nice player, proved he could stay healthy, was a critical part of the LB coverage unit that helped shut down passing games. He will want more than his 1-year "prove-it" deal he got with us for 1.15MM. What do we do with him? Are you okay with losing him?
I want to keep him, but wouldn't go too long on the contract. I'm thinking 4 years $16MM with $8MM guaranteed sounds about right.
Thoughts?
I'd like to re-sign him, but not a priority. let him shop and if he enjoyed NY let him bring his offer back to the Giants to see if they can be competitive, but like I said not a priority and ideally Goodson makes him redundant.
I'd like to re-sign him, but not a priority. let him shop and if he enjoyed NY let him bring his offer back to the Giants to see if they can be competitive, but like I said not a priority and ideally Goodson makes him redundant.
Seems to me that Goodson is really the complement to Robinson - with Robinson being a coverage specialist and Goodson the run-stopper.
That's just based on the very little I've seen and heard about Goodson so far though.
Giants need to figure out who their best option is at WILL, and do they need to look at the open market.
Goodson should get a long look at MIKE, Kennard is set at SAM. I wouldn't spend big on Robinson. He needs to step up and win the WILL spot and put Casillas' arse on the pine.
Don't forget that Casillas was playing injured for much of the year, part of why he disappeared after looking strong early.
Secondly, how much do you think he earned for himself after this year? He can't step up and win the WILL spot without first getting a contract offer from us. How much would you offer?
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I wouldn't spend big on Robinson. He needs to step up and win the WILL spot and put Casillas' arse on the pine.
Don't forget that Casillas was playing injured for much of the year, part of why he disappeared after looking strong early.
Secondly, how much do you think he earned for himself after this year? He can't step up and win the WILL spot without first getting a contract offer from us. How much would you offer?
Hey Dan, Casillas is a package player, meaning he needs to fit a role(s) rather than play full-time.
As for Robinson, 2 or 3 years, $3M per seems to be ballpark for adequate WILLs, imv. You, as a businessman, probably know better than me. grin
I know coverage isn't all about speed, but Goodson ran a significantly better 40 than Robinson. Plus, watch the highlights of Goodson, he doesn't struggle in coverage at the college level.
the areas where Goodson struggled is with his closing speed on edge runs, something Robinsion is never asked to do.
Goodson is not purely a 3rd down/nickel LB like Robinson, but the hopes (and let's face it as a 4th round pick they're just hopes) is that Goodson is a more complete LB than Robinson removing the need for him.
I think the Giants envision or hope Goodson turns into Antonio Pierce v2. Run stopping MIKE who can play 3 downs and rush the passer when asked.
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Goodson makes him redundant.
I'd like to re-sign him, but not a priority. let him shop and if he enjoyed NY let him bring his offer back to the Giants to see if they can be competitive, but like I said not a priority and ideally Goodson makes him redundant.
Seems to me that Goodson is really the complement to Robinson - with Robinson being a coverage specialist and Goodson the run-stopper.
That's just based on the very little I've seen and heard about Goodson so far though.
Goodson makes Shephard redundant. Both are 'run stoppers'.
I would give Robinson, a two year deal for about 4 mill.
Let Shephard walk away.
We know how Jerruh loves him some linebackers.
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But I personally like Kennard-Robinson-Casillas as a starting 3. Work Goodson in more as Sheppard's replacement against the run and I'm fine. Re-sign Hank and JPP and focus on the offense in 2017.
They tend to get shit on, because we watch other teams and the way their linebackers play....
Was this unit a good one compared to what we have been trotting out there, the last 4 seasons? Yes it was, so it tends to make them a little better looking this season, than they actually are.....not one of them is a force....each has their own pluses, but they are for the most part average linebackers....
Can Goodson improve in pass coverage? Will he take that leap next year, with a year's experience and knowing what is expected from him?
Casillas is more a coverage linebacker, and average at that...
Kennard, just has not reached the promise he has flashed...he is easily blocked on blitzes, his coverage skills are so-so....the Giants for some reason tend to look for diamonds in the rough, in late rounds, at this position....and not too successful at it...
Sheppard tends to arrive after the posse....
Our free agents are, JPP, Hankins, Robinson, Hall, Herz, Sensabaugh, Wade, and Sheppard...
I don't think you can sign both JPP and Hankins, and have money for the offense.....I think JPP knows this is his last opportunity for a big contract, and the Giants are not going to get a "hometown deal" from him....Do you pay him big bucks, and cross your fingers he can stay on the field? I think Hankins is easier to replace than JPP....but, if JPP goes elsewhere you will need big bucks for his replacemnt, too.
Robinson I would give a reasonable offer....
We spent a lot of money last season on the defense last year, and it had great results.....at the sacrifice of the offense.....
This offense has to be fixed, and there is only so much cap space.....
Goodson replaces Sheppard next season. Depending on how things go at other spots, Casillas might be back. Kennard is coming on. I worry about next year because I fear a false sense of security emboldened by '16 stats. Look they played some shit offenses. They caught some others at the right time. But the linebacking unit doesn't phase me. They held up. They aren't jerk offs off the field. I am worried about JPP & Hank leaving because petty rationalizations are readily available for those dreadful scenarios .
Yeah, I wouldn't go longer than 2 years or above the 3 million price. He's a nice player but he's got a history of being injured a lot and one full season doesn't convince me the injuries are a thing of the past. You make him a nice offer, if he declines then thank you for your time here and good luck wherever life takes you.
I could be wrong about his value though, and from the opinions here I probably am.
I worry that we'll lose him to someone over a million dollars and he'll shine elsewhere while we're back to watching TE's and RB's moving the chains on third down.
IMO he was a key reason why we were able to force the highest number of 3 and outs in the entire league this year.
If he leaves, we better find someone good to replace him.
There's a lot of bills to be paid this offseason, and the cap space isn't as flush as it was last year. If someone comes along and offers this guy $10M worth of guaranteed money, do you match it?
Same here. Robinson, Kennard, Casillas, Goodson and add to the mix Ishaq Williams. I think the Giants really like Williams and will further his development. Robinson is a keeper and while I like Sheppard, he is redundant to Goodson who I envision getting more playing time next year.
There's a lot of bills to be paid this offseason, and the cap space isn't as flush as it was last year. If someone comes along and offers this guy $10M worth of guaranteed money, do you match it?
I might.
I guess I'd look at the FA numbers for WILL LB over the past several years. I wouldn't want him to get to FA, so I'd make him a competitive pre-emptive offer - nothing along the lines of an all-pro, but maybe 125% of starting WILL median and offer to guarantee 2 yrs of the contract's AAV.
If he gets to FA I think he'll do better than that.
There's a lot of bills to be paid this offseason, and the cap space isn't as flush as it was last year. If someone comes along and offers this guy $10M worth of guaranteed money, do you match it?
I can't see him getting a huge offer elsewhere.
I don't see this as a huge issue, he will get a modest contract over 2 or 3 years. A difference of a million, or an extra year isn't going to break the cap. They have the space not to quibble over Robinson's contract, which will be modest by today's standards...he is a 4-3 LB.
This isn't the contract Reese will be losing sleep over.
LBers looked better because the DL & the DB played better (pass & run support).
Casillas has nice leadership qualities, and you may try to keep him to have a leader in the LBers room, and you'd obviously like to have as much stability as possible, but I wouldnt lose sleep if we lost any.
I'd like to re-sign him, but not a priority. let him shop and if he enjoyed NY let him bring his offer back to the Giants to see if they can be competitive, but like I said not a priority and ideally Goodson makes him redundant.
Haha ok.