- A truce has been reached thanks to intervention from Adam Silver and MJ. It's expected Oakley will be back at the garden shortly.
-Hahn says Melo will not be traded
Around the league-
-Whispers that Embiid's knee is a "concern" to the 76ers and that they are downplaying it
- Saric 18 and 11 on 8-17, 3 assists. Last 5 games 19 and 6 with 3 assists on 51/41 shooting
-Kaminsky 12 and 11 (only shot 5-16, really surprised how poorly he has shot the ball)
-Leonard 32 points, 6 boards 3 assists, 4 steals. Averaging a ridiculous 33 and 7 with 4 assists, 2 steals last 5 games. He's my league MVP if I for some bizarre reason had a vote.
-Turner 22 and 6 (big fan but his lack of athleticism seems to limit his rebounding ability)
-Conley 32 and 6
-Lopez 17 points... 3 boards in 32 minutes
-Vucevic 13 and 17 with 3 assists, 3 blocks
-Super Mario 11 points, 1 board, 1 assist 1 steal over 16 minutes
-Sabonis 6 and 7. I only mention him because I have to say he has some intriguing skills despite his numbers. The fact he's getting so much burn (despite the #'s) as a 20 year old on a good team is a good sign. Moves really well, good hands. He's intriguing (again I know he hasn't been good)
-Maker 6 and 5 (3-10) over 17 minutes
-Beasley 23 points, 3 boards, 4 assists... had no idea he was playing so well in limited minutes
-Monroe 25 and 12. Sort of surprised you aren't hearing some of the teams looking for bigs in on Monroe. Yeah he needs the right team but the guy can play.
-Smart 19, 3 and 3... last 5 games 51% from the field
-Ferrell 20, 5 assists, 2 boards
-Jokic... WOW. 17 points, 12 assists, 21 boards, 2 steals
-Juancho 27 and 10, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block. Sure looks like both Hernangomez Brothers can ball
-PJ Tucker 11 and 16- one of the more likely movers at the deadline
-THjr 25, 7 and 4 (has been FANTASTIC lately)
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roberson gives them nothing offensively, oladipo really has not been that good meahing with westbrook...
sabonis is a nice young piece for the future..
adams offensively has gotten better but he is not a guy you drop it down to and say go score, he us a very good defensive player and pick and roll player..
are you a rangers fan?
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What does the G stand for?
Gatorade
He's unlikely to win but it's kinda BS that a wing player basically doesn't get enough "credit" for being a 2 way guy when it comes to all-star games/MVP stuff. Why shouldn't he get a MAJOR boost for being such a strong 2 way guy? His defense is excellent, that has to take away some from his offense.
i call bullshit because the knicks couldnt fit 3 guys, donnie tried to but couldnt get rid of curry's contract which hindered the knicks in adding 3..
wade himself said he did not think it would happen until miami was able to fit 3 guys in...
and he also said it would of happened somewhere else if another team could and miami couldnt...
he was ready to sigm with chicago
There is "concern" in Cleveland that Kevin Love (knee) "could be in line for an extended absence," according to Cleveland beat reporter Joe Vardon.
"I would love to be able to tell you that he'll miss three games and be back, but I can't right now because we don't know," general manager David Griffin said. Love has already been ruled out for Tuesday's game and appears extremely unlikely to play Wednesday. Love will get a second opinion on Tuesday, and we will have to wait until the team announces the results of that exam. Channing Frye will start at power forward on Tuesday. Kyrie Irving and LeBron James will be asked to shoulder more of the offensive load with Love sidelined.
I think the odds are more that he will never reach his ceiling due to injuries than the opposite. It's a shame, such a talented and competitive kid.
Man that hurts.
I think if Love is out for the year then a Carmelo trade is definitely realistic. I'm just not sure if they will be able to determine with certainly the extend of Love's absence before the deadline.
LeBron vs LaLa...who wins?
Knicks/Cavs are both likely leaking stuff to their media contacts in a game of poker. We'll see who blinks first.
Agree on Melo.
I'd be really surprised if the Cavs didn't do something drastic(unless Love's injury is short term). Are they better than Boston without Love? What if Boston makes a move which they probably would? What other options would they have to bring in a key cog? It could all be negotiating tactics, but a season ending injury(while it sucks for Love), would be ideal considering our situation.
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but he made it sound like the Cavs have zero interest, even when DiPietro pressed him on the Love injury possibly changing things. I admire Melo wanting to stay in NY, but it's crystal clear at this point that winning just isn't on his priority list. The Knicks will win 30-35 games again next year at best.
Agree on Melo.
I'd be really surprised if the Cavs didn't do something drastic(unless Love's injury is short term). Are they better than Boston without Love? What if Boston makes a move which they probably would? What other options would they have to bring in a key cog? It could all be negotiating tactics, but a season ending injury(while it sucks for Love), would be ideal considering our situation.
That's the other side of the equation. If Love is out for an extended time, I think that increases the odds of Boston and/or Toronto making a move since it greatly improves their odds of beating Cleveland.
22, 6 and 12. 1 block, 1 steal. 65% TS, 26.8 PER, .236 WS/48
Magic Johnson:
21, 8 and 8, 3 steals, 53%, 17% from 3. 58% TS, 25.7 PER, .225 WS/48.
I can't think of a better comparison for what he's doing.
Team president Phil Jackson views Willy Hernangomez and Kristaps Porzingis as the "starting frontcourt tandem of the future," according to Mark Berman of the New York Post.
Sunday was the first time Hernangomez started alongside Porzingis and Knicks posted arguably their most impressive win of the season, a 94-90 victory over the Spurs. Joakim Noah (hamstring) is expected to miss at least one more game, so Hernangomez will likely start again on Wednesday vs. OKC. If Noah is healthy after the All-Star break, coach Jeff Hornacek will have a tough decision to make. Either way, Hernangomez had done enough to earn consistent minutes going forward.
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i call bullshit because the knicks couldnt fit 3 guys, donnie tried to but couldnt get rid of curry's contract which hindered the knicks in adding 3..
wade himself said he did not think it would happen until miami was able to fit 3 guys in...
and he also said it would of happened somewhere else if another team could and miami couldnt...
Interesting, hadn't seen this before. So is he kinda sorta admitting the three talked about joining together now after they denied it all these years?
he was ready to sigm with chicago
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i call bullshit because the knicks couldnt fit 3 guys, donnie tried to but couldnt get rid of curry's contract which hindered the knicks in adding 3..
wade himself said he did not think it would happen until miami was able to fit 3 guys in...
and he also said it would of happened somewhere else if another team could and miami couldnt...
Interesting, hadn't seen this before. So is he kinda sorta admitting the three talked about joining together now after they denied it all these years?
he was ready to sigm with chicago
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interesting, hadn't seen this before. So is he kinda sorta admitting the three talked about joining together now after they denied it all these years?
he was ready to sigm with chicago
Serge Ibaka is going to the Raptors for Terrence Ross and a first round pick, per @WojVerticalNBA
The recovery is much shorter than the "repair" of the meniscus and could be 4-6 weeks. A lot of players in the past have come back sooner than they do now(probably due to having more knowledge of the injury). It's the same procedure that Lin had when he missed 19 seasons.
If it heals properly, it's definitely something that Love can come back to without issues. However, this will effect him later in life, usually mid 30's because he will be missing a piece of his meniscus and that usually causes arthritis.
I think 6 weeks is a realistic timeframe to give him enough rest and therapy to get him to where he needs to be. That would get him back for the last 2 weeks of the regular season.
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ORL has Terrence Ross and a first-rounder to show for trading Serge Ibaka, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Tobias Harris and Moe Harkless.
Every GM should be on the phone with Orlando, whose GM is just in a "do something to save my job" mode.
if ibaka can regain his form it is a good trade but he has been awful this year
If you are the Cavs/ Lebron, are you risking Love being 100% healthy for the playoffs? If you could get Melo/ Jennings/ O'Quinn for Love, does that improve your title chances?
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If you are the Cavs/ Lebron, are you risking Love being 100% healthy for the playoffs? If you could get Melo/ Jennings/ O'Quinn for Love, does that improve your title chances?
you know damn well lwbron is in the cavs gm office saying make the deal
The only good point he has was that it would have prevented the Noah move.
Yeah, the bad Noah contract is a problem now because he's the third best center on the team. It would have hard to be confident that KOQ and Willy were capable of manning that position before we got to see how well they've played this year. KOQ has played much better than last year and Willy has been a real relevation and shown very little learning curve.
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but trading Lopez for Rose was far from the worst move that he's made. The only reason it's being treated as such is because Noah has been a mess. But clearing Lopez' salary and giving the C spot to Willy/KOQ would have been a fine move.
Yeah, the bad Noah contract is a problem now because he's the third best center on the team. It would have hard to be confident that KOQ and Willy were capable of manning that position before we got to see how well they've played this year. KOQ has played much better than last year and Willy has been a real relevation and shown very little learning curve.
But that's one of my arguments of Phil- he's bad a self scouting his own team. He should have known KOQ/ Willy/ Porzingis could cover the 5 spot. Or sign a vet for a shorter/ cheaper contract. Zero reason to give Noah that deal. He just doesn't have a direction and wants to straddle going for the playoffs and rebuilding, which is incredibly hard to to do. What he's accomplished is putting the Knicks in the worst spot you can be in the NBA- the middle of the pack.
And I can't stand D. Rose as a player but I still don't view the trade as that bad. Robin Lopez isn't a big loss.
What about Frye's contract? KOQ and Jennings aren't all stars, but it aligns them better to beat the Warriors and eliminates the risk of Love not being healthy for the playoffs.
It was an awful signing at the outset, but if rebuilding is the clear path then I actually want him around. You're right, that money doesn't affect anything. Actually, it forces Dolan to pay $17M a year to an aging vet when they're trying to lose games. Good, fuck him.
One issue I have with the article is how could anyone have a lot to show for Chandler, JR, and Shump? Chandler quit the previous season. JR turned back into asswipe JR and between Shump's impending free agent status and lack of progress, he wasn't a highly in demand player either.
Yes, it's a mistake to trade guys at the nadir of their value. But sometimes, you just want assholes and quitters off of your roster. In contrast, Zach Randolph averaged 18 & 10 as a Knick and was traded for old, soggy peanuts. But no one kills Donnie Walsh for that (in the basketball media).
Frye is also useful to them come playoff time. Shump is having a good year but I can't imagine the thought of relying on Shump to match Klay basket for basket in the finals sits well with Cleveland management, or Lebron.
They don't have to hit it even, the difference just gets split amongst the current players. Let KP and Willy wet the beak a little.
Wasn't that David lee?
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and more importantly, there is a floor they'd have to hit as well.
They don't have to hit it even, the difference just gets split amongst the current players. Let KP and Willy wet the beak a little.
Good pt, but Noah would see most of it, lol.
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because everyone knew that we had to get rid of his salary(to make a play for Lebron) and its not like there were teams lining up to trade for him. He wasn't a desirable player at all.
Wasn't that David lee?
No the ZBo trade was about the summer of LeBron. Literally, we got back a player with a previously unknown heart condition and proceeded anyway. Because it was just a 2010 dump. That trade still pisses me off.
He was 27 years-old putting up numbers and was traded for literally nothing a month into the season. If Phil is going to catch heck for trading malcontents and idiots for no return, Walsh should've gotten the same criticism.
Both deals were made to clear salary cap space for the summer of 2010 for when LeBron James becomes a free agent. The contracts of Harrington, Thomas and Mobley all expire in two years which will put the Knicks in position to make a run at James, the most coveted free agent since Shaquille O'Neal left the Orlando Magic to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers.
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I just want to watch good basketball.
As long as Willy starts next to Kris, I can turn away from the shit show, otherwise.
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One issue I have with the article is how could anyone have a lot to show for Chandler, JR, and Shump? Chandler quit the previous season. JR turned back into asswipe JR and between Shump's impending free agent status and lack of progress, he wasn't a highly in demand player either.
Yes, it's a mistake to trade guys at the nadir of their value. But sometimes, you just want assholes and quitters off of your roster. In contrast, Zach Randolph averaged 18 & 10 as a Knick and was traded for old, soggy peanuts. But no one kills Donnie Walsh for that (in the basketball media).
The media sucks up to Donnie Walsh because he was an open book and is a nice man. He did not do a good job with the Knicks.
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because everyone knew that we had to get rid of his salary(to make a play for Lebron) and its not like there were teams lining up to trade for him. He wasn't a desirable player at all.
Wasn't that David lee?
No the ZBo trade was about the summer of LeBron. Literally, we got back a player with a previously unknown heart condition and proceeded anyway. Because it was just a 2010 dump. That trade still pisses me off.
Ah ok. I actually think I started following basketball (or at least the Knicks) shortly after Randolph got traded. Lee, Wilson Chandler and Tmac were the three memorable players that year for me I believe.
Trevor Ariza's still in the league, by the way. Traded for Stevie Franchise, when Isiah and Larry Brown literally shrugged their shoulders at the press conference and admitted they were just throwing shit against the wall.
Walsh was hired to do that and he did what he had to do. All he needed to do was clear as much salary as possible and draft well. His drafts were ok. Drafted Gallo who was probably the best pick considering the value on the board. Jordan Hill was a brutal pick.
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That saying something about love or am I reading too much into that?
I mean they were supposedly snooping around for a PG and a big for a few weeks now so it could be a little of both.
I'll never forget that - Isiah actually, seriously said "It's so crazy, it just might work"
God almighty, what did we all do to deserve over 15 years of this shitshow?
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That saying something about love or am I reading too much into that?
I mean they were supposedly snooping around for a PG and a big for a few weeks now so it could be a little of both.
Ibaka is probably a factor too.
What a spectacle that Larry Brown year was. He came up with starting lineups based on what city the team was in. I remember he threw rookie Nate Robinson in the starting lineup in Portland because Nate was from the Pacific Northwest. He did the same for Channing Frye when we played in Phoenix. And he stapled David Lee to the bench for the likes of Malik Rose and Mo Taylor.
That's why Morely smartly became a buyer of contracts and assets to go with them.
Then we didn't get LeBron and all that selling was for nothing.
That's why Morely smartly became a buyer of contracts and assets to go with them.
Then we didn't get LeBron and all that selling was for nothing.
walshs tenure failed whem he decided to try and win games rather than just completely blowing it up and tanking..
plus he told the media everything..
the mcgrady trade was god awful where he gave up a first..
the randolph and crawford trades were awful, he ruahed trying to get rid of their salaries when every gm in the nba knew what he was doing
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That saying something about love or am I reading too much into that?
I mean they were supposedly snooping around for a PG and a big for a few weeks now so it could be a little of both.
Ibaka is probably a factor too.
I'm totally on board with the sentiment that Ibaka has been a little overhyped. But whatever Toronto has been trotting out at the 4 spot has been so bad, that I think getting even a slightly above average PF is a massive win for them. Even though they've been in absolute free fall a lot of their losses have been by less than 5 points (many 1,2,3 point losses too).
Should make things a bit interesting. The Cavs can't put out Frye and Thompson against Ibaka and JV and expect things to go well.
do you know what randolph was averaging in those 11 games before he was traded?
this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.
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We had to clear every big salary from the books and not take back any salary into the 2010 season and every single team in the NBA knew exactly what we needed to do. You are trading from a position of weakness when there weren't a lot of teams knocking down the door for the guys that we had. Zach Randolph was a joke with the knicks, literally.
this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.
There's a shocking stance!
At the time, without rewriting history and knowing the future, Randolph was considered an albatross and we needed to clear him. My guess is Walsh feared we wouldn't be able to move him for expirings if the didn't do it asap. Randolph was not viewed as a player anyone wanted when he was with the Knicks.
This is obviously a major blow to both the Cavs and to Love owners. There are only eight weeks left in the NBA season, so even if Love stays on schedule and returns six weeks from today, Cleveland will likely limit his minutes over the final fortnight of the regular season in order to keep him fresh for the playoffs. In the interim, Channing Frye will likely see the biggest boost in fantasy value, with Richard Jefferson also soaking up extra minutes."
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Not 1 walsh move was a good move
they should of been top 4 in the draft that year not 6...
I agree with you. He did what he was hired to do.
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clear salary for a run at lebron. He drafted Gallo, that was good.
they should of been top 4 in the draft that year not 6...
Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
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clear salary for a run at lebron. He drafted Gallo, that was good.
they should of been top 4 in the draft that year not 6...
Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..
instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary
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The Cavaliers just announced that Kevin Love underwent arthroscopic surgery today on his left knee and will be out an estimated six weeks
Might be just short enough for Cleveland to stay the course.
the mcgrady trade was awful, gave up a 1st, bevause he thought mcgrady would show something, then would resign for dirt cheap as the 3rd guy, failed miserably
Someone posted an excerpt from Berman's story today that Phil thinks of KP and Willy as the frontcourt of the future. If Love isn't helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s, I don't see much point in acquiring him.
Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..
instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary
Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.
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Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..
instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary
Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.
Um... what is the relevance to this conversation? lol
Could Toronto potentially be attaching picks/young guys for someone to take on Carroll? No need to make a move this season, but potential send O'Quinn/Kuz for their first rounder, Poetl and Wright or something along those lines. Move Derozan to the 3 and play Powell at the 2.
eric he also traded for larry hughes and chris wilcox in an attempt to win more games and try and make the playoffs..
randolph and crawford wee part of the "big r" of bad contracts he had to move
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Someone posted an excerpt from Berman's story today that Phil thinks of KP and Willy as the frontcourt of the future. If Love isn't helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s, I don't see much point in acquiring him.
Is Melo helping us add 1s, 2s or 3s? At least having love gives you that upside. Maybe get what Ibaka got in return. Melo has no upside of that.
For those who think melo will get anything this offseason are ignoring the fact that he's going to be a 34 year old on an expiring contract. Cleveland seems to be the only realistic place he'd waive his clause anyways.
Keeping Melo around next year offers zero upside. Absolutely none. Love at least will be sub-30 with one more year on his deal. He could very well have no trade value (just like Melo). But he also could command some combo of picks/young players (unlike Melo).
There is absolutely none. People just want to add to the "typical Knicks move" narrative and it doesn't fit at all.
The benefits are two-fold. Switching Melo for Love (who won't play the rest of the season) all but guarantees you a top 5 pick in this draft. And then the upside of flipping Love next season after showcasing he is healthy for a piece or two to add to KP, Willy and a top 5 pick.
Why would they risk playing Love the last week of the season anyways?
1. Repair-Sometimes the meniscus can be repaired which has a better long term prognosis because the player usually makes a full recovery. The recovery is generally 4-6 months at a minimum, sometimes longer, but you want to make sure this heals right. This is what Rose had.
2. removal-when the knee is scoped and the tear is on the outer edges of the meniscus, it's shaved away or removed. The recovery is much quicker, they are saying 4-6 weeks, but there are plenty of examples of athletes coming back much quicker and longer than the 6 weeks. Marshall Faulk came back in 2 weeks I think. The player comes back quicker and can regain form, but this will cause arthritis as there is no cartilage preventing the bones from hitting. Usually that takes a while to come on, as I've mentioned, it usually effects guys in their mid-late 30's depending on their fitness level.
Raptors Get:
Melo
Jennings
KOQ
Holiday
Knicks Get:
Carroll
Powell
Sullinger
Wright
Patterson
Clips 1st rounder
You wouldn't do that?
Just an alternative.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
Not saying it's likely at all.
But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.
Carrol has been awful.
A jackass like David Stern probably would have banned Oakley from every arena in the league.
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Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!
But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.
Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!
But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
Toronto isn't likely, but Washington could be.
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until you clear up #1. Melo is not going to Toronto. Clearly winning is not his top priority, he wants to be comfortable, doesn't want to uproot his team and play with his buddies. Toronto offers none of that. His BF's aren't on Toronto. I highly doubt he wants to move his family to Canada.
Well yeah lol. It's funny to think about it though. LaLa takes on Toronto. But hey, don't even need to move the family! It's what, a 90 minute trip via private jet/air Canada? That's nothing!
But hey if you're phil why don't you tell Melo to leak it like he's excited what Toronto has to offer, drum up interest and force Clevelands hand to deal Love (or maybe Boston comes back into play with a serious offer).
Toronto isn't likely, but Washington could be.
Why? Toronto I get making moves like Ibaka because you're going to pay Lowry the max through his mid-30s and even if no one really is going to beat GS you at least have a small shot at taking your team for the Finals for the first time ever.
Don't see why Washington is forced to make a move. John Wall is only 26 and Beal and Porter are both 23. Why not just let your team grow organically? By the time Wall is at his peak (maybe age 30-31) Beal and Porter could be all-stars (probably not Porter, but who knows? Both have gotten better every year in the league and maybe Oubre turns into something) and they will be read to take over the east when Lebron, Lowry and Horford are fading into their twilight years.
Washington should stay the course.
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
Not saying it's likely at all.
But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.
Carrol has been awful.
You're a good poster, but please stop acting like the half wits who call into WFAN proposing Melo and a first for the Nets 1st.
All signs point to this being Cleveland or bust. Melo's not waiving his NTC to uproot his family north of the boarder.
I'm a Parker fan, but I wouldn't be shocked if Milwaukee is able to find a strong defensive identity with Brogdon, Middleton, Giannis and Maker long term. Despite his talent, he's been the one guy in Mikwaukee's core that really doesn't fit the rest.
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1. Melo isn't going to Toronto.
2. Toronto is going to trade half of the team just to get 2017 melo? unlikely.
Not saying it's likely at all.
But if they're half-assing it with Ibaka, they might as well full-ass it. They've had the worst wing rotation amongst all playoff teams in both conferences until today.
Carrol has been awful.
You're a good poster, but please stop acting like the half wits who call into WFAN proposing Melo and a first for the Nets 1st.
All signs point to this being Cleveland or bust. Melo's not waiving his NTC to uproot his family north of the boarder.
100% was a fantastical trade. Pulled up the trade machine and see what worked. I obviously know he'd never go to Toronto.
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And everybodys talking about Melos contract. Kevin Love has one more year left on his contract than Melo has. Melo only has two years left after that. So his contract is not as bad as Kevin Loves. And in a vacuum, you can argue Melo is a better player.
Its just a lot of upheaval. They would have to play a different style if they bring in Carmelo Anthony. But can you envision them against Golden State? Kyrie, LeBron, J.R. Smith, Carmelo Anthony and Tristan Thompson? I mean, now Durant or Draymond has to guard Melo and LeBron. You know what I mean? One of those guys is going to get a little bit of a break against Love. They wouldnt get a break against Melo.
I dont want to sound like something Im pushing it, because Im really not sure what I would do if I was Cleveland. It just makes it something that I would start to think about now, whereas before it was like, No way.
If Melo is a better matchup (or at least makes it harder to give someone a 'break' defensively), how was it "no way".
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In comment 13360825 EricNY33 said:
Um... what is the relevance to this conversation?
my point was he fucked up from the start, instead of trying to win games he should of just tanked, sell off every part of that team and tanked..
instead he tried to win games while also cutting salary
Um... he traded Randolph for Cuttino Mobley (who had a heart condition) and Tim "I Have No Heart" Thomas and Crawford for Al Harrington. How is that trying to win? Those guys all were lesser players than what he gave up. The deal I didn't like was the McGrady deal. That one was just silly.
so then why not go all out and tank instead of bringing in a guy like Duhon? Why not subsequently move a guy like Harrington to a contender?
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We had to clear every big salary from the books and not take back any salary into the 2010 season and every single team in the NBA knew exactly what we needed to do. You are trading from a position of weakness when there weren't a lot of teams knocking down the door for the guys that we had. Zach Randolph was a joke with the knicks, literally.
this is just dumb. Walsh unloaded Zach in the fall of 2008 - basically 20 months before Lebron became a free agent. There was no rush - and no need to just dump them the first chance a team offered up expirings for him.
There's a shocking stance!
At the time, without rewriting history and knowing the future, Randolph was considered an albatross and we needed to clear him. My guess is Walsh feared we wouldn't be able to move him for expirings if the didn't do it asap. Randolph was not viewed as a player anyone wanted when he was with the Knicks.
something tells me you don't know dick about how Randolph was viewed at the time. It's amazing how much of a pass you give lousy Knick GMs. It's like Marc Berman taught you everything you know.
i am not saying love is a better player bit for the cavs vs warriors melo is a better fit because he can play next to thompson
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a better player than Love? That's ludicrous.
i am not saying love is a better player bit for the cavs vs warriors melo is a better fit because he can play next to thompson
that should say i am not saying melo is a better player
I think in real life Melo is better. Love shoots 43% as the #3 option with a very good PG and one of the 10 greatest players ever (and a great passer) getting him looks. I struggle to conceive of what Love does better than Melo outside of rebounding.
Cant evaluate them in a vacuum. Melo likely becomes more efficient on CLE and Love likely becomes less efficient in NY (there is a counter argument that he and LeBron dont fit correctly due to where they like to shoot from).
You dont give yourself enough credit!!! haha
Why argue with him? You know he is going to say the same things about whoever he dislikes time and time and time and time again.
wow, good one. Maybe shoot for not being completely lost when it comes to the NBA? It's amazing how often you need to be corrected.