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Giants clearing cap to make legitimate run at Pierre-Paul

Vin_Cuccs : 2/13/2017 7:27 pm
Prior to the start of free agency.

Link below from NFL.com and Garafolo.

If this is already been posted, I will delete.


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I'd love to see it, but  
Giantgator : 2/13/2017 7:33 pm : link
what's in it for JPP to sign before FA?
That $12 million number is probably unrealistic....  
Reb8thVA : 2/13/2017 7:34 pm : link
I think the number is going to come in closer to the 14-17 million range. I'm guessing the Giants opening bid will be 12-13 million.
RE: I'd love to see it, but  
Metnut : 2/13/2017 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13359939 Giantgator said:
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what's in it for JPP to sign before FA?


To avoid getting tagged and get a multiyear deal?
Maybe, maybe some offensive linemen instead....  
grizz299 : 2/13/2017 7:38 pm : link
I'm always struck with one question ...>How would New England handle JPP.?
"Don't think twice, it's allright" and he's gone on the next plane. Three competent offensive linemen sighed with the same money. And one gets hurt and you're still allright.
RE: That $12 million number is probably unrealistic....  
section125 : 2/13/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13359940 Reb8thVA said:
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I think the number is going to come in closer to the 14-17 million range. I'm guessing the Giants opening bid will be 12-13 million.


Reb it really depends on guarantee $$. Maybe 5 yrs $60 mill with a $35 or $40 mill guarantee...
RE: Maybe, maybe some offensive linemen instead....  
Old Dirty Beckham : 2/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13359949 grizz299 said:
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I'm always struck with one question ...>How would New England handle JPP.?
"Don't think twice, it's allright" and he's gone on the next plane. Three competent offensive linemen sighed with the same money. And one gets hurt and you're still allright.


You cant use what NE does as a model because the Giants don't have Tom Brady or a coach like BB.
RE: Maybe, maybe some offensive linemen instead....  
Craigg619 : 2/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13359949 grizz299 said:
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I'm always struck with one question ...>How would New England handle JPP.?
"Don't think twice, it's allright" and he's gone on the next plane. Three competent offensive linemen sighed with the same money. And one gets hurt and you're still allright.


You may be right in most cases, but defensive end is just such an important position, maybe 2nd biggest position on entire team. JPP is a really good, well rounded defensive end too. A lot of people think he has underperformed, but throughout his career he has been consistently good against the run and always a threat to get to QB despite sack numbers.

I just feel like he's too important to let leave, especially with our concerning lack of depth at the position. As good as our defense was last year, a lot of our sacks came from secondary, especially after JPP went down. I feel like he's a must to keep, but they know better than I do so I will support the decision regardless.
What LT  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
is going to be a FA that's worth JPP money? If we can't use that money to greatly upgrade the OL it might as well be used to keep our defense as good as possible.

This myth that the Pats don't play their good players is just that. They let some go, the others they pay.
RE: Maybe, maybe some offensive linemen instead....  
robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13359949 grizz299 said:
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I'm always struck with one question ...>How would New England handle JPP.?
"Don't think twice, it's allright" and he's gone on the next plane. Three competent offensive linemen sighed with the same money. And one gets hurt and you're still allright.


When we have Belichick then we can handle free agents like NE.
RE: RE: That $12 million number is probably unrealistic....  
Reb8thVA : 2/13/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13359953 section125 said:
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In comment 13359940 Reb8thVA said:


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I think the number is going to come in closer to the 14-17 million range. I'm guessing the Giants opening bid will be 12-13 million.



Reb it really depends on guarantee $$. Maybe 5 yrs $60 mill with a $35 or $40 mill guarantee...


Very true
I would love for us to keep JPP  
SomeFan : 2/13/2017 7:48 pm : link
It seemed a bit of a longshot but this is certainly welcome news.
JPP wants $85M ....  
Manny in CA : 2/13/2017 7:48 pm : link

He failed to get the big money, last year before he got hurt. That frustration is pent-up, it's going to get very ugly (especially if they tag him).

In the mean-time there's massive hole in the O-line (where they may be forced to bring in a very expensive left tackle [via trade for a high draft choice]). Not to mention the hole created by Victor Cruz' departure (and the lack of a tight end who can play at a high level)

I's the offense' turn to get fixed, it won't be cheap.
RE: JPP wants $85M ....  
Brown Recluse : 2/13/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13359968 Manny in CA said:
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He failed to get the big money, last year before he got hurt. That frustration is pent-up, it's going to get very ugly (especially if they tag him).

In the mean-time there's massive hole in the O-line (where they may be forced to bring in a very expensive left tackle [via trade for a high draft choice]). Not to mention the hole created by Victor Cruz' departure (and the lack of a tight end who can play at a high level)

I's the offense' turn to get fixed, it won't be cheap.


Are you The Manny?
I hope they don't break the bank on JPP  
Beer Man : 2/13/2017 7:58 pm : link
I love how the guy plays, but that is a lot of money to tie up in a guy who is a health risk
You absolutely can use the Pats as a model  
Go Terps : 2/13/2017 7:59 pm : link
Their success goes past having Brady.

Don't pay for past production, and don't overcommit to your own guys. Maintain financial flexibility and a pipeline of cheap, ascending talent.

We're going to pay our defensive ends a combined ~$30 million a year and still have questions about generating a conventional pass rush.

We don't play the Browns and Bears every week.
RE: JPP wants $85M ....  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13359968 Manny in CA said:
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He failed to get the big money, last year before he got hurt. That frustration is pent-up, it's going to get very ugly (especially if they tag him).

In the mean-time there's massive hole in the O-line (where they may be forced to bring in a very expensive left tackle [via trade for a high draft choice]). Not to mention the hole created by Victor Cruz' departure (and the lack of a tight end who can play at a high level)

I's the offense' turn to get fixed, it won't be cheap.


He can want $300 million, it doesn't really matter.
The  
AcidTest : 2/13/2017 8:29 pm : link
Giants will have to come up with a blow away offer to get him to skip FA.
If they don't re-sign him I expect us to draft Taco Charlton.  
yatqb : 2/13/2017 8:32 pm : link
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The money these players make  
seanbbq4h : 2/13/2017 8:40 pm : link
Is insane!
The sports world is going to come crashing down one day...
It's unsustainable
Who's gonna keep paying these ticket prices as they go up up up...
Glad I dumped my psl when I did...
Not Reese's style  
Marty866b : 2/13/2017 8:44 pm : link
To sign a player to a big contract on the downside of his career. Don't think he starts with JPP.
I hope I'm wrong  
Danny Kanell : 2/13/2017 8:48 pm : link
But I think giving him a huge contract is a big mistake.
RE: You absolutely can use the Pats as a model  
BigBlueShock : 2/13/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13359978 Go Terps said:
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Their success goes past having Brady.

Don't pay for past production, and don't overcommit to your own guys. Maintain financial flexibility and a pipeline of cheap, ascending talent.

We're going to pay our defensive ends a combined ~$30 million a year and still have questions about generating a conventional pass rush.

We don't play the Browns and Bears every week.

If it were up to you, youd be paying every player on the team the league minimum
It's a necessity  
Keith : 2/13/2017 8:50 pm : link
IMO. Offer slightly more than Vernon got and if he doesn't accept, tag him.
Giants will be somewhere around 35 under the cap  
Keith : 2/13/2017 8:56 pm : link
with 2 main FA's being JPP and Hankins. Realistically, I think you can get JPP's cap hit to be around $14M in year 1. That leaves us with $21M to work with. You can get the top guard on the market for $13M and still fill other holes and that's without having to restructure anyone.
Not that the Giants don't have interest  
bigbluehoya : 2/13/2017 8:57 pm : link
But this seems like a soft first lob over the net.

Pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing they floated their number ($12m), knowing he'll scoff at it, and this is Step 1 in setting up the "we wanted JPP, but he wanted to leave" narrative.

And I don't mean it negatively in even the slightest. I'm all for them having a number and sticking to it.

I could be dead wrong.
Of course we will.  
area junc : 2/13/2017 9:06 pm : link
Offseason going perfectly so far.

Next I expect Hankins to be allowed to test the market, with strict instructions to bring back any offer, a la Bradshaw, Boss and Cofield.
The Giants need to use the non-exclusive franchise ...  
Boy Cord : 2/13/2017 9:11 pm : link
... tag on JPP. Giamts can market or pass. JPP has trade value, so the Giants can get something in return. I think this is a no-brainer.
RE: The Giants need to use the non-exclusive franchise ...  
Boy Cord : 2/13/2017 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13360052 Boy Cord said:
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... tag on JPP. Giamts can market or pass. JPP has trade value, so the Giants can get something in return. I think this is a no-brainer.


It's a no-brainer unless they can get JPP into a long-term deal they want. Personally, I think the Giants will have too much tied up in DEs. That's a lot of money that can go elsewhere.
He has to be kept  
Joey in VA : 2/13/2017 9:15 pm : link
If he walks, it's right to Dallas and that would make my face implode.
Have to consider  
Old Dirty Beckham : 2/13/2017 9:20 pm : link
Elis age. We need to be all in. Losing jpp a big step back
RE: The  
est1986 : 2/13/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13360003 AcidTest said:
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Giants will have to come up with a blow away offer to get him to skip FA.


No they don't, they can offer him the franchise tag and force him to skip FA. Apply the tag, make your other moves, let other teams make other moves, hear out any trade offers, let JPP stew... He will fold and sign our multi year deal that's sitting on the table.. And if you decide you want to move on, you pull the tag. But if I'm NY, I tag him and I don't let him sign anywhere but here unless we get a first rounder out of it.
...  
christian : 2/13/2017 9:30 pm : link
We'll make a competitive offer to JPP because he's the best DE on the market, proven himself to the management and staff, respected in the lockerroom, plays a position of value in the system, and plays a position very hard to replace his 2-way skills.

The Giants could very well sign JPP and actually have less of the 2017 cap devoted to position this year.
RE: Have to consider  
UConn4523 : 2/13/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13360063 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Elis age. We need to be all in. Losing jpp a big step back


No we don't. The franchise doesn't die when Eli retires, but spending stupidly will have the same effect. I'm getting sick of hearing about the Eli window which can be 1 more year or 5, no one knows. We have to make smart football decisions regardless of who our QB is. I'm a huge JPP supporter but if they have a number allocated for him and he scoffs, they need to move on.
...  
christian : 2/13/2017 9:37 pm : link
The Giants are going to attack free agency with the wise, future-proof approach they always have.

You can count on one hand the prohibitive contracts Reese has handed out in a decade as a GM.

No one is mortgaging anything.
JPP  
Dragon : 2/13/2017 9:54 pm : link
Is not worth the health risk at over 12 mil for three years JR has got to see and know sometimes you just end the marriage because it's over. I think JPP is a good all around DE but he is no longer a possible stud DE he is what he has shown himself to be a very good run defense guy but a guy who can't get to the passer consistently. If we are clearing up major funds to sign that's a really dumb move whatever we all expected from JPP has just never happened in the past four years why will tomorrow be any different.
I hope he walks.......  
Dry Lightning : 2/13/2017 10:31 pm : link
Such an overated player. He is hurt not just every season.....but EVERY GAME! Remember, his "shoulder" was screwed up before the hernia. Dude is a medical risk from head to toe......shoulder, back, hernia, countless injuries. He is a good player and a decent dude but he is overpriced and these types of stupid signings always fuck us like Mr. Sehorns did. Here is one fact that can NOT be denied. Our defense played better when he was out. Is it Okwara? Who knows. But we WERE better.
RE: Of course we will.  
speedywheels : 2/13/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13360047 area junc said:
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Offseason going perfectly so far.

Next I expect Hankins to be allowed to test the market, with strict instructions to bring back any offer, a la Bradshaw, Boss and Cofield.


Do you also still expect Anthony Davis to sign??
RE: RE: Of course we will.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2017 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13360179 speedywheels said:
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In comment 13360047 area junc said:


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Offseason going perfectly so far.

Next I expect Hankins to be allowed to test the market, with strict instructions to bring back any offer, a la Bradshaw, Boss and Cofield.



Do you also still expect Anthony Davis to sign??


Baalke faxing in the finishing touches as we speak.
If it's $14-15  
Sonic Youth : 2/13/2017 10:47 pm : link
I think you've got to pull the trigger.

Should still leave room for Hankins also though. Hope we have enough for Pugh.

Strict instructions?  
Sonic Youth : 2/13/2017 10:47 pm : link
??? They're FAs. They can do what they want.
RE: Strict instructions?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/13/2017 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13360195 Sonic Youth said:
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??? They're FAs. They can do what they want.


It's area junk. You're wasting your breath.
RE: He has to be kept  
phillygiant : 2/13/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13360057 Joey in VA said:
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If he walks, it's right to Dallas and that would make my face implode.


Have you seen Dallas' cap situation?

On top of the fact that only 1 player in their secondary is under contract for next year...
We'll rue the day we let him go  
aquidneck : 2/14/2017 6:15 am : link
He's the best DL on the team and that's saying something. Let him go and our defense takes a step back in 2017.

Is that really what we're trying to accomplish.
I suspect  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/14/2017 6:29 am : link
the sticking point with JPP, (if there is in fact a sticking point) will be the length of contract rather than money per year.

If you recall last time, when they tagged him, he wanted a 6 year deal.
If there is one thing  
tomjgiant : 2/14/2017 7:09 am : link
this organization believes in,it is pass rushers.They drafted JPP when they already had Tuck and Osi.I don't think they will let their best pass rusher walk.They will work out a fair deal with him.
I think they'll work out a deal, but I'm betting he gets  
jcn56 : 2/14/2017 7:28 am : link
tagged first. And I highly doubt you see the backlash being predicted as a result. JPP has agents, they've told him what to expect here.
thank him for past production  
Shirk130 : 2/14/2017 7:41 am : link
and let someone else overpay him.
RE: You absolutely can use the Pats as a model  
Klaatu : 2/14/2017 8:01 am : link
In comment 13359978 Go Terps said:
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Their success goes past having Brady.

Don't pay for past production, and don't overcommit to your own guys. Maintain financial flexibility and a pipeline of cheap, ascending talent.

We're going to pay our defensive ends a combined ~$30 million a year and still have questions about generating a conventional pass rush.

We don't play the Browns and Bears every week.


Go Big or Go Terps!

the Pats plan  
UConn4523 : 2/14/2017 8:39 am : link
is tiresome as well. We get it, their MO with pending FA's is a great blueprint for NFL success....and they also have Brady/BB.

I agree with the philosophy behind it but to replicate isn't easily done and has a massive amount of risk, risk that's masked by having an all time great QB and coach.

This isn't even directed at the JPP situation which I am dead in the middle on. I see value in keeping him and letting him go but there's 31 other teams jockeying for FA's, more than a few with way more cap than us and replacing him won't be easy.

Letting him walk has a great deal of downside that can potentially be mitigated if he does in fact decline in play and/or health.
RE: the Pats plan  
Big Blue '56 : 2/14/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13360363 UConn4523 said:
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is tiresome as well. We get it, their MO with pending FA's is a great blueprint for NFL success....and they also have Brady/BB.

I agree with the philosophy behind it but to replicate isn't easily done and has a massive amount of risk, risk that's masked by having an all time great QB and coach.

This isn't even directed at the JPP situation which I am dead in the middle on. I see value in keeping him and letting him go but there's 31 other teams jockeying for FA's, more than a few with way more cap than us and replacing him won't be easy.

Letting him walk has a great deal of downside that can potentially be mitigated if he does in fact decline in play and/or health.


Agreed. The Pats plan is about Brady and Belichick, little more. When you have possibly the two bests that have ever lived, you can get away with A LOT..I never, ever felt their way of doing things was the paradigm to end all paradigms..
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