Hankins has played well, but run stuffers are easier to find at DT. It could be argued that what they need is a DT that can provide more of an inside pass rush to pair with Harrison.
Exactly, Hankins is simply not the right man for the job. Yes, it's nice to have two big run-stuffers for short yardage situations, but outside of that you'd ideally like a true 3-technique to complement Harrison. Maybe they'll find it in the draft. Maybe Bromley will suddenly become the guy they drafted him to be. Or maybe Odiggittygiggityzuwa will put on ten pounds and be the answer.
It was the core of their defense. I don't think you can undersell that. The defense was as successful as it was because teams couldnt run on them. I'd feed that strength, not take away from it.
You are living in Lala land, completely unrealistic.
I think offering JPP a deal similar to Vernon's isn't realistic. JPP does not carry the FA stature that Vernon carried last year. Vernon has NO injury history and was 2 years younger.
I don't think the Giants offer JPP that kind of a contract. And I wouldn't blame them if they didn't. I'd offer 35 guaranteed or so...
He has 1 back issue and 1 groin issue and one brain lapse issue.
Guy plays every fuckin snap and you guys think he is a china doll
I tend to agree. He got hurt at a bad time this year, but players across the league have sports hernia surgeries, they are incredibly common and they are healed from 100% almost every time. The problem this time was when it happened, we needed him for Green Bay.
I think DRC would have; and that area is where I would spend some cash. What good is having great players like Collins and Jenkins when the 3rd or 4th CB can be picked on?
Go get Logan Ryan.
Use that money for whats more important right now..
I find the Patriots comparison "what they would do with some JAG Olinesmen" to be very, very silly:
Pats are a powerhouse of player development and offensive systems and have Sir Bill and Brady and gang meshing at all world levels. Its flat out silly to assume that we use said 'free agency chits' that effectively on O.
On the other hand, we have a proven D coordinator, and a nearly great D, which carried the team last season. i.e a worthy place to invest.
Strategy 101, strongly reinforce the parts that are moving forward, i.e. the Patton thing, or Liddel Hart, The Indirect Approach.
Arguably our best defensive player besides Collins. Maybe even more valuable than Collins because of his position. His sack numbers do not show what a beast he is. He needs to be signed unless he wants some crazy contract. Our defensive core needs to be kept together. A lot of talent. Collins emerged as a beast. He was an impact player all year. But JPP has been an impact player for years now, and shows no signs of slowing down. Pass rush.
The Giants were always going to create cap room...
...by cutting the guys that didn't earn their keep. Whether it will be spent on JPP or not is problematical. What matters is the roster improvement those salary dollars represent.
and from what I'm hearing the value is close to what it was two years ago.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
To be clear, Jon is not saying JPP will accept, just that they have a number in mind and save for SOME compromise perhaps, they will stick to that number. Correct Jon?
RE: RE: RE: They're going to pay the man at their price
and from what I'm hearing the value is close to what it was two years ago.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
To be clear, Jon is not saying JPP will accept, just that they have a number in mind and save for SOME compromise perhaps, they will stick to that number. Correct Jon?
Pretty sure you're right, I'm just relieved to hear that we're not looking to make a 16-18 mil offer.
and from what I'm hearing the value is close to what it was two years ago.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
To be clear, Jon is not saying JPP will accept, just that they have a number in mind and save for SOME compromise perhaps, they will stick to that number. Correct Jon?
Pretty sure you're right, I'm just relieved to hear that we're not looking to make a 16-18 mil offer.
but he's only managed one full season out of the last 4. prior to that, he did seem to be an iron man in making it into uniform.
Not all of his games played were games played at full health.
I'm not a manager, but seems to me 4 'full' seasons (some of them with that ever present back injury) and 3 partial seasons might give one cause for thought when doling out big bucks.
to be fair, one half season was lost to off the field fireworks (less than full) judgment.
I would love to bring him back but he does have injury/health issues, along with a past of less than stellar conditioning issues. You can't just blindly look past that when deciding whether or not to allocate a HUGE chunk of the cap to him. and you can't blindly excuse a bad back which may, or may not, have been fixed.
I say "hurray". Giants aren't budging off their value chart. However, the last time around JPP didn't agree with that value chart. Rumors had it that he might have been ready to cave when the fireworks did that in.
Is he going to accept the Giants value? Has he learned to accept a good deal when it's on the table? or will he hold out for a better offer?
As JonC alluded to, what is likely to be offered by various teams is already known (keep it under your hat, the league is still pretending that tampering doesn't happen). JPP/agent knows, as do the Giants.
Giants will give him a fair offer. they're likely to exceed what they really want to fairly pay. But they're not going to outbid teams who are willing to go crazy on an offer.
Hankins will be more easily replaced than JPP.
Hankins has played well, but run stuffers are easier to find at DT. It could be argued that what they need is a DT that can provide more of an inside pass rush to pair with Harrison.
Guy plays every fuckin snap and you guys think he is a china doll
I think offering JPP a deal similar to Vernon's isn't realistic. JPP does not carry the FA stature that Vernon carried last year. Vernon has NO injury history and was 2 years younger.
I don't think the Giants offer JPP that kind of a contract. And I wouldn't blame them if they didn't. I'd offer 35 guaranteed or so...
Guy plays every fuckin snap and you guys think he is a china doll
I tend to agree. He got hurt at a bad time this year, but players across the league have sports hernia surgeries, they are incredibly common and they are healed from 100% almost every time. The problem this time was when it happened, we needed him for Green Bay.
Go get Logan Ryan.
Pats are a powerhouse of player development and offensive systems and have Sir Bill and Brady and gang meshing at all world levels. Its flat out silly to assume that we use said 'free agency chits' that effectively on O.
On the other hand, we have a proven D coordinator, and a nearly great D, which carried the team last season. i.e a worthy place to invest.
Strategy 101, strongly reinforce the parts that are moving forward, i.e. the Patton thing, or Liddel Hart, The Indirect Approach.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
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and from what I'm hearing the value is close to what it was two years ago.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
To be clear, Jon is not saying JPP will accept, just that they have a number in mind and save for SOME compromise perhaps, they will stick to that number. Correct Jon?
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and from what I'm hearing the value is close to what it was two years ago.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
To be clear, Jon is not saying JPP will accept, just that they have a number in mind and save for SOME compromise perhaps, they will stick to that number. Correct Jon?
Pretty sure you're right, I'm just relieved to hear that we're not looking to make a 16-18 mil offer.
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In comment 13361443 JonC said:
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and from what I'm hearing the value is close to what it was two years ago.
Sounds like fantastic news to me.
To be clear, Jon is not saying JPP will accept, just that they have a number in mind and save for SOME compromise perhaps, they will stick to that number. Correct Jon?
Pretty sure you're right, I'm just relieved to hear that we're not looking to make a 16-18 mil offer.
Gotcha
Not all of his games played were games played at full health.
I'm not a manager, but seems to me 4 'full' seasons (some of them with that ever present back injury) and 3 partial seasons might give one cause for thought when doling out big bucks.
to be fair, one half season was lost to off the field fireworks (less than full) judgment.
I would love to bring him back but he does have injury/health issues, along with a past of less than stellar conditioning issues. You can't just blindly look past that when deciding whether or not to allocate a HUGE chunk of the cap to him. and you can't blindly excuse a bad back which may, or may not, have been fixed.
Is he going to accept the Giants value? Has he learned to accept a good deal when it's on the table? or will he hold out for a better offer?
As JonC alluded to, what is likely to be offered by various teams is already known (keep it under your hat, the league is still pretending that tampering doesn't happen). JPP/agent knows, as do the Giants.
Giants will give him a fair offer. they're likely to exceed what they really want to fairly pay. But they're not going to outbid teams who are willing to go crazy on an offer.
Next I expect Hankins to be allowed to test the market, with strict instructions to bring back any offer,
"Strict instructions?" Wishful thinking to hope they can be placed upon a UFA, no?
Or what he said.