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Our offense would be "unstoppable', remember ?

Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 3:37 pm
When we thought that ?

Compare the 2015 performance point/game (6th best) .....

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/year/2015

To this year's stats, points/game (23rd) ...

http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?team=NYG

The defense is saving us, but for how long ?
ohh i member...  
Gordo : 11/22/2016 3:41 pm : link


Some fans can't stand  
Gman11 : 11/22/2016 3:41 pm : link
prosperity.

7-3.

There's a stat for you.
Well, what's the difference?  
x meadowlander : 11/22/2016 3:45 pm : link
Reuben Randle? Geoff Schwartz? Vereen?

It's basically same line, better TE's, better starting WR's, same QB... the only glaring difference I see is the lack of a fullback.

I believe they have enough pieces to improve.
IDK..teams may have just cracked the offensive scheme in the offseason  
guitarguybs12 : 11/22/2016 3:49 pm : link
Yea, it's basically the same players on offense but with two years of tape now to figure out what was working so well, how to limit Beckham.

I know they made a couple changes in the Bye which helped a little, not sure what else can be changed at this point...there's only so much you can do mid-season.

Probably time to change it up quite a bit for next year with what was learned in struggles this year.
The only big difference  
area junc : 11/22/2016 3:51 pm : link
is Coughlin's gone. Everything else is improved on paper, unless you want to argue that Eli's declined.
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ron mexico : 11/22/2016 3:52 pm : link
600 minutes played  
BurlyMan : 11/22/2016 3:57 pm : link
and not one of them in garbage time.
Lot of football left to be played.  
bceagle05 : 11/22/2016 3:59 pm : link
Hopefully we'll hit our stride when Pugh and Vereen get back in the lineup.
Greatest Show on Turf  
Giants2012 : 11/22/2016 4:00 pm : link
minus Faulk

Good call Coach
We don't need a #6 offense to win.  
AnnapolisMike : 11/22/2016 4:00 pm : link
If we were losing games because we could not score...then I would be more concerned.
Wonder how many good fullbacks ....  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 4:02 pm : link

Are sitting at home, watching Giants games, thinking - "I could help that team" (and they're right) !
...  
christian : 11/22/2016 4:10 pm : link
It's really remarkable how difficult a time we are having scoring.

I think there was an element of fools gold with the offense last year, with a lot garbage time points. But we have definitely taken a step back.

The D has been really remarkable so far, but we're not going to hold every team throughout under 23 points. There will come a time when we need to put up 35 points to win.
I think it's the vanilla offensive scheme...  
BamaBlue : 11/22/2016 4:12 pm : link
The 2016 Giants offense doesn't fool anyone. There are a limited number of plays that can be run from the Giants formations, so they basically beat you when defenses know it's coming.

I would like to say that I'm very happy with the red zone percentage this season. In past years, we saw the empty backfield on first and third downs a lot in the red zone... there's not a lot of mystery on what you're going do.
RE: Wonder how many good fullbacks ....  
shelovesnycsports : 11/22/2016 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13229847 Manny in CA said:
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Are sitting at home, watching Giants games, thinking - "I could help that team" (and they're right) !

A fullback in this offense has to be able catch a pass and know how to pick up pass rushers. Its not something learned over night. its why when Johnson went out with Whitlock it really hurt. Both could block and do the little things.
Last Year We Lost 8 Games by 7 points or Less  
Bluesbreaker : 11/22/2016 4:34 pm : link
We scored 30 or more points 7 times
Three of those game resulted in losses .
Biggest thing has been the Defense and we have yet to get into
a shootout ...
We need one of the Tight Ends to Step Up and start getting
down the seam . Tye is doing ok but I don't think he is the
guy to do that . That leaves Adams and Larry D .
I think at some point in time were gonna need him unless
Adams starts making more of an impact .
Go ahead and blast away I just wished he could get his
act together for the stretch run .
It would be a big boost to the run game as well and also
correct me if I am wrong it would also help get Odell
getting middle and deep routes .
Offense  
stretch234 : 11/22/2016 4:37 pm : link
The fact that this team has a defense that can hold a lead factors into this as well.

Through 10 games they are averaging only 14 less yards per game. What is the big culprit - how about turnovers.

through 10 games in 2015 - 10
through 10 games in 2016 - 18

Defensive TO's

through 10 games in 2015 - 23
through 10 games in 2016 - 11

Their differential is - 20 through 10 games year to year

29 TD's through 10 games in 2015 (25 offensive)
24 TD's through 10 games in 2016 (22 offensive)

The 2015 games that stand out, in my mind ....  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 4:38 pm : link

Saints - 49 points; Panthers - 35 points; and Eagles 30 points; all loses because our defense was severely undermanned, but the team showed promise that it could go toe-to-toe in a shoot-out.

This year (as stated) we're just too predictable - short quick passes (and their variants), 95% of the time ...

Zero play-action and misdirection. As one of the opposing coaches recently said about his prep for the Giants - "Not difficult at all, they don't do too many things differently"
RE: The 2015 games that stand out, in my mind ....  
shelovesnycsports : 11/22/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13229901 Manny in CA said:
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Saints - 49 points; Panthers - 35 points; and Eagles 30 points; all loses because our defense was severely undermanned, but the team showed promise that it could go toe-to-toe in a shoot-out.

This year (as stated) we're just too predictable - short quick passes (and their variants), 95% of the time ...

Zero play-action and misdirection. As one of the opposing coaches recently said about his prep for the Giants - "Not difficult at all, they don't do too many things differently"

"Not difficult at all".
Then they lost to us because we have won 5 strait.

Are you guys ever going to learn the offense is predicated on what formation the defense is in and the play is changed at the line of scrimmage to attack that defense! Its not predictable its what it is based on and if wee don't shoot ourselves in the foot we can move the ball on anyone.
I get it, sheloves ...  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 5:35 pm : link

The problem with not having an offense that is not diversified (basically a very paltry running game) is that it's easier to control.

After we play the Browns, we basically run into the hardest part of the schedule - The Steelers, Dallas, Lions. Eagles and Skins. (The only team that's maybe a bit shaky is Philly).

Point is, I don't think we're going to cut it, with the offense running on four cylinders, the rest of the year (and hope we get into "the big dance".
In my view the temperament  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/22/2016 5:46 pm : link
of this offense is dictated by the game situation -- McAdoo and Eli open it up more when the team is facing a deficit -- this is consistent with last year.

The real reason for the low scoring this year is that the defense is keeping the opposition to less points, and in tight games the Giants are playing more of a time eating power game when they have the lead as opposed to building up the score

...  
christian : 11/22/2016 6:10 pm : link
It's not a matter of being too conservative or playing what they give you, it's about execution in key areas and putting more points on the board.

The defense is good, but it's not great and there will be a game where someone puts 30 on us and the offense will need to keep up.
Rueben Randle  
chris r : 11/22/2016 6:15 pm : link
X factor.
But you havent seen the whole playbook yet.  
shelovesnycsports : 11/22/2016 6:24 pm : link
only parts. They are working on the basics to beat teams even if they are in a defense to stop you. Imagine you play the Giants and you have nothing to study. Joey had a great post on this building an offense takes time and patience.
RE: The 2015 games that stand out, in my mind ....  
phillygiant : 11/22/2016 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13229901 Manny in CA said:
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Saints - 49 points; Panthers - 35 points; and Eagles 30 points; all loses because our defense was severely undermanned, but the team showed promise that it could go toe-to-toe in a shoot-out.

This year (as stated) we're just too predictable - short quick passes (and their variants), 95% of the time ...

Zero play-action and misdirection. As one of the opposing coaches recently said about his prep for the Giants - "Not difficult at all, they don't do too many things differently"


And yet we are 7-3 and you morons still find a reason to bitch

Must suck to live in a glass half empty world
"Power" to describe the current state of our offense ....  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 6:42 pm : link

Is an oxymoron, I believe. The success of the offense is based on Eli's decision making, his pocket presence, his getting the ball out quickly and and the ability of his receivers to get just get open, enough.

Maybe we can play "keep-away" for awhile, but I just don't think it's good enough to keep the real good teams at bay.



1. Teams seem to be paying even more attention to OBJ  
yatqb : 11/22/2016 6:55 pm : link
than in the past, so he's not getting those long TDs that break open games as often as in the past.

2. Despite Randle's awful route running, he was able to get deep a bunch when in single coverage.

3. Richburg regressing during the early portion of the year, allowing more pressure up the middle. For a while Eli couldn't step up in the pocket as well as in the past.

4. Not sure if that's the reason balls are coming out more quickly than in years past, but they sure are this year.
RE: But you havent seen the whole playbook yet.  
christian : 11/22/2016 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13230014 shelovesnycsports said:
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only parts. They are working on the basics to beat teams even if they are in a defense to stop you. Imagine you play the Giants and you have nothing to study. Joey had a great post on this building an offense takes time and patience.


I think Joey is a knowledgeable and good poster, but I am not holding my breath for a dramatic uptick in the types of formations, plays and variations over the next 6 weeks.

This isn't a new offense. Are there bound to be elements Macadoo introduced without Tom in charge, sure. But this isn't a new coordinator and new system.
Eli has to release the ball faster ....  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 7:29 pm : link

Because defenses have zero respect for our running game. They just "pin their ears back" and come right after him.

(We still have a very good power HB (Jennings) but no fullback to knock the MLB on his ass). So .... defenses don't worry about OBJ deep because they know he doesn't have the time to hurt them big-time.


RE: ohh i member...  
Route 9 : 11/22/2016 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13229804 Gordo said:
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Lol God damn it

Member berries. Get me every time.
RE: RE: But you havent seen the whole playbook yet.  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2016 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13230081 christian said:
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In comment 13230014 shelovesnycsports said:


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only parts. They are working on the basics to beat teams even if they are in a defense to stop you. Imagine you play the Giants and you have nothing to study. Joey had a great post on this building an offense takes time and patience.



I think Joey is a knowledgeable and good poster, but I am not holding my breath for a dramatic uptick in the types of formations, plays and variations over the next 6 weeks.

This isn't a new offense. Are there bound to be elements Macadoo introduced without Tom in charge, sure. But this isn't a new coordinator and new system.

Why not? We've already seen tons of changes in formations, plays and variations as the weeks progress. The people that don't know anything about football may disagree, but the progression is there. We all want instant gratification in this new age of short attention spans, but if you put in the effort to learn what's going on, you'd see the difference. Joey didn't just make this stuff up. He nailed it.
RE: 600 minutes played  
TD : 11/22/2016 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13229829 BurlyMan said:
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and not one of them in garbage time.


This

RE: Offense  
JOrthman : 11/22/2016 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13229899 stretch234 said:
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The fact that this team has a defense that can hold a lead factors into this as well.

Through 10 games they are averaging only 14 less yards per game. What is the big culprit - how about turnovers.

through 10 games in 2015 - 10
through 10 games in 2016 - 18

Defensive TO's

through 10 games in 2015 - 23
through 10 games in 2016 - 11

Their differential is - 20 through 10 games year to year

29 TD's through 10 games in 2015 (25 offensive)
24 TD's through 10 games in 2016 (22 offensive)


These stats are very telling.
RE: 600 minutes played  
djm : 11/22/2016 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13229829 BurlyMan said:
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and not one of them in garbage time.


Winner winner chicken dinner
One thing that i thought of  
dancing blue bear : 11/22/2016 8:39 pm : link
which may factor in.

1- is roster composition. The lack of a FB has def. taken some of the teeth and toughness out of this offense. I know we lost a cpl FBs in the pre-season, but there was no effort then (or since) to find one. It's not strictly this, but it leads to furthur thoughts.

2. Power run game. I will be the first to admit - i do not know the division of labor or degree of input TC had on the offense. I suspect that they built it together With Macadoo using his GB scheme, and TC had input throughout. My thought TC kept alot of the power football stuff - isos,leads, traps etc as it is a tenet of his beliefs. With full control - i think mac is ,rightfully evolving to what he prefers. but i think that has hurt the offense

3. furthur down that line of thinking, in the weekly gameplanning - again I believe mac had a lot of control of that last year, but i am sure that TC would look at the ideas and add a few things he wanted to do as well

4. Same theory for the downfield passing. TC always wanted to throw downfeild with purpose. I think that was his saying. Anyway, I know we are somewhat limited by the OL ...but it is the same OL as last year. I think we need to take a few more shots downfield to back the teams up. MORE IMPORTANTLY - we need to connect on them. Eli has been a little off and some of the young guys have not finished some of the big plays

5. ODB. I think him as the focal point of the opposing teams defense has grown every year. He is bona fide. Same as Julio, AJ, Antonio. First thing monday morning the opposing DC is saying We have to stop this guy. priority #1. I think he is terrific, but he seems to have had a few more drops this year then in the past
im a little stumped how this offense isn't better.  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/22/2016 8:50 pm : link
maybe its the coaching change or the fact that we are playing more conservative since we haven't had to claw our way out of any big holes this year like in the carolina game last year and the shootout with New Orleans?

I know the o line isn't good and the running game as well but its essentially the same players and results as last year in that regard.

Also, as much as I like Sheppard, I thought he would be more of a home run type player when they were raving about him. IMO he's a lot like Steve Smith was when he was here. We really have no real threat outside of OBJ and it seems everyone is rolling coverage to his side and playing 2 or 3 deep on every play.
Some of this can be attributed to not  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/22/2016 9:00 pm : link
Playing from behind all the time. Offenses tend to be skewed to heavy when they have to chase points all game, also defenses are willing to be more risky when they have a lead. Just some food for thought.
RE: But you havent seen the whole playbook yet.  
Cruzin : 11/22/2016 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13230014 shelovesnycsports said:
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only parts. They are working on the basics to beat teams even if they are in a defense to stop you. Imagine you play the Giants and you have nothing to study. Joey had a great post on this building an offense takes time and patience.


Joey said that the Jints were running the same plays over and over again so the players could commit them to memory for later in the season. Isn't that what practice 5 days a week is for? The very next day Mac came out and said that he would be reviewing everything during the bye week, including the play calling, admitting there was something wrong with it. Not one of Joey's better efforts.

Give Coughlin this defense last year and we win the division and possibly do some damage in the playoffs. No question the D is the biggest difference on this team.

The problem on offense is that Mac is a brand new HC trying to call plays and manage everything else. He's learning on the job. As of this point in the season he's got us at 7-3. Call it good fortune, call it an easy schedule, call it anything you want, the bottom line is we are not giving away games and we are not allowing teams to get comfortable in their offense.

We are 7-3 and improving. Mac is getting the knack. I like where we are heading and once everyone gets on the same page we can be dangerous.
Can't compare last years stats  
djstat : 11/22/2016 9:51 pm : link
Constantly playing from behind. Throwing against prevent defenses padding stats
...  
christian : 11/22/2016 10:00 pm : link
I think the offense will improve. Mainly because Vareen will be in the mix, Hart and Gettis are getting some burn and when Pugh gets back we have some depth, Shep is getting reps, and Cruz looks healthy.

All those reasons should open up more of the playbook. But I don't think Mac is holding anything back, he just doesn't have the tools to employ it all.
Not buying lots of the above....  
Jimmy Googs : 11/22/2016 10:03 pm : link
Do agree last years offense was inconsistent, but this year we just look slow and cautious at everything we do.

I re-watched the Dallas game and Saints game from earlier in season, and seemed like the offense was moving around much faster and with more explosive behavior versus now. Maybe they are all being too careful to not make mistakes and turn ball over.

I think Eli is being much more calculated and quick to release the ball on short routes. He knows we don't need 30 points to win games so it is changing his mindset. Odd but his turnovers are up I think...
RE: Can't compare last years stats  
Cruzin : 11/22/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13230236 djstat said:
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Constantly playing from behind. Throwing against prevent defenses padding stats


Not necessarily true. We had to throw constantly because we had no running game and our defense couldn't stop anyone but I did the research a few months ago after a discussion on the same topic and it turns out we didn't trail in as many games as common perception.
Saints comparison  
Mike in Boston : 11/22/2016 10:08 pm : link
Had we scored 49 points against the Saints this year like we did last year, that would be 3.3 points/game more than we have, more than half the 5.9 pts/game difference. I don't suppose I need to remind you that we lost that last year, and won 16-13 this year.

Perhaps a defense that keeps us from such crazy shoot outs has encouraged (permitted?) more conservative play calling?
RE: Saints comparison  
Jimmy Googs : 11/22/2016 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13230280 Mike in Boston said:
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Perhaps a defense that keeps us from such crazy shoot outs has encouraged (permitted?) more conservative play calling?


Said same thing. I think Eli brings it back a few notches. He doesn't keep the pedal down with a lead, even a small one.
Maybe McAdoo's just not showing his cards ....  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 10:21 pm : link

Despite assurances from the players every week that the offense is "so-ready" to break out big.

In the mean-time the team's power ratings keep going up, because we keep winning - a GOOD thing, but there's still a lingering feeling that the Sword of Damocles is about to fall.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-power-rankings-lets-not-get-too-excited-about-the-giants-quite-yet-064744427.html
Well  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2016 10:29 pm : link
That settles that! Yahoo has spoken! Time to give it up, fellas. The Giants obviously stink. Yahoo has warned us so you'd better take notice.
OLine, RB, TE all need to be upgraded...  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/22/2016 10:30 pm : link
...still.
I thought this OL would play much better,  
Doomster : 11/22/2016 10:36 pm : link
after being intact for a whole season, last year....

But from the get go, we couldn't run when we needed to.....Eli was pressured a lot.....SS was a rookie and there would be growing pains.....Cruz is not the player he once was...Donnell did not step up....and then the injuries started.....

Even Eli has been a bit up and down this year.......

But 21 ppg is not going to cut it.....we have too many wasted plays......Eli throwing it away.....too many third down completions not resulting in first downs.....dropped passes......turnovers......penalties.....

It's not going to be easy, with a turnstile for an OL of players being replaced, inconsistent play from the TE spot, and a running game that no defense fears....Eli has been forced to make something out of nothing, for too many seasons.....once again, this is all on his shoulders, to move this offense......will it be enough?
Disagree with RB  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2016 10:36 pm : link
Jennings has been better, Perkins has shown he has real skill when given the opportunity and Vereen will be back soon. RB is not a problem
i forgot to add to the list  
dancing blue bear : 11/22/2016 10:37 pm : link
but do agree that mac being HC/OC/& playcaller probably has something to do with it as well.

I am not putting him down nor do i think it is nec. a bad idea to do all 3 things, but it is common sense to think it might be overwhelming a little bit.

That isn't to say that the learning curve is not finite. and in the future as things come into balance it could be a strength. I understand the point he makes about dictating the terms of the game by playcalling.

Also, while the Offensive staff has some holdovers, there is a good amount of change there too. So there is not the short hand and build up of common experience that would make adjustments easier.

again I don't think it's a major factor, but one of a few. And i don't think it will necessarily dog this team for as long as mac retains all those responsibilities. I think it will iron itself out.

On a sidenote to that, he has followed the Reid, Mccarthy, Payton model of finding a strong DC and letting him do his thing. And Spags has done great with his new pieces. I am so stoked that the D is playing well, and spags has shown he just might be who i thought he was. He got his bite at the appleand most teams go towards an offensive HC, so i don't think he will be a HC anytime soon. which means we can really build monster Defense for now and the future.
Doomster ....  
dancing blue bear : 11/22/2016 10:42 pm : link
It might be asking too much, considering your handle, but objectively the OL has not been as bad as we all sometimes make out. They are pretty decent at pass blocking. YES, Eli makes them look better, but it is a fact. 12 sacks so far. that's not terrible. We have 2 2nd year Tackles, 3rd year center, journeyman guard and a rotating cast of characters replacing our best/ most consistent OL. I def. see improvement week by week.

The running game is awful. but it think it is improving. I don't think it will be a strength this year...maybe ever, but we have run the ball ok the last few weeks. I think it is improving.

Eli def. had a mini slump from the middle of the skins game. IDK if he was banged up or what, but it seems like he and the offense in general are battling their way through
No-one's saying they stink ....  
Manny in CA : 11/22/2016 10:45 pm : link

What a lot of people suspect is they're not the 6th best team in the NFL, but just a good team that's beaten people who they're expected to beat.

What I'm saying is that I'm surprised that the offense that took Carolina and New England to the wire (last year) isn't ripping the weak sisters" of the NFL more convincingly.
would be "unstoppable'  
Torrag : 11/22/2016 11:03 pm : link
I never thought that based on the failure to upgrade the offensive line. In 2015 we were one dimensional. There were obvious flaws indicated by our inability to secure victories in the fourth quarter running the ball and our anemic time of possession. Frankly I was surprised we were the #6 scoring offense as statistically that ranking was something of an anomaly which hid some serious problems that needed addressing.

What's changed? Nothing. Why are we winning then? Easy answer. A much improved defense we committed massive salary cap resources to fix.
RE: I get it, sheloves ...  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/22/2016 11:46 pm : link
In comment 13229973 Manny in CA said:
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The problem with not having an offense that is not diversified (basically a very paltry running game) is that it's easier to control.

After we play the Browns, we basically run into the hardest part of the schedule - The Steelers, Dallas, Lions. Eagles and Skins. (The only team that's maybe a bit shaky is Philly).

Point is, I don't think we're going to cut it, with the offense running on four cylinders, the rest of the year (and hope we get into "the big dance".


Pitt's D sucks. Antonio Brown Bell and Brown make them a test but that is a game that can be won. I'm also of the mind that the D can play much much better vs Wash.
I thought the offense would be much better too.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/23/2016 6:40 am : link
It's somewhat odd.
RE: RE: Can't compare last years stats  
gmenatlarge : 11/23/2016 7:23 am : link
In comment 13230277 Cruzin said:
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In comment 13230236 djstat said:


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Constantly playing from behind. Throwing against prevent defenses padding stats



Not necessarily true. We had to throw constantly because we had no running game and our defense couldn't stop anyone but I did the research a few months ago after a discussion on the same topic and it turns out we didn't trail in as many games as common perception.

agreed, anyone remember the 5 losses with th LEAD in the 4th qtr?
RE: No-one's saying they stink ....  
BigBlueShock : 11/23/2016 8:05 am : link
In comment 13230316 Manny in CA said:
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What a lot of people suspect is they're not the 6th best team in the NFL, but just a good team that's beaten people who they're expected to beat.

What I'm saying is that I'm surprised that the offense that took Carolina and New England to the wire (last year) isn't ripping the weak sisters" of the NFL more convincingly.

Weak sisters of the NFL? Wtf? Are you serious? Exactly which of these defenses that the Giants have played are considered weak sisters of the NFL? Absolutely ludicrous.Dallas? Philly? The Rams are a weak sister on defense? Cincy? Baltimore? Chicago? These are weak defenses?

Give it a rest. The Giants have played some very tough defenses. I'd say only New Orleans fits into your stupid category. But go ahead and keep waiting for Armageddon. Unreal.
Banging the drum..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2016 8:22 am : link
that we are "beating the people we are supposed to beat" seems to ignore beating Dallas.

Christ, you'd make it sound like we are 7-3 and have been favored in all 7 wins and by a significant margin. I don't think in any game (other than Sunday) have we been favored by more than 3 points.
Five weeks ago  
steve in ky : 11/23/2016 8:30 am : link
After three losses in a row this site was in full meltdown mode from majority of the members and people questioning Eli, McAdoo and Odell.

Now after five wins in a row and having a 7-3 record that amazingly still isn't enough for some fans because we aren't winning in a fashion that pleases them.

This is a great start to a coaches first season with a team filled with question marks. Enjoy it.

RE: im a little stumped how this offense isn't better.  
schabadoo : 11/23/2016 8:34 am : link
In comment 13230170 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Also, as much as I like Sheppard, I thought he would be more of a home run type player when they were raving about him. IMO he's a lot like Steve Smith was when he was here. We really have no real threat outside of OBJ and it seems everyone is rolling coverage to his side and playing 2 or 3 deep on every play.


We have talent at WR, but in the wrong distribution. Two solid slot receivers and a great outside wideout is an odd mix. A decent #2 would add so much to this offense.
I don't care what they say I still think Eli was hurt  
eli4life : 11/23/2016 8:49 am : link
In the wash game and seems to be getting over it the past few weeks. Don't know if it contributed to this or not but just throwing it out there
...  
christian : 11/23/2016 8:52 am : link
Enjoying the success and being surprised the offense has taken a step back from last year aren't mutually exclusive.

I look at how much more frequently we're turning the ball over. Almost .5 more giveaways a game over last year. And of course the circumstances with those turnovers and creating short fields for opponents.

A good point Big Blue Shock makes though, is despite having played middle of the pack teams, we've played a lot of teams with good defenses.

That's a bit of an anomaly. A lot of teams hovering around .500 have top 10 defenses.



Offense  
stretch234 : 11/23/2016 9:03 am : link
How were the Giants playing from behind last year through 10 games padding stats.

They were ahead in Dallas, they were ahead against Atl, Was, Buf, SF & TB. They were mostly behind by 1 score against NO & NE and then got the lead and still lost

Complete BS

Road to super bowl  
spike : 11/23/2016 9:06 am : link
Just beat Atlanta, Dallas and Seattle

#roadwarriorsPart2
RE: 1. Teams seem to be paying even more attention to OBJ  
allstarjim : 11/23/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 13230041 yatqb said:
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2. Despite Randle's awful route running, he was able to get deep a bunch when in single coverage.


To me it's obvious this is the issue. Randle definitely wasn't a refined receiver, but he still got 800 yards and 8 TDs last season... and it was the threat of the bid downfield play he offered, that allowed OBJ to have a little more freedom on the other side of the field. Because of Randle's size and ball skills, he was able to make teams pay for leaving him with one-on-one consistently.

That's why getting a true deep ball playmaker is so important for this offense for 2017. Whether that be in free agency or the draft, or both. I think they need a big receiver who can stretch the field, and that alleviate things for Odell and in turn, help this whole offense.

There's something to be said for not being able to run the ball, but I think the biggest problem is having a Z-receiver who is a credible deep ball threat.
for everyone calling for more domination  
djm : 11/23/2016 10:24 am : link
and I do mean everyone, take a look around the league at every team not named Dallas and NE. EVERY game is close and even Dallas and NE are in dog fights more often than not. Even in the old days when football was tougher and teams were better and depth charts were deeper...all that....the elite teams didn't dominate as much as revisionist history suggests. Look at the 86 Giants--the best team in NYG history. They were barely winning games all year long up until December. They barely beat shaky teams like Philly and Dallas, Saints and OAK. They lost to Seattle and Dallas.

With that said, no one says to ignore the shortcomings but shortcomings can turn in to strengths seemingly overnight. Strengths can regress into shit in no time. We've all seen this. The 2006 Colts couldn't stop the run all season long...they were literally dreadful in the most important team stat of them all but they were winning. And then they figured out the RUN D in January and the rest is history. I don't even have to tell you about our very own NYG history. Things change during a season. As I type this I will remind you that the Giants running game has played well for two straight weeks. JEnnings got hot second half LAST year. Fact. Jennings is heating up second half THIS year, based on two weeks of data. Fact. PErkins is a rookie who seems to be getting better. Who knows what happens but things appear to be trending upward with this team. And the D isn't going anywhere.
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djm : 11/23/2016 10:24 am : link
86 Giants schedule/results...
86 - ( New Window )
A Mike Wallace type  
BigBlueShock : 11/23/2016 10:25 am : link
Would have been perfect for this team in that regard
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