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McAdoo will be the NYG head coach

Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:06 pm
Per Anthony Gargano

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@AnthonyLGargano: Hearing McAdoo to the Giants


Also Jordan Raanan just posted stay tuned. So we will see
Isn't Gargano a Philly guy?  
The_Boss : 1/13/2016 8:06 pm : link
How would he know?
Gargano...  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2016 8:07 pm : link
while a douche, is buddies with Spags.
RE: Isn't Gargano a Philly guy?  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:07 pm : link
In comment 12764038 The_Boss said:
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How would he know?


McAdoo could have taken his name out of consideration in Philly.
RE: Isn't Gargano a Philly guy?  
phillygiant : 1/13/2016 8:08 pm : link
In comment 12764038 The_Boss said:
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How would he know?


I know Anthony personally.

He does have contacts in the Ny market

He used to work for the Post
I LIKE THAT!!!  
Glover : 1/13/2016 8:09 pm : link
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If Raanan  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:09 pm : link
Didn't say anything then I'd think this is nothing. Probably both heard something.
If it's McAdoo  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2016 8:09 pm : link
Fine.
ANYONE  
Glover : 1/13/2016 8:09 pm : link
BUT DOUG MARRONE!!!
RE: RE: Isn't Gargano a Philly guy?  
The_Boss : 1/13/2016 8:09 pm : link
In comment 12764047 phillygiant said:
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In comment 12764038 The_Boss said:


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How would he know?



I know Anthony personally.

He does have contacts in the Ny market

He used to work for the Post


Oh ok.
Thanks for the insight.
Hope this is true  
aimrocky : 1/13/2016 8:10 pm : link
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RE: Gargano...  
phillygiant : 1/13/2016 8:11 pm : link
In comment 12764039 Chris in Philly said:
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while a douche, is buddies with Spags.


Douche?

Do you know him personally?
Great . Looks like more mediocrity for  
superspynyg : 1/13/2016 8:11 pm : link
The Giants.
waiting for more before a sticky  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/13/2016 8:12 pm : link
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RE: RE: Gargano...  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 12764061 phillygiant said:
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In comment 12764039 Chris in Philly said:


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while a douche, is buddies with Spags.



Douche?

Do you know him personally?


Ok, presents himself as a douche on the radio every day. Better?
Bold  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:13 pm : link
If it's true I better get my sticky!! Lol I need these Internet points :)
Rumors of him going one way or another  
Enoch : 1/13/2016 8:14 pm : link
could easily be a play by Ben's agent to goose the salary offer from whichever team has offered him the job.
SHOCKER!  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:14 pm : link
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it's really interesting  
DavidinBMNY : 1/13/2016 8:15 pm : link
I hope this is what happens:

1) McAdoo HC
2) Smith as DC
3) Sullivan promoted to OC
4) Philbin as QB coach
RE: Great . Looks like more mediocrity for  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:15 pm : link
In comment 12764063 superspynyg said:
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The Giants.


How does this look like anything, if it's true?

All we know about McAdoo is that he's very well thought of by guys like Tom Coughlin and Mike McCarthy, Eli loves him, and that he was at least able to field a top ten unit as OC.

We have no idea what he is as an HC (which can be scary, yes). We weren't in his interviews or in the office with him.
This thread  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2016 8:15 pm : link
Title is pretty hilarious if this guy turns out to be wrong.
RE: Gargano...  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12764039 Chris in Philly said:
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while a douche, is buddies with Spags.

Can't stand him. And his voice doesn't help matters.
RE: This thread  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2016 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12764077 ryanmkeane said:
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Title is pretty hilarious if this guy turns out to be wrong.


I don't think he is.
Eli Manning  
Pat's Lap Dog : 1/13/2016 8:16 pm : link
should make the announcement.
RE: it's really interesting  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:16 pm : link
In comment 12764075 DavidinBMNY said:
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I hope this is what happens:

1) McAdoo HC
2) Smith as DC
3) Sullivan promoted to OC
4) Philbin as QB coach


Rather Philbin be OC
others confirming now  
Strahan91 : 1/13/2016 8:16 pm : link
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I'm not wrong  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:17 pm : link
Stapleton says the same

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@art_stapleton: Ben McAdoo, an internal favorite from the start, appears to be closing in on a deal to become next head coach of the #Giants, per source.
Works for me  
jcn56 : 1/13/2016 8:17 pm : link
but I'm fully prepared for someone to bash BM in defense of Coughlin, despite the latter endorsing him on the way out.
Give Rick his sticky.  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:17 pm : link
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Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 34s34 seconds ago
Source: "Looking good" for McAdoo to be next Giants head coach.



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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 1m1 minute ago
Ben McAdoo, an internal favorite from the start, appears to be closing in on a deal to become next head coach of the #Giants, per source.
Yes please.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 8:17 pm : link
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Ny daily source  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:17 pm : link
An unconfirmed source has indicated to me that the Giants are planning on naming Ben McAdoo as their HC. Keyword: unconfirmed.
.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/13/2016 8:17 pm : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 16s16 seconds ago
Jordan Raanan Retweeted Anthony Gargano
Hearing this too. With joe Philbin as a potential OC #giants
and a mighty  
BigBlueCane : 1/13/2016 8:18 pm : link
meh is heard.
Philbin  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:18 pm : link
As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2016 8:18 pm : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 1m1 minute ago

Jordan Raanan Retweeted Anthony Gargano

Hearing this too. With joe Philbin as a potential OC #giants
RE: Philbin  
TexasGmenFan : 1/13/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.


has Philbin ever had success..?
graziano tweets:  
odunde : 1/13/2016 8:18 pm : link
Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN 3m3 minutes ago
Source: "Looking good" for McAdoo to be next Giants head coach.

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Another source says Ben McAdoo "closing in on a deal to be next Giants head coach."
No defensive coaches  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:18 pm : link
should be back. Let him pick his own new entire staff
Every beat writer is running with this...looks like this is it  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
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Would've preferred Marrone  
The Hero : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
But can't be mad at this. Let's see what McAdoo can do. Hopefully his learning curve is quick and doesn't waste Eli's last few good years.
RV and Graziano reporting the same thing  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
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Good  
AcidTest : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
move.
Philbin?  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
Eh....
Awesome!  
Sarcastic Sam : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
Huge improvement over Coughlin!
RE: RE: Philbin  
odunde : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:
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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?


won a fucking SB with the pack, so not much....
Good!!!!  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:19 pm : link
Now fix the fucking Defense!!!
RE: RE: RE: Philbin  
odunde : 1/13/2016 8:20 pm : link
In comment 12764107 odunde said:
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In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:


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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?



won a fucking SB with the pack, so not much....


that sounded angrier than i meant it....don't have much of an opinion on philbin.
RE: RE: Philbin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 8:20 pm : link
In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:
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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?


Called plays for Mike McCarthy when the Packers won their super bowl 5 years ago. That's how he got the dolphin job.
RE: RE: Philbin  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:20 pm : link
In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:
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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?


More than Sullivan has. And Im pretty sure he was the OC when Green Bay won the Super Bowl
Philbin  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:21 pm : link
Also got a raw deal in Miami. Didn't like Tannehill. Got silenced by the higher ups.
And if they faill this year  
est1986 : 1/13/2016 8:21 pm : link
Cleaning the whole house.. Jerry set that clock again, your time is almost up!
Ok good...  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2016 8:21 pm : link
Let's get to work. Assemble the staff and then head to the senior bowl baby. Congrats Big Mac!
I am more interested with the defensive side of the ball.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2016 8:21 pm : link
I am fine with Spags staying. What defensive connections does McAdoo have?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2016 8:21 pm : link
Philbin and McAdoo would be on the same page offensively...unlike Coughlin-McAdoo.
I'm fine with this  
BlackLight : 1/13/2016 8:21 pm : link
Offensive continuity is preserved. The team doesn't have to get used to a completely new face at the top.

Folks may grumble, but you can't complain that the team didn't buy what wasn't out there to be bought. Saban, Cowher, Gruden - none were interested in the job. Jackson and Gase both got snapped up before we could make an offer.
Philbin with head coaching experience obviously  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
to support McAdoo if/when needed. Strategically, I don't know a ton about Philbin's offense, but I like his experience.
But seriously  
est1986 : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
I like it because I know Eli likes it...
I'd bet Sullivan stays as QBC, unless he gets a better offer elsewhere  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
That's one position coach there's not a dire need to purge, given his good work with Eli overall.
RE: Philbin  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
In comment 12764115 Big Rick in FL said:
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Also got a raw deal in Miami. Didn't like Tannehill. Got silenced by the higher ups.


He didn't get a raw deal. That locker room was completely out of control.
Philbin  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
Did better then Coughlin the past 4 years.
I warmed up to this over the past week.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
I'm okay with it. Go McAdoo.
RE: RE: RE: Philbin  
shyster : 1/13/2016 8:22 pm : link
In comment 12764111 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:


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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?



Called plays for Mike McCarthy when the Packers won their super bowl 5 years ago. That's how he got the dolphin job.


McCarthy called his own plays until this year.

I'd expect same from McAdoo.
Not thrilled  
illmatic : 1/13/2016 8:23 pm : link
but there weren't many good options. I'd rather have him as OC than HC. All I can say is they better get some damn good coordinators.
Go get'em, Ben.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2016 8:23 pm : link
Please.
RE: Awesome!  
Boy Cord : 1/13/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 12764106 Sarcastic Sam said:
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Huge improvement over Coughlin!


Can't ... tell ... if ... serious.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Philbin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 12764129 shyster said:
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In comment 12764111 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:


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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?



Called plays for Mike McCarthy when the Packers won their super bowl 5 years ago. That's how he got the dolphin job.



McCarthy called his own plays until this year.


I stand corrected.
Philbin  
The Hero : 1/13/2016 8:23 pm : link
Just isn't a head coach. Doesn't have that control of a team. He's a good coordinator though and one we can keep a long time, since I don't think teams will be sniffing at him after the debacle in Miami.
Philbin's  
SethFromAstoria : 1/13/2016 8:23 pm : link
time in the spotlight is done because he was too good an OC for GB that he had to become a head coach. He's boring now because he didn't do amazingly well in Miami in his first HC try. In a division with the Pats
Apparently the Colts wanted Philbin as OL coach  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:24 pm : link
Probably made Mara go ahead and make this move, so McAdoo could get him on staff
Pure speculation, but I'd bet  
jcn56 : 1/13/2016 8:24 pm : link
the delay was to see if Saban would be interested, and these other interviews were for optics only.
Great News!!  
ZogZerg : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
About time....
as long as spags is gone  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
I am good with this
If we keep Spags  
adambear : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
I'll vom
...  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
Quote:
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 51s52 seconds ago
Eli Manning publicly stated he wanted the offense to remain the same. He also did so privately. Big key for McAdoo's candidacy.
didn't think I would live to see the 70s  
BigBlueCane : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
again but here we are.
If true  
RobCarpenter : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
I hope it means new DC and new strength/conditioning coaches.
Strikes me as a smart choice  
Deej : 1/13/2016 8:25 pm : link
and even if it isnt, circle the wagons! He's our coach now.
RE: Apparently the Colts wanted Philbin as OL coach  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 8:26 pm : link
In comment 12764137 Rflairr said:
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Probably made Mara go ahead and make this move, so McAdoo could get him on staff


No kidding.

Might be good to have an OL/TE specialist. I didn't know Philbin was a career offensive line coach till I looked it up.
What happened to wanting head coaching experience?  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 8:26 pm : link
..
Was  
est1986 : 1/13/2016 8:26 pm : link
Mike Francesa actually right in regard to the Giants?
The problem with Philbin  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2016 8:27 pm : link
In Miami is that he wanted Derek Carr. The higher ups wanted to stick with Tannehill. Still was 23-24 heading into this year.
I know this is a good move  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:27 pm : link
Because Stan in LA is against it. We can't lose now.
Ehhh we will see  
bxgiants4 : 1/13/2016 8:27 pm : link
Didn't love any of the candidates

Heard Mcadoo from day 1. Guess the smoke proved there was fire after all
RE: didn't think I would live to see the 70s  
est1986 : 1/13/2016 8:27 pm : link
In comment 12764144 BigBlueCane said:
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again but here we are.


Lmao I like that and you may or may not be wrong.
I like it...  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2016 8:27 pm : link
Philbin as the OC assures the same style offense for Eli (which I am sure played a big part in the decision).

Now go out and hire a new DC.
Well there we go  
hitdog42 : 1/13/2016 8:28 pm : link
And philbin too..... Nice
RE: didn't think I would live to see the 70s  
Rob in CT/NYC : 1/13/2016 8:28 pm : link
In comment 12764144 BigBlueCane said:
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again but here we are.


For someone who has been as dead wrong about so much since you called Tiki Barber a bust, you would think an ounce of humility or self awareness would have emerged. But no, you decided to double down on the aggressive stupidity.
The feeling when McAdoo was brought in was ...  
Boy Cord : 1/13/2016 8:28 pm : link
... that he was HC material. If so, then the Giants liked enough of what they saw even though they probably wanted a few more years as OC under his belt. If they didn't hire him now they would most likely lose him.

I have two words for the Giants: DEE - FENSE!!!

Let's go 3-4 and party like it's 1989.
Let's hope he's the  
The_Boss : 1/13/2016 8:28 pm : link
Next Andy Reid, as he's been described (see the NY Post article Eric posted) but with Super Bowl wins.

I'm very satisfied with this finally becoming official.
At this point there really isn't  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2016 8:29 pm : link
a reason to go with an outside candidate. Since that is done we need a DC immediately. Could Smith be interested in the DC job since a HC job doesn't seem to be in the cards?
If so, I hope they bring in someone like Mike Smith as DC  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 8:29 pm : link
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RE: If true  
sphinx : 1/13/2016 8:29 pm : link
In comment 12764145 RobCarpenter said:
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I hope it means new DC and new strength/conditioning coaches.

Who does Eli want?

Ok with McAdoo given the options  
Chris684 : 1/13/2016 8:29 pm : link
Less excited about Philbin but I guess as OC probably nice that he is on same page as Mac.

The big key here is DC.

Schwartz or Smith please.
Excellent - right move with a 35 year old Eli  
mfsd : 1/13/2016 8:29 pm : link
and I agree about a housecleaning on defense
The Giants  
Matt in SGS : 1/13/2016 8:29 pm : link
Invested too much in him to have him leave. The moment it became clear he was going to be a head coach next season in the NFL, they were going to push TC out.

Let's see if they get Mike Smith as DC and they will have 2 former HC on staff along with Philbin
New York  
Kuhn and Friends : 1/13/2016 8:30 pm : link
Packers!
Just hit the ticker on NFLN  
jcn56 : 1/13/2016 8:30 pm : link
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Great.  
silverfox : 1/13/2016 8:30 pm : link
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
What a disaster  
ghost718 : 1/13/2016 8:31 pm : link
What about  
Pat's Lap Dog : 1/13/2016 8:31 pm : link
The hair style?
They better not make him keep Spags  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:32 pm : link
or they've changed nothing.

Especially with guys like Schwartz, Pettine, and Smith out there
McAdynasty  
Kuhn and Friends : 1/13/2016 8:33 pm : link
Here we come!
RE: New York  
Curtis in VA : 1/13/2016 8:33 pm : link
In comment 12764170 Kuhn and Friends said:
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Packers!


Hopefully the New York Packers will fare better than the New York Broncos did! Haha
DOOMED  
endwerc : 1/13/2016 8:33 pm : link
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RE: RE: Philbin  
KeoweeFan : 1/13/2016 8:33 pm : link
In comment 12764098 TexasGmenFan said:
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In comment 12764093 Big Rick in FL said:


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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.



has Philbin ever had success..?

Only as OC of the Packers. Does that qualify?
Well  
Danny Kanell : 1/13/2016 8:33 pm : link
He's our guy. Let's get behind him. Good luck Coach! Hopefully he's here for 12+ years too.
LOVE THIS!!  
Sean : 1/13/2016 8:34 pm : link
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Can we please get McAdoo  
MookGiants : 1/13/2016 8:34 pm : link
Clothes that fit now that he is head coach
RE: Great.  
SethFromAstoria : 1/13/2016 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12764172 silverfox said:
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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.



Yep. Team wanted to keep things running smoothly with the QB, so they actually will be not bringing in a DC. Just another OC. And they will try to play offense on defense.
Defensive coordinator is the big story.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2016 8:34 pm : link
We'll see.
Fine.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2016 8:34 pm : link
But don't keep Spags.
RE: Defensive coordinator is the big story.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2016 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12764187 bceagle05 said:
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We'll see.


Yup.
Next thread  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:35 pm : link
Does the Mustache Stay????
Interesting  
BigBlue TT : 1/13/2016 8:36 pm : link
Jeff McLaneVerified account
‏@Jeff_McLane
#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Nooooooooooooo  
dpinzow : 1/13/2016 8:36 pm : link
If Spags remains  
SethFromAstoria : 1/13/2016 8:36 pm : link
just do your best to rememver that if he has players above practice squad talent level, he does fairly well coaching D.
RE: Great.  
The_Boss : 1/13/2016 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12764172 silverfox said:
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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.


Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
Don't forget  
YANKEE28 : 1/13/2016 8:36 pm : link
that Robert Nunn, the Giants DL coach also coached with McAdoo and Philbin in Green Bay.

...  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/13/2016 8:37 pm : link
I like it. After seeing Hue come off the board, I thought unless they had a ringer in the wings then this was the choice.

Now we need to see who will command the D, but more importantly how is JR going to improve the roster.
Yup silver fox hates it too  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:37 pm : link
Playoffs here we come!
RE: Interesting  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 8:38 pm : link
In comment 12764192 BigBlue TT said:
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Jeff McLaneVerified account
‏@Jeff_McLane
#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.

Got bluffed.
RE: RE: Great.  
SethFromAstoria : 1/13/2016 8:38 pm : link
In comment 12764198 The_Boss said:
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In comment 12764172 silverfox said:


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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.



Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.


This.

Plus he is our best and most important player. Plus he is upset they got rid of his only pro HC. Plus he had a fantastic season. It's not a bad thought process.
RE: as long as spags is gone  
jlukes : 1/13/2016 8:38 pm : link
In comment 12764141 nygiants16 said:
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I am good with this


Same
RE: RE: Great.  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:39 pm : link
In comment 12764186 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12764172 silverfox said:


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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.




Yep. Team wanted to keep things running smoothly with the QB, so they actually will be not bringing in a DC. Just another OC. And they will try to play offense on defense.


Probably would not go that much worse than things have lately.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2016 8:39 pm : link

Jeff McLane Verified account
‏@Jeff_McLane

#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
RE: If Spags remains  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:39 pm : link
In comment 12764196 SethFromAstoria said:
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just do your best to rememver that if he has players above practice squad talent level, he does fairly well coaching D.


Really because his stints with the Rams and Saints say otherwise.
Not my first choice, but LETS ROLL!  
GiantFilthy : 1/13/2016 8:39 pm : link
Now fix the gosh darn defense because I have a feeling with a couple of added pieces, a young Oline with another year under their belt, and it being year three of this offense, this team is going to put up some points. It would be nice to hold a lead.
MG  
BigBlue TT : 1/13/2016 8:39 pm : link
says Spags stays as DC
Eagles  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/13/2016 8:40 pm : link
So what did they learn about our head coach during this process and exploit?
RE: MG  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 8:40 pm : link
In comment 12764215 BigBlue TT said:
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says Spags stays as DC

Ugh.
The JR countdown is on.  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 1/13/2016 8:40 pm : link
This is his choice; he'll sink or swim with him.
Fine with this...  
Dunedin81 : 1/13/2016 8:40 pm : link
But they need to strengthen the D. Personnel and coaching staff. That's the next priority.
Getting excited about this.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2016 8:40 pm : link
Young coach. Respected. Eli loves him. Hire a good DC Ben.
But being serious  
dpinzow : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
Best of luck to Coach McAdoo, you're in the big chair now. Hopefully you will be a bearded Bill Walsh
It's actually a bold move  
bluepepper : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
A 38 year old with only 2 years as OC and those on losing teams. They're swinging for the fences here and going for a guy who could be in charge here for 10-15 years.
Expected and yet still bull shit.  
Devon : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
Quote:
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 2m2 minutes ago
Plan right now is for Steve Spagnuolo, who interviewed for the NYG HC gig, to remain as defensive coordinator, sources say.
RE: Can we please get McAdoo  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
In comment 12764185 MookGiants said:
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Clothes that fit now that he is head coach


Haha! Favorite post in the thread.

I'm fine with this. It was a pretty uninspiring group of coaches available once it became clear the big fish (Cowher, Saban, Shaw) were staying put. Keeps the continuity for Eli and the offense. Now invest heavily in D and let's go.
........................  
sphinx : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."

RE: RE: MG  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
In comment 12764222 jeff57 said:
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says Spags stays as DC


Ugh.


JFC.
RE: MG  
BlackLight : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
In comment 12764215 BigBlue TT said:
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says Spags stays as DC


People will flip out over this, but it's not a big deal. We know that Spags can coach defense. We need major talent upgrades.
RE: RE: MG  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/13/2016 8:41 pm : link
In comment 12764222 jeff57 said:
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says Spags stays as DC


Ugh.


So the owners and FO are pretty much saying the ineptitude was all because of Coughlin?
shaky  
micky : 1/13/2016 8:42 pm : link
should be interesting to see if they can succeed. Lots of questions to be answered.

Finger crossed this isn't a screw up. hopefully not
Need some more talent on D  
Chip : 1/13/2016 8:42 pm : link
to help Spags.
RE: RE: didn't think I would live to see the 70s  
Mendenhall : 1/13/2016 8:42 pm : link
In comment 12764161 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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again but here we are.


Well said we are in the beginning of a 15 yr down cycle. Team has no talent and no coach. Their franchise QB has 3 seasons left max. They wont win with this talent around him. Then the search begins for a new QB. You know how long that could take? Just ask the Jets.

John Mara is a talent-less executive wh has done nothing in life but get handed the family business. This is going to get ugly.
.  
Anakim : 1/13/2016 8:43 pm : link
Geoff Schwartz ‏@geoffschwartz 59s59 seconds ago
👍👍👏😀 @Giants
Good move  
Arnie D. : 1/13/2016 8:43 pm : link
by the Giants. He's young, not a retread, and by all accounts a leader, who's disciplined and well respected by the players. I applaud Mara for having the guts to take a chance on a guy who he has a strong conviction on. Well done.
RE: MG  
shyster : 1/13/2016 8:43 pm : link
In comment 12764215 BigBlue TT said:
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says Spags stays as DC


Was suggested above that he might have been the source for Gargano to scoop the NY writers. Sign that he was in the loop.

I would have preferred to see Spags replaced. But not by Mike Smith.
It's OFFICIAL  
Glover : 1/13/2016 8:43 pm : link
I LIKE IT!!!
They need to take him clothes shopping  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:43 pm : link
And a real barber too no more doggie shears.
Spags staying is so fucking dumb  
adambear : 1/13/2016 8:44 pm : link
So essentially the wholesale changes are that nothing's changing except we force a hall of fame leader to resign.
RE: Eagles  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 12764219 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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So what did they learn about our head coach during this process and exploit?


Jeff Lurie and Howie Roseman? Probably how McAdoo takes his coffee.
It makes the most sense  
joeinpa : 1/13/2016 8:44 pm : link
If you believe the guy has potential to be a good head coach, how do you let him leave. How could you ever justify to your fan base and yourselves if he leaves, especially to the Eagles, and turns out to be a great coach.

That plus the Eli factor......it just seems like the most sensible thing to do,

I'm really happy with the choice.
Spags was what we wanted last offseason for DC  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/13/2016 8:45 pm : link
Give him a shit roster and we're pissed that he's back? He's not a miracle worker. Bigger issue remains the lack of changes in personnel dept.
RE: ...  
bluepepper : 1/13/2016 8:46 pm : link
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Jeff McLane Verified account
‏@Jeff_McLane

#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.

Wow, 2 interviews 2 job offers. If he's as good a coach as he is an interviewee, we have something here.
We seriously kept everyone except  
adambear : 1/13/2016 8:47 pm : link
our HC.

This is as bad as it gets.
Happy with this choice  
Sonic Youth : 1/13/2016 8:47 pm : link
And would have been happy with Marrone. Marrone had done a great job in Buffalo for one year.

Having said that, I am not happy Spags is staying on as DC. Spags has been a total failure since 2008. I am not hopeful that the D will improve much.

Still think Marrone - McAdoo - Schwartz would have been best, but regardless, I don't mind the Mcadoo hire. We squeeze the last few years of Eli, and if it goes to shit, we blow it all up post Eli.

Keeping both coordinators just reeks of the Coughlin firing being a cosmetic change, however.
watch coughlin takes the eagles job now  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2016 8:47 pm : link
..
I'm glad it's finally over  
Ira : 1/13/2016 8:47 pm : link
if it's really over.
McAdoo did a good job here  
wigs in nyc : 1/13/2016 8:47 pm : link
I'm looking forward to it. Nothing's a sure thing, but I'll sign up for the ride.

I really don't know what some people expected.
RE: Spags was what we wanted last offseason for DC  
D-Rod : 1/13/2016 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12764278 Bold Ruler said:
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Give him a shit roster and we're pissed that he's back? He's not a miracle worker. Bigger issue remains the lack of changes in personnel dept.


Fine with Spags staying as long as it was Macadoo's choice and not a mandate from the owners.
RE: Can we please get McAdoo  
TheMick7 : 1/13/2016 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12764185 MookGiants said:
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Clothes that fit now that he is head coach


Belichick's clothes never fit..I can live w/lack of fashion as long as we win!
Yuck  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2016 8:49 pm : link
it up Geoff Schwartz...McAdoo's first move will be to cut you. (joke)
RE: ........................  
wigs in nyc : 1/13/2016 8:49 pm : link
In comment 12764237 sphinx said:
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."


This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
Just for the giggles  
sphinx : 1/13/2016 8:51 pm : link
Bart Hubbuch ‏@BartHubbuch 4s4 seconds ago
Hey, it worked out well for the Giants the last time they promoted their offensive coordinator. Why not do it again?

If all is true  
old man : 1/13/2016 8:51 pm : link
Let's just support him and staff until they give us reasons to NOT.
GO BIGBLUE!
RE: RE: RE: Great.  
AcidTest : 1/13/2016 8:51 pm : link
In comment 12764207 SethFromAstoria said:
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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.



Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.



This.

Plus he is our best and most important player. Plus he is upset they got rid of his only pro HC. Plus he had a fantastic season. It's not a bad thought process.


Agreed.
RE: RE: ........................  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:51 pm : link
In comment 12764310 wigs in nyc said:
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In comment 12764237 sphinx said:


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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."




This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.


No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
RE: Spags was what we wanted last offseason for DC  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/13/2016 8:51 pm : link
In comment 12764278 Bold Ruler said:
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Give him a shit roster and we're pissed that he's back? He's not a miracle worker. Bigger issue remains the lack of changes in personnel dept.

This. I'm not totally down on Spags as a coach, the Giants stayed in games early this season due exclusively to the D (the turnover machine the first 8 games). Things fell apart really when Prince and Kennard first got hurt, and went down hill when Hankins went down.

The part I dont like about this is from all the press conferences the Giants have had I'm expecting a large chunk of their available resources to go to the D, and if we dont see immediate improvement I dont like a first year coach having to deal with media / fan frenzy to fire one of his coordinators. With a new DC you at least buy yourself a year.
Now I can sleep  
rdt288 : 1/13/2016 8:51 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: ........................  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12764332 Rflairr said:
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In comment 12764237 sphinx said:


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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."




This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.



No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.


Even when they directly say otherwise and already placed the blame on the GM in a very public fashion?

Not sure what people are looking for here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ........................  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 8:54 pm : link
In comment 12764343 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."




This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.



No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.



Even when they directly say otherwise and already placed the blame on the GM in a very public fashion?

Not sure what people are looking for here.


That blaming the GM stuff, was just out of respect for Tom. If they really blamed Reese, he would have been fired.
RE: RE: RE: ........................  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/13/2016 8:54 pm : link
In comment 12764332 Rflairr said:
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In comment 12764237 sphinx said:


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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."




This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.



No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.

Would you classify what the Bucs did to Lovie the same way? Basically the Giants situation has mirrored the Bucs. Pushed out the HC in order to promote the young OC whom was gaining steam as a serious candidate around the league.
RE: The JR countdown is on.  
blueblood : 1/13/2016 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12764223 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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This is his choice; he'll sink or swim with him.



will someone put a countdown clock in his office ?
Flair  
wigs in nyc : 1/13/2016 8:56 pm : link
Noone's saying anything. There is no reason to get caught up in what the narrative looks like- it's entirely self created.

There was a lot wrong with the team. ONE of the changes was a new voice at the helm after 12 years. And I wanted them to keep Tom! But there's no reason to behave like theyre pinning this all on him. It'll be a different offense.
I figured this would happen  
blueblood : 1/13/2016 8:56 pm : link
once we started seeing reports that Marrone was headed to the Titans to interview and reports were surfacing that the Eagles were seriously interested.
RE: Just for the giggles  
Shadow : 1/13/2016 8:56 pm : link
In comment 12764328 sphinx said:
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Bart Hubbuch ‏@BartHubbuch 4s4 seconds ago
Hey, it worked out well for the Giants the last time they promoted their offensive coordinator. Why not do it again?


He was running backs coach until Earnhardt left two week prior but
Hey it makes good print so screw the facts
Francesa mentioned this on his shows  
SethFromAstoria : 1/13/2016 8:56 pm : link
thought it was interesting to see who wrote this too.

Quote:

Bright, who stayed behind the scenes from the time he purchased the Cowboys in March 1984, until he criticized Landry's play-calling after a loss to Atlanta in 1987, was almost cold in discussing Landry's departure.

"This is a new generation of coaches and ownership," Bright said with emphasis. "This must evolve. It happens in every business."

The Cowboys offices have been inundated the last few days with calls in defense of Landry. But during the last three losing seasons, there have been almost as many calls criticizing Landry.

And now it will be Johnson who will have to deal with the pressures of not only coaching the NFL's most visible team, but following a legend.

Johnson won one national championship at Miami and came close on another two. Jones said he expects to win this season, but considering the Cowboys talent level, that might be tough.

History Repeats Itself. Just With a Better Team And Better Owner - ( New Window )
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2016 8:57 pm : link
Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 4m4 minutes ago Bronx, NY

Giants needed to move on this. Lots of rumblings that Philly has Mcadoo atop its HC list.
Like this better than Smith or Marrone  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/13/2016 8:57 pm : link
I'm not a huge fan of the move but it makes sense on a lot of levels and I hope he is ready for it.

From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.

He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.

Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
'It'll be a different offense.'?  
sphinx : 1/13/2016 8:57 pm : link
Better not be - Eli

I like an experienced OC in Philbin too...  
Simms11 : 1/13/2016 8:59 pm : link
With Head Coach experience. That should be a positive for this offense. will be interesting to see who the DC will be?! I don't think it's Spags because it can't be more of the same on that side. And hopefully Mac will be better at game and time management.
Over/under how long he is coach  
giantsfan227B : 1/13/2016 8:59 pm : link
I say 3 years. Honestly if it isn't turned around soon I think both JR and McAdoo will be fired.
ok  
Route 9 : 1/13/2016 8:59 pm : link
....
the whole process  
sundayatone : 1/13/2016 9:00 pm : link
was travesty of a mockery of a sham
What a joke..  
prdave73 : 1/13/2016 9:00 pm : link
Wow. In a way I saw this coming, it's the Giants Org..
RE: Need some more talent on D  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 9:02 pm : link
In comment 12764250 Chip said:
Quote:
to help Spags.


If so, we should have kept Perry Fewell. Defense was short on talent last season. And he won a super bowl. And he didn't have defensive disasters with two other teams.
maybe it will be like when  
sundayatone : 1/13/2016 9:03 pm : link
geroge seifert replaced bill walsh,i doubt it.
RE: What a joke..  
SethFromAstoria : 1/13/2016 9:03 pm : link
In comment 12764410 prdave73 said:
Quote:
Wow. In a way I saw this coming, it's the Giants Org..


Jet fan. No doubt.
Now the big question:  
SHO'NUFF : 1/13/2016 9:04 pm : link
Is Tom Quinn safe?
RE: Like this better than Smith or Marrone  
David in LA : 1/13/2016 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12764381 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I'm not a huge fan of the move but it makes sense on a lot of levels and I hope he is ready for it.

From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.

He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.

Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.


Great post as always Osi. I'm not as down on Marrone, and thought either him or McAdoo would be the best outside of the obvious "big fish" that were obviously not motivated to jump back in the NFL.
RE: What a joke..  
wigs in nyc : 1/13/2016 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12764410 prdave73 said:
Quote:
Wow. In a way I saw this coming, it's the Giants Org..


The Org that's given us two Superbowls in the last decade.
RE: maybe it will be like when  
David in LA : 1/13/2016 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12764429 sundayatone said:
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geroge seifert replaced bill walsh,i doubt it.


Seifert took over an already dominant team. Bill Walsh was still a great coach towards the end of his tenure, TC not so much.
RE: Now the big question:  
jeff57 : 1/13/2016 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12764434 SHO'NUFF said:
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Is Tom Quinn safe?


You really have to ask? Click, click.
I doubted the "dog and pony show" stuff  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/13/2016 9:07 pm : link
Now it seems that McAdoo was the plan, and Coughlin was pushed out out of fear of losing McAdoo.
Go figure, the idiots that complained about Coughlin  
Rob in CT/NYC : 1/13/2016 9:07 pm : link
Complain about his replacement, without having offered anything of substance. Do we need more proof that they are just here to complain?

Must be awful looking at the world through shit-colored glasses...
Very disappointed  
oldutican : 1/13/2016 9:07 pm : link
but hope I wrong.
Like I said  
M.S. : 1/13/2016 9:10 pm : link
McAdoo...
M.S. : 1/9/2016 11:49 am : link : reply

...is a shoe-in.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ........................  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 9:10 pm : link
In comment 12764357 Rflairr said:
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."




This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.



No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.



Even when they directly say otherwise and already placed the blame on the GM in a very public fashion?

Not sure what people are looking for here.



That blaming the GM stuff, was just out of respect for Tom. If they really blamed Reese, he would have been fired.


It's a mistake to think that the only form of accountability and correction is firing someone.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2016 9:11 pm : link
Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 3m3 minutes ago

Last time McAdoo-Philbin shared sideline? Their 15-1 Packers were upset, 37-20, in NFC divisional rd by eventual SB champion Giants in 2011.
...  
yankees78 : 1/13/2016 9:11 pm : link
McAdoodle
Let's face it, the Mannings run this  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:12 pm : link
franchise. Should have kept TC.
RE: Yuck  
bigbluehoya : 1/13/2016 9:15 pm : link
In comment 12764309 Eric from BBI said:
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it up Geoff Schwartz...McAdoo's first move will be to cut you. (joke)


If he doesn't, it'll be his first mistake.
RE: Let's face it, the Mannings run this  
Anakim : 1/13/2016 9:15 pm : link
In comment 12764493 RDJR said:
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franchise. Should have kept TC.




Uhhhhh, what?
.  
Canton : 1/13/2016 9:15 pm : link
@giantswfan: FYI - Gase (dolphins) 37 and McAdoo (NYG) 38, would become the two youngest head coaches in NFL for 2016 season
.  
Canton : 1/13/2016 9:16 pm : link
@kingchuck810: If the Giants enter 2015 with McAdoo as HC, Spags as DC and Philbin as OC and somehow manage to get Coughlin a job upstairs... that's a win.
RE: RE: Let's face it, the Mannings run this  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:17 pm : link
In comment 12764512 Anakim said:
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franchise. Should have kept TC.





Uhhhhh, what?


Promoting Eli's coach after two 6-10 seasons. Enough said.
I like the move  
timintey : 1/13/2016 9:19 pm : link
This is a huge offseason. Need to hit on at least 4 draft picks and pick up a couple of F/As. Coaching wasn't the problem with this team. The number of NFL-caliber players is...
Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 9:19 pm : link
responsible for anything more than the offense.



What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
RE: Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12764545 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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responsible for anything more than the offense.



What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.


Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Also, I thought a culture change is something an owner looks  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:23 pm : link
for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?
RE: What a joke..  
AP in Halfmoon : 1/13/2016 9:30 pm : link
In comment 12764410 prdave73 said:
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Wow. In a way I saw this coming, it's the Giants Org..


Why are you a fan
RE: Also, I thought a culture change is something an owner looks  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2016 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12764571 RDJR said:
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for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?


Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.
RE: Go figure, the idiots that complained about Coughlin  
AP in Halfmoon : 1/13/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12764452 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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Complain about his replacement, without having offered anything of substance. Do we need more proof that they are just here to complain?

Must be awful looking at the world through shit-colored glasses...


Well they are consistent, miserable but consistent
RE: RE: Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12764554 RDJR said:
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responsible for anything more than the offense.



What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.



Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.


Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
RE: RE: Also, I thought a culture change is something an owner looks  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:34 pm : link
In comment 12764624 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?



Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.


He was in that losing locker room for two seasons. How did we run the ball? His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?
I hope they just hired their HC  
Rick5 : 1/13/2016 9:34 pm : link
for the next 10+ years.
RE: RE: RE: Also, I thought a culture change is something an owner looks  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2016 9:35 pm : link
In comment 12764647 RDJR said:
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for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?



Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.



He was in that losing locker room for two seasons. How did we run the ball? His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?


Eli was in the lockerroom, too. As was Spags who is coming back. McAdoo fixed the offense as soon as he got here and the QB had two of the best years of his career these past two years.
Eli obviously backed McAdoo, but if the Mannings were running things,  
Devon : 1/13/2016 9:35 pm : link
TC never would have been forced out.
Good  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2016 9:35 pm : link
move. Respected in org, has a track record of success. Think the Philbin move is even better. Shore up the OL, symmetry between the HC and OC for a change.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:35 pm : link
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responsible for anything more than the offense.



What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.



Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.



Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.


Hence my original comment about the Mannings. And let's face it, there were times when the offense was absolutely abysmal.
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GiantFilthy : 1/13/2016 9:36 pm : link
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RDJR : 9:34 pm : link : reply
His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?


An extremely small sample size happened.
Worst red zone offense in the league  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 9:37 pm : link
I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 9:38 pm : link
In comment 12764658 RDJR said:
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responsible for anything more than the offense.



What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.



Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.



Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.



Hence my original comment about the Mannings. And let's face it, there were times when the offense was absolutely abysmal.


There were times when the offense was abysmal under gilbride, in years they were a top 10 scoring offense. it happens.
Small sample size that isn't worth a damn thing, but Eli's stats  
Devon : 1/13/2016 9:39 pm : link
from 2014 before Beckham:

7.01 YPA, 2.25 TD/G, 66.9%, 93.6 passer rating

Eli's stats from 2014 after Beckham:

7.44 YPA, 1.75 TD/G, 61.9%, 91.7 passer rating
RE: Worst red zone offense in the league  
Devon : 1/13/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12764669 Rflairr said:
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I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.


They were 8th in 2014 in the RZ and McAdoo was actually in charge of a lot of the RZ concepts his last year in GB.

They had issues down there in 2015, obviously, but he's not permanently incompetent down there.
RE: I hope they just hired their HC  
HomerJones45 : 1/13/2016 9:42 pm : link
In comment 12764651 Rick5 said:
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for the next 10+ years.
we all hope for that
Their best red zone threats either lost their foot to mrsa  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 9:43 pm : link
Or had a clunker of a season and then got hurt. That's about 10 touchdowns from TEs in 2014 that were missing in 2015.
I just sat back and said, "I'm all in on McAdoo."  
RDJR : 1/13/2016 9:43 pm : link
I root for the franchise and he's the coach. Wanted a defensive guy in here, but I'm all in. I'm done fighting it. Best of luck Coach and Let's Go Giants!!
ugh  
mdc1 : 1/13/2016 9:44 pm : link
NY Packers soft football
Lol  
feelflows : 1/13/2016 9:44 pm : link
I adore how the first page of this important thread was about what a douche Gargano is...and he DOES come off as such.
RE: RE: Worst red zone offense in the league  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12764682 Devon said:
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I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.



They were 8th in 2014 in the RZ and McAdoo was actually in charge of a lot of the RZ concepts his last year in GB.

They had issues down there in 2015, obviously, but he's not permanently incompetent down there.


Considering how many close games they dropped this season. You can make the case that his units shiitty performance in the RZ, is just as responsible for this season as the defense. Yet hes been promoted.
You know what? I'm cool with it if it's good for Eli  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/13/2016 9:45 pm : link
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RE: Worst red zone offense in the league  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2016 9:50 pm : link
In comment 12764669 Rflairr said:
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I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.


Alot of people feel that same exact way re: Reese keeping his job. *shrug*
Awesome! Very excited  
GiantTuff1 : 1/13/2016 9:51 pm : link
Way to go Mac and go Giants. I kinda called it.

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GiantTuff1 : 1/11/2016 10:00 am : link : reply
IMO, McAdoo was brought in here as a coach in waiting, despite what they say. I believe he was an owner and a Reese pick to succeed TC if all went well. With little talent, he's done very well, only backing up the high opinions he is beginning to garner around league circles. As with personell it's better to get rid of your old coach a year or two too early to be set up for the next decade plus if you believe in who you can hire.

Plus they know what he's capable of, know whether TC was holding him back to any degree, and he's been here -- knows Eli, etc.

I think Eli quickly saw what McAdoo was doing was working, and that maybe the the old ball coach was inhibiting things a little, and during the sad press conference day I couldn't help but feel that perhaps Eli inadvertently felt like he put the slug in TC by answering how much McAdoo helped him, only reaffirming the front offices opinion that McAdoo is the right guy.

From a PR standpoint, Giants know McAdoo is young, he's not a sexy name. So from a public standpoint you have to cast a wider net that their usual 3-4 candidates to make it seem like wow, we've turned over every stone and Ben is by far and away the best. Let the emotions of TC's departure fade as well. It's been a week, the buzz is down. I'd expect something by around mid-week.

A lot of PR, public opinion seed planting that has gone on... I would except McAdoo to be named head coach by just reading the tea leaves.

I would puke at Marrone, and especially Mike Smith, whom I hope is more a DC candidate. And as DC, Smith can be here, or maybe Ben will flip to a 3-4, which he experienced in Green Bay. That side can be a fun development to watch.

I hope the Giants don't waste much time with McAdoo and don't let him slip through. If he's the right guy, and I think he is, you seal the deal and be confident in your choice.
Good luck, coach.  
Giants_ROK : 1/13/2016 9:51 pm : link
Ask your GM to get someone who can cover a tight end.
RE: Eli obviously backed McAdoo, but if the Mannings were running things,  
jcn56 : 1/13/2016 9:56 pm : link
In comment 12764656 Devon said:
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TC never would have been forced out.


I don't know about that. I find it a little hard to believe that if Eli had lobbied hard to keep TC that he wouldn't still have his job.

Don't go by the show of emotion - it's possible to think that TC had run his course and still feel bad that the day had come. The Giants hired BM and are going to retain Spagnuolo. They could have kept TC as well if Eli felt strongly enough about it.
I wonder when the press  
Rick5 : 1/13/2016 9:58 pm : link
conference will be? Saturday? Monday is MLK day, so I am guessing they may not do it then.
RE: RE: Like this better than Smith or Marrone  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2016 10:01 pm : link
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I'm not a huge fan of the move but it makes sense on a lot of levels and I hope he is ready for it.

From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.

He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.

Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.



Great post as always Osi. I'm not as down on Marrone, and thought either him or McAdoo would be the best outside of the obvious "big fish" that were obviously not motivated to jump back in the NFL.


Well said, guys. Couldn't quite put my finger on my one reservation, but Osi said it well. I'm fine with the hire but if there's one question I have with McAdoo, it's not X's and O's, it's his ability to lead and inspire a team. He hasn't appeared to have that dynamic personality to inspire like we've seen from TC, Tomlin, Arians, just to name a few. But we'll see what he does as the head guy now. Cautiously optimistic
Important to note that Coughlin kept a tight lid on his assistants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 10:04 pm : link
They were only given the opportunity to meet the media a couple of times a year in-season We have no idea what his personality is like.
RE: Good luck, coach.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/13/2016 10:05 pm : link
In comment 12764750 Giants_ROK said:
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Ask your GM to get someone who can cover a tight end.


Also, ask for a TE too.
RE: Worst red zone offense in the league  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/13/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12764669 Rflairr said:
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I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.


A pair of top 10 offenses with little more than 2 good players. Shit, a top 10 offense with one of the worst offensive lines in team history (2014).

Imagine how good the offense could be with a 3rd good player?
Rflairr,  
prdave73 : 1/13/2016 10:08 pm : link
agree 100%. Very disappointing..
Not much of a change but imv no candidate out there that  
Watson : 1/13/2016 10:10 pm : link
was worth having to install a new offensive. McAdoo did a nice job; deserving of chance. Hopeful Reese does a better job acquiring talent.
Clearly a Rooney Rule hire.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/13/2016 10:13 pm : link
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Giants fans need to wake up and smell the coffee  
blueblood : 1/13/2016 10:16 pm : link
this was always the plan. The Giants denied it.. However It was always the plan to replace Coughlin with McAdoo.
So we are in the same company as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers...  
Patrick77 : 1/13/2016 10:19 pm : link
Fire the head coach in order to retain the OC.

Great strategy. Do all things out of fear. Seems like a reasonable plan.

I hope this works but this is basically keeping Coughlin but without his input IMO. It's a bizarre turn of events.
If you believe that the new york giants severely lack talent  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2016 10:22 pm : link
on both sides of the ball, then you are saying that you think this is a multiple year process.

Why would you have a 70 year old coach stick around for a rebuild-but-we-can't-actually-say-the-word-rebuild?
Been wrapped up in business all day on the west coast...  
EricJ : 1/13/2016 10:24 pm : link
have not heard anything all day and just opened the corner from my hotel room to see what is going on. I think I want to throw up.
The right move.  
Dry Lightning : 1/13/2016 10:26 pm : link
And the only good move available.
Hiring MacAdoo tells us that...  
Torrag : 1/13/2016 10:30 pm : link
...Mr. Mara & Co saw the same thing in TC I did...a coach that was slipping fast. Fresh energy and a sharper hand at the helm could pay immediate dividends in the 'W' column.

As far as keeping Spags as DC it's impossible to give him a fair evaluation for 2015 with the dumpster fire defensive roster he had to work with. It was literally the worst talent I've ever seen assembled on that side of the ball in decades watching the team. We just hired the man, get him some players and see what he can do.

MacAdoo wasn't the direction I would have gone in but it's a done deal. He has my full support as he should have from all true Giants fans. #BBWC
RE: If you believe that the new york giants severely lack talent  
BrettNYG10 : 1/13/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12764862 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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on both sides of the ball, then you are saying that you think this is a multiple year process.

Why would you have a 70 year old coach stick around for a rebuild-but-we-can't-actually-say-the-word-rebuild?


This is kind of my thinking as well, but I'd twist it somewhat differently - I think the Giants (properly) think in 3-5 year increments. They saw a no-win situation if they retained Coughlin while simultaneously wanting McAdoo as the next HC - if they had a great year next year they obviously couldn't fire Coughlin and McAdoo would likely be a hot candidate. Now, even if they have a bad next year they can point to the multi-year process. If they do well, they look smart.

I still think the team is an additional great offseason away from being a contender - if NYG agrees, why not have McAdoo take his lumps as Hc now?

I was against this move initially (I thought we may as well retain Coughlin another year) - but like it now.
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Boy Cord : 1/13/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12764517 Canton said:
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@kingchuck810: If the Giants enter 2015 with McAdoo as HC, Spags as DC and Philbin as OC and somehow manage to get Coughlin a job upstairs... that's a win.


Especially if Coughlin's first move is to fire Reese.
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BrettNYG10 : 1/13/2016 10:32 pm : link
Sorry, TTH - that wasn't all meant as a response to you - you just had me thinking.
Horrible....  
jripper420 : 1/13/2016 10:35 pm : link
Absolutely horrible....
Chris Mara is so excited i bet he buys a new horse  
Giants2012 : 1/13/2016 10:35 pm : link
and names it Tom
One thing to keep in mind  
Jay on the Island : 1/13/2016 10:58 pm : link
the Packers once hired an OC from the 49ers who had one of the worst ranked offense in the NFL the year before. That coach is Mike McCarthy so keep stuff in mind when your bashing McAdoo when none of us know whether he is going to be a success or a complete failure.

We are all supposedly Giants fans here so why not get behind our new head coach and wait until the games start before you decide on whether or not this was the right choice.
Giants must have felt Coughlin was a detriment to his coordinators  
Vanzetti : 1/13/2016 11:03 pm : link
Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.
Brent  
AP in Halfmoon : 1/13/2016 11:07 pm : link
Excellent point.
RE: Giants must have felt Coughlin was a detriment to his coordinators  
AP in Halfmoon : 1/13/2016 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12764972 Vanzetti said:
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Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.


See Brents post above as an example
RE: Giants must have felt Coughlin was a detriment to his coordinators  
blueblood : 1/13/2016 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12764972 Vanzetti said:
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Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.


well it could be the fact that he had three losing seasons in a row... missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years. The team wasnt improving.. in fact it was getting worse.. He only had one year left on his deal after 2016 season.. He has been here 12 years and the voice does get stale after a while..

just a few reasons to let him go..
I really just hope McAdoo  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2016 11:09 pm : link
Goes for it every time when its 4th and 1 on the opponent 38. Seriously. Every time.
no problem with this  
chris r : 1/13/2016 11:09 pm : link
we heard when he was hired that he was viewed as the possible heir apparent.
MIke McCarthy  
AP in Halfmoon : 1/13/2016 11:20 pm : link
hired him 3 times. Coughlin spoke highly of him. Those are very solid references
He should bring Mike Sherman  
Rflairr : 1/13/2016 11:55 pm : link
In as his OL coach
RE: RE: Giants must have felt Coughlin was a detriment to his coordinators  
Matt M. : 1/13/2016 11:55 pm : link
In comment 12764980 blueblood said:
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Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.



well it could be the fact that he had three losing seasons in a row... missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years. The team wasnt improving.. in fact it was getting worse.. He only had one year left on his deal after 2016 season.. He has been here 12 years and the voice does get stale after a while..

just a few reasons to let him go..
When the team is still playing hard, it is hard to argue the voice is stale. I completely understand the need to move on. But, I don't buy that argument.
Brent doing yoemen's work here  
chris r : 1/14/2016 12:01 am : link
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I like the coaching staff  
NyquistX3 : 1/14/2016 12:03 am : link
now get Eli and Spags some better players, please.
The more I think about this, the more I say WTF?  
Matt M. : 1/14/2016 12:04 am : link
If I wasn't such a big Giants fan, I would almost want Coughlin to go to Philly or SF and have immediate success. But, I can't really root for that.

At the same time, these moves don't make sense. You don't have 3 losing seasons in a row simply because of the HC. IF you are that fed up that you want the HOF HC gone, then you should also remove the GM when you say the actual problem is personnel. You should remove the DC who led the league's worst defense. You should remove the OC who had one of the worst red zone defenses. You should remove a good portion of the personnel department.
RE: I like the coaching staff  
Matt M. : 1/14/2016 12:05 am : link
In comment 12765069 NyquistX3 said:
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now get Eli and Spags some better players, please.
Yeah, I love one of the most over rated DCs whos has had one of the worst defenses of all time, not once, but twice.
All I can say is thank G-d we have Eli  
Matt M. : 1/14/2016 12:07 am : link
and OBJ. That will keep us in games all season. I don't have confidence the coaching staff will make the decisions to win most of those games, nor do I have confidence the GM will improve the personnel significantly enough to overcome bad coaching.
This was probably the plan when they hired McAdoo  
Go Terps : 1/14/2016 12:23 am : link
And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
RE: RE: I like the coaching staff  
NyquistX3 : 1/14/2016 12:31 am : link
In comment 12765072 Matt M. said:
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now get Eli and Spags some better players, please.

Yeah, I love one of the most over rated DCs whos has had one of the worst defenses of all time, not once, but twice.


The Giants don't win Super Bowl 42 without him.
meh  
santacruzom : 1/14/2016 12:54 am : link
I mean, not all coaching hires are going to Steve Kerr-esque, but this one's pretty uninspiring.
RE: This was probably the plan when they hired McAdoo  
chris r : 1/14/2016 1:05 am : link
In comment 12765089 Go Terps said:
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And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.


You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
RE: RE: it's really interesting  
Johnny5 : 1/14/2016 1:30 am : link
In comment 12764082 Rflairr said:
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I hope this is what happens:

1) McAdoo HC
2) Smith as DC
3) Sullivan promoted to OC
4) Philbin as QB coach



Rather Philbin be OC

Regis?
RE: RE: This was probably the plan when they hired McAdoo  
SethFromAstoria : 1/14/2016 3:00 am : link
In comment 12765114 chris r said:
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And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.



You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?


This whole situation has allowed people to say crap like this and make it seem as though everything is so easy. So for once how about one of you guys who throw around BS statements like this actually go through the steps that were taken to so badly mismanage everything and waste Eli's years. I'd love to see one single person who uses these broad statements about the awful obvious mistakes, go through them and explain what it is thatyou mean.
Oh Rob  
BigBlueCane : 1/14/2016 4:40 am : link
still cherry-picking out there.

This was a stupid hire and it will be proven as such in the near future. The Giants FO was and is the real problem here. The Franchise needed an infusion of new ideas and new thinking. Instead they went for more of the same.

Having seen this in the NFL and in College (Randy Shannon), I'm just going to sit back and watch the incoming fail.
IDK.......these moves make plenty of sense.  
George from PA : 1/14/2016 5:31 am : link
I just hope spags figures things out.......

The offense has been improving......add a couple of pieces......it should exel.
RE: RE: This was probably the plan when they hired McAdoo  
Go Terps : 1/14/2016 6:03 am : link
In comment 12765114 chris r said:
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And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.



You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?


Separate issue. I'm talking about this hire.

In the end they did waste a couple Eli years by not changing the head coach sooner.
RE: I really just hope McAdoo  
Jerry's Kids : 1/14/2016 6:54 am : link
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Goes for it every time when its 4th and 1 on the opponent 38. Seriously. Every time.


Exactly, that field position bs is outdated. Nobody gets stops anymore.

The math just doesn't support punting on the plus side of the field. Drives me nuts!
Wrote this on the 12th. Knew this was the deal. Here it is:  
map7711 : 1/14/2016 6:55 am : link
The Giants caught themselves in a bad spot. Wanting change since the team has been losing a lot of late. But if you get rid of Reese you then get a new GM who wants to hire his own coach who in turn wants to hire his own assistants. What that means is a new offense. Eli has only a few years left so that isn't ideal. So what do you do? You promote the offensive coordinator to head coach and keep Reese and hope you catch lightning in a bottle and McAdoo turns out to be a good head coach. They really had no other choice if the decision was made that something needed to change. Just caught in a tough spot concerning Eli and the offense and his age. Time is running out. With a new GM, new head coach, new coordinators, new offense- that can take years to develop. Years Eli does not have.
RE: This was probably the plan when they hired McAdoo  
TheMick7 : 1/14/2016 6:56 am : link
In comment 12765089 Go Terps said:
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And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.


Exactly!
With such an unexperienced rookie HC as McAdoo would be  
nicky43 : 1/14/2016 7:31 am : link
this mistake (if it happens) would basically put the entire team under the command of the other mistake GM.

Sure is going to suck for Giants fans as the rookie learns how to be a HC for the next 5 years. This is why I can't believe this will happen.
Good news.  
GiantsUA : 1/14/2016 7:40 am : link
Known quantity, I like it. Get some players on defense and we will see.
I hope he's as good as his reputation  
BeerFridge : 1/14/2016 7:41 am : link
And I look forward to seeing what happens on the defensive side of the ball.
Last ime the Giants promoted an OC to HC we went 8-8  
WideRight : 1/14/2016 7:41 am : link

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One thing that is good  
micky : 1/14/2016 8:00 am : link
the Giants are very predictable
One headline I read says it ALL...  
silverfox : 1/14/2016 8:02 am : link
"Giants settle on McAdoo as HC". Well if "settling" on such an important decision is what we all have to live with, then God help us all. Par for the course, and frankly, not really a gamble at all. They know what they have and keeping Spags as well is an obvious indication of keeping everything the same except for showing Coughlin the door.

Its also obvious to me anyway that McAdoo and Coughlin must have not been on the same page a lot of the time because if they were...why would the owners put "Coughlin lite" in the HC position. In a small way I hope they did have a lot of disagreements because we need a big change in philosiphy and not the same old mediocre BS.

RE: Last ime the Giants promoted an OC to HC we went 8-8  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2016 8:22 am : link
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Well, that would certainly be an upgrade.
RE: RE: Last ime the Giants promoted an OC to HC we went 8-8  
WideRight : 1/14/2016 8:28 am : link
In comment 12765300 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Well, that would certainly be an upgrade.



IIRC, we were coming off a victory in SBXXV so it was a letdown at the time.....
Other than inheriting a SB winner the two OCs have lots in common...  
WideRight : 1/14/2016 8:36 am : link
No prior HC experience.

7 years of NFL coaching experience.

Both offensive minded.

Both coached at Stanford.

Same haircut and pant size.
There was no perfect candidate.  
Dinger : 1/14/2016 8:45 am : link
Hell, if Belichick had shown up and said take me, we'd have issues with him (cheata, cough, cough)! Provides consistancy for offense and Eli, gives us a 'young, forward looking HC' and He seems to carry himself well with the media. No Negatives now. Just positives. Lets get some good coordinators and position coaches not to mention a new strength and conditioning guy and lets get going.

McAdoo, McAdoo, McAdoo, McAdoo!!!
Congrats Ben McAdoo..  
BillKo : 1/14/2016 9:10 am : link
looking forward to a long career here!!!

Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.
We have no idea what happens behind the scenes  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/14/2016 9:17 am : link
McAdoo was tagged early on as someone who had Head Coach potential. He must have impressed someone with his organizational skills, or his game management skills, or football smarts, or something. We do know that Eli has never looked better, and with huge holes at TE, WR2, and WR3 this offense scored the 6th most points in the league.

So, I am on board with McAdoo. You kind of had to be, since his hiring seemed like a done deal as early as last year. The biggest issues with this team (in my opinion) are defensive personnel. Not sure if he has shown any interest in that side of the ball, but now its his job to help fix it.

One last thing: Coughlin was all about balance. They had to run the ball, and if you watched any games this year or last you saw a team that tried to run the ball whether that was there or not. I think that's Coughlin's influence. If you watch any GB games, the philosophy is to take what the defense gives you. They're happy to throw 60 times if the defense doesn't defend it well. All I'm saying is that I think we'll see a change to even more of a WCO next year.
RE: Oh Rob  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2016 9:21 am : link
In comment 12765149 BigBlueCane said:
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still cherry-picking out there.

This was a stupid hire and it will be proven as such in the near future. The Giants FO was and is the real problem here. The Franchise needed an infusion of new ideas and new thinking. Instead they went for more of the same.

Having seen this in the NFL and in College (Randy Shannon), I'm just going to sit back and watch the incoming fail.

You really are an abysmal poster. Absolutely miserable at all times. You've been wrong about anything and everything. Just stop. Log off, and walk away. Stop ruining this site for those that aren't nearly as pessimistic and depressing.

Holy shit, man.
Eric should keep this thread handy for he next few years  
David B. : 1/14/2016 9:52 am : link
One way or another, a lot of crow will be served up to members here.

My two cents -- for the record -- is that this is the logical, best available option given the mess they were in, and who is available at this point in time.

There is no SLAM DUNK candidate available. The Giants were going to have to roll the dice on whoever they picked anyway, and this preserves the good things McAdoo brought.

This choice is a gamble on potential rather than on established mediocrity. This is what NFL teams do ALL THE TIME. If BM (ha! get used to that) is the next Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton, it will have paid off. If not, it won't.

All I know is that no one HERE knows McAdoo and what he's made of, so anyone saying he will be a disaster should be mocked and/or ignored. And anyone saying he will DEFINITELY be the next great coach also doesn't know.

At least the Giants have had him in the building for two years getting to know him and what he's about, and prior to that, they were very excited to land him as OC. They saw and see potential as early as that. And other NFL teams see it too. I trust that more than nay-sayers here.

We'll all have to wait and see how it works out. I'm hoping for the best and not expecting the worst.

One thing I had already picked up on from McAdoo's press conferences as OC is that he had already mastered the art of talking while saying absolutely nothing.
The way I look at it  
gmen9892 : 1/14/2016 10:04 am : link
When was the last time ANY coach was hired that came with no risk and was a slam dunk that the fan base KNEW was going to work out. Off the top of my head, I cant think of any. Before Belichick's success in NE, he failed miserably in Cleveland and was a DC and that was about it. Even our own TC came in here after flaming out badly in Jacksonville. My point is, every single candidate comes in with risk (bad job previously, out of the game for a long time, not enough coaching experience) or else they would not have been on the market. As a Giant fan, I am going to root for McAdoo to succeed, because in the end, I have no clue whether this will work or not. And neither does anybody else.
Yep  
David B. : 1/14/2016 10:07 am : link
Even great coaches fail with crap talent. And then get fired for it.
I truly hope in a few short years, when Eli has faded  
SwirlingEddie : 1/14/2016 10:24 am : link
that McAdoo can succeed with a less than HoF-caliber QB. We shall see.
Amazingly, Peyton Manning is a year older than McAdoo  
dpinzow : 1/14/2016 10:27 am : link
and Eli is only 3 1/2 years younger
RE: Congrats Ben McAdoo..  
jcn56 : 1/14/2016 10:38 am : link
In comment 12765466 BillKo said:
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looking forward to a long career here!!!

Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.


Bill, there's plenty on YouTube, get a head start.

I thought his press conferences were always pretty interesting - candid, direct, and clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-8K1NHFAk - ( New Window )
It's not the sexy pick  
AnnapolisMike : 1/14/2016 10:42 am : link
It's the safe pick and is probably what the front office has been thinking for the past year. After going 6-10 two straight years....TC was going to have to go one way or the other. I have no problem if the Giants did this with McAdoo in mind to be the successor unless someone else managed to shake free. I'm concerned, like others, that not much has seemed to have changed (yet). So we will see how it all works out.

The offense is good....a few upgrades could make it very good. The defense is bad...make it OK and this is probably a playoff team. All of which can be done quickly.

This represents no change and no accountability  
Rudy5757 : 1/14/2016 10:44 am : link
or I guess Coughlin is the only one accountable. I just don't get this move at all. So if Coughlin takes the job in the front office we have promoted everyone to a higher position...lol.

Of course I will root hard for his to be successful but I just think this just more of the same we have seen. This also leaves McAdoo with a very small safety net and he starts in a bad position. What if this team goes 6-10 or worse next season? Does he get a pass? At least if we had cleaned house there could have been a bit of a learning curve with a new coach and they could spin it but if we have yet another losing season I dont see how this goes well. Even at 7-9 or 8-8.

Where is the accountability? So is McAdoo at least in the short term an improvement over Coughlin? Doubtful just from an experience standpoint. Is Philbin an improvement over McAdoo as OC? If he is then we should have hired Philbin. And Spags is status quo on D. So we are to believe that some FA money is going to make this team that much better? We need a lot on both sides of the ball and we do not currently have the player to build around on D. A guy like that will not come cheap and a rookie probably wont make that jump in his 1st season.

On D we need pass rushers, we have none signed. We need a MLB in the worst way. We need a Safety and CB. On O we need a #2 WR. It may be time to move on from Cruz just from an injury standpoint he is not a guy you can count on. That FA money is going to go quickly.

I am curious to find out what we do in the strength and conditioning area. I hope that we at least address that.

At the end of the day I will hope for the best but expect the worst. Not a lot to be excited about here.
RE: RE: Congrats Ben McAdoo..  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/14/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 12765833 jcn56 said:
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In comment 12765466 BillKo said:


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looking forward to a long career here!!!

Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.



Bill, there's plenty on YouTube, get a head start.

I thought his press conferences were always pretty interesting - candid, direct, and clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-8K1NHFAk - ( New Window )


that's a good piece of tape jcn
Miserable Shock. no. Pissed off.  
BigBlueCane : 1/14/2016 11:15 am : link
This does nothing to fix the problems this franchise is facing.

Faced with those problems, Ownership by their actions NOT words, which are pointless, essentially blamed everything on Coughlin.

And told the players, many of whom really loved their head coach and were in tears at that presser, that the man they revere was the problem, no one else.

This was deck chair re-arrangement at its finest.
Keeps eli productive  
WideRight : 1/14/2016 11:24 am : link
Management values that considering 20% of payroll is invested in the position
RE: Miserable Shock. no. Pissed off.  
gmen9892 : 1/14/2016 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12766014 BigBlueCane said:
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This does nothing to fix the problems this franchise is facing.

Faced with those problems, Ownership by their actions NOT words, which are pointless, essentially blamed everything on Coughlin.

And told the players, many of whom really loved their head coach and were in tears at that presser, that the man they revere was the problem, no one else.

This was deck chair re-arrangement at its finest.


The problem for the last couple of years has been the TALENT of the players. No coach would have gotten to the playoffs with the teams they were given over the last 3 years. Unfortunately, there had to be a fall guy other than Reese, because he apparently will get 1 more year to turn things around. It ALL comes down to Reese one way or another.
It has been nearly 24 hours and  
Matt M. : 1/14/2016 12:30 pm : link
this is still not official. What is the deal?
RE: Keeps eli productive  
Matt M. : 1/14/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 12766076 WideRight said:
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Management values that considering 20% of payroll is invested in the position
I am not worried about Eli's production. I'm worried about this D able to stop anyone. I can understand making the HC the fall guy. But, with their personnel issues, defensive woes, and lack of production in certain areas, I am pissed that virtually everyone else gets to keep their job and one got a promotion.
RE: It has been nearly 24 hours and  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2016 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12766386 Matt M. said:
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this is still not official. What is the deal?


Details. Contracts. Probably personal things.
Supposed to be announced this afternoon, press conference tomorrow.  
Devon : 1/14/2016 12:35 pm : link
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