but he did not deliver consistently. He would have a huge game and then he would disappear for two games in a row. To me, that is not a hall of fame type of career/performance.
He was better than average, but not HOF. In fact, I can lineup about 10 WRs still playing who I would rather have on my team next season.
RE: He had the talent and ability to be in the HOF
but he did not deliver consistently. He would have a huge game and then he would disappear for two games in a row. To me, that is not a hall of fame type of career/performance.
He was better than average, but not HOF. In fact, I can lineup about 10 WRs still playing who I would rather have on my team next season.
Curious to see what your top 10 is over Johnson. For some reason, I thought Calvin was a FA, and I was salivating at the possibility - albeit slight - that somehow we could get him opposite OBJ. That would be unstoppable.
Johnson has more receiving yards in 9 seasons than any other player in history over the same number of seasons. No one in history has managed to do more over that short of a career.
7 of his 9 seasons he was over 1000 yards, one season he was 16 yards shy of 1000, and the other was his rookie year.
He's missed 9 games in 9 seasons and broke Jerry Rice's single season yards record.
And he did it all while playing for some shit teams over the years in Detroit and playing mostly against double teams and always against the best CBs in the league.
Yet we have someone saying he was merely above average. I'd say that's unbelievable but this is BBI and there are mental patients running amok as usual.
Johnson has more receiving yards in 9 seasons than any other player in history over the same number of seasons. No one in history has managed to do more over that short of a career.
7 of his 9 seasons he was over 1000 yards, one season he was 16 yards shy of 1000, and the other was his rookie year.
He's missed 9 games in 9 seasons and broke Jerry Rice's single season yards record.
And he did it all while playing for some shit teams over the years in Detroit and playing mostly against double teams and always against the best CBs in the league.
Yet we have someone saying he was merely above average. I'd say that's unbelievable but this is BBI and there are mental patients running amok as usual.
He is diffently an HOF but how much does only playing 9 seasons hurt him?
I doubt he is owed $24 million next year. There is a difference between how much he is getting paid and what his cap number is. If I am wrong I alologize.
If he hangs it up now. Longevity and total stats are a big factor, and it doesn't hurt to play on winning teams ( unfortunately he isn't that lucky).
He'd have to play another couple years and pad the stats IMO to make it into the hall.
and invisible in others. That is my point. I am not arguing that he is/was one of the most talented WRs in the game. He may get in the HOF and I would not argue about it if he did. I just dont like him being talked about like he is/was one of the best ever because he wasn't.
To the person who asked which 10 WRs in the game are better. That is not what I said. I said there were 10 I would rather have on my team next season. Big difference.
I want players at any position who are consistent. So, guys like Edelman for example are not as talented as Calvin but he delivers every week...period.
I doubt he is owed $24 million next year. There is a difference between how much he is getting paid and what his cap number is. If I am wrong I alologize.
He's owed $16 million yet with early retirement i bet he has to pay bonus dollars back. Could be wrong
at stats instead of the games. To David's point the way he was guarded during his prime was unheard of, especially how frequently it occurred. I've never seen a WR command even double, even triple coverage as much as Calvin Johnson.
Him retiring early shouldn't hurt him. Longevity has never been a question with him and he has more than half of his career spent with some of the worst QBs you will ever see.
and Larry Fitzgerald on Eli Manning's team and they would be the 2 best ever. Ha. Amazing that Fitzgerald especially has been playing with a qb who is not 1/4 as good as himself.
and he's likely a 1st ballot HOF. He was the best player at his position for a few years. The longevity is interesting because other guys will have played double. But he'd probably finish at the top.
and invisible in others. That is my point. I am not arguing that he is/was one of the most talented WRs in the game. He may get in the HOF and I would not argue about it if he did. I just dont like him being talked about like he is/was one of the best ever because he wasn't.
To the person who asked which 10 WRs in the game are better. That is not what I said. I said there were 10 I would rather have on my team next season. Big difference.
I want players at any position who are consistent. So, guys like Edelman for example are not as talented as Calvin but he delivers every week...period.
and invisible in others. That is my point. I am not arguing that he is/was one of the most talented WRs in the game. He may get in the HOF and I would not argue about it if he did. I just dont like him being talked about like he is/was one of the best ever because he wasn't.
To the person who asked which 10 WRs in the game are better. That is not what I said. I said there were 10 I would rather have on my team next season. Big difference.
I want players at any position who are consistent. So, guys like Edelman for example are not as talented as Calvin but he delivers every week...period.
Ah, Fantasy football. So much like real life.
Exactly. Make believe fantasy Dungeons & Dragons Football clown show by the usual suspects.
Let me guess. He drafted Clavin Johnson in his make believe league and he was disappointed. And that formed his football opinion. What a joke.
I do agree that the writers, being the shitty bunch they are, will probably have a problem with him hanging 'em up early and the limited playoff success/sample size doesn't help him, but on his merits I don't see how anyone could contend he's not destined for the HoF.
Julian Edelman being compared favorably to Calvin Johnson, huh?
and a sacred commitment of so many contrarians here to disagree.
There is no reasonable statement that they won't spend energy and trivia trying to compromise.. Attention getting or just plain cussedness...doesn't matter.
For ten years the man has been the best or near best at his position. He is in the conversation for the best of all time.
Still people need to disagree....he is a first time HOF'er and as much as I like Michael he is not in the conversation as the best defensive lineman I ever saw.
RE: Julian Edelman being compared favorably to Calvin Johnson, huh?
Julian Edelman isn't fit to shine Calvin Johnson's shoes as a wide receiver.
No, and reading comprehension again is a problem for some of you. I said I would rather have Edelman on my team next season. This is not comparing the two nor is it saying that Edelman is a superior talent.
RE: RE: Julian Edelman being compared favorably to Calvin Johnson, huh?
Julian Edelman isn't fit to shine Calvin Johnson's shoes as a wide receiver.
No, and reading comprehension again is a problem for some of you. I said I would rather have Edelman on my team next season. This is not comparing the two nor is it saying that Edelman is a superior talent.
on any team he's on with any QB. Edelman has carved out a nice career but let's be serious, how good would he be on even an average team with an average QB?
on any team he's on with any QB. Edelman has carved out a nice career but let's be serious, how good would he be on even an average team with an average QB?
on this Giants team, which WR does Eli truly need next year? If you know our offense and Eli's game and comfort zone, you know he needs that top tier slot WR which Edelman is. Eli used to have Cruz who was his go to guy when he needed a key 3rd down conversion. It is not sexy but that sustains drives and wins games. He already has OBJ for the big play. This one man's opinion is that Calvin is more of that big play threat. The guy you throw it up to because he is just that much bigger than everyone else. He is not necessarily a move the chains kind of WR.
on any team he's on with any QB. Edelman has carved out a nice career but let's be serious, how good would he be on even an average team with an average QB?
on this Giants team, which WR does Eli truly need next year? If you know our offense and Eli's game and comfort zone, you know he needs that top tier slot WR which Edelman is. Eli used to have Cruz who was his go to guy when he needed a key 3rd down conversion. It is not sexy but that sustains drives and wins games. He already has OBJ for the big play. This one man's opinion is that Calvin is more of that big play threat. The guy you throw it up to because he is just that much bigger than everyone else. He is not necessarily a move the chains kind of WR.
I don't need an education on how valuable a slot WR is. And re-read my post, i'm saying that Edelman is no where near as valuable on most other teams in the NFL. Edelman's 3 years starting in the NFL has been with the best coach and best QB (arguably); meanwhile Calvin rotted in Detroit, began his career with Kitna and Hill, and got doubled or triple teamed every damn play. He's since played with a big armed but rather suspect Stafford who isn't in the same stratosphere as Brady.
Also Edelman in 3 years has missed the same amount of games as Calvin did in 9.
with education on concussions and CTE, the amount of guys playing 10+ seasons are going to start to dwindle. Outside of QB's who are incredible protected, I don't think many other position players will be putting up 15 season careers, certainly not as many as we are used to seeing.
In other words, I don't think him retiring early will be held against him all that much.
and is coming off another injury plagued year. Why are you guys asking who would be a better fit next season???
Calvin was the better player than Edelman. Bye for now.
Its a hypothetical and Edelman was more hurt. Calvin put up 88/1200/9 in a dysfunctional offense. Still really good numbers despite being banged up as well.
Poster who is clueless enough to say that Calvin Johnson is not a hall of Famer, a team can take a wideout out of a game by doubling a guy and a good team will realize this and go to the open man, now I know this must be too hard of a theory for you to comprehend so maybe a guy like you needs to just listen to others who say he is without a doubt a Hall of famer, I make this suggestion to spare you from embarrassing yourself.
I remember the same complaints from Giant fans about Plax, and he was not as good as Calvin Johnson, who is not only a hall of famer, but one of the 5 best wideouts to ever play this game.
CTE has a lot of guys thinking sbout making their money...
First ballot HOF without question
Strahan did more
He was better than average, but not HOF. In fact, I can lineup about 10 WRs still playing who I would rather have on my team next season.
He was better than average, but not HOF. In fact, I can lineup about 10 WRs still playing who I would rather have on my team next season.
Curious to see what your top 10 is over Johnson. For some reason, I thought Calvin was a FA, and I was salivating at the possibility - albeit slight - that somehow we could get him opposite OBJ. That would be unstoppable.
86 yards per game. Per year.
I don't know if that's first ballot hall of fame.
7 of his 9 seasons he was over 1000 yards, one season he was 16 yards shy of 1000, and the other was his rookie year.
He's missed 9 games in 9 seasons and broke Jerry Rice's single season yards record.
And he did it all while playing for some shit teams over the years in Detroit and playing mostly against double teams and always against the best CBs in the league.
Yet we have someone saying he was merely above average. I'd say that's unbelievable but this is BBI and there are mental patients running amok as usual.
7 of his 9 seasons he was over 1000 yards, one season he was 16 yards shy of 1000, and the other was his rookie year.
He's missed 9 games in 9 seasons and broke Jerry Rice's single season yards record.
And he did it all while playing for some shit teams over the years in Detroit and playing mostly against double teams and always against the best CBs in the league.
Yet we have someone saying he was merely above average. I'd say that's unbelievable but this is BBI and there are mental patients running amok as usual.
He is diffently an HOF but how much does only playing 9 seasons hurt him?
I doubt he is owed $24 million next year. There is a difference between how much he is getting paid and what his cap number is. If I am wrong I alologize.
He'd have to play another couple years and pad the stats IMO to make it into the hall.
To the person who asked which 10 WRs in the game are better. That is not what I said. I said there were 10 I would rather have on my team next season. Big difference.
I want players at any position who are consistent. So, guys like Edelman for example are not as talented as Calvin but he delivers every week...period.
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I doubt he is owed $24 million next year. There is a difference between how much he is getting paid and what his cap number is. If I am wrong I alologize.
He's owed $16 million yet with early retirement i bet he has to pay bonus dollars back. Could be wrong
first Sanders, now Megatron. that's rough
Him retiring early shouldn't hurt him. Longevity has never been a question with him and he has more than half of his career spent with some of the worst QBs you will ever see.
first Sanders, now Megatron. that's rough
living in Detroit probably gets old fast.
FACT. Detroit will not win as long as they employ Edsall.
Even three weren't enough sometimes to stop him.
He was an incredible WR. Anyone trying to claim he was "just" above average or would disappear really doesn't know much about football.
To the person who asked which 10 WRs in the game are better. That is not what I said. I said there were 10 I would rather have on my team next season. Big difference.
I want players at any position who are consistent. So, guys like Edelman for example are not as talented as Calvin but he delivers every week...period.
Ah, Fantasy football. So much like real life.
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and invisible in others. That is my point. I am not arguing that he is/was one of the most talented WRs in the game. He may get in the HOF and I would not argue about it if he did. I just dont like him being talked about like he is/was one of the best ever because he wasn't.
To the person who asked which 10 WRs in the game are better. That is not what I said. I said there were 10 I would rather have on my team next season. Big difference.
I want players at any position who are consistent. So, guys like Edelman for example are not as talented as Calvin but he delivers every week...period.
Ah, Fantasy football. So much like real life.
Exactly. Make believe fantasy Dungeons & Dragons Football clown show by the usual suspects.
Let me guess. He drafted Clavin Johnson in his make believe league and he was disappointed. And that formed his football opinion. What a joke.
Only 9.seasons? I wont go that far as to say lock.
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Only 9.seasons? I wont go that far as to say lock.
there's another player.....played 9 years exactly. I'll let you guess who. He was a lock. Same reasons.Better....better....but same.
I do agree that the writers, being the shitty bunch they are, will probably have a problem with him hanging 'em up early and the limited playoff success/sample size doesn't help him, but on his merits I don't see how anyone could contend he's not destined for the HoF.
Julian Edelman isn't fit to shine Calvin Johnson's shoes as a wide receiver.
Julian Edelman isn't fit to shine Calvin Johnson's shoes as a wide receiver.
SOme of these posters must be smoking crack on a casual basis now.
There is no reasonable statement that they won't spend energy and trivia trying to compromise.. Attention getting or just plain cussedness...doesn't matter.
For ten years the man has been the best or near best at his position. He is in the conversation for the best of all time.
Still people need to disagree....he is a first time HOF'er and as much as I like Michael he is not in the conversation as the best defensive lineman I ever saw.
Julian Edelman isn't fit to shine Calvin Johnson's shoes as a wide receiver.
No, and reading comprehension again is a problem for some of you. I said I would rather have Edelman on my team next season. This is not comparing the two nor is it saying that Edelman is a superior talent.
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Julian Edelman isn't fit to shine Calvin Johnson's shoes as a wide receiver.
No, and reading comprehension again is a problem for some of you. I said I would rather have Edelman on my team next season. This is not comparing the two nor is it saying that Edelman is a superior talent.
Edelman and Brady or just Edelman?
on this Giants team, which WR does Eli truly need next year? If you know our offense and Eli's game and comfort zone, you know he needs that top tier slot WR which Edelman is. Eli used to have Cruz who was his go to guy when he needed a key 3rd down conversion. It is not sexy but that sustains drives and wins games. He already has OBJ for the big play. This one man's opinion is that Calvin is more of that big play threat. The guy you throw it up to because he is just that much bigger than everyone else. He is not necessarily a move the chains kind of WR.
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Only 9.seasons? I wont go that far as to say lock.
Jimmy Brown 9 seasons..Gale Sayers 7..Barry Sanders did play 1 more year than Brown
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on any team he's on with any QB. Edelman has carved out a nice career but let's be serious, how good would he be on even an average team with an average QB?
on this Giants team, which WR does Eli truly need next year? If you know our offense and Eli's game and comfort zone, you know he needs that top tier slot WR which Edelman is. Eli used to have Cruz who was his go to guy when he needed a key 3rd down conversion. It is not sexy but that sustains drives and wins games. He already has OBJ for the big play. This one man's opinion is that Calvin is more of that big play threat. The guy you throw it up to because he is just that much bigger than everyone else. He is not necessarily a move the chains kind of WR.
I don't need an education on how valuable a slot WR is. And re-read my post, i'm saying that Edelman is no where near as valuable on most other teams in the NFL. Edelman's 3 years starting in the NFL has been with the best coach and best QB (arguably); meanwhile Calvin rotted in Detroit, began his career with Kitna and Hill, and got doubled or triple teamed every damn play. He's since played with a big armed but rather suspect Stafford who isn't in the same stratosphere as Brady.
Also Edelman in 3 years has missed the same amount of games as Calvin did in 9.
In other words, I don't think him retiring early will be held against him all that much.
It wouldn't even be a debate for them.
I'd love to see him go to a contender but at the same time I really respect the decision and hope he does great things in his next career.
Calvin was the better player than Edelman. Bye for now.
Calvin was the better player than Edelman. Bye for now.
Its a hypothetical and Edelman was more hurt. Calvin put up 88/1200/9 in a dysfunctional offense. Still really good numbers despite being banged up as well.
I remember the same complaints from Giant fans about Plax, and he was not as good as Calvin Johnson, who is not only a hall of famer, but one of the 5 best wideouts to ever play this game.