All we know about McAdoo is that he's very well thought of by guys like Tom Coughlin and Mike McCarthy, Eli loves him, and that he was at least able to field a top ten unit as OC.
We have no idea what he is as an HC (which can be scary, yes). We weren't in his interviews or in the office with him.
@art_stapleton: Ben McAdoo, an internal favorite from the start, appears to be closing in on a deal to become next head coach of the #Giants, per source.
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 34s34 seconds ago
Source: "Looking good" for McAdoo to be next Giants head coach.
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 1m1 minute ago
Ben McAdoo, an internal favorite from the start, appears to be closing in on a deal to become next head coach of the #Giants, per source.
Offensive continuity is preserved. The team doesn't have to get used to a completely new face at the top.
Folks may grumble, but you can't complain that the team didn't buy what wasn't out there to be bought. Saban, Cowher, Gruden - none were interested in the job. Jackson and Gase both got snapped up before we could make an offer.
Just isn't a head coach. Doesn't have that control of a team. He's a good coordinator though and one we can keep a long time, since I don't think teams will be sniffing at him after the debacle in Miami.
time in the spotlight is done because he was too good an OC for GB that he had to become a head coach. He's boring now because he didn't do amazingly well in Miami in his first HC try. In a division with the Pats
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 51s52 seconds ago
Eli Manning publicly stated he wanted the offense to remain the same. He also did so privately. Big key for McAdoo's candidacy.
For someone who has been as dead wrong about so much since you called Tiki Barber a bust, you would think an ounce of humility or self awareness would have emerged. But no, you decided to double down on the aggressive stupidity.
... that he was HC material. If so, then the Giants liked enough of what they saw even though they probably wanted a few more years as OC under his belt. If they didn't hire him now they would most likely lose him.
a reason to go with an outside candidate. Since that is done we need a DC immediately. Could Smith be interested in the DC job since a HC job doesn't seem to be in the cards?
If so, I hope they bring in someone like Mike Smith as DC
Invested too much in him to have him leave. The moment it became clear he was going to be a head coach next season in the NFL, they were going to push TC out.
Let's see if they get Mike Smith as DC and they will have 2 former HC on staff along with Philbin
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Yep. Team wanted to keep things running smoothly with the QB, so they actually will be not bringing in a DC. Just another OC. And they will try to play offense on defense.
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#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
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#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
This.
Plus he is our best and most important player. Plus he is upset they got rid of his only pro HC. Plus he had a fantastic season. It's not a bad thought process.
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Yep. Team wanted to keep things running smoothly with the QB, so they actually will be not bringing in a DC. Just another OC. And they will try to play offense on defense.
Probably would not go that much worse than things have lately.
Now fix the gosh darn defense because I have a feeling with a couple of added pieces, a young Oline with another year under their belt, and it being year three of this offense, this team is going to put up some points. It would be nice to hold a lead.
A 38 year old with only 2 years as OC and those on losing teams. They're swinging for the fences here and going for a guy who could be in charge here for 10-15 years.
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 2m2 minutes ago
Plan right now is for Steve Spagnuolo, who interviewed for the NYG HC gig, to remain as defensive coordinator, sources say.
I'm fine with this. It was a pretty uninspiring group of coaches available once it became clear the big fish (Cowher, Saban, Shaw) were staying put. Keeps the continuity for Eli and the offense. Now invest heavily in D and let's go.
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again but here we are.
Well said we are in the beginning of a 15 yr down cycle. Team has no talent and no coach. Their franchise QB has 3 seasons left max. They wont win with this talent around him. Then the search begins for a new QB. You know how long that could take? Just ask the Jets.
John Mara is a talent-less executive wh has done nothing in life but get handed the family business. This is going to get ugly.
by the Giants. He's young, not a retread, and by all accounts a leader, who's disciplined and well respected by the players. I applaud Mara for having the guts to take a chance on a guy who he has a strong conviction on. Well done.
If you believe the guy has potential to be a good head coach, how do you let him leave. How could you ever justify to your fan base and yourselves if he leaves, especially to the Eagles, and turns out to be a great coach.
That plus the Eli factor......it just seems like the most sensible thing to do,
And would have been happy with Marrone. Marrone had done a great job in Buffalo for one year.
Having said that, I am not happy Spags is staying on as DC. Spags has been a total failure since 2008. I am not hopeful that the D will improve much.
Still think Marrone - McAdoo - Schwartz would have been best, but regardless, I don't mind the Mcadoo hire. We squeeze the last few years of Eli, and if it goes to shit, we blow it all up post Eli.
Keeping both coordinators just reeks of the Coughlin firing being a cosmetic change, however.
Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch 4s4 seconds ago
Hey, it worked out well for the Giants the last time they promoted their offensive coordinator. Why not do it again?
Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
This.
Plus he is our best and most important player. Plus he is upset they got rid of his only pro HC. Plus he had a fantastic season. It's not a bad thought process.
Give him a shit roster and we're pissed that he's back? He's not a miracle worker. Bigger issue remains the lack of changes in personnel dept.
This. I'm not totally down on Spags as a coach, the Giants stayed in games early this season due exclusively to the D (the turnover machine the first 8 games). Things fell apart really when Prince and Kennard first got hurt, and went down hill when Hankins went down.
The part I dont like about this is from all the press conferences the Giants have had I'm expecting a large chunk of their available resources to go to the D, and if we dont see immediate improvement I dont like a first year coach having to deal with media / fan frenzy to fire one of his coordinators. With a new DC you at least buy yourself a year.
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So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
Would you classify what the Bucs did to Lovie the same way? Basically the Giants situation has mirrored the Bucs. Pushed out the HC in order to promote the young OC whom was gaining steam as a serious candidate around the league.
Noone's saying anything. There is no reason to get caught up in what the narrative looks like- it's entirely self created.
There was a lot wrong with the team. ONE of the changes was a new voice at the helm after 12 years. And I wanted them to keep Tom! But there's no reason to behave like theyre pinning this all on him. It'll be a different offense.
once we started seeing reports that Marrone was headed to the Titans to interview and reports were surfacing that the Eagles were seriously interested.
Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch 4s4 seconds ago
Hey, it worked out well for the Giants the last time they promoted their offensive coordinator. Why not do it again?
He was running backs coach until Earnhardt left two week prior but
Hey it makes good print so screw the facts
thought it was interesting to see who wrote this too.
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Bright, who stayed behind the scenes from the time he purchased the Cowboys in March 1984, until he criticized Landry's play-calling after a loss to Atlanta in 1987, was almost cold in discussing Landry's departure.
"This is a new generation of coaches and ownership," Bright said with emphasis. "This must evolve. It happens in every business."
The Cowboys offices have been inundated the last few days with calls in defense of Landry. But during the last three losing seasons, there have been almost as many calls criticizing Landry.
And now it will be Johnson who will have to deal with the pressures of not only coaching the NFL's most visible team, but following a legend.
Johnson won one national championship at Miami and came close on another two. Jones said he expects to win this season, but considering the Cowboys talent level, that might be tough.
I'm not a huge fan of the move but it makes sense on a lot of levels and I hope he is ready for it.
From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.
He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.
Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
With Head Coach experience. That should be a positive for this offense. will be interesting to see who the DC will be?! I don't think it's Spags because it can't be more of the same on that side. And hopefully Mac will be better at game and time management.
If so, we should have kept Perry Fewell. Defense was short on talent last season. And he won a super bowl. And he didn't have defensive disasters with two other teams.
I'm not a huge fan of the move but it makes sense on a lot of levels and I hope he is ready for it.
From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.
He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.
Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
Great post as always Osi. I'm not as down on Marrone, and thought either him or McAdoo would be the best outside of the obvious "big fish" that were obviously not motivated to jump back in the NFL.
@kingchuck810: If the Giants enter 2015 with McAdoo as HC, Spags as DC and Philbin as OC and somehow manage to get Coughlin a job upstairs... that's a win.
This is a huge offseason. Need to hit on at least 4 draft picks and pick up a couple of F/As. Coaching wasn't the problem with this team. The number of NFL-caliber players is...
Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
RE: Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Also, I thought a culture change is something an owner looks
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
RE: RE: Also, I thought a culture change is something an owner looks
for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?
Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.
He was in that losing locker room for two seasons. How did we run the ball? His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?
for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?
Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.
He was in that losing locker room for two seasons. How did we run the ball? His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?
Eli was in the lockerroom, too. As was Spags who is coming back. McAdoo fixed the offense as soon as he got here and the QB had two of the best years of his career these past two years.
Eli obviously backed McAdoo, but if the Mannings were running things,
move. Respected in org, has a track record of success. Think the Philbin move is even better. Shore up the OL, symmetry between the HC and OC for a change.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure how you hang the team record on McAdoo as if he were
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
Hence my original comment about the Mannings. And let's face it, there were times when the offense was absolutely abysmal.
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
Hence my original comment about the Mannings. And let's face it, there were times when the offense was absolutely abysmal.
There were times when the offense was abysmal under gilbride, in years they were a top 10 scoring offense. it happens.
Small sample size that isn't worth a damn thing, but Eli's stats
I root for the franchise and he's the coach. Wanted a defensive guy in here, but I'm all in. I'm done fighting it. Best of luck Coach and Let's Go Giants!!
I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.
They were 8th in 2014 in the RZ and McAdoo was actually in charge of a lot of the RZ concepts his last year in GB.
They had issues down there in 2015, obviously, but he's not permanently incompetent down there.
Considering how many close games they dropped this season. You can make the case that his units shiitty performance in the RZ, is just as responsible for this season as the defense. Yet hes been promoted.
You know what? I'm cool with it if it's good for Eli
I'm pulling hard for McAdoo
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IMO, McAdoo was brought in here as a coach in waiting, despite what they say. I believe he was an owner and a Reese pick to succeed TC if all went well. With little talent, he's done very well, only backing up the high opinions he is beginning to garner around league circles. As with personell it's better to get rid of your old coach a year or two too early to be set up for the next decade plus if you believe in who you can hire.
Plus they know what he's capable of, know whether TC was holding him back to any degree, and he's been here -- knows Eli, etc.
I think Eli quickly saw what McAdoo was doing was working, and that maybe the the old ball coach was inhibiting things a little, and during the sad press conference day I couldn't help but feel that perhaps Eli inadvertently felt like he put the slug in TC by answering how much McAdoo helped him, only reaffirming the front offices opinion that McAdoo is the right guy.
From a PR standpoint, Giants know McAdoo is young, he's not a sexy name. So from a public standpoint you have to cast a wider net that their usual 3-4 candidates to make it seem like wow, we've turned over every stone and Ben is by far and away the best. Let the emotions of TC's departure fade as well. It's been a week, the buzz is down. I'd expect something by around mid-week.
A lot of PR, public opinion seed planting that has gone on... I would except McAdoo to be named head coach by just reading the tea leaves.
I would puke at Marrone, and especially Mike Smith, whom I hope is more a DC candidate. And as DC, Smith can be here, or maybe Ben will flip to a 3-4, which he experienced in Green Bay. That side can be a fun development to watch.
I hope the Giants don't waste much time with McAdoo and don't let him slip through. If he's the right guy, and I think he is, you seal the deal and be confident in your choice.
I don't know about that. I find it a little hard to believe that if Eli had lobbied hard to keep TC that he wouldn't still have his job.
Don't go by the show of emotion - it's possible to think that TC had run his course and still feel bad that the day had come. The Giants hired BM and are going to retain Spagnuolo. They could have kept TC as well if Eli felt strongly enough about it.
I'm not a huge fan of the move but it makes sense on a lot of levels and I hope he is ready for it.
From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.
He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.
Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
Great post as always Osi. I'm not as down on Marrone, and thought either him or McAdoo would be the best outside of the obvious "big fish" that were obviously not motivated to jump back in the NFL.
Well said, guys. Couldn't quite put my finger on my one reservation, but Osi said it well. I'm fine with the hire but if there's one question I have with McAdoo, it's not X's and O's, it's his ability to lead and inspire a team. He hasn't appeared to have that dynamic personality to inspire like we've seen from TC, Tomlin, Arians, just to name a few. But we'll see what he does as the head guy now. Cautiously optimistic
Important to note that Coughlin kept a tight lid on his assistants
...Mr. Mara & Co saw the same thing in TC I did...a coach that was slipping fast. Fresh energy and a sharper hand at the helm could pay immediate dividends in the 'W' column.
As far as keeping Spags as DC it's impossible to give him a fair evaluation for 2015 with the dumpster fire defensive roster he had to work with. It was literally the worst talent I've ever seen assembled on that side of the ball in decades watching the team. We just hired the man, get him some players and see what he can do.
MacAdoo wasn't the direction I would have gone in but it's a done deal. He has my full support as he should have from all true Giants fans. #BBWC
RE: If you believe that the new york giants severely lack talent
on both sides of the ball, then you are saying that you think this is a multiple year process.
Why would you have a 70 year old coach stick around for a rebuild-but-we-can't-actually-say-the-word-rebuild?
This is kind of my thinking as well, but I'd twist it somewhat differently - I think the Giants (properly) think in 3-5 year increments. They saw a no-win situation if they retained Coughlin while simultaneously wanting McAdoo as the next HC - if they had a great year next year they obviously couldn't fire Coughlin and McAdoo would likely be a hot candidate. Now, even if they have a bad next year they can point to the multi-year process. If they do well, they look smart.
I still think the team is an additional great offseason away from being a contender - if NYG agrees, why not have McAdoo take his lumps as Hc now?
I was against this move initially (I thought we may as well retain Coughlin another year) - but like it now.
@kingchuck810: If the Giants enter 2015 with McAdoo as HC, Spags as DC and Philbin as OC and somehow manage to get Coughlin a job upstairs... that's a win.
Especially if Coughlin's first move is to fire Reese.
the Packers once hired an OC from the 49ers who had one of the worst ranked offense in the NFL the year before. That coach is Mike McCarthy so keep stuff in mind when your bashing McAdoo when none of us know whether he is going to be a success or a complete failure.
We are all supposedly Giants fans here so why not get behind our new head coach and wait until the games start before you decide on whether or not this was the right choice.
Giants must have felt Coughlin was a detriment to his coordinators
Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.
well it could be the fact that he had three losing seasons in a row... missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years. The team wasnt improving.. in fact it was getting worse.. He only had one year left on his deal after 2016 season.. He has been here 12 years and the voice does get stale after a while..
Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.
well it could be the fact that he had three losing seasons in a row... missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years. The team wasnt improving.. in fact it was getting worse.. He only had one year left on his deal after 2016 season.. He has been here 12 years and the voice does get stale after a while..
just a few reasons to let him go..
When the team is still playing hard, it is hard to argue the voice is stale. I completely understand the need to move on. But, I don't buy that argument.
If I wasn't such a big Giants fan, I would almost want Coughlin to go to Philly or SF and have immediate success. But, I can't really root for that.
At the same time, these moves don't make sense. You don't have 3 losing seasons in a row simply because of the HC. IF you are that fed up that you want the HOF HC gone, then you should also remove the GM when you say the actual problem is personnel. You should remove the DC who led the league's worst defense. You should remove the OC who had one of the worst red zone defenses. You should remove a good portion of the personnel department.
and OBJ. That will keep us in games all season. I don't have confidence the coaching staff will make the decisions to win most of those games, nor do I have confidence the GM will improve the personnel significantly enough to overcome bad coaching.
And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
This whole situation has allowed people to say crap like this and make it seem as though everything is so easy. So for once how about one of you guys who throw around BS statements like this actually go through the steps that were taken to so badly mismanage everything and waste Eli's years. I'd love to see one single person who uses these broad statements about the awful obvious mistakes, go through them and explain what it is thatyou mean.
This was a stupid hire and it will be proven as such in the near future. The Giants FO was and is the real problem here. The Franchise needed an infusion of new ideas and new thinking. Instead they went for more of the same.
Having seen this in the NFL and in College (Randy Shannon), I'm just going to sit back and watch the incoming fail.
And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
Separate issue. I'm talking about this hire.
In the end they did waste a couple Eli years by not changing the head coach sooner.
The Giants caught themselves in a bad spot. Wanting change since the team has been losing a lot of late. But if you get rid of Reese you then get a new GM who wants to hire his own coach who in turn wants to hire his own assistants. What that means is a new offense. Eli has only a few years left so that isn't ideal. So what do you do? You promote the offensive coordinator to head coach and keep Reese and hope you catch lightning in a bottle and McAdoo turns out to be a good head coach. They really had no other choice if the decision was made that something needed to change. Just caught in a tough spot concerning Eli and the offense and his age. Time is running out. With a new GM, new head coach, new coordinators, new offense- that can take years to develop. Years Eli does not have.
RE: This was probably the plan when they hired McAdoo
And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
Exactly!
With such an unexperienced rookie HC as McAdoo would be
"Giants settle on McAdoo as HC". Well if "settling" on such an important decision is what we all have to live with, then God help us all. Par for the course, and frankly, not really a gamble at all. They know what they have and keeping Spags as well is an obvious indication of keeping everything the same except for showing Coughlin the door.
Its also obvious to me anyway that McAdoo and Coughlin must have not been on the same page a lot of the time because if they were...why would the owners put "Coughlin lite" in the HC position. In a small way I hope they did have a lot of disagreements because we need a big change in philosiphy and not the same old mediocre BS.
RE: Last ime the Giants promoted an OC to HC we went 8-8
Hell, if Belichick had shown up and said take me, we'd have issues with him (cheata, cough, cough)! Provides consistancy for offense and Eli, gives us a 'young, forward looking HC' and He seems to carry himself well with the media. No Negatives now. Just positives. Lets get some good coordinators and position coaches not to mention a new strength and conditioning guy and lets get going.
McAdoo was tagged early on as someone who had Head Coach potential. He must have impressed someone with his organizational skills, or his game management skills, or football smarts, or something. We do know that Eli has never looked better, and with huge holes at TE, WR2, and WR3 this offense scored the 6th most points in the league.
So, I am on board with McAdoo. You kind of had to be, since his hiring seemed like a done deal as early as last year. The biggest issues with this team (in my opinion) are defensive personnel. Not sure if he has shown any interest in that side of the ball, but now its his job to help fix it.
One last thing: Coughlin was all about balance. They had to run the ball, and if you watched any games this year or last you saw a team that tried to run the ball whether that was there or not. I think that's Coughlin's influence. If you watch any GB games, the philosophy is to take what the defense gives you. They're happy to throw 60 times if the defense doesn't defend it well. All I'm saying is that I think we'll see a change to even more of a WCO next year.
This was a stupid hire and it will be proven as such in the near future. The Giants FO was and is the real problem here. The Franchise needed an infusion of new ideas and new thinking. Instead they went for more of the same.
Having seen this in the NFL and in College (Randy Shannon), I'm just going to sit back and watch the incoming fail.
You really are an abysmal poster. Absolutely miserable at all times. You've been wrong about anything and everything. Just stop. Log off, and walk away. Stop ruining this site for those that aren't nearly as pessimistic and depressing.
Holy shit, man.
Eric should keep this thread handy for he next few years
One way or another, a lot of crow will be served up to members here.
My two cents -- for the record -- is that this is the logical, best available option given the mess they were in, and who is available at this point in time.
There is no SLAM DUNK candidate available. The Giants were going to have to roll the dice on whoever they picked anyway, and this preserves the good things McAdoo brought.
This choice is a gamble on potential rather than on established mediocrity. This is what NFL teams do ALL THE TIME. If BM (ha! get used to that) is the next Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton, it will have paid off. If not, it won't.
All I know is that no one HERE knows McAdoo and what he's made of, so anyone saying he will be a disaster should be mocked and/or ignored. And anyone saying he will DEFINITELY be the next great coach also doesn't know.
At least the Giants have had him in the building for two years getting to know him and what he's about, and prior to that, they were very excited to land him as OC. They saw and see potential as early as that. And other NFL teams see it too. I trust that more than nay-sayers here.
We'll all have to wait and see how it works out. I'm hoping for the best and not expecting the worst.
One thing I had already picked up on from McAdoo's press conferences as OC is that he had already mastered the art of talking while saying absolutely nothing.
When was the last time ANY coach was hired that came with no risk and was a slam dunk that the fan base KNEW was going to work out. Off the top of my head, I cant think of any. Before Belichick's success in NE, he failed miserably in Cleveland and was a DC and that was about it. Even our own TC came in here after flaming out badly in Jacksonville. My point is, every single candidate comes in with risk (bad job previously, out of the game for a long time, not enough coaching experience) or else they would not have been on the market. As a Giant fan, I am going to root for McAdoo to succeed, because in the end, I have no clue whether this will work or not. And neither does anybody else.
It's the safe pick and is probably what the front office has been thinking for the past year. After going 6-10 two straight years....TC was going to have to go one way or the other. I have no problem if the Giants did this with McAdoo in mind to be the successor unless someone else managed to shake free. I'm concerned, like others, that not much has seemed to have changed (yet). So we will see how it all works out.
The offense is good....a few upgrades could make it very good. The defense is bad...make it OK and this is probably a playoff team. All of which can be done quickly.
or I guess Coughlin is the only one accountable. I just don't get this move at all. So if Coughlin takes the job in the front office we have promoted everyone to a higher position...lol.
Of course I will root hard for his to be successful but I just think this just more of the same we have seen. This also leaves McAdoo with a very small safety net and he starts in a bad position. What if this team goes 6-10 or worse next season? Does he get a pass? At least if we had cleaned house there could have been a bit of a learning curve with a new coach and they could spin it but if we have yet another losing season I dont see how this goes well. Even at 7-9 or 8-8.
Where is the accountability? So is McAdoo at least in the short term an improvement over Coughlin? Doubtful just from an experience standpoint. Is Philbin an improvement over McAdoo as OC? If he is then we should have hired Philbin. And Spags is status quo on D. So we are to believe that some FA money is going to make this team that much better? We need a lot on both sides of the ball and we do not currently have the player to build around on D. A guy like that will not come cheap and a rookie probably wont make that jump in his 1st season.
On D we need pass rushers, we have none signed. We need a MLB in the worst way. We need a Safety and CB. On O we need a #2 WR. It may be time to move on from Cruz just from an injury standpoint he is not a guy you can count on. That FA money is going to go quickly.
I am curious to find out what we do in the strength and conditioning area. I hope that we at least address that.
At the end of the day I will hope for the best but expect the worst. Not a lot to be excited about here.
Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.
Bill, there's plenty on YouTube, get a head start.
I thought his press conferences were always pretty interesting - candid, direct, and clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-8K1NHFAk - ( New Window )
This does nothing to fix the problems this franchise is facing.
Faced with those problems, Ownership by their actions NOT words, which are pointless, essentially blamed everything on Coughlin.
And told the players, many of whom really loved their head coach and were in tears at that presser, that the man they revere was the problem, no one else.
This does nothing to fix the problems this franchise is facing.
Faced with those problems, Ownership by their actions NOT words, which are pointless, essentially blamed everything on Coughlin.
And told the players, many of whom really loved their head coach and were in tears at that presser, that the man they revere was the problem, no one else.
This was deck chair re-arrangement at its finest.
The problem for the last couple of years has been the TALENT of the players. No coach would have gotten to the playoffs with the teams they were given over the last 3 years. Unfortunately, there had to be a fall guy other than Reese, because he apparently will get 1 more year to turn things around. It ALL comes down to Reese one way or another.
Management values that considering 20% of payroll is invested in the position
I am not worried about Eli's production. I'm worried about this D able to stop anyone. I can understand making the HC the fall guy. But, with their personnel issues, defensive woes, and lack of production in certain areas, I am pissed that virtually everyone else gets to keep their job and one got a promotion.
McAdoo could have taken his name out of consideration in Philly.
I know Anthony personally.
He does have contacts in the Ny market
He used to work for the Post
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I know Anthony personally.
He does have contacts in the Ny market
He used to work for the Post
Oh ok.
Thanks for the insight.
Douche?
Do you know him personally?
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while a douche, is buddies with Spags.
Douche?
Do you know him personally?
Ok, presents himself as a douche on the radio every day. Better?
1) McAdoo HC
2) Smith as DC
3) Sullivan promoted to OC
4) Philbin as QB coach
How does this look like anything, if it's true?
All we know about McAdoo is that he's very well thought of by guys like Tom Coughlin and Mike McCarthy, Eli loves him, and that he was at least able to field a top ten unit as OC.
We have no idea what he is as an HC (which can be scary, yes). We weren't in his interviews or in the office with him.
Can't stand him. And his voice doesn't help matters.
I don't think he is.
1) McAdoo HC
2) Smith as DC
3) Sullivan promoted to OC
4) Philbin as QB coach
Rather Philbin be OC
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 34s34 seconds ago
Source: "Looking good" for McAdoo to be next Giants head coach.
Ben McAdoo, an internal favorite from the start, appears to be closing in on a deal to become next head coach of the #Giants, per source.
Jordan Raanan Retweeted Anthony Gargano
Hearing this too. With joe Philbin as a potential OC #giants
Jordan Raanan Retweeted Anthony Gargano
Hearing this too. With joe Philbin as a potential OC #giants
has Philbin ever had success..?
Source: "Looking good" for McAdoo to be next Giants head coach.
Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Another source says Ben McAdoo "closing in on a deal to be next Giants head coach."
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
won a fucking SB with the pack, so not much....
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
won a fucking SB with the pack, so not much....
that sounded angrier than i meant it....don't have much of an opinion on philbin.
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
Called plays for Mike McCarthy when the Packers won their super bowl 5 years ago. That's how he got the dolphin job.
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
More than Sullivan has. And Im pretty sure he was the OC when Green Bay won the Super Bowl
Folks may grumble, but you can't complain that the team didn't buy what wasn't out there to be bought. Saban, Cowher, Gruden - none were interested in the job. Jackson and Gase both got snapped up before we could make an offer.
He didn't get a raw deal. That locker room was completely out of control.
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
Called plays for Mike McCarthy when the Packers won their super bowl 5 years ago. That's how he got the dolphin job.
McCarthy called his own plays until this year.
I'd expect same from McAdoo.
Can't ... tell ... if ... serious.
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
Called plays for Mike McCarthy when the Packers won their super bowl 5 years ago. That's how he got the dolphin job.
McCarthy called his own plays until this year.
I stand corrected.
Eli Manning publicly stated he wanted the offense to remain the same. He also did so privately. Big key for McAdoo's candidacy.
No kidding.
Might be good to have an OL/TE specialist. I didn't know Philbin was a career offensive line coach till I looked it up.
Heard Mcadoo from day 1. Guess the smoke proved there was fire after all
Lmao I like that and you may or may not be wrong.
Now go out and hire a new DC.
For someone who has been as dead wrong about so much since you called Tiki Barber a bust, you would think an ounce of humility or self awareness would have emerged. But no, you decided to double down on the aggressive stupidity.
I have two words for the Giants: DEE - FENSE!!!
Let's go 3-4 and party like it's 1989.
I'm very satisfied with this finally becoming official.
Who does Eli want?
The big key here is DC.
Schwartz or Smith please.
Let's see if they get Mike Smith as DC and they will have 2 former HC on staff along with Philbin
Especially with guys like Schwartz, Pettine, and Smith out there
Hopefully the New York Packers will fare better than the New York Broncos did! Haha
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As the offensive coordinator. Cool with both moves.
has Philbin ever had success..?
Only as OC of the Packers. Does that qualify?
Yep. Team wanted to keep things running smoothly with the QB, so they actually will be not bringing in a DC. Just another OC. And they will try to play offense on defense.
Yup.
@Jeff_McLane
#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
Now we need to see who will command the D, but more importantly how is JR going to improve the roster.
@Jeff_McLane
#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Got bluffed.
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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
This.
Plus he is our best and most important player. Plus he is upset they got rid of his only pro HC. Plus he had a fantastic season. It's not a bad thought process.
Same
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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Yep. Team wanted to keep things running smoothly with the QB, so they actually will be not bringing in a DC. Just another OC. And they will try to play offense on defense.
Probably would not go that much worse than things have lately.
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#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Really because his stints with the Rams and Saints say otherwise.
Ugh.
Plan right now is for Steve Spagnuolo, who interviewed for the NYG HC gig, to remain as defensive coordinator, sources say.
Haha! Favorite post in the thread.
I'm fine with this. It was a pretty uninspiring group of coaches available once it became clear the big fish (Cowher, Saban, Shaw) were staying put. Keeps the continuity for Eli and the offense. Now invest heavily in D and let's go.
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
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says Spags stays as DC
Ugh.
JFC.
People will flip out over this, but it's not a big deal. We know that Spags can coach defense. We need major talent upgrades.
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says Spags stays as DC
Ugh.
So the owners and FO are pretty much saying the ineptitude was all because of Coughlin?
Finger crossed this isn't a screw up. hopefully not
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again but here we are.
Well said we are in the beginning of a 15 yr down cycle. Team has no talent and no coach. Their franchise QB has 3 seasons left max. They wont win with this talent around him. Then the search begins for a new QB. You know how long that could take? Just ask the Jets.
John Mara is a talent-less executive wh has done nothing in life but get handed the family business. This is going to get ugly.
👍👍👏😀 @Giants
Was suggested above that he might have been the source for Gargano to scoop the NY writers. Sign that he was in the loop.
I would have preferred to see Spags replaced. But not by Mike Smith.
Jeff Lurie and Howie Roseman? Probably how McAdoo takes his coffee.
That plus the Eli factor......it just seems like the most sensible thing to do,
I'm really happy with the choice.
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#Eagles were in on Ben McAdoo and we're ready to hire the new Giants head coach, according to two NFL sources.
Wow, 2 interviews 2 job offers. If he's as good a coach as he is an interviewee, we have something here.
This is as bad as it gets.
Having said that, I am not happy Spags is staying on as DC. Spags has been a total failure since 2008. I am not hopeful that the D will improve much.
Still think Marrone - McAdoo - Schwartz would have been best, but regardless, I don't mind the Mcadoo hire. We squeeze the last few years of Eli, and if it goes to shit, we blow it all up post Eli.
Keeping both coordinators just reeks of the Coughlin firing being a cosmetic change, however.
I really don't know what some people expected.
Fine with Spags staying as long as it was Macadoo's choice and not a mandate from the owners.
Belichick's clothes never fit..I can live w/lack of fashion as long as we win!
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
Hey, it worked out well for the Giants the last time they promoted their offensive coordinator. Why not do it again?
GO BIGBLUE!
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Another offensive genius. It's obvious this is an Eli focused decision if true which frankly speaks volumes that this francise continues to abandon its roots in defensive prowess. Defense, even in this day in age wins championships. Mediocrity to be continued.
Eli is 35, not 30. They have no choice. It HAD to be Eli focused. Continuity on offense will put them in position to earn a playoff berth. Rebuilding the defense will allow them to become a legit contender. If they changed both offense and defense, Eli likely loses 2 years. This hire gives them a chance from Day 1. You can't really say that confidently about anyone else.
This.
Plus he is our best and most important player. Plus he is upset they got rid of his only pro HC. Plus he had a fantastic season. It's not a bad thought process.
Agreed.
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So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
This. I'm not totally down on Spags as a coach, the Giants stayed in games early this season due exclusively to the D (the turnover machine the first 8 games). Things fell apart really when Prince and Kennard first got hurt, and went down hill when Hankins went down.
The part I dont like about this is from all the press conferences the Giants have had I'm expecting a large chunk of their available resources to go to the D, and if we dont see immediate improvement I dont like a first year coach having to deal with media / fan frenzy to fire one of his coordinators. With a new DC you at least buy yourself a year.
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
Even when they directly say otherwise and already placed the blame on the GM in a very public fashion?
Not sure what people are looking for here.
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
Even when they directly say otherwise and already placed the blame on the GM in a very public fashion?
Not sure what people are looking for here.
That blaming the GM stuff, was just out of respect for Tom. If they really blamed Reese, he would have been fired.
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
Would you classify what the Bucs did to Lovie the same way? Basically the Giants situation has mirrored the Bucs. Pushed out the HC in order to promote the young OC whom was gaining steam as a serious candidate around the league.
will someone put a countdown clock in his office ?
There was a lot wrong with the team. ONE of the changes was a new voice at the helm after 12 years. And I wanted them to keep Tom! But there's no reason to behave like theyre pinning this all on him. It'll be a different offense.
Hey, it worked out well for the Giants the last time they promoted their offensive coordinator. Why not do it again?
He was running backs coach until Earnhardt left two week prior but
Hey it makes good print so screw the facts
Bright, who stayed behind the scenes from the time he purchased the Cowboys in March 1984, until he criticized Landry's play-calling after a loss to Atlanta in 1987, was almost cold in discussing Landry's departure.
"This is a new generation of coaches and ownership," Bright said with emphasis. "This must evolve. It happens in every business."
The Cowboys offices have been inundated the last few days with calls in defense of Landry. But during the last three losing seasons, there have been almost as many calls criticizing Landry.
And now it will be Johnson who will have to deal with the pressures of not only coaching the NFL's most visible team, but following a legend.
Johnson won one national championship at Miami and came close on another two. Jones said he expects to win this season, but considering the Cowboys talent level, that might be tough.
History Repeats Itself. Just With a Better Team And Better Owner - ( New Window )
Giants needed to move on this. Lots of rumblings that Philly has Mcadoo atop its HC list.
From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.
He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.
Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
If so, we should have kept Perry Fewell. Defense was short on talent last season. And he won a super bowl. And he didn't have defensive disasters with two other teams.
Jet fan. No doubt.
From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.
He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.
Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
Great post as always Osi. I'm not as down on Marrone, and thought either him or McAdoo would be the best outside of the obvious "big fish" that were obviously not motivated to jump back in the NFL.
The Org that's given us two Superbowls in the last decade.
Seifert took over an already dominant team. Bill Walsh was still a great coach towards the end of his tenure, TC not so much.
You really have to ask? Click, click.
Must be awful looking at the world through shit-colored glasses...
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...is a shoe-in.
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Kevin Kernan
So essentially the Giants just said "it's all Tom's fault."
This line of thinking should really stop, it's such a lazy conclusion.
No its not, when you keep both coordinators, thats exactly what you're saying.
Even when they directly say otherwise and already placed the blame on the GM in a very public fashion?
Not sure what people are looking for here.
That blaming the GM stuff, was just out of respect for Tom. If they really blamed Reese, he would have been fired.
It's a mistake to think that the only form of accountability and correction is firing someone.
Last time McAdoo-Philbin shared sideline? Their 15-1 Packers were upset, 37-20, in NFC divisional rd by eventual SB champion Giants in 2011.
If he doesn't, it'll be his first mistake.
Uhhhhh, what?
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franchise. Should have kept TC.
Uhhhhh, what?
Promoting Eli's coach after two 6-10 seasons. Enough said.
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Why are you a fan
Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.
Must be awful looking at the world through shit-colored glasses...
Well they are consistent, miserable but consistent
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responsible for anything more than the offense.
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
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for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?
Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.
He was in that losing locker room for two seasons. How did we run the ball? His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?
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for when he forces a 12 year coach out. How does this support that premise when you bring back the DC and OC as the new HC from that team?
Because McAdoo hasn't been here for 12 years. And the two years he was here, the offense wasn't problem with the team.
He was in that losing locker room for two seasons. How did we run the ball? His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?
Eli was in the lockerroom, too. As was Spags who is coming back. McAdoo fixed the offense as soon as he got here and the QB had two of the best years of his career these past two years.
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responsible for anything more than the offense.
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
Hence my original comment about the Mannings. And let's face it, there were times when the offense was absolutely abysmal.
His success is tied to OBJ and we know it. What happened when he didn't play?
An extremely small sample size happened.
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responsible for anything more than the offense.
What he is responsible for is arguably the best or second best season of Eli's career and delivering positive results immediately when he was brought in two years ago.
Thank Odell Beckham, not Ben McAdoo.
Nah. I'm not really going to pin everything good that they do on offense on Odell. Eli supporting Mcadoo speaks volumes, as does Coughlin hiring him in the first place.
Hence my original comment about the Mannings. And let's face it, there were times when the offense was absolutely abysmal.
There were times when the offense was abysmal under gilbride, in years they were a top 10 scoring offense. it happens.
7.01 YPA, 2.25 TD/G, 66.9%, 93.6 passer rating
Eli's stats from 2014 after Beckham:
7.44 YPA, 1.75 TD/G, 61.9%, 91.7 passer rating
They were 8th in 2014 in the RZ and McAdoo was actually in charge of a lot of the RZ concepts his last year in GB.
They had issues down there in 2015, obviously, but he's not permanently incompetent down there.
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I've seen nothing, that makes me think McAdoo deserves this job. NOTHING.
They were 8th in 2014 in the RZ and McAdoo was actually in charge of a lot of the RZ concepts his last year in GB.
They had issues down there in 2015, obviously, but he's not permanently incompetent down there.
Considering how many close games they dropped this season. You can make the case that his units shiitty performance in the RZ, is just as responsible for this season as the defense. Yet hes been promoted.
Alot of people feel that same exact way re: Reese keeping his job. *shrug*
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IMO, McAdoo was brought in here as a coach in waiting, despite what they say. I believe he was an owner and a Reese pick to succeed TC if all went well. With little talent, he's done very well, only backing up the high opinions he is beginning to garner around league circles. As with personell it's better to get rid of your old coach a year or two too early to be set up for the next decade plus if you believe in who you can hire.
Plus they know what he's capable of, know whether TC was holding him back to any degree, and he's been here -- knows Eli, etc.
I think Eli quickly saw what McAdoo was doing was working, and that maybe the the old ball coach was inhibiting things a little, and during the sad press conference day I couldn't help but feel that perhaps Eli inadvertently felt like he put the slug in TC by answering how much McAdoo helped him, only reaffirming the front offices opinion that McAdoo is the right guy.
From a PR standpoint, Giants know McAdoo is young, he's not a sexy name. So from a public standpoint you have to cast a wider net that their usual 3-4 candidates to make it seem like wow, we've turned over every stone and Ben is by far and away the best. Let the emotions of TC's departure fade as well. It's been a week, the buzz is down. I'd expect something by around mid-week.
A lot of PR, public opinion seed planting that has gone on... I would except McAdoo to be named head coach by just reading the tea leaves.
I would puke at Marrone, and especially Mike Smith, whom I hope is more a DC candidate. And as DC, Smith can be here, or maybe Ben will flip to a 3-4, which he experienced in Green Bay. That side can be a fun development to watch.
I hope the Giants don't waste much time with McAdoo and don't let him slip through. If he's the right guy, and I think he is, you seal the deal and be confident in your choice.
I don't know about that. I find it a little hard to believe that if Eli had lobbied hard to keep TC that he wouldn't still have his job.
Don't go by the show of emotion - it's possible to think that TC had run his course and still feel bad that the day had come. The Giants hired BM and are going to retain Spagnuolo. They could have kept TC as well if Eli felt strongly enough about it.
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From the outside he just doesn't seem to have that "presence" to lead a group of men like Coughlin did. That's my question mark with him. What kind of respect does he have within the players in that locker room, especially since some of those players undoubtedly believe that Coughlin shouldn't have been fired for him.
He helped save Eli's career, 2013 was an utter disaster. Beckham being a special talent certainly helped. But this offense was broken and he helped fix it. Have to give him atleast a little respect for that.
Cautiously optimistic that he does a good job. Glad we gave him a chance over one of the retreads.
Great post as always Osi. I'm not as down on Marrone, and thought either him or McAdoo would be the best outside of the obvious "big fish" that were obviously not motivated to jump back in the NFL.
Well said, guys. Couldn't quite put my finger on my one reservation, but Osi said it well. I'm fine with the hire but if there's one question I have with McAdoo, it's not X's and O's, it's his ability to lead and inspire a team. He hasn't appeared to have that dynamic personality to inspire like we've seen from TC, Tomlin, Arians, just to name a few. But we'll see what he does as the head guy now. Cautiously optimistic
Also, ask for a TE too.
A pair of top 10 offenses with little more than 2 good players. Shit, a top 10 offense with one of the worst offensive lines in team history (2014).
Imagine how good the offense could be with a 3rd good player?
Great strategy. Do all things out of fear. Seems like a reasonable plan.
I hope this works but this is basically keeping Coughlin but without his input IMO. It's a bizarre turn of events.
Why would you have a 70 year old coach stick around for a rebuild-but-we-can't-actually-say-the-word-rebuild?
As far as keeping Spags as DC it's impossible to give him a fair evaluation for 2015 with the dumpster fire defensive roster he had to work with. It was literally the worst talent I've ever seen assembled on that side of the ball in decades watching the team. We just hired the man, get him some players and see what he can do.
MacAdoo wasn't the direction I would have gone in but it's a done deal. He has my full support as he should have from all true Giants fans. #BBWC
Why would you have a 70 year old coach stick around for a rebuild-but-we-can't-actually-say-the-word-rebuild?
This is kind of my thinking as well, but I'd twist it somewhat differently - I think the Giants (properly) think in 3-5 year increments. They saw a no-win situation if they retained Coughlin while simultaneously wanting McAdoo as the next HC - if they had a great year next year they obviously couldn't fire Coughlin and McAdoo would likely be a hot candidate. Now, even if they have a bad next year they can point to the multi-year process. If they do well, they look smart.
I still think the team is an additional great offseason away from being a contender - if NYG agrees, why not have McAdoo take his lumps as Hc now?
I was against this move initially (I thought we may as well retain Coughlin another year) - but like it now.
Especially if Coughlin's first move is to fire Reese.
We are all supposedly Giants fans here so why not get behind our new head coach and wait until the games start before you decide on whether or not this was the right choice.
See Brents post above as an example
well it could be the fact that he had three losing seasons in a row... missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years. The team wasnt improving.. in fact it was getting worse.. He only had one year left on his deal after 2016 season.. He has been here 12 years and the voice does get stale after a while..
just a few reasons to let him go..
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Otherwise, why fire Coughlin? Either that or they were afraid McAdoo was going to go get a HC position from someone else.
well it could be the fact that he had three losing seasons in a row... missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years. The team wasnt improving.. in fact it was getting worse.. He only had one year left on his deal after 2016 season.. He has been here 12 years and the voice does get stale after a while..
just a few reasons to let him go..
At the same time, these moves don't make sense. You don't have 3 losing seasons in a row simply because of the HC. IF you are that fed up that you want the HOF HC gone, then you should also remove the GM when you say the actual problem is personnel. You should remove the DC who led the league's worst defense. You should remove the OC who had one of the worst red zone defenses. You should remove a good portion of the personnel department.
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now get Eli and Spags some better players, please.
Yeah, I love one of the most over rated DCs whos has had one of the worst defenses of all time, not once, but twice.
The Giants don't win Super Bowl 42 without him.
You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
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I hope this is what happens:
1) McAdoo HC
2) Smith as DC
3) Sullivan promoted to OC
4) Philbin as QB coach
Rather Philbin be OC
Regis?
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And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
This whole situation has allowed people to say crap like this and make it seem as though everything is so easy. So for once how about one of you guys who throw around BS statements like this actually go through the steps that were taken to so badly mismanage everything and waste Eli's years. I'd love to see one single person who uses these broad statements about the awful obvious mistakes, go through them and explain what it is thatyou mean.
This was a stupid hire and it will be proven as such in the near future. The Giants FO was and is the real problem here. The Franchise needed an infusion of new ideas and new thinking. Instead they went for more of the same.
Having seen this in the NFL and in College (Randy Shannon), I'm just going to sit back and watch the incoming fail.
The offense has been improving......add a couple of pieces......it should exel.
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And if so, it's a good plan. The guy is intelligent, young, and respected around the league. This is a hire with the intent to cover the next ten years, and the transition has been executed fairly smoothly. Eli years aren't being wasted.
You don't call the mismangement that has led to three straight losing seasons wasting Eli's years?
Separate issue. I'm talking about this hire.
In the end they did waste a couple Eli years by not changing the head coach sooner.
Exactly, that field position bs is outdated. Nobody gets stops anymore.
The math just doesn't support punting on the plus side of the field. Drives me nuts!
Exactly!
Sure is going to suck for Giants fans as the rookie learns how to be a HC for the next 5 years. This is why I can't believe this will happen.
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Its also obvious to me anyway that McAdoo and Coughlin must have not been on the same page a lot of the time because if they were...why would the owners put "Coughlin lite" in the HC position. In a small way I hope they did have a lot of disagreements because we need a big change in philosiphy and not the same old mediocre BS.
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Well, that would certainly be an upgrade.
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Well, that would certainly be an upgrade.
IIRC, we were coming off a victory in SBXXV so it was a letdown at the time.....
7 years of NFL coaching experience.
Both offensive minded.
Both coached at Stanford.
Same haircut and pant size.
McAdoo, McAdoo, McAdoo, McAdoo!!!
Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.
So, I am on board with McAdoo. You kind of had to be, since his hiring seemed like a done deal as early as last year. The biggest issues with this team (in my opinion) are defensive personnel. Not sure if he has shown any interest in that side of the ball, but now its his job to help fix it.
One last thing: Coughlin was all about balance. They had to run the ball, and if you watched any games this year or last you saw a team that tried to run the ball whether that was there or not. I think that's Coughlin's influence. If you watch any GB games, the philosophy is to take what the defense gives you. They're happy to throw 60 times if the defense doesn't defend it well. All I'm saying is that I think we'll see a change to even more of a WCO next year.
This was a stupid hire and it will be proven as such in the near future. The Giants FO was and is the real problem here. The Franchise needed an infusion of new ideas and new thinking. Instead they went for more of the same.
Having seen this in the NFL and in College (Randy Shannon), I'm just going to sit back and watch the incoming fail.
You really are an abysmal poster. Absolutely miserable at all times. You've been wrong about anything and everything. Just stop. Log off, and walk away. Stop ruining this site for those that aren't nearly as pessimistic and depressing.
Holy shit, man.
My two cents -- for the record -- is that this is the logical, best available option given the mess they were in, and who is available at this point in time.
There is no SLAM DUNK candidate available. The Giants were going to have to roll the dice on whoever they picked anyway, and this preserves the good things McAdoo brought.
This choice is a gamble on potential rather than on established mediocrity. This is what NFL teams do ALL THE TIME. If BM (ha! get used to that) is the next Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton, it will have paid off. If not, it won't.
All I know is that no one HERE knows McAdoo and what he's made of, so anyone saying he will be a disaster should be mocked and/or ignored. And anyone saying he will DEFINITELY be the next great coach also doesn't know.
At least the Giants have had him in the building for two years getting to know him and what he's about, and prior to that, they were very excited to land him as OC. They saw and see potential as early as that. And other NFL teams see it too. I trust that more than nay-sayers here.
We'll all have to wait and see how it works out. I'm hoping for the best and not expecting the worst.
One thing I had already picked up on from McAdoo's press conferences as OC is that he had already mastered the art of talking while saying absolutely nothing.
Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.
Bill, there's plenty on YouTube, get a head start.
I thought his press conferences were always pretty interesting - candid, direct, and clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-8K1NHFAk - ( New Window )
The offense is good....a few upgrades could make it very good. The defense is bad...make it OK and this is probably a playoff team. All of which can be done quickly.
Of course I will root hard for his to be successful but I just think this just more of the same we have seen. This also leaves McAdoo with a very small safety net and he starts in a bad position. What if this team goes 6-10 or worse next season? Does he get a pass? At least if we had cleaned house there could have been a bit of a learning curve with a new coach and they could spin it but if we have yet another losing season I dont see how this goes well. Even at 7-9 or 8-8.
Where is the accountability? So is McAdoo at least in the short term an improvement over Coughlin? Doubtful just from an experience standpoint. Is Philbin an improvement over McAdoo as OC? If he is then we should have hired Philbin. And Spags is status quo on D. So we are to believe that some FA money is going to make this team that much better? We need a lot on both sides of the ball and we do not currently have the player to build around on D. A guy like that will not come cheap and a rookie probably wont make that jump in his 1st season.
On D we need pass rushers, we have none signed. We need a MLB in the worst way. We need a Safety and CB. On O we need a #2 WR. It may be time to move on from Cruz just from an injury standpoint he is not a guy you can count on. That FA money is going to go quickly.
I am curious to find out what we do in the strength and conditioning area. I hope that we at least address that.
At the end of the day I will hope for the best but expect the worst. Not a lot to be excited about here.
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looking forward to a long career here!!!
Interestingly, I've never heard him speak so I'll be quite anxious to hear the presser.
Bill, there's plenty on YouTube, get a head start.
I thought his press conferences were always pretty interesting - candid, direct, and clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q-8K1NHFAk - ( New Window )
that's a good piece of tape jcn
Faced with those problems, Ownership by their actions NOT words, which are pointless, essentially blamed everything on Coughlin.
And told the players, many of whom really loved their head coach and were in tears at that presser, that the man they revere was the problem, no one else.
This was deck chair re-arrangement at its finest.
Faced with those problems, Ownership by their actions NOT words, which are pointless, essentially blamed everything on Coughlin.
And told the players, many of whom really loved their head coach and were in tears at that presser, that the man they revere was the problem, no one else.
This was deck chair re-arrangement at its finest.
The problem for the last couple of years has been the TALENT of the players. No coach would have gotten to the playoffs with the teams they were given over the last 3 years. Unfortunately, there had to be a fall guy other than Reese, because he apparently will get 1 more year to turn things around. It ALL comes down to Reese one way or another.
Details. Contracts. Probably personal things.