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Strahan91 : 3/9/2016 4:56 pm
@MikeGarafolo 4s4 seconds ago
Giants get DE Olivier Vernon, source says. For real.
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This one is real  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/9/2016 4:56 pm : link
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 40s40 seconds ago
Giants get DE Olivier Vernon, source says. For real.
Ruh Roh  
glowrider : 3/9/2016 4:56 pm : link
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About fucking time  
Vin R : 3/9/2016 4:56 pm : link
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HOLY SH*T!!!!  
mphbullet36 : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
LETS GO~!!!!
If it really is "for real"  
Bill L : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
that's an outstanding first day's work.
.  
Danny Kanell : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
Please be fucking real.
Afraid  
Mark from Jersey : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
of the $$$ but a position of need. Welcome aboard!
Lets try this again...  
Capt. Don : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
DOING WORK!
Wow  
Chris684 : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
Holy sh*t!

BIG WEDNESDAY!!!
wow  
ANGPASS : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
yay
Reese penny pinching  
mfsd : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
and asleep at the switch today
HOLY CRAP  
jlukes : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
DEFENSE! DEFENSE!
Rapoport too:  
soz915 : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
@RapSheet 46 seconds ago
Olivier Vernon is headed to the Giants, source said
Nice job Jerry  
Patrick : 3/9/2016 4:57 pm : link
But I'd sure he overpaid. (j/k)

Psyched!
Time to suit up baby!  
Vin R : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
We have a pass rush like 2007 !  
Canton : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
Just got chills! Fuck yeahhhhhhhhh!!!
Given the Bidding War  
Bernie : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
I am afraid of what this is going to cost. He better produce...
Wow really reworking DL kudos to Reese.  
Watson : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
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Scheffter just confirmed on NFL Live  
Kevin in CT : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
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Wow that really is on his twitter  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
I'm really worried about the amount now.
Slate  
dust_bowl : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
Gets his vengeance.
AntDog...Slade...Eric. jtgiants  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
anybody want to chime in??
!!!!  
Gmen108021 : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
ESPN REPORTING!!!! ITS REAL BABY!!!
Schefter  
phillygiant : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
Just reported it

Wow
YAY  
PepperMYJohnson : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
HOLY BAT SHIT BATMAN LOL
Probably  
AcidTest : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
overpaid, but that’s the market.
let's  
MookGiants : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
get a free safety now
Our DLine  
jvm52106 : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
RDE- Vernon
Dt- Harrison
Dt- Hankins
LDE- JPP

major improvment over last year. I would like to see Ayers back as a rotational guy and hope that Odi can turn things on in year 2, ala Strahan who did nothing his rookie season and neither did Tuck.
In Reese We Trust  
Canton : 3/9/2016 4:58 pm : link
LOL!
Slade is vindicated!  
Capt. Don : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
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JPP-Snacks-Hank-Vernon  
j_rud : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
Wow...
Whoa....  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
that's a LOT of defensive line.
This defensive line went from crap to insane  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
Jerry Reese must have been told in no uncertain terms by Mara that his head is on the chopping block if this does not turn around.

Wondering how much money they forked over though
fer reelz  
SHO'NUFF : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
fer reelz?
Biggest contract for a 4-3 DE  
Vin R : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
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Putting the D back in Big Blue!  
trueblueinpw : 3/9/2016 4:59 pm : link
Defense! Defense! Defense!
hellllllllllllll  
ShocknAwe80 : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
yeaaaaaaahhhhhhh
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cue complaints about whatever the contract number is!
My goodness  
FranknWeezer : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
what a day in FA for the GMEN!!
RE: We have a pass rush like 2007 !  
Devon : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12849411 Canton said:
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Just got chills! Fuck yeahhhhhhhhh!!!


Not even close.

Hopefully they at least have a pass rush/DL now, after not having one last season.
WOW  
bigfrank612 : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
5 years $85!!!! WHOAA
Nice  
David in LA : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
not a bad start for Reese.
NICCCCE!  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
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contract  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
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Olivier Vernon gets $85M over 5 years — WOW — with $52.5M in guarantees.
I MIGHT PASS OUT  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
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Can we get Ayers back now? He's a nice player to have  
glowrider : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
And a safety. And a guard. And maybe a WR. That'll be a good first day.

But damn, the line has been addressed in a strong way - good for us, damn the money.
Which explains  
jvm52106 : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
why CB was signed and not safety. Gmen will put pressure on QB's and make them throw quicker. if CB's can hold up, safeties can be protected.
slade had a 50/50  
ECham : 3/9/2016 5:00 pm : link
chance of being right it was us or JAX
Let the season start now  
Coach LB : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
LET'S GO BLUE
Spags must be salivating at the bit  
Canton : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
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All  
AcidTest : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
these defensive signings have to increase the chance for an offensive pick at #10.
5 for 85 wow$$$  
Jerry's Kids : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
52 guaranteed
wow  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
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👀 RT @SI_PeterKing: Olivier Vernon:
5 years, $85 million, $52.5m guaranteed.
still would like to draft a DE  
madgiantscow009 : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
round 1 if the value is there. Possible OT now in RD 1.
Jesus  
RoBach18 : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
85 million 52 million guaranteed
5/85 !!  
PEEJ : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
holy moley
Slade rocks!  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
Lol
.  
Moondawg : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
WOW  
kelsto811 : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
that's a huge number.
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
Peter KingVerified account
‏@SI_PeterKing
Olivier Vernon:
5 years, $85 million, $52.5m guaranteed.
5/85  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/9/2016 5:01 pm : link
Holy fuck
85 million!!  
Canton : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
Holy fuck
40 Million guranteed per NFL network Wow  
steve in ky : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
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That  
AcidTest : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
is ridiculous money for Vernon.
EAT SHIT, PHILLY!  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
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they must really believe in  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
this kid
the changes  
wigs in nyc : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
JPP -> JPP
Prince -> Jenkins
Ayers -> Vernon
Kuhn -> Snacks
Huge contract - JJ WATT PLUS  
glowrider : 3/9/2016 5:02 pm : link
He better be the goods...
Very good time to go after a FS and RT  
Mason : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
Good job. Biggest FA period I think I ever saw with the Giants. WOW.
YES!  
Glover : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
YES! YES! YES! YES!
Go ahead and bitch about the price. The Giants HAD to do this. Now they will be a defense.

Still gotta go draft a DE in the first or second.
Sounds like Slade was right with his info when he heard it  
Chris684 : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
at 5/70.

The f*ckin Jaguars drove it up more on us.

Oh well.

I'm tired of wasting Eli Manning's talent. Time to have a team around him.

This defense got ALOT better today.
Still  
Mr. Nickels : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
need Free Safety Middle Linebacker Right Guard Right Tackle and probably Tight End.

Guard and Tackle most pressing.
RE: Jesus  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12849463 RoBach18 said:
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85 million 52 million guaranteed


He better be Bruce Smith or Reggie White level with that contract
Holy Shit!  
Bleedin Blue : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
What a get! Wowza on that contract! 52 mil for the first 3 yrs!
We brought out the brinks truck...  
Canton : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
to win that bidding war. Jags suck it!
Damn  
giantsfan227B : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
Not loving the Jenkins deal but signing DL, CB's if we can find some LB's in draft what a great year.
Smells a bit like this years Byron Maxwell  
bigbluescot : 3/9/2016 5:03 pm : link
decent player in a bare market.
I wanted him  
Deej : 3/9/2016 5:04 pm : link
but that's too rich a contract. Unless year 5 is at a 30 million non-guaranteed salary.
Good thing they signed JPP prior to this deal or just from pride  
steve in ky : 3/9/2016 5:04 pm : link
he would have wanted more.
5/85  
old man : 3/9/2016 5:04 pm : link
53M guaranteed.
Wow!!!!!!!!
If its structured as good as Jenkins, they can Still buy.
RE: That  
Devon : 3/9/2016 5:04 pm : link
In comment 12849475 AcidTest said:
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is ridiculous money for Vernon.


I wanted him, but I agree. Even in this market, that's too much for this player.

what's done is done though.
It will set the price for JPP next go around  
glowrider : 3/9/2016 5:05 pm : link
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Ah.....  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/9/2016 5:06 pm : link
His reps squeezed out the additional year.

That makes sense based on what I reported this morning.

I was hearing 4 for 60. I'd wager that a lot of it is loaded so it actually becomes closer to a 4 for 60.

Say what you want but this has Martin Mayhew and Kevin Abrams creativity all over it.

Good Job Giants.
$17.5 per  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/9/2016 5:06 pm : link
WOW!
An exciting day  
Gap92 : 3/9/2016 5:06 pm : link
RE: Still  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 5:06 pm : link
In comment 12849491 Mr. Nickels said:
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need Free Safety Middle Linebacker Right Guard Right Tackle and probably Tight End.

Guard and Tackle most pressing.


Now with DL set we could draft the tackle (Stanley) and see how Hart does at guard, which looks like a good spot for him
and there was much rejoicing  
Greg from LI : 3/9/2016 5:06 pm : link


This guy had better be goddamned good at that price
fine with me  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2016 5:06 pm : link
go all in at this point, hope it silences all the people who wanted big change, you just got it.
Stop worrying about the money  
jvm52106 : 3/9/2016 5:07 pm : link
and realize the Giants aren't going to sign 3 guys and then find people on the couch to fill in rest of the roster. We have money to play with- I suspect the comment on DRC's cointract being big could mean a restructuring could happen, Cruz will get a new deal and we still have plenty of room for mid level guys needed to make a roster whole...

Plus, the draft is coming up and the Gmen would be in prime shape to trade down and get extra picks.
Sorry  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/9/2016 5:07 pm : link
$17M per not $17.5M.
dpin  
old man : 3/9/2016 5:08 pm : link
If the rest of the D line does their job, he will remind you of them.
I  
AcidTest : 3/9/2016 5:09 pm : link
said before I thought Reese would turn into Dan Snyder. These are at least ascending players, not aging veterans. But this is a ton of money for Jenkins and Vernon, and would not have been necessary with better drafting and FA signings.
Great news. A huge get.  
yatqb : 3/9/2016 5:10 pm : link
We might have a defense again...if we land a FS, MLB and slot CB, that is.

But we're a LOT better than we were this morning!
This D!  
trueblueinpw : 3/9/2016 5:10 pm : link
JPP and Vernon on the edge, Hankins and Snacks up the middle. DRC and JJ over the top. LC in the box brining the pain. Our usual JAGs at LB. Fuck yeah. All of the sudden, this is a defense.
RE: dpin  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12849546 old man said:
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If the rest of the D line does their job, he will remind you of them.


From what I've seen of Vernon he is very good but not an all-timer at DE...so he better produce with that kind of contract
Maybe they'll draft an O-lineman @ #10  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/9/2016 5:12 pm : link
and try to milk out the rookie contracts on offense to afford this defense?
Vernon  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/9/2016 5:12 pm : link
Hankins, Harrison, Pierre-Paul

Odighizuwa, Bromley in rotation.

DL just became a strength.
I am flabergasted  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/9/2016 5:13 pm : link
the Giants plowed significant money into the Dline today -- significant -- and you can no longer say there's no talent on the Giants Defense

McAdoo  
adamg : 3/9/2016 5:13 pm : link
called Vernon to help seal the deal, according to Garafolo... sounds good to me
RE: All  
Beer Man : 3/9/2016 5:13 pm : link
In comment 12849456 AcidTest said:
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these defensive signings have to increase the chance for an offensive pick at #10.
Or an LB
Omar Kelly  
DanMetroMan : 3/9/2016 5:14 pm : link
Vernon, finished last season with 61 tackles, 7.5 sacks, and a league-high 41 quarterback hurries. Vernon, who turns 26 in October, also led all 4-3 defensive ends in quarterback hits with 30.
.  
Bogey : 3/9/2016 5:14 pm : link
SI_PeterKing: Vernon money:
2016: $29m.
2017: $12m.
2018: $13m.
First 3 years: $54m.
Most in history for a DE.
This is how a GM on the hot seat  
Beer Man : 3/9/2016 5:14 pm : link
Spends the teams money
I'm assuming a good portion of that $29M  
giants#1 : 3/9/2016 5:15 pm : link
in 2016 is a signing bonus?
And we still have the #10 pick to look forward to.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 5:15 pm : link
:dead
RE: RE: All  
Devon : 3/9/2016 5:15 pm : link
In comment 12849581 Beer Man said:
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In comment 12849456 AcidTest said:


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these defensive signings have to increase the chance for an offensive pick at #10.

Or an LB


They're not taking a LB at 10. People need to let that dream go.

If they sign a OL, I wonder if Treadwell becomes a possibility though.
Man, Francesa is really pumped up for these Giants signings  
Mason : 3/9/2016 5:15 pm : link
LOL, his mood changed.

AND DE STILL GOT DA 10 PIC!
It's a ton of money  
hitdog42 : 3/9/2016 5:16 pm : link
But you have to understand this is the player the front office wanted.
And they made sure they got him-
So if you trust the front office - this is their guy

This offseason has gone as planned for them- execution wise it's been impeccable
Seek target- acquire target
We back !!  
Rflairr : 3/9/2016 5:17 pm : link
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So two questions for everyone  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/9/2016 5:17 pm : link
1. Which DL will get draw two blockers opposing offenses? JPP, Hankins, Snacks, or Vernon?

2. How long before we see Vernon in a Subway commercial?
ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2016 5:18 pm : link
@MikeGarafolo
Five years, $85 million for Olivier Vernon with the Giants. The Jaguars were right there, money wise. Giants sold it.
RE: RE: RE: All  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12849601 Devon said:
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In comment 12849581 Beer Man said:


Quote:


In comment 12849456 AcidTest said:


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these defensive signings have to increase the chance for an offensive pick at #10.

Or an LB



They're not taking a LB at 10. People need to let that dream go.

If they sign a OL, I wonder if Treadwell becomes a possibility though.


Treadwell could be the pick...top WR on the board, profiles similarly to AJ Green, comes from Ole Miss so Eli will push for him, and seems to have recovered remarkably from that gruesome leg break against Auburn
Can the dolphins match?  
Reale01 : 3/9/2016 5:19 pm : link
Do they have 5 days?
i wonder  
tony71 : 3/9/2016 5:19 pm : link
if Coughlin is throwing darts at a picture of Jerry Reese or taking a bazooka to a life size dummy of him, right about now....
RE: Can the dolphins match?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12849629 Reale01 said:
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Do they have 5 days?


The tag was rescinded. He's a free agent.
HELL YEAH  
montanagiant : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
Strong D-Line baby
Dolphin  
Phil in LA : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
removed their transition label yesterday or last night.
RE: Can the dolphins match?  
Mason : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12849629 Reale01 said:
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Do they have 5 days?


They renounced early today.
RE: Can the dolphins match?  
tony71 : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12849629 Reale01 said:
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Do they have 5 days?


no they dropped th tag on him..giants got him free and clear..
Awesome day for gmen - you never know which signings will work out  
Eric on Li : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
and which won't, but they are going for it and giving it their best shot. Can truly go BPA at #10 now and can also lay back for some bargains now. Would love to nab Weddle to bring an experienced voice to the defense. Maybe even Derrick Johnson? Would depend entirely on the prices but talent wise they have made a HUGE upgrade today across the defense.
RE: i wonder  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12849633 tony71 said:
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if Coughlin is throwing darts at a picture of Jerry Reese or taking a bazooka to a life size dummy of him, right about now....


It's not like the Giants didn't spend money for Tom.
much preferred a drafted de  
micky : 3/9/2016 5:21 pm : link
Hope he works out for that $$ and stays healthy
RE: much preferred a drafted de  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2016 5:22 pm : link
In comment 12849651 micky said:
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Hope he works out for that $$ and stays healthy


You can't count on a first round rookie DE. They needed help now.
this is too much money for a player who  
chuckydee9 : 3/9/2016 5:23 pm : link
isn't as good as JPP..
RE: Can the dolphins match?  
speedywheels : 3/9/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12849629 Reale01 said:
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Do they have 5 days?


They withdrew the tag
This defense got much, much  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 3/9/2016 5:23 pm : link
Better today. Hoping this class is March 05 good.
It is smart to front load at least one of these deals  
Giants31 : 3/9/2016 5:23 pm : link
Unlike prior years - when Giants were cap strapped - they have money to spend this year. It is smart to pay at least one of these guys now so the Giants have some flexibility later. Vernon seems to be that guy. Hopefully they will remain comfortably under the cap next year when it comes time to resign some other guys. Remember, Hankins and JPP are FAs next year.
I'm just...in shock and awe  
Anakim : 3/9/2016 5:24 pm : link
Good Lord. I....WOW!
is this front loaded deal?  
micky : 3/9/2016 5:24 pm : link
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We just received video of Jerry...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/9/2016 5:24 pm : link
RE: Can the dolphins match?  
Shadow : 3/9/2016 5:25 pm : link
In comment 12849629 Reale01 said:
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Do they have 5 days?

They recinded the offer he's OURS :)
Does  
Jon in NYC : 3/9/2016 5:25 pm : link
anyone have a better DL than us?

Maybe the Rams. Maybe.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2016 5:25 pm : link
I would still love to draft a dude like Lawson. Our recent defenses were always at their best when we could send pass rushers in waves.

The money here is pretty insane but that's what it took to get it done. Glad we got him.

Funny to look back at all the "Reese is asleep at the wheel/penny pinching" posts from yesterday now....
RE: So two questions for everyone  
glowrider : 3/9/2016 5:26 pm : link
In comment 12849618 USAF NYG Fan said:
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1. Which DL will get draw two blockers opposing offenses? JPP, Hankins, Snacks, or Vernon?


I think this question explains a lot of the thinking behind signing Vernon and Snacks. It will take the pressure off of JPP, which should allow him a little more wiggle room.

It's a formidable line if everyone is healthy and productive.
this guy is the goods  
ShocknAwe80 : 3/9/2016 5:26 pm : link


Giants signed RE Olivier Vernon, formerly of the Dolphins, to a five-year, $85 million contract.
The deal includes $40 million fully guaranteed and is a record-setting contract. The Giants came into the offseason needing to do something about their woeful pass rush. And they've done just that by first re-signing LE Jason Pierre-Paul and now going out and landing probably the biggest fish on the board in Vernon. Vernon was Pro Football Focus' No. 1 overall 4-3 end last season, recording 81 combined sacks, hits, and hurries, while also playing elite run defense. By adding Vernon and DT Damon Harrison on Wednesday, the Giants greatly boosted their defense.
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
Mar 9 - 4:58 PM
Remember the Redskins...  
section125 : 3/9/2016 5:27 pm : link
Temper the mood. Cannot win in March.

Sorry for the wet blanket.
RE: .  
speedywheels : 3/9/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 12849686 arcarsenal said:
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I would still love to draft a dude like Lawson. Our recent defenses were always at their best when we could send pass rushers in waves.

The money here is pretty insane but that's what it took to get it done. Glad we got him.

Funny to look back at all the "Reese is asleep at the wheel/penny pinching" posts from yesterday now....


One again - people who bitching and moaning BEFORE FREE AGENCY HAD EVEN OFFICIALLY STARTED!

Every year.....lol...
Jenkins and DRC  
Peppers : 3/9/2016 5:28 pm : link
Have to be licking their chops. Opposing QBs will be getting the ball out in a hurry.
RE: Good thing they signed JPP prior to this deal or just from pride  
Watson : 3/9/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12849506 steve in ky said:
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he would have wanted more.


Thinking the same. Basically gave Vernon his contract if hadn't blown up his hand. JPP has to wonder, if he has a good year with his prove it deal, can NYG actually resign him. Hope the chemistry works out okay.
Wynn Bromley Kuhn Ayers  
Shadow : 3/9/2016 5:28 pm : link
to JPP Snacks Hankins Vernon.
Like the defense line  
John5646 : 3/9/2016 5:28 pm : link
Get a right guard and what a day
NOW THAT"S WHAT I CALL EPIC!  
Blue21 : 3/9/2016 5:29 pm : link
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I will say this  
phil in arizona : 3/9/2016 5:30 pm : link
The D had almost no difference makers.

The defensive line was a big reason why we lost most games. You have to be able to stop the other team from being able to run out the clock and you have to be able to rush the passer when they are in the 2 minute offense. Also, I'm happy we're spending money on starters than part time players.
I think a DL early in the draft is a certainty.  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2016 5:33 pm : link
Hankins is a FA next year and JPP's on a one-year deal. Need a little more in the pipeline.
This was pricey  
RB^2 : 3/9/2016 5:34 pm : link
but necessary. I hope NYG can get one of the available safeties. It's such an advantage going into the draft with a beefed up roster.

Unfortunately, I think this may spell the end of either Hankins of JPP with NYG after next year but for now I'm very much enjoying this.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2016 5:34 pm : link
In comment 12849703 speedywheels said:
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In comment 12849686 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


I would still love to draft a dude like Lawson. Our recent defenses were always at their best when we could send pass rushers in waves.

The money here is pretty insane but that's what it took to get it done. Glad we got him.

Funny to look back at all the "Reese is asleep at the wheel/penny pinching" posts from yesterday now....



One again - people who bitching and moaning BEFORE FREE AGENCY HAD EVEN OFFICIALLY STARTED!

Every year.....lol...


Yep. Never fails.
Oh my god  
giantgiantfan : 3/9/2016 5:34 pm : link
we made a splash, hope with all these signings we be like

Good young player  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/9/2016 5:35 pm : link
with the arrow pointed upward. Only 25. There are guys coming out of college that are almost that age. Apparently, they had incredibly strong belief in this kid - to the point that even if he was still transitioned they were going after him.

When you see his highlights, you see the body lean that is characteristics of the quality 4-3 DEs.

The Giants seem to have achieved what they wanted to do on the first day.
THIS was the Guy I wanted  
Stan in LA : 3/9/2016 5:35 pm : link
And we got him!!
I'm wary  
RB^2 : 3/9/2016 5:36 pm : link
of the Eagles dream team fiasco and Washington's perennial underachievement from their FA's but you don't get anywhere in the NFL without talent and NYG just upgraded its talent level in a big way.
have a feeling we are going OL  
Shadow : 3/9/2016 5:36 pm : link
in the draft now.
the Dream Team had Vick at QB  
giants#1 : 3/9/2016 5:38 pm : link
this team's led by Eli.
Vernon  
stretch234 : 3/9/2016 5:39 pm : link
Hope I really wrong here ....

Not a fan of this. He simply is not that good.

So now we have an undersized DE going up against 3 LT in the NFC who are better than the all 3 LT in the AFC East.

I am a big Reese backer - but this to me seems like a colossal waste of dollars.

People here incessantly bitched about JPP's year of 12.5 sacks and 77 tackles - Vernon has not come close to that in a year

You now have moved on from JPP regardless of the year he has next year. Just made Vernon the centerpiece of this defense

Arc,  
prdave73 : 3/9/2016 5:39 pm : link
Was thinking the same thing.. adding another speed rusher like Lawson or Ogbah would really make this dline a force..
Exciting stuff today...  
ZGiants98 : 3/9/2016 5:39 pm : link
Get me a starting RT, a WR, and a starting FS and some depth guys and Ill feel pretty good going into the draft.
RE: I'm wary  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 5:39 pm : link
In comment 12849771 RB^2 said:
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of the Eagles dream team fiasco and Washington's perennial underachievement from their FA's but you don't get anywhere in the NFL without talent and NYG just upgraded its talent level in a big way.


You might as well spend big when you look at how much time Eli has left
I'll just leave this ...  
Beezer : 3/9/2016 5:40 pm : link
EVERYWHERE, BITCHES!!!!

Holy Shit .....  
short lease : 3/9/2016 5:41 pm : link
after the morning we had regarding him - I thought no way are we going to get him.

Slade - I never doubted you for a second buddy ... cough, cough, ...

Okay maybe a sec but, not a minute ... cough, cough ....


Alright maybe minute but, it was a NY minute.

Vernon ran a 4.64 at his pro day  
Vanzetti : 3/9/2016 5:44 pm : link
31 reps at the combine
34" vertical
McAdoo helped seal it apparently  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/9/2016 5:44 pm : link
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 38m38 minutes ago
Giants coach Ben McAdoo called Vernon within the last hour. Helped finish off the deal.
McAdoo the GOAT.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 5:48 pm : link
.
Ouch  
JonC : 3/9/2016 5:50 pm : link
Ok another premium puzzle piece, let's hope the upside is recognized.

They need another DE, could sign one and draft one given JPP could be out the door in a year.
Young up and coming DE  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2016 5:50 pm : link
Great signing! I would still take DE in round 1. Depth is just as important.
.  
Anakim : 3/9/2016 5:51 pm : link
Giants Defensive Improvements  
Percy : 3/9/2016 5:51 pm : link
Holy tomatoes, Batman!
Great stuff  
rocco8112 : 3/9/2016 5:54 pm : link
team was in desperate need for talent on D.

Personally, if these guys are players who cares about the contracts. Goal is to build a team, not run a salary cap simulator.

These three signings and bringing back JPP, I like it.
Vernon  
stretch234 : 3/9/2016 5:55 pm : link
He making close to what Watt is making. He will make more than Wilkerson will get and he is a far superior player.

What does Vernon do so well to warrant this

and that's how you play FA  
HomerJones45 : 3/9/2016 6:00 pm : link
you go and get the players you want, write the big check and don't worry about it.

Nicely done.
RE: Vernon  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2016 6:01 pm : link
In comment 12849882 stretch234 said:
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He making close to what Watt is making. He will make more than Wilkerson will get and he is a far superior player.

What does Vernon do so well to warrant this


Players are not paid based on a direct stat comparison. It doesn't work that way. It's about what the open market thinks they are worth. 25 year old pass rushers that light up the advanced stats and have 30 sacks in four years get paid.
RE: .  
Giants2012 : 3/9/2016 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12849585 Bogey said:
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SI_PeterKing: Vernon money:
2016: $29m.
2017: $12m.
2018: $13m.
First 3 years: $54m.
Most in history for a DE.


JPP has to be kicking himself. Look at the money being thrown around.

WTF!  
SomeFan : 3/9/2016 6:05 pm : link
Those are crazy numbers.
RE: Vernon  
schabadoo : 3/9/2016 6:05 pm : link
In comment 12849882 stretch234 said:
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He making close to what Watt is making. He will make more than Wilkerson will get and he is a far superior player.

What does Vernon do so well to warrant this


JJ Watt would double this deal as a FA.
RE: McAdoo helped seal it apparently  
dpinzow : 3/9/2016 6:07 pm : link
In comment 12849828 USAF NYG Fan said:
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Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 38m38 minutes ago
Giants coach Ben McAdoo called Vernon within the last hour. Helped finish off the deal.


If so McAdoo is much more of a commanding personality than anyone previously thought
Watch his run  
Joey in VA : 3/9/2016 6:07 pm : link
Technique when he's at LDE, it's almost how you draw it up. Shoulders square, then at 45 when he sees he's the last man on the line and he stays square in that spot to pin down the edge. He doesn't get top heavy or over extend either, keeping his hands above his feet and able to keep generating power when a blocker gets into him. He disengages quickly and keeps his feet wide and moving the whole time, it's football nerd stuff but it's very very exciting to a nerd like me.
The pressure is off JR  
KeoweeFan : 3/9/2016 6:08 pm : link
and squarely on Spags!
I don't think this impacts probability of a high round DL/DE in the draft because this was JPP's "show me" year. If he performs super, say goodbye 'cause the NYG can't afford 4 top contracts next year on the DL.
I'm wondering  
Greenpoint : 3/9/2016 6:09 pm : link
Where they envision Vernon + JPP playing. Both appear to be LDE's.
This DL has me so excited.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 3/9/2016 6:09 pm : link
Feel like it's a go out Wednesday, drink too much, and feel good about today.
good signing  
BIGbluegermany : 3/9/2016 6:09 pm : link
but for me it means,that we can't sign JPP in the future.
RE: RE: Vernon  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/9/2016 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12849931 schabadoo said:
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JJ Watt would double this deal as a FA.

You have to wonder if the absolute wild money being thrown around today leads to more higher end players reaching free agency without resigning
Yup. Reese is definitely  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/9/2016 6:16 pm : link
An idiot. Anyone saying this is anything other than a massive over reaction and over pay is just intellectually dishonest about this guys skill set
RE: The pressure is off JR  
SomeFan : 3/9/2016 6:16 pm : link
In comment 12849950 KeoweeFan said:
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and squarely on Spags!
I don't think this impacts probability of a high round DL/DE in the draft because this was JPP's "show me" year. If he performs super, say goodbye 'cause the NYG can't afford 4 top contracts next year on the DL.


Why? There is no guarantee that Vernon is going to be anywhere near as good as his contract numbers. He is a B- talent that we bought in exchange for A+ money.
Now I'm praying for  
illmatic : 3/9/2016 6:19 pm : link
the defense to stay healthy and that they'll find a way to sign Gipson or Weddle.
RE: RE: The pressure is off JR  
robbieballs2003 : 3/9/2016 6:20 pm : link
In comment 12849982 SomeFan said:
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In comment 12849950 KeoweeFan said:


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and squarely on Spags!
I don't think this impacts probability of a high round DL/DE in the draft because this was JPP's "show me" year. If he performs super, say goodbye 'cause the NYG can't afford 4 top contracts next year on the DL.



Why? There is no guarantee that Vernon is going to be anywhere near as good as his contract numbers. He is a B- talent that we bought in exchange for A+ money.


Agreed. There is still a ton of work to be done including depth.
TTH  
stretch234 : 3/9/2016 6:21 pm : link
I understand that. My point is that he is being paid top 5 money and he is not close to being a top 10 player at his position.

They broke the bank for a guy who is not a top 10 player at his position. He is getting almost twice what

They just made him the face of their defense for 6 years -

I will be ecstatic to be wrong on this
RE: Yup. Reese is definitely  
Rory : 3/9/2016 6:21 pm : link
In comment 12849981 LauderdaleMatty said:
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An idiot. Anyone saying this is anything other than a massive over reaction and over pay is just intellectually dishonest about this guys skill set


You're kidding right ?
Reese  
spike : 3/9/2016 6:24 pm : link
for President!!
RE: Yup. Reese is definitely  
David in LA : 3/9/2016 6:24 pm : link
In comment 12849981 LauderdaleMatty said:
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An idiot. Anyone saying this is anything other than a massive over reaction and over pay is just intellectually dishonest about this guys skill set


Are you always an insufferable ass, or do you just do that on this board?
Do you guys think they bring back Ayers  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 6:25 pm : link
as our 3rd or 4th DE? Wouldn't mind Ayers in that spot; especially if he doesn't get that $10 million he was asking for.
Boy, it's gonna  
Photoguy : 3/9/2016 6:26 pm : link
be nice to see some pass rush again. Nice first day.
RE: Do you guys think they bring back Ayers  
spike : 3/9/2016 6:26 pm : link
In comment 12850033 Dave in Hoboken said:
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as our 3rd or 4th DE? Wouldn't mind Ayers in that spot; especially if he doesn't get that $10 million he was asking for.


No. He is getting PAID. We need to spend money elesewhere, like the secondary and LINEBACKER!
RE: RE: RE: Vernon  
MookGiants : 3/9/2016 6:33 pm : link
In comment 12849963 Steve in Greenwich said:
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In comment 12849931 schabadoo said:


Quote:



JJ Watt would double this deal as a FA.


You have to wonder if the absolute wild money being thrown around today leads to more higher end players reaching free agency without resigning


unlikely because most of them are worried about the franchise tag
RE: Yup. Reese is definitely  
drkenneth : 3/9/2016 6:38 pm : link
In comment 12849981 LauderdaleMatty said:
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An idiot. Anyone saying this is anything other than a massive over reaction and over pay is just intellectually dishonest about this guys skill set


You may be the worst poster here. Solid top 5 at worst. Just a miserable sloth you are.
the contract is massive but  
Dave on the UWS : 3/9/2016 6:57 pm : link
with the cap increase AND everyone having money to spend salaries for the premium free agents were going to be ridiculous. People saying "B level talent getting A level money" - that's stupid crap. You have to evaluate within the marketplace what players are worth. This guy is a Very good DE who is still young has really good athletic ability and could get much better. Plus he's been durable and healthy. His contract is front loaded and will be reasonable beyond this year. I don't think his signing has ANY bearing on re-signing JPP or Hankins next year. They are simply trying to bring in more talent. They will evaluate next year - next year.

The objective is to get to the draft with BPA a reality. Fill the holes with FA. Reese has said this on more than one occasion. What they've done today is simply be more aggressive for the top guys because they had the money to spend. I really don't think this is in any way a change in philosophy. Now this could all blow up in their face, but roster building is always a crap shoot. They spent the money on younger players who still have upside and can be center pieces for the defense. Bodes well for a significant turnaround.
Love  
Hopontop : 3/9/2016 7:22 pm : link
that we are finally putting some stock in our dline.
RE: and that's how you play FA  
OC2.0 : 3/9/2016 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12849905 HomerJones45 said:
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you go and get the players you want, write the big check and don't worry about it.

Nicely done.


This^^^. We only have a few years left on Eli's watch. Wonder what TC thinks about all this.
RE: RE: Yup. Reese is definitely  
OC2.0 : 3/9/2016 7:30 pm : link
In comment 12850087 drkenneth said:
Quote:
In comment 12849981 LauderdaleMatty said:


Quote:


An idiot. Anyone saying this is anything other than a massive over reaction and over pay is just intellectually dishonest about this guys skill set



You may be the worst poster here. Solid top 5 at worst. Just a miserable sloth you are.


And JR should save the money for what reason? Jesus.
Haha, First posters bitch Reese hasn't done anything  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 3/9/2016 7:51 pm : link
Then they bitch about how much it costs when he does stuff.

News Flash: The FA market is crazy this year (again). Need proof, look at what Osweiler just got from the Texans. At least Vernon has produced.
RE: and that's how you play FA  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2016 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12849905 HomerJones45 said:
Quote:
you go and get the players you want, write the big check and don't worry about it.

Nicely done.


Gene nails..I've never worried about the money because we were usually around or up against the cap..You work towards righting the wrongs by getting rid of dead wood and using that money to improve. You'd like to be flushed with money so that you can make immediate improvements and allow the draft to fall to you..When you have loads of money you spend it and we have so far..Not worried about cap hell with Abrams there
Gene nails it  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2016 7:58 pm : link
.
Still buzzing over this move  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 8:09 pm : link
and the other moves we've made. Any chance the season can start tomorrow? ;)
Seems to play taller than 6'2  
lono801 : 3/9/2016 8:12 pm : link
And leaner than 275....
to me....  
slaw1 : 3/9/2016 8:32 pm : link
wouldn't he be considered to a younger version of Ayers that can play the run and has way more upside. Besides, he was the target and Reese got his man. only time will tell.
I couldn't care  
Rick5 : 3/9/2016 8:58 pm : link
less about the money. The Giants have just a few more years left with a franchise QB. Logic says you gamble a bit to try to win one more SB while you still have a franchise QB.
Reese  
kporzee : 3/9/2016 9:12 pm : link
These are all top free agents. I still don't love it conceptually that a GM on the hot seat is just going to try and spend his way out of it. That's not even to say that a new GM wouldn't have taken a similar path. The Reese aspect/agenda/self preservation makes me a bit uneasy.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/9/2016 9:29 pm : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago

Olivier Vernon has a salary cap number of $13 million in Year 1 of deal #giants
RE: ...  
blueblood : 3/9/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12850716 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago

Olivier Vernon has a salary cap number of $13 million in Year 1 of deal #giants


Thats a good number.. Giants are still able to make some moves.
Strong thru 16 games  
sphinx : 3/9/2016 9:48 pm : link
Kimberly Jones Verified account
New NYG Olivier Vernon was an elite pass rusher in 2nd half of 2015 season. From Weeks 9-17, he had 29 QB Hits -- most in the NFL.

@KimJonesSports  
est1986 : 3/9/2016 9:49 pm : link
New NYG Olivier Vernon was an elite pass rusher in 2nd half of 2015 season. From Weeks 9-17, he had 29 QB Hits -- most in the NFL.
9:44pm - 9 Mar 16

That stat is insane!
Still need a high-pick DE...  
manh george : 3/9/2016 10:54 pm : link
so have we given up on Owamagbe Odighizuwa?
I feel bad for the fans that obsess over the salaries  
djm : 3/9/2016 11:47 pm : link
Yeah I know there's a cap and all that crap but honestly... Who gives a fuck how much these guys make? Seriously? Who gives a fuck? So we overpaid, what ever the hell that means... Half these guys will be walking with a permanent limp waking up in cold sweats from brain trauma -- do we really need to obsess over the overpaid or underpaid aspects of this shit? It's supposed to be an escape and enjoyable.

RE: Still need a high-pick DE...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2016 11:56 pm : link
In comment 12850960 manh george said:
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so have we given up on Owamagbe Odighizuwa?


Why even say this?

Is that what we're doing now? Draft picks get one year, injured or not, and then they're outta here?
RE: I feel bad for the fans that obsess over the salaries  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2016 11:56 pm : link
In comment 12851047 djm said:
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Yeah I know there's a cap and all that crap but honestly... Who gives a fuck how much these guys make? Seriously? Who gives a fuck? So we overpaid, what ever the hell that means... Half these guys will be walking with a permanent limp waking up in cold sweats from brain trauma -- do we really need to obsess over the overpaid or underpaid aspects of this shit? It's supposed to be an escape and enjoyable.


Plus, we had a historically bad defense last season. That's not even an exaggeration, sadly. You had to know we were going to go wild with a talent infusion on that side of the ball. It's not like we were just your normal run on the mill bad defense. No. We were all time bad. We needed the horses; and now we finally have them again for the first time in quite awhile.

Add onto that, it being Eli's last 5 years or so. It's time to make one last run these next handful of years. Also; the guys we signed are all entering their prime in their mid 20's. It was the right move.
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