- A truce has been reached thanks to intervention from Adam Silver and MJ. It's expected Oakley will be back at the garden shortly.
-Hahn says Melo will not be traded
Around the league-
-Whispers that Embiid's knee is a "concern" to the 76ers and that they are downplaying it
- Saric 18 and 11 on 8-17, 3 assists. Last 5 games 19 and 6 with 3 assists on 51/41 shooting
-Kaminsky 12 and 11 (only shot 5-16, really surprised how poorly he has shot the ball)
-Leonard 32 points, 6 boards 3 assists, 4 steals. Averaging a ridiculous 33 and 7 with 4 assists, 2 steals last 5 games. He's my league MVP if I for some bizarre reason had a vote.
-Turner 22 and 6 (big fan but his lack of athleticism seems to limit his rebounding ability)
-Conley 32 and 6
-Lopez 17 points... 3 boards in 32 minutes
-Vucevic 13 and 17 with 3 assists, 3 blocks
-Super Mario 11 points, 1 board, 1 assist 1 steal over 16 minutes
-Sabonis 6 and 7. I only mention him because I have to say he has some intriguing skills despite his numbers. The fact he's getting so much burn (despite the #'s) as a 20 year old on a good team is a good sign. Moves really well, good hands. He's intriguing (again I know he hasn't been good)
-Maker 6 and 5 (3-10) over 17 minutes
-Beasley 23 points, 3 boards, 4 assists... had no idea he was playing so well in limited minutes
-Monroe 25 and 12. Sort of surprised you aren't hearing some of the teams looking for bigs in on Monroe. Yeah he needs the right team but the guy can play.
-Smart 19, 3 and 3... last 5 games 51% from the field
-Ferrell 20, 5 assists, 2 boards
-Jokic... WOW. 17 points, 12 assists, 21 boards, 2 steals
-Juancho 27 and 10, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Sure looks like both Hernangomez Brothers can ball
-PJ Tucker 11 and 16- one of the more likely movers at the deadline
-THjr 25, 7 and 4 (has been FANTASTIC lately)
toronto owns clippers first this year
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Someone posted an excerpt from Berman's story today that Phil thinks of KP and Willy as the frontcourt of the future. If Love isn't helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s, I don't see much point in acquiring him.
Is Melo helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s? At least having love gives you that upside. Maybe get what Ibaka got in return. Melo has no upside of that.
For those who think melo will get anything this offseason are ignoring the fact that he's going to be a 34 year old on an expiring contract. Cleveland seems to be the only realistic place he'd waive his clause anyways.
Keeping Melo around next year offers zero upside. Absolutely none. Love at least will be sub-30 with one more year on his deal. He could very well have no trade value (just like Melo). But he also could command some combo of picks/young players (unlike Melo).
There is absolutely none. People just want to add to the "typical Knicks move" narrative and it doesn't fit at all.
The benefits are two-fold. Switching Melo for Love (who won't play the rest of the season) all but guarantees you a top 5 pick in this draft. And then the upside of flipping Love next season after showcasing he is healthy for a piece or two to add to KP, Willy and a top 5 pick.
Why would they risk playing Love the last week of the season anyways?
1. Repair-Sometimes the meniscus can be repaired which has a better long term prognosis because the player usually makes a full recovery. The recovery is generally 4-6 months at a minimum, sometimes longer, but you want to make sure this heals right. This is what Rose had.
2. removal-when the knee is scoped and the tear is on the outer edges of the meniscus, it's shaved away or removed. The recovery is much quicker, they are saying 4-6 weeks, but there are plenty of examples of athletes coming back much quicker and longer than the 6 weeks. Marshall Faulk came back in 2 weeks I think. The player comes back quicker and can regain form, but this will cause arthritis as there is no cartilage preventing the bones from hitting. Usually that takes a while to come on, as I've mentioned, it usually effects guys in their mid-late 30's depending on their fitness level.
Raptors Get:
Melo
Jennings
KOQ
Holiday
Knicks Get:
Carroll
Powell
Sullinger
Wright
Patterson
Clips 1st rounder
You wouldn't do that?
Just an alternative.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
Not saying it's likely at all.
But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.
Carrol has been awful.
A jackass like David Stern probably would have banned Oakley from every arena in the league.
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Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!
But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.
Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!
But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
Toronto isn't likely, but Washington could be.
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.
Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!
But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
Toronto isn't likely, but Washington could be.
Why? Toronto I get making moves like Ibaka because you're going to pay Lowry the max through his mid-30s and even if no one really is going to beat GS you at least have a small shot at taking your team for the Finals for the first time ever.
Don't see why Washington is forced to make a move. John Wall is only 26 and Beal and Porter are both 23. Why not just let your team grow organically? By the time Wall is at his peak (maybe age 30-31) Beal and Porter could be all-stars (probably not Porter, but who knows? Both have gotten better every year in the league and maybe Oubre turns into something) and they will be read to take over the east when Lebron, Lowry and Horford are fading into their twilight years.
Washington should stay the course.
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
Not saying it's likely at all.
But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.
Carrol has been awful.
You're a good poster, but please stop acting like the half wits who call into WFAN proposing Melo and a first for the Nets 1st.
All signs point to this being Cleveland or bust. Melo's not waiving his NTC to uproot his family north of the boarder.
I'm a Parker fan, but I wouldn't be shocked if Milwaukee is able to find a strong defensive identity with Brogdon, Middleton, Giannis and Maker long term. Despite his talent, he's been the one guy in Mikwaukee's core that really doesn't fit the rest.
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
Not saying it's likely at all.
But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.
Carrol has been awful.
You're a good poster, but please stop acting like the half wits who call into WFAN proposing Melo and a first for the Nets 1st.
All signs point to this being Cleveland or bust. Melo's not waiving his NTC to uproot his family north of the boarder.
100% was a fantastical trade. Pulled up the trade machine and see what worked. I obviously know he'd never go to Toronto.
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And everybodys talking about Melos contract. Kevin Love has one more year left on his contract than Melo has. Melo only has two years left after that. So his contract is not as bad as Kevin Loves. And in a vacuum, you can argue Melo is a better player.
Its just a lot of upheaval. They would have to play a different style if they bring in Carmelo Anthony. But can you envision them against Golden State? Kyrie, LeBron, J.R. Smith, Carmelo Anthony and Tristan Thompson? I mean, now Durant or Draymond has to guard Melo and LeBron. You know what I mean? One of those guys is going to get a little bit of a break against Love. They wouldnt get a break against Melo.
I dont want to sound like something Im pushing it, because Im really not sure what I would do if I was Cleveland. It just makes it something that I would start to think about now, whereas before it was like, No way.
If Melo is a better matchup (or at least makes it harder to give someone a 'break' defensively), how was it "no way".
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Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..
instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary
Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.
so then why not go all out and tank instead of bringing in a guy like Duhon? Why not subsequently move a guy like Harrington to a contender?
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We had to clear every big salary from the books and not take back any salary into the 2010 season and every single team in the NBA knew exactly what we needed to do. You are trading from a position of weakness when there weren't a lot of teams knocking down the door for the guys that we had. Zach Randolph was a joke with the knicks, literally.
this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.
There's a shocking stance!
At the time, without rewriting history and knowing the future, Randolph was considered an albatross and we needed to clear him. My guess is Walsh feared we wouldn't be able to move him for expirings if the didn't do it asap. Randolph was not viewed as a player anyone wanted when he was with the Knicks.
something tells me you don't know dick about how Randolph was viewed at the time. It's amazing how much of a pass you give lousy Knick GMs. It's like Marc Berman taught you everything you know.
i am not saying love is a better player bit for the cavs vs warriors melo is a better fit because he can play next to thompson
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a better player than Love? That's ludicrous.
i am not saying love is a better player bit for the cavs vs warriors melo is a better fit because he can play next to thompson
that should say i am not saying melo is a better player
I think in real life Melo is better. Love shoots 43% as the #3 option with a very good PG and one of the 10 greatest players ever (and a great passer) getting him looks. I struggle to conceive of what Love does better than Melo outside of rebounding.
Cant evaluate them in a vacuum. Melo likely becomes more efficient on CLE and Love likely becomes less efficient in NY (there is a counter argument that he and LeBron dont fit correctly due to where they like to shoot from).
You dont give yourself enough credit!!! haha
Why argue with him? You know he is going to say the same things about whoever he dislikes time and time and time and time again.
wow, good one. Maybe shoot for not being completely lost when it comes to the NBA? It's amazing how often you need to be corrected.