 108 in 2017, a lot of so-so contracts are suddenly going to become bargains, including Melo's deal.

RE: RE: Cap explosion  
Deej : 12/3/2015 2:36 pm : link
In comment 12659639 Vanzetti said:
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Lopez will make $[14.3] million in 2016-17. The cap is "expected" to be $108 million, and I think it is more likely to go over than under. $14.3 million is 12.2% of a $108 million cap ($13.8 of proj. $89 million cap next year, or 15.5%).





Great post by Deej. With cap expected to rise to 90 million next year and 108 in 2017, a lot of so-so contracts are suddenly going to become bargains, including Melo's deal.


Yeah, yet another reason you dont need to rush to trade Melo. As he ages, he gets cap-cheaper. Bracketed a fix to a typo above -- it doesnt change the other #s or percentages I had.
Love the Zingod  
Deej : 12/3/2015 2:39 pm : link
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Porzingis: "Sometimes I see somebody with a Brooklyn hat on, I say, What is that? You need a Knicks hat."


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Kristaps Porzingis is into this Knicks-Nets game: "I know our fans are better than Brooklyns fans."
People wear nets gear around town? lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 2:45 pm : link
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Anthony has a 15%  
arniefez : 12/3/2015 2:48 pm : link
trade escalator that kicks in this summer. Any team that trades for him gives him a 15% raise.
RE: People wear nets gear around town? lol  
Deej : 12/3/2015 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12659672 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The Porzingod is 7'3 and sees all.

Arnie: didnt know that. Thanks. So he's a bit less cap-cheaper. OTOH, he'd have 10 million reasons to accept a trade this offseason (and Im not saying we should or he would):

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'Zingod.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 9m9 minutes ago
Porzingis has been named Rookie of the Month for the Eastern Conference.
RE: 'Zingod.  
Deej : 12/3/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12659703 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 9m9 minutes ago
Porzingis has been named Rookie of the Month for the Eastern Conference.


Covers October & November. Because The Porzingod is all powerful.
not to miller, but...  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:17 pm : link
Okay fine, to miller: how about those Warriors eh?

And Stephen Curry has 5 20-point quarters already this season. Last year's leader, Westbrook, had 4.
RE: not to miller, but...  
Deej : 12/3/2015 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12659731 santacruzom said:
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Okay fine, to miller: how about those Warriors eh?

And Stephen Curry has 5 20-point quarters already this season. Last year's leader, Westbrook, had 4.


Actually, there is a side discussion above re the Warriors. How good are they if you take Curry off the team.
RE: RE: will the Warriors ever lose?  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12658601 BeerFridge said:
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40 pts on just 18 shots for Curry...



I'm trying to figure out how good the Warriors would be without Curry.


Not as good, but they also wouldn't be nearly as good without Draymond Green.
Great recognition for a deserving player!  
GiantsUA : 12/3/2015 3:27 pm : link
He makes the Knicks product very watchable.

I have watched many games including summer league et, but they lost me the middle of last season.
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santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12658809 nygiants16 said:
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pretty damn average without him.



They would be an average team....It depends who the PG would be rather than Curry...


You know what? If Curry did miss time, I wouldn't be shocked if the Warriors played Green at point, or at least had him run the offense from the 3 or 4. It's no accident that he leads the team in assists.
RE: Warriors, Curry  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12658879 Deej said:
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there are some holes in his game. The pendulum has swung too far re his D -- he's still average at best IMO.


I'm not so sure that's true. He moves his feet really well, evades screens, makes on ball steals in addition to playing the passing lanes, contests shots, and seldom is abused or even exploited defensively.
RE: All free agent deals that aren't obviously max players getting  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12659123 BeerFridge said:
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Damn!

It's gonna be a lot of fun watching that guy develop. Good on you Knicks fans.
RE: RE: Valentine is also an outstanding rebounder for his size  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12659183 DanMetroMan said:
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He's the kind of player I usually think "meh, great college player but not athletic enough". But the more I watch him the more I like him.


See... the more I watch a guy like Draymond Green play, the more I come to notice and appreciate all these subtleties that elevate your team from good to great and great to dominant. For example: I can't claim to know shit about screens, and even I can appreciate how awesome Green's screens are compared to others. He doesn't just stand in the way, he times it perfectly and turns his body in a way, maximizes how difficult it will be for the defender to get around, and in several occasions, forces the defender to maneuver in such a way that he gets in the way of another defender! It's awesome.
Currygasm  
Deej : 12/3/2015 3:43 pm : link
at 538
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Jon in NYC : 12/3/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12659287 Deej said:
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remember Givony mocking me on twitter for suggesting that Lance Thomas could be an NBA player.

Suck it, bitch.



If you won that debate in retrospect, it wasnt by much.


A win's a win. Dude acted very holier than thou in the process as well.
ICYMI  
Deej : 12/3/2015 4:35 pm : link
Our 7'3 rookie with 3 point range can also do this, when guarded by a good defensive big in Noel.
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Don't  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 4:38 pm : link
worry team leader Godzingis will keep Whiteside in line.

RE: ICYMI  
BeerFridge : 12/3/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12659896 Deej said:
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Our 7'3 rookie with 3 point range can also do this, when guarded by a good defensive big in Noel. Link - ( New Window )


KP has really great hands. Noel reaches in there to poke the ball out and he instinctively pulls it back to protect it and continues his dribble and gets the easy dunk.

Noel is a good defensive big when he wants to be, but honestly, that was lazy defense. He goes for the steal, stops moving his feet and watches KP go to the rim.
RE: Bargnani chickening out  
djm : 12/3/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12659363 nygiants16 said:
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Will not play tomorrow because of a "hamstring" injury


If that slug played and got shit pushed by Porzingas the universe would big bang itself again. There would simply be nothing left for the human race to accomplish.
RE: Currygasm  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12659779 Deej said:
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Haha...

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In other words, if Golden State could replace its entire offense with just the bottom quartile of Stephen Currys 3-point attempts without him ever being fouled and with them never collecting an offensive rebound they would have the best offense in NBA history by a wide margin.
Washington Post Article on Melo to Wizards  
DCOrange : 12/3/2015 4:52 pm : link
I am a Syracuse guy - this a Melo guy - but I'd love to see him moved as they will never be good enough by the time he begins rusting away.
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RE: Washington Post Article on Melo to Wizards  
Enzo : 12/3/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12659939 DCOrange said:
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I am a Syracuse guy - this a Melo guy - but I'd love to see him moved as they will never be good enough by the time he begins rusting away. Link - ( New Window )

Porter and 2 picks (which will likely be lousy) doesn't get anyone excited. I'd rather just keep Melo.
RE: Washington Post Article on Melo to Wizards  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2015 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12659939 DCOrange said:
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I am a Syracuse guy - this a Melo guy - but I'd love to see him moved as they will never be good enough by the time he begins rusting away. Link - ( New Window )


It literally makes zero sense to trade melo right now
No  
DanMetroMan : 12/3/2015 5:09 pm : link
thank you. That deal stanks. Wizards would have shitty picks and the 2 young chips they have Oubre/Porter aint worth Melo
Don't laugh!!!  
Anakim : 12/3/2015 5:50 pm : link
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
Hawks say they have assigned guard Tim Hardaway, Jr., who started 30 games with NYK last season, and center Edy Tavares to D-League Canton.
RE: Love the Zingod  
mfsd : 12/3/2015 5:58 pm : link
In comment 12659665 Deej said:
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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Porzingis: "Sometimes I see somebody with a Brooklyn hat on, I say, What is that? You need a Knicks hat."





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Stefan Bondy ‏@SBondyNYDN 1h1 hour ago

Kristaps Porzingis is into this Knicks-Nets game: "I know our fans are better than Brooklyns fans."




My man crush on the Zingmeister grows by the day. I fucking love this guy
RE: No  
Deej : 12/3/2015 5:59 pm : link
In comment 12659975 DanMetroMan said:
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thank you. That deal stanks. Wizards would have shitty picks and the 2 young chips they have Oubre/Porter aint worth Melo


Yeah. I'll continue to sound like a broken record, but the return needs to be in the neighborhood of the Love return. Otto Porter and Oubre arent bad pieces, but it's not remotely enough. If my price is too high, so be it. Im happy to keep Melo. But Im reasonably sure that my valuation of Melo is a lot closer to correct than the implied value Lowe put on Melo.
RE: Don't laugh!!!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2015 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12660041 Anakim said:
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Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
Hawks say they have assigned guard Tim Hardaway, Jr., who started 30 games with NYK last season, and center Edy Tavares to D-League Canton.


I honestly thought that coach might get something out of him.
Warriors 19-0 & showing no signs of slowing down.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2015 6:34 pm : link
Just a freaking machine.

RE: Don't laugh!!!  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2015 8:18 pm : link
In comment 12660041 Anakim said:
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Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14s14 seconds ago
Hawks say they have assigned guard Tim Hardaway, Jr., who started 30 games with NYK last season, and center Edy Tavares to D-League Canton.


He'd better not be taking minutes away from my man Joey Hoops
RE: Warriors 19-0 & showing no signs of slowing down.  
santacruzom : 12/3/2015 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12660100 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Just a freaking machine.


*ahem* 20-0.
Porzingis playing at this level 20 games into his rookie season..  
Canton : 12/3/2015 9:28 pm : link
..is unfathomable. We didn't expect this kind of output until next season or even the season after.

If he's this good now. What kind of player will he be in 2-3 seasons? It's so exciting to watch him develop. This kid has the heart and desire to reach his ceiling, if not surpass it.

Lastly, his temperament is a perfect fit NY. He reminds me if Eli in certain ways. He's unflappable.
Davidson won't make graduation exception to honor Curry.  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2015 10:32 pm : link
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Doubledeuce22 : 12/4/2015 12:07 pm : link
In comment 12658834 DanMetroMan said:
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throw a max offer at Whiteside. I think KP/Melo/Whiteside could anchor a title contender.


Whiteside shuts down the lane by himself. Imagine Porzingis helping out. That would be one of the best 4/5 defensive combos in the game and nobody would ever get rebounds. One can wish!
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